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Yeah it is better...

BTW, health care systems don't cause nations to go bankrupt, the people running them do :icon_rolleyes:

Actually a government run healthcare system does make it go bankrupt. It's the reason why Australia has been trying for years to change it, and why most of Europe are in financial crisis. :icon_neutral: And Canada isn't all that far from it either.

I'm not even kidding, go look it up.

The taxes that come with healthcare bankrupts people.
Higher taxes, through out history have proven without fail to do this. It makes it so citizens aren't spending as much, they aren't putting their money back into the economy so it crashes. They bogard it for times when they need it "most", for fear of another big tax. It's one of the reasons why Americans have been so against taxes, and yet we repeat the mistake. Every-time a new big tax hits, our economy goes to hell. We get rid of the tax, recover, make a new tax, etc.

It's a cycle because people like you forget the past. Not saying it's YOUR fault, just saying it's the people who believe that. Which happens to be almost 100% of liberals. I find them keep trying to do something that has proven not to work, over and over again....not saying Republicans are much better...though most of them are more Liberal now a days anyway...

And while I'm on this rant, I'll also say this. I love, and I mean LOVE how the media is saying, "if you don't get insurance you'll die!" That is hilarious to me since it's the most blatant bullshit thing to say I've ever heard. If that were true..well needless to say I'd be dead. I've never had, and never will have health insurance. I've had three major surgeries in my life, I'm poor, we paid in installments. (Yes, that is an option. You can't be refused treatment here, unless you refuse to pay. In that case, you're the moron. And then you go to jail for fraud. Keep in mind, you still get the healthcare though. So that's a blatant lie that they can refuse you. They can not, by law, send you away from an ER. )

Tell me, how is this bad? How is paying your doctor for his services somehow, unjust? Should we not pay fastfood restaurants? Should we not pay grocery stores?
It's the EXACT same thing. They are all business. You pay for service. I honestly don't see how people find this thinking as revolutionary. And it's hilarious how people think making millions of others suffer by imposing a tax just so your kid can get his booboo checked, after waiting a week, is better. It's just hilarious, there is no other word for it.

What gets me most is people think this is a "progressive" idea, when it's taking a step backwards in our past, making past mistakes...

Hate what I said, despise me if you like. Everything I have said is indeed factual. If you don't think so then look it up, I assume you have internet access if you're reading it and all you need to know is online. All I ask is for people to educate themselves. There's a reason why Obama's approval ratings have plummeted and why over 80% of Americans don't want this to pass, despite our representatives being bought off. (Why aren't they being impeached?)

This has been Seth Miodane, cheers.

 

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Some would, but more would say the American system is in shambles...

Last time i checked every single poll in America has the majority of Americans disapproving of Government run health care even the most liberal of them, yes it isnt the greatest but its sure a hell of a lot better than what the Left wing is trying to do.

Why do you think they do all of there planning behind closed doors and dont want people to read there bills there trying to pass? Because its so full of loopholes because these big wigs are buying out the system when its government run to line there pockets...

Considering that they had to buy off 2 senators to get the bill passed though the initial hearing shows evidence of that.

The Price of gold, which is what the dollar is based on has skyrocketed because of Obama's rapid inflation. What did he print to fund his social programs, 3 trillion dollars?

If anything these government run programs that are making our currency worthless are diminishing our economy and making the entire world economy suffer because the dollar is suffering and currently that is what the world eco is based off of. But Obama knows that anyways, they're is always an agenda. Obama isn't the puppet master, he's just another puppet on the string of a global conglomerate who stands to make profit from this all.

 

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80% of Americans don't want this to pass, despite our representatives being bought off. (Why aren't they being impeached?)

When i and many other men raised our hand and swore an oath upon the flag we swore on our lives to protect the constitution of the United States from all enemies, Foreign and DOMESTIC. As far as im concerned what the democrats are going to be doing soon here is nothing short of UN-constitutional. They think they can do whatever the hell they want with it because they were elected into office and can amend it as they please. Health care isnt the only thing they have on there agenda they have also talked about cap and trade which will help the government to regulate your businesses even further. What ever happened to the land of the Free?

I guess thats a dead concept isnt it?

But yes, when ms. pelowski and mr. reed think they can do whatever the hell they want there wrong. If some parts of this bill pass such as government run public option. (in which it is illegal for the federal government to regulate trade between states currently) they would be violating the very document they swore to uphold and im sure others like me would take up arm to protect it, Trust me, it will come to more than just words if they desecrate what numerous generations of men have defended and given there lives for.

As you can see what is going on in Washington raises my blood pressure just a wee bit..


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And yet Australia, another country with socialized healthcare has been trying for ten whole years now to get rid of it since it's made their government bankrupt. Just like it's been doing to most of Europe. :|

You think sitting on wait for weeks on end + bankrupt economy is good, then fine. Just admit that part and stick to it in your country.

I could care less. It's the same with religion. Believe what you want, just don't press it on me if I see something as better. :icon_confused:

@ Azaz129: That's because he's awesome. I'm 5b on there.

Wrong. Australia was well in the green before the global financial crisis. We only went into serious debt when the new government (labor) went into power and screwed everything up.:icon_neutral:

 

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Wrong. Australia was well in the green before the global financial crisis. We only went into serious debt when the new government (labor) went into power and screwed everything up.:icon_neutral:

So, let me get this straight. They were well into the green before the crisis hit, and have been working for the past 10 years to get rid of it. Which means even though they were in the green, some Australians saw that it would make them bankrupt.

And this, new government? This happened within the last 2 or so years? :icon_neutral: After all, that's around the time the "global Crises" as you put it happened. (despite it not affecting many countries, only those that depend on the US.)

Okay, cite that for me. I'd love to read up on that.

 

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Charitable Hospitals would hae solved the healthcare problem.. Too bad they dont exist..

 

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They do exist, they are just few and far inbetween.

 

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Obama and a few others can do what ever the hell they want, they basicly tell the whole U.N what to do anyway

 

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That's why many people, including me, see the U.N. as a joke.. Not a joke as in, "look at all those pathetic people", but more as, "it's pointless."

 

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Actually a government run healthcare system does make it go bankrupt. It's the reason why Australia has been trying for years to change it, and why most of Europe are in financial crisis. :icon_neutral: And Canada isn't all that far from it either.

I'm not even kidding, go look it up.

The taxes that come with healthcare bankrupts people.
Higher taxes, through out history have proven without fail to do this. It makes it so citizens aren't spending as much, they aren't putting their money back into the economy so it crashes. They bogard it for times when they need it "most", for fear of another big tax. It's one of the reasons why Americans have been so against taxes, and yet we repeat the mistake. Every-time a new big tax hits, our economy goes to hell. We get rid of the tax, recover, make a new tax, etc.

It's a cycle because people like you forget the past. Not saying it's YOUR fault, just saying it's the people who believe that. Which happens to be almost 100% of liberals. I find them keep trying to do something that has proven not to work, over and over again....not saying Republicans are much better...though most of them are more Liberal now a days anyway...

And while I'm on this rant, I'll also say this. I love, and I mean LOVE how the media is saying, "if you don't get insurance you'll die!" That is hilarious to me since it's the most blatant bullshit thing to say I've ever heard. If that were true..well needless to say I'd be dead. I've never had, and never will have health insurance. I've had three major surgeries in my life, I'm poor, we paid in installments. (Yes, that is an option. You can't be refused treatment here, unless you refuse to pay. In that case, you're the moron. And then you go to jail for fraud. Keep in mind, you still get the healthcare though. So that's a blatant lie that they can refuse you. They can not, by law, send you away from an ER. )

Tell me, how is this bad? How is paying your doctor for his services somehow, unjust? Should we not pay fastfood restaurants? Should we not pay grocery stores?
It's the EXACT same thing. They are all business. You pay for service. I honestly don't see how people find this thinking as revolutionary. And it's hilarious how people think making millions of others suffer by imposing a tax just so your kid can get his booboo checked, after waiting a week, is better. It's just hilarious, there is no other word for it.

What gets me most is people think this is a "progressive" idea, when it's taking a step backwards in our past, making past mistakes...

Hate what I said, despise me if you like. Everything I have said is indeed factual. If you don't think so then look it up, I assume you have internet access if you're reading it and all you need to know is online. All I ask is for people to educate themselves. There's a reason why Obama's approval ratings have plummeted and why over 80% of Americans don't want this to pass, despite our representatives being bought off. (Why aren't they being impeached?)

This has been Seth Miodane, cheers.

ok lets tear this apart just for fun sorry i love debating and when i read this i acully laughed at all the holes in it. btw seth i love ya i think your smart and dont take offese. i just like to debtae. if i thought you were dumb i would not waste my time.

why most of Europe are in financial crisis. :icon_neutral: And Canada isn't all that far from it either.

this is do to the final crisis in the usa, 100% the USA's falt. I find it weird you would use a ecomic problem that the usa had as the foundation of most of your agument. seeing as the usa is the only place really that doest have health care that is a rich countryand it was the frist to crash and the reason everyone else crashed. this one fact is a huge hint that healthcare isnt bad for ecomics and your whole agument is faulse.

Every-time a new big tax hits, our economy goes to hell. We get rid of the tax, recover, make a new tax, etc.

your making this sound like a stable parren. firstly its often not true. seconly largly i find that this trend is acully in reverse and people dont relize it. taxes are low then ecomy goes to hell and as that happens the govemnt raises raise texes to fix it. then people see raising taxes and bad ecomy and think its the taxes that are doing it even though ecomic prombles came up long before.

It's a cycle because people like you forget the past. Not saying it's YOUR fault, just saying it's the people who believe that. Which happens to be almost 100% of liberals. I find them keep trying to do something that has proven not to work, over and over again....not saying Republicans are much better...though most of them are more Liberal now a days anyway...

this is a really odd statment becuse when right wings come into power i find its way more common for there to be economic problems. but your right people have short memories.

Higher taxes, through out history have proven without fail to do this. It makes it so citizens aren't spending as much, they aren't putting their money back into the economy so it crashes.

this is my favoirt quote becuse it just shows how cofused you are. but its neat beucse a lot of people will read it not think and just go with it. i hear stuff like this all the time becuse after people read it they will repete it spreading it around more. ok so indstead of just noding our heads lets think about what your saying.

higher texes means the goverment is spending more. goverments often create good jobs and pay contracters and spend money boosting the ecomy. but more impornt the money is staying in the country and not sitting in far away places. do you think when you pay texes the money magicly disapeear? no the goverment spends it. but your talking about saving. this wasnt your point anyways. but i just wana point this out or my exmple might confuze people. your point was about saving.

if joe has 10 dollors a month he is going to spend 8 dollors for living and save 2. meaning 20% is being token outa the ecomy.

then texes are raised. now joe after taxes has 8 dollors a month. so your acully sayiing he will put 3 dollors away (more then before) and only live off 5.

without taxes: 8 dollors living
with taxes : 5 dollors living

think about that. now add in the fact that that acording to your logic taxes are a strange hold on the ecomy so inflation will happen. soo spending 5 dollors is more like worht 4 or 3 with taxation....

so you really honestly think he is going to put those 3 dollors away a month vs the 2 without. no he is going to spend more. having half as much money doesnt mean your bank acout will grow faster he has less money! that is extreamly illoigal.

i think you mixed up a valid point into your agument. the thing your mixing up is in unsure times you will save more. like if there is a good chance you will get laid off. but this has nothing to do with helthcare. alough it has to do with ecomic promlmes something you havnt tide to healthcare.

ok just for fun let me give a shot at taking your confuzed untrue point and see if i can prove the oppist

without free healthcare people will save more becuse if they break a leg if they have no savings there screwed were is if its free they wont need to save. so they will spend more making the ecomy stronger. there are dozens of examles like this that defend taxation in genral

I've never had, and never will have health insurance. I've had three major surgeries in my life, I'm poor, we paid in installments.

ty your acully make healthcare sound great. having to pay in insallments makes that sound really expesive. i dont wana have to worry about that when im sick. and i dont think most people would.

They can not, by law, send you away from an ER.

there is a lot more to heathcare the ER visits. also in the long run it can be a lot cheper for the system if people go to dr when they are sorta sick before the ER is requried. without healthcare not only are people sicker becuse they will avoid dr. the healthcare system is less effective. meaning more money has to be pumpbed into it. but its the idvulas that have to do that vs the goverment so you dont notice.

Tell me, how is this bad? How is paying your doctor for his services somehow, unjust? Should we not pay fastfood restaurants? Should we not pay grocery stores?
It's the EXACT same thing. They are all business. You pay for service. I honestly don't see how people find this thinking as revolutionary.

some things should be public and some things should not. Your turing this into a fastfood vs healthcare. if your really going to waste all our time and write about that then i will waste everones time and talk about privte police.. i mean i dont think you agree with privite police but if your going to avoid a real healthcare agument and talk about pubic fast food then i wiilll avoid your agument and lets lake about privite poice for a min. same thing right they do a service you should pay for it.

please note that by the nature of your agument your not for contracted out police. your for if you need there help you should pay them.

so if you had something stolen from you or you had someone beat you or just valdise your poperty you would have to pay. and mabye they would let you go a payment instument for a few mil if someone with a gun came into your house (or better yet your privite busness we know how your thinking about ecomincs and the strain on bussennss). i think im making my point on this

imposing a tax just so your kid can get his booboo checked

wow....... do you have any idea what it would be like for your small child to be sick and you cant aford to check. i mean kids get hurt a lot and some need medicine. you really wana deny them that? do you have any idea what that would be like for a parent. do you wana just let there kid get sick and mabye leading to prement prombelms. or mabye when stuff got really bad they could go to the ER but by then it would be to late. but i mean again even the ER vist going to cost money you can just wait a bit longer to pay.

this is besides the point. the usa already has programs in place for poor parents and there kids. and texes are already paying for it. idk. it just seemed like a odd thing for you to bring up. and i took a little offece to it becuse your talking about it like you would wana take that away that impornat service. the idea of that breaks my heart. there is a personal story in hear for me so that little comment made me take a little more offense then i shoulda i guess.

There's a reason why Obama's approval ratings have plummeted and why over 80% of Americans don't want this to pass, despite our representatives being bought off. (Why aren't they being impeached?)

i would agree that a lot of americans dont want healthcare. but that doesnt mean its not a bad idea. magority does not equal right. the classic example of this is most people thought the world was flat at one time. so was it? alough i will admite thats this is a bad expamle. a better one would be magority of americns were in favor of there 2 wars at the time they were started. now im not going to open up the door for that talk and i wont say either way if they were right or wrong but i really really dont think you can say that those wars were right just cause most people agreed to them at the time. way more is going on then that and i think pubic opions had little to nothing to do with the moral vaule of those wars.

as far as being impeached. goverment systems are in place acully so that leaders can make unpoplur but right distions. thats why instead of the goverment passing out blackberrys and every day everyone gets asked the questin of the day like should bill whatever be passed you let your leaders choice. so impeching is just silly at this point. unless you can find something crimal about what he is doing. and that is something you havnt touched on. so again i find it a odd commnet kinda outa no were.

sorry for the long talk. i wonder if a single person will read this whole thing i dont really care i liked writing it.

 

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ok lets tear this apart just for fun sorry i love debating and when i read this i acully laughed at all the holes in it. btw seth i love ya i think your smart and dont take offese. i just like to debtae. if i thought you were dumb i would not waste my time.

this is do to the final crisis in the usa, 100% the USA's falt. I find it weird you would use a ecomic problem that the usa had as the foundation of most of your agument. seeing as the usa is the only place really that doest have health care that is a rich countryand it was the frist to crash and the reason everyone else crashed. this one fact is a huge hint that healthcare isnt bad for ecomics and your whole agument is faulse.

It actually isn't 100% the USA's fault. It's the leaders of the businessmen that failed, and the ONLY reason other countries were hurt is because you are dependent on the USA. That is their fault, not ours in any way. We don't MAKE them dependent on us, they choose to be.

your making this sound like a stable parren. firstly its often not true. seconly largly i find that this trend is acully in reverse and people dont relize it. taxes are low then ecomy goes to hell and as that happens the govemnt raises raise texes to fix it. then people see raising taxes and bad ecomy and think its the taxes that are doing it even though ecomic prombles came up long before.

When the government raises taxes to "fix" something they throw the money away. It has never worked and we are seeing it again! The companies that got the "bailout" haven't even spent 30% of that, but instead are giving their higher ups, bonuses. And the taxes that come with this make small business go out of business, making more people un-employed. And you can't argue with that seeing as where I live had the largest industrial plant in the whole US and now over 50% of those workers are un-employed thanks to the taxes Obama imposed right as he entered office.

this is a really odd statment becuse when right wings come into power i find its way more common for there to be economic problems. but your right people have short memories.

I love when liberals try and do this. Despite it being a blatant lie.

I'm guessing your example would be Clinton, correct?

Well if you'd do any research into it what so ever Bill Clinton profited off the institutions Bush Senior put in place. Clinton didn't do a thing to boost the economy.

this is my favoirt quote becuse it just shows how cofused you are. but its neat beucse a lot of people will read it not think and just go with it. i hear stuff like this all the time becuse after people read it they will repete it spreading it around more. ok so indstead of just noding our heads lets think about what your saying.

higher texes means the goverment is spending more. goverments often create good jobs and pay contracters and spend money boosting the ecomy. but more impornt the money is staying in the country and not sitting in far away places. do you think when you pay texes the money magicly disapeear? no the goverment spends it. but your talking about saving. this wasnt your point anyways. but i just wana point this out or my exmple might confuze people. your point was about saving.

And a mistake already. As I've already pointed out the government has NEVER been good at making jobs for people. As for the money "disappearing", yes, a LOT of it has proven to be pocketed. On average (you can find this pretty much anywhere.) The US citizen gets around 70% back of what he puts into State government and only around 50% in the federal government. That pretty much disproves your point right there.

if joe has 10 dollors a month he is going to spend 8 dollors for living and save 2. meaning 20% is being token outa the ecomy.

then texes are raised. now joe after taxes has 8 dollors a month. so your acully sayiing he will put 3 dollors away (more then before) and only live off 5.

without taxes: 8 dollors living
with taxes : 5 dollors living

think about that. now add in the fact that that acording to your logic taxes are a strange hold on the ecomy so inflation will happen. soo spending 5 dollors is more like worht 4 or 3 with taxation....

Yes, I am saying he'll put 3 dollars away and live off 5. Did you not learn anything from history during the great depression?? People used to BURY their money in their backyard in case it got any worse. History has proven that people spend less when the economy goes down. And having to pay that much more in taxes doesn't help a thing.

so you really honestly think he is going to put those 3 dollors away a month vs the 2 without. no he is going to spend more. having half as much money doesnt mean your bank acout will grow faster he has less money! that is extreamly illoigal.

Actually this post is illogical...In depressions most people are less likely to use banks and keep their money at home somewhere. It doesn't circulate in the economy, it stays stagnant and makes things worse.

i think you mixed up a valid point into your agument. the thing your mixing up is in unsure times you will save more. like if there is a good chance you will get laid off. but this has nothing to do with helthcare. alough it has to do with ecomic promlmes something you havnt tide to healthcare.

I'm pretty sure I did...Considering that helthcare will tax Millions of people, draining our money that could go into the economy, to help a Minority of people.

ty your acully make healthcare sound great. having to pay in insallments makes that sound really expesive. i dont wana have to worry about that when im sick. and i dont think most people would.

You're right, most people wouldn't. Most people also ignorantly think they are entitled to good healthcare, which is wrong. It is a business, you have to pay. And despite your unwillingness to pay, you can't make others pay for you. That in its self is unjust.

Installments or not, poor people can afford healthcare without health insurance. So this "public option" bullshit is just another way to drain our economy through taxes. :icon_neutral:

there is a lot more to heathcare the ER visits. also in the long run it can be a lot cheper for the system if people go to dr when they are sorta sick before the ER is requried. without healthcare not only are people sicker becuse they will avoid dr. the healthcare system is less effective. meaning more money has to be pumpbed into it. but its the idvulas that have to do that vs the goverment so you dont notice.

My point was they can get healthcare, but most Liberals try and make them think they can't.

As for Doctor visits, funny. Again, I'm poor, my family has been in debt most of my life. And yet I've managed to see a doctor regularly, and obviously I'm still alive. :icon_eek:

The only people who avoid healthcare and get sicker are the ignorant people who are scared and "think" they can't afford it, which is greatly untrue.

some things should be public and some things should not. Your turing this into a fastfood vs healthcare. if your really going to waste all our time and write about that then i will waste everones time and talk about privte police.. i mean i dont think you agree with privite police but if your going to avoid a real healthcare agument and talk about pubic fast food then i wiilll avoid your agument and lets lake about privite poice for a min. same thing right they do a service you should pay for it.

please note that by the nature of your agument your not for contracted out police. your for if you need there help you should pay them.

so if you had something stolen from you or you had someone beat you or just valdise your poperty you would have to pay. and mabye they would let you go a payment instument for a few mil if someone with a gun came into your house (or better yet your privite busness we know how your thinking about ecomincs and the strain on bussennss). i think im making my point on this

They only things that "should" be public is a police force and the military. Other than that it is, in fact, breaking the law.

Public schools, Public libraries, Fire Fighters, etc. They are ALL government/tax funded MONOPOLIES. Something our government supposedly "doesn't allow."

A private business has shown many times over it is more affective.

Again, you're surprised you have to pay for a service? Not paying is slavery. :icon_neutral: Last I knew, the US and most of the world was against slavery. The only real point you made is you'd rather millions of tax payers help save you, than you. That's nothing short of selfish. You pass the suffering off onto others. Though that's what this has all been about in the first place.

wow....... do you have any idea what it would be like for your small child to be sick and you cant aford to check. i mean kids get hurt a lot and some need medicine. you really wana deny them that? do you have any idea what that would be like for a parent. do you wana just let there kid get sick and mabye leading to prement prombelms. or mabye when stuff got really bad they could go to the ER but by then it would be to late. but i mean again even the ER vist going to cost money you can just wait a bit longer to pay.

First off this is a tangent and a Strawman all in one...

My Niece actually has the Flu right now, she's not even two years old and yes she is getting medicine and will make it through. Medicine isn't costly...I fail to see how $100 to save your kids life is a hard decision, or unfair in any way.

You're just making up excuses now for people to sit home and die. For anyone who does, I don't feel one bit sorry for. It's their own ignorance on healthcare that makes them do this.

this is besides the point. the usa already has programs in place for poor parents and there kids. and texes are already paying for it. idk. it just seemed like a odd thing for you to bring up. and i took a little offece to it becuse your talking about it like you would wana take that away that impornat service. the idea of that breaks my heart. there is a personal story in hear for me so that little comment made me take a little more offense then i shoulda i guess.

I, actually, and all for taking Medicare and Medicade away. Though, on an emotional point I'm against myself in this. Logic only shows how these are harmful, and that people should not be allowed to leech off the system, only hurting others as they go.

Emotion has no place in government. Logic, facts, and reason do. All these point to, "You can't MAKE others pay for you to live. You may ask through charity, but forcing is against any logic."

i would agree that a lot of americans dont want healthcare. but that doesnt mean its not a bad idea. magority does not equal right. the classic example of this is most people thought the world was flat at one time. so was it? alough i will admite thats this is a bad expamle. a better one would be magority of americns were in favor of there 2 wars at the time they were started. now im not going to open up the door for that talk and i wont say either way if they were right or wrong but i really really dont think you can say that those wars were right just cause most people agreed to them at the time. way more is going on then that and i think pubic opions had little to nothing to do with the moral vaule of those wars.

Too bad USA is Majority rule, be it for better or for worse. It's the best system in place to date, and I wont revert back to "the rich and powerful only get their say."

Actually you'll find, anyway, most Americans were NOT in favor of those two wars. They two wars Americans wanted was against Iran and Saudi Arabia. The two countries where the terrorists came from. Iraq was a personal Agenda since Bush Senior kind of helped him get into power.

as far as being impeached. goverment systems are in place acully so that leaders can make unpoplur but right distions. thats why instead of the goverment passing out blackberrys and every day everyone gets asked the questin of the day like should bill whatever be passed you let your leaders choice. so impeching is just silly at this point. unless you can find something crimal about what he is doing. and that is something you havnt touched on. so again i find it a odd commnet kinda outa no were.

sorry for the long talk. i wonder if a single person will read this whole thing i dont really care i liked writing it.

Find something criminal? BRIBES are against the law. And it's oh so obvious that they are buying votes. Liberals and Conservatives both say this. You can be impeached for bribery. And that's what I'm talking about. I don't care about impeaching Obama, he'll be gone next election anyway.

I touched on it, you took it the wrong way.

>.> I'm a volatile debater, but don't take offense. I'm just getting started.

 

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nice seth i liked your response and thanks for it. i will respnd to stuff mabye another day. as you can see i cant write to so good so this is acully taking a lot outa me so i wont repond right now. so you have this round.

 

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No problem, anytime. I'll check back often.

lol...I have a politics class in like...17min anyway.

 

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As you can see the invasion of European style politics raises the American blood pressure a bit

 

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As you can see the invasion of European style politics raises the American blood pressure a bit

Well there is a reason why we are viewed as better. :icon_surprised:

And in all reality, if you live in the US and want this kind of healthcare. It's not hard to move. :icon_confused:

 

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Last time i checked every single poll in America has the majority of Americans disapproving of Government run health care even the most liberal of them, yes it isnt the greatest but its sure a hell of a lot better than what the Left wing is trying to do.

I don't blame them..
I wouldn't want the American government to run my health care system either...

without free healthcare people will save more becuse if they break a leg if they have no savings there screwed were is if its free they wont need to save. so they will spend more making the ecomy stronger. there are dozens of examles like this that defend taxation in genral

Whether or not health care is free, a guy should still have an insurance plan for things like sicknesses and injuries so you can still pay your bills; mortgage, utilities, internet, fuel, when you are out of work.

this is besides the point. the usa already has programs in place for poor parents and there kids.

It is unfortunate that the US doesn't believe in preventative medicine/care(screening tests) which is much more cost efficient then waiting for issues to become serious problems which require in many cases surgery followed by extended hospital stays...
We had a recession?

Damn, I must be in the right industry...
All I noticed is that many of the crap workers were weeded out of the oilfield :icon_redface:

 

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Thats why we have people from all over the world come here for the most serious problems?

Keep your government run economy north of the border


Our leader has been dabbling in it for the last year or so and now we are skyrocketing in deficit. What did he print? 3 trillion dollars? just to fund his stupid stimulous bills and bailouts that created and maintained pretty much less than 1% of the nations economy.

When government spends money obama's way it can only spend it to make more government. The real businesses that benefited from his stimulus were companies that live off government paychecks.

As for the Bailouts.... We all saw how some of those went, Isnt General Motors asking for another one? Gee wouldn't i like a big old loan from the tax payers that i could just go bankrupt on again.

Dont even get me started on the bribes that were given out to get the votes for the health care bill, Democracy is all but dead under a democratic congress, they just buy the vote... (not saying it hasn't been done before by other people but this time its coming right out of the taxpayers wallet for the bribe and on an unprecedented scale)




What the hell ever happened to Survival of the fittest? Its more like the leaches sucking the life out of the lion and the government sponsoring it. If this retard has done anything it has been to promote Bad business and being lazy/sloppy. Because now everyone knows, daddy government will be there to caudal you now and hold you close as soon as you mess up, it makes no incentive for people to actually put more time into making sure there corporation succeeds when they make millions themselves and are set for life, they always got the backdoor policy now. No wonder some of the first people to get bailouts were Obama's Financial supports in his campaign.


Pathetic....



But enough of my Angry speel lol!

Ok i had to comment Obama should not be blamed for bank bailouts if you pay attention and don't follow the crowd you would know bush started the bank bailouts >.> ignorance is bliss.

 

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"Access for all, whether you are rich or poor..." And that's better??

All that does is bankrupt your economy. Then everyone suffers. :icon_neutral:

And as Cope said, most people who can, do come to the US for their helthcare because...well, we're better. We have the best in the world, so sorry you have to actually PAY for services. They need money to feed their kids and pay their bills too, not that you care. :icon_rolleyes:

"Aint no rest for the wicked, money don't grow on trees. I've got bills to pay, I've got mouths to feed, and aint nothing in this world for free." - That's the real world. You might want to learn it...

So what i am getting from this is that screw the poor people without healthcare, as long as the middle class and rich can afford it who cares...

 

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So what i am getting from this is that screw the poor people without healthcare, as long as the middle class and rich can afford it who cares...

I'm poor you twit, and you don't NEED health insurance. That's what I'm saying.

Poor people can afford healthcare just like everyone else. They just want their own "bailout". :icon_rolleyes: It's pitiful when people can't conceive of "working" because they are born poor and see no way out. Those people are nothing short of pathetic. I was born past poor, I was born into debt. So you can see, my standpoint is by far not biased in any way shape or form.

Ok i had to comment Obama should not be blamed for bank bailouts if you pay attention and don't follow the crowd you would know bush started the bank bailouts >.> ignorance is bliss.

Ignorance is bliss indeed.

You see, if you were following like you alluded to. You would know that was a saving throw to try and make himself look somewhat decent. Not to mention it only passed because of the Democratic majority in the house and senate.

Obama was for it as well, therefore he is just as much to blame for it as anyone else who was for it. Same with McCaine, Clinton, etc.

 

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Ok i had to comment Obama should not be blamed for bank bailouts if you pay attention and don't follow the crowd you would know bush started the bank bailouts >.> ignorance is bliss.

LOL, lets see who actually put billions into the failing institutions who oh yea, supported barak Obama's campaign. lol really, ignorance? lets go see who spent how much on failing institutions. The man has spend more money in the history of the world in one year..... one year. Than any man or nation in recorded history. Gee i wonder why his biggest financial campaign supporter committed suicide after the bailout, Corruption to the core?

Looking for a reason to justify obama's failed spending bills is ridiculous and the entire reason he put them out there is to give government more control over private assets, Considering his stimulus did what? seriously what did it do? Fund government contractors? thats about it. Congratulations we now have more people who rely on a government paycheck in the country, i wonder if that was the original purpose of of the stimulus and the second spending bill that came after that, Gee i wonder :icon_rolleyes:.

Why is it that anyone that supports him, there first response is BUSH LOOK AT BUSH! Lol this isnt the Bush presidency and your making the automatic assumption that im a republican/voted for bush. AMERICANS dont care what bush did at this point, we want our country fixed, Obama came in promising hope and change... what did we get? Oh yea the price of gold raised by 40% because of obama printing over 3 trillion dollars to fund his "social programs", the only thing obama has given us is rampant inflation and has made this country less safe. Now even his own moderate democrates are trying not to associate with him and nancy pelosi and harry reed as there liberal socialist agenda has become toxic.

To even prove that point the very capital of liberalism has just fallen to a republican, You have to have some very pissed off voters to see the most liberal state in America vote republican. (Mass. has only 12% registered republican voters, thus meaning independents and democrats came out and voted for scott brown in the masses) and most likely if the democratic senate and house leaders dont see that they have doomed themselves because of the European style idealism they have been trying to force down the throats of Americans, that majority of them will be taken from power by the very people who voted them in. All there crooked back door politics have angered the mainstream Americans.

You dont need to try and segregate me as a conservative or extremest either, go look at all the polls, the majority of Americans feel as i do and it has shown is Mass. We are sick of the BS and we want our country for what it is, a free-market democracy, it has its own short comings but if you let it take its course it will correct itself in time as it is based off survival of the fittest, when you let government throw band-aids on the dying cattle and slowly suck the life out of them with high taxation to fund social economic government run programs you doom that business to fail. So the best thing obama could do it let things bottom out so new blood may take there place and rebuild and not make the same mistakes of there predecessor. But thats not his style Obama was raised on Social Economics (socialism) and will take his ideology to the grave because he feels he is the champion of it for this country.

So please, try not focusing on the past when it is irrelevant to this nations future, we can all turn around and look backwards down the railroad tracks and point the finger of who did what while the freight train crushes us from the other side because we didn't want to accept the past and drive on to fix the future and hold future politicians accountable for there actions.