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well said Cal. Smurks Owned :lol:
I have heard that RAM is yelling for support to BH :icon_biggrin:
I have heard that RAM is yelling for support to BH :icon_biggrin:
You know how to make cookie r2?
Is ur wife using you more at making cookies than for other things?
The BH-RAM "alliance":Thank you 0.50'' for admitting of its existence - even by denying it to be one. At least that was the expectations by the RAM side. Too bad they never understood what it was all about. Their role playing as BH's meatshields. They fit it just right. BH did the right thing allowing them to be such. At least that is how I see it.
I do not believe that I have ever denied that we had an agreement with them. The only thing I have denied and repeatedly try to clear up is the type of agreement. Everyone knew we had a NAP with them but many tried to make it more then what is was. We chose to quit firing on them if they quit firing on us. A true definition of a NAP. That way both of us could then fire on Phoenx. That was all that was spoken with them, clear and cut.
Had we continued to fight HG, while engaging with Phoenx, then their downfall would have been even quicker. Since we did not have to fight them, it gave us better position to fight phoenx. Yes they still had a couple players who are not bad but there are others who as in all tribes just linger doing nothing. There are some as in all tribes who after years of playing still do not understand the concept of this type of war game and what is needed to play it. Nothing against them as it is just a game and one we should have fun, win or lose.
The term meat shields I guess if you want to use, you can for your posts or interpretation of the events. In reality though a meat shield is used to keep the fight away from another party. Since we cannot make phoenx attack anyone then this term is not relevant. HG also does not block Phoenx's path to our borders. We did not sit back while HG and Phoenx were fighting and have been fighting Phoenx since day 1 of our war.
ram/hg days were over long before this war even started, now all that remains is the main attraction of BH/BH. versus Phloen
You are correct, there have been a couple players who took it upon themselves to try and help even more then just our advice. That number is small and at no time was there ever any order from BH leadership to send support nor not to send support. Just as there was support sent form phoenx to loen when you were still in BH remember?? Did that constitute phoenx and loen having a full scale alliance. According to paj, it was just a couple players who felt friendly, just a NAP and nothing more.
I can guarantee you though that those who tried to help HG with troops were a small minority and you nor anyone else can or will find any large scale defense of any HG account or villages. If there was, then HG would not be prancing about yelling about how we left them to die. A story that somehow irritates me cause of what I know and what they agreed to.:icon_neutral:
Who asked HG for their nukes?
If is something BH has its the nukes
Your memory is not very effective neither smurks. You all were asking for thousands of villages of defense. That was and has been the biggest load of crap I have ever seen in all my TW's experience. Hence why I posted some advice for you to follow so that you all could better manage how you used and deployed your own troops. We shared only a NAP with you all and nothing more. Some of you had the impression we were BFF and that simply was not the case. You know damn well and it has been posted many times that we only agreed to stop hostilities against HG only because you all claimed you were going to fight Phoenx. There was nothing more to our agreement but that!! We shared a forum in hopes you could learn from our advice but all we ever received from you and others was name trashing cause you were losing villages and we were not pouring in support.
Make sure and remember this on the next world you play on.....You do not support every single village you own along a front line. If you can't figure out how to manage and fight along the front then it is not the best place for you. Not picking on you just for that cause not everyone is cut out to be a front line account. Some players can handle the pressure while others fold their hand and give up.
Do not come here though proclaiming how great you would have been had BH moved all there defense to cover every single one of your villages. No tribe would be so stupid to do that.
@r2....With all that being said, I think it is safe to say you can recalculate about him ever being in a BH account. I would say though keep watch in your area as Phoenx has been hugging it up with anyone to take over accounts. Maybe you 2 will become BFF's:icon_eek::icon_eek::icon_eek::icon_eek:
However even if it is not believed, the idea still stands?
Is that going above a "standard" NAP idea?
It can be denied either way (though it is true), but if denied..Is the idea still correct?
What is this a Philosophy class? These are ridiculous arguments, here ARE the FACTS of the world or at least this TW world.
-If there is no proof there is not real
-Just because things are X Y and Z, do not mean they are true.
-Just because something CAN be occurring, does not mean it is.
- God is real, prove it, God isn't real, prove it.
you're doing circular arguments. You have nobody to persuade, nobody to impress, nobody to dethrone. Our opinions of each-other are fairly set & determined. Subject to change, perhaps. But, for the most part, I think what you think of Paj and what I or someone else thinks of Paj will not be changing in either direction.. Just because you have a problem with C and D.
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Do you consider BH requesting HG nukes the same type of agreement?
To me that much more appears, "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" rather than just a standard, "you don't shoot me I don't shoot you."
I maybe perhaps be wrong in that though? Nuke requests may not be entirely significant?
And I find it very funny that you all in BH feel the need to give advise. Maybe you guys need to take advise from HG, LOEN, and PHNX for advise. They dominate the OD top ten. I don't care how many top 20 spots you hold. OD speaks loads more than points. Especially hen you have 1.2 BILLION OD.
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u gave urself the answer
So you can request HG nukes and help with ops, but they can't request support when they absolutely need it?
And I find it very funny that you all in BH feel the need to give advise. Maybe you guys need to take advise from HG, LOEN, and PHNX for advise. They dominate the OD top ten. I don't care how many top 20 spots you hold. OD speaks loads more than points. Especially hen you have 1.2 BILLION OD.
Sad to see you both go. But I know where to find all my big brothers and sisters from RAM when I need them .
IF you're insisting on those values, then you should be knowledgeable of where/who your players requested nukes from.Sorry we have never told them where to send there nukes. Our fronts and there fronts are 2 different entities and would have served no purpose. Truth be known even further is the fact that those left in HG did not have much left to work with anyway. Everyone should remember that before this war between BH and phoenx started, HG/RAM was being hammered by BH and phoenx. They were decimated and never fully recovered. So try to spin it anyway you want, I have explained it and that is that.
So you find it funny that we would give advice, why is that??? I find it funny that you refer to stats that compile the whole server, not just the war between BH and Phoenx. ODA is a funny stat that can be bloated with barbs and inactive accounts. So using stats from the entire server does not justify nor give full account to what is happening in the war between BH and phoenx. I wil give you a run down though since you are trying to skewer something here.....
BH/BH. ODA versus Phoenx......448 million plus
Phoenx ODA versus BH/BH.......250 million plus
As you see we have been fighting Phoenx and killing their troops as any tribe would want to do in a war. We did not give advice to HG to try and appear better or make them look unintelligent, like you have made yourself out to be. If you fully understood one of my post, then you would have noticed that HG and certain members of that group wanted every single village along a front to be supported with 10 or more defensive villages. Maybe that is your strategy to???? So advice was given on an easier way to defend their clusters. I do not see anything wrong with that and nor do I see it trying to belittle them like you are trying to spin this. They chose to complain instead of even trying.
I know this is the PnP and its purpose is to send up smoke and bells but at this stage of the game, what purpose is there left? Everyone still around knows what is true and what is not. No matter how it is spun or turned we all know. So maybe let's finish the world and just be honest about it. At least then maybe we can put some fun back in to it, instead of all this he said she said crap. So the truth out there now is plain and simple......
It is BH/BH. versus Phloen for the title, period.
I don't need to hide on PM in order to answer that question for you and I read your pm to me and saw the same message that was posted in the shared forum with HG. You see that is how facts get turned into fiction around here. someone post something and then someone like you tries to spin it in order to try and create a story that does not exist. The story that you all are still attempting to exploit is whether we had a bigger alliance with HG then a NAP as it has been reported. The answer is no, again.
The message you sent me originated with HG asking where would be best place to hit. The hottest zone right now is K-55. So that is what they were told. If they launched, would it had helped us?? not really. Would it had helped them?? not really. Did we coordinate on times and villages to hit??, no.
So yes once again I will deny that we had anything larger then a NAP with HG. I can also say that if members of HG and even smurks himself will come here and be as honest, they will concur that there was not any coordinated operations involving BH and HG against phoenx or loen.
Once more...This elusive alliance is indifferent, to the reality of the war that HG were mere meatshields as a NAP in either case. I am not understanding the significance of OTHER people accusing this alliance to have taken place. I am saying your definition of NAP is skewed by occurrences that happened during it.One other thing to point out to you as you hunt for this elusive alliance you so much want to prove. If BH had a larger agreement with HG, our group would have most certainly supported HG members with some defense in greater mass. Even Paj himself knows that once we commit to something we hold the line and do what we can. We supported Paj and a couple other phoenx players when we entered the ram war. Why did we do this?? Because we had a full alliance and it was something that was discussed prior to our entering. As many have said before including me, nothing else matters anymore. The war is on versus BH and phloen...The winner will most likely be the winner of the world and good luck to both sides.
The message you sent me originated with HG asking where would be best place to hit. The hottest zone right now is K-55. So that is what they were told. If they launched, would it had helped us?? not really. Would it had helped them?? not really. Did we coordinate on times and villages to hit??,