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=X had a cause

most tribes do not have a cause

causes divide people, but they also unify people, both in deep ways at times
thus, i am hated by some, loved by others, i inspire both extremes

duh :icon_rolleyes:

we tried making this premade with different leadership at start up, but it did not work, the tribe was not true to our cause
i had been asked to lead that premade, but refused
when it did not work, i agreed to start a premade in a future world, but i would only lead for 2 months

our premade thread had thousands of views, our premade had over a hundred applicants, the majority of which were very competent players
but we had 2 things drawing applicants...

1. our cause
2. the promise of a promising tribe

many players, some very famous ones, were interested in joining us, not because of our cause, but because of our promise
those players were not invited to the premade

we began with about 18 mates on 15 accounts spread across 5 k's

we were so impressive in each of the areas where we started that we became the tribe to be
and again we had tons of applicants, the majority of which were very competent players, yet many were drawn by our promise, not our cause

regrettably, it can be hard to distinguish between the 2 when those who could care less about our cause lie to us because of our promise and their desire to be part of that

those who were inspired to join with us because of our success understood we had no diplomacy, we did not mass-recruit, we did not cheat, we did not lie to the leaders of other tribes, yet we had a chance to win

that was all i could do, give them something to believe in, we could do this, yes
i could not make them support our cause, i could not make them have faith
i could give them something to have faith in and give them a chance to be part of it

[spoil][1/3/2012 10:04:29 PM] Sam: I am guessing not everyone in =X joined because they agreed with you and Shah
[1/3/2012 10:04:44 PM] Sam: more likely they thought you looked like a good tribe[/spoil]
wickerman understood what we were about when he merged ODA with =X

we agreed to take a poll for the tribe name, the results would take effect when i stepped down at the new year and appointed new leadership
so we would have new leadership and a new identity

the one thing that would remain was our publicly posted policy which wickerman agreed to uphold
his co did not agree, he joined the account later and had no reason to have faith as he was not around at our start up

[spoil][1/3/2012 8:33:30 PM] al haji rasul al masiha: shahz and i share a common cause
[1/3/2012 8:33:40 PM] al haji rasul al masiha: we are brothers in belief
[1/3/2012 8:33:43 PM] Sam: I know
[1/3/2012 8:33:48 PM] Sam: I don't fully share your belief
[1/3/2012 8:34:02 PM] Sam: I can see the point of it
[1/3/2012 8:34:10 PM] Sam: but the world isn't like that unfortunately
[1/3/2012 8:34:14 PM] Sam: and neither is tribalwars
[1/3/2012 8:34:29 PM] Sam: It is nice to see someone who wanted to try for an ideal though
[1/3/2012 8:34:32 PM] Sam: I do respect that
[1/3/2012 8:34:55 PM] Sam: maybe we disagree because we have a different world view ;)[/spoil]
myself, i think he had never read our tribe profile, cause the people listed did win, though yes, it required great sacrifice...

[spoil][1/3/2012 8:35:41 PM] al haji rasul al masiha: where you come from plays a huge part
[1/3/2012 8:35:56 PM] al haji rasul al masiha: but before i continue, i would remind you of our tribal profile
[1/3/2012 8:36:09 PM] Sam: your tribal profile ;)
[1/3/2012 8:36:16 PM] al haji rasul al masiha: In TW, as in the real world, the masses say...


"Nice guys finish last."

"The good guys never win."

"The righteous never prosper."

=X salutes the very real individuals who have proved these lies (so sacred to the weak) to be exactly that, LIES!


Martin Luther King Jr.
Mohandas Gandhi
Nelson Mandela

Not only did these heros to the entire world win, they did so honorably.

They are indisputably amongst the greatest personages and the most influential personalities the real world has ever witnessed.
[1/3/2012 8:36:56 PM] al haji rasul al masiha: who is more influential? hitler or jesus?
[1/3/2012 8:37:03 PM] al haji rasul al masiha: stalin or mandela?
[1/3/2012 8:37:09 PM] Sam: And they were arrested and shot for what they believed
[1/3/2012 8:37:13 PM] Sam: they are incredible characters
[1/3/2012 8:37:16 PM] al haji rasul al masiha: alexander or mlk?
[1/3/2012 8:37:18 PM] Sam: and they did achieve their goals
[1/3/2012 8:37:23 PM] Sam: but at great sacrifice
[1/3/2012 8:37:45 PM] Sam: how much of =X are you willing to sacrafice to achieve your goal?
[1/3/2012 8:37:54 PM] al haji rasul al masiha: all of it mate
[1/3/2012 8:37:56 PM] al haji rasul al masiha: every bit
[1/3/2012 8:38:03 PM] al haji rasul al masiha: that was the tribe goal
[1/3/2012 8:38:05 PM] Sam: You see I wasn't prepared to be sacrificed by you
[1/3/2012 8:38:10 PM] Sam: and it seems some people agreed
[1/3/2012 8:38:12 PM] al haji rasul al masiha: if there are people in this tribe who do not agree
[1/3/2012 8:38:17 PM] al haji rasul al masiha: why are they here?
[1/3/2012 8:38:20 PM] Sam: exactly
[1/3/2012 8:38:21 PM] al haji rasul al masiha: they are pretending to be us
[1/3/2012 8:38:23 PM] al haji rasul al masiha: but they are not us
[1/3/2012 8:38:25 PM] Sam: I think that is why you have seen a split
[1/3/2012 8:38:32 PM] al haji rasul al masiha: yes
[1/3/2012 8:38:48 PM] Sam: this is possibly a good thing for you :)
[1/3/2012 8:38:59 PM] al haji rasul al masiha: possibly
[/spoil]
a tribe with a cause is a beast of a different breed

i accomplished what i set out to do
i created a tribe that could win without cheating, hugging, mass-recruiting, lying to other tribes' leaderships, betraying their agreements

they did not in fact win

mostly, that was because we were not all playing for the same thing

it had little to do with pita, not to take anything from them, they are the most impressive tribe i have seen in w59 and were the only tribe winning the war, the war itself had little to do with it
it had little to do with the remarkable foolishness of much of kp :lol:
it had little to do with shave's pnp :icon_rolleyes:

i accomplished what i set out to do
i created a tribe that could win without cheating, hugging, mass-recruiting, lying to other tribes' leaderships, betraying their agreements

they did not in fact win

mostly, that was because we were not all playing for the same thing
 
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Yes =X failed, and thats it. It could have been a great tribe, but too much disagreement with you made it fall. It was a nice try.

Good luck where ever you go and play. :)
 

DeletedUser

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OMG another, guys like I said in the other thread,

You know what I would do concerning shahyd, is to just quit posting to his BS. He's already said he is leaving w59, his tribe basically abandoned him, and he has shown us all about him.

Leave him alone and he will go away, do not even acknowledge he is here lol

This dude is trying to get the attention, ignore him
 

DeletedUser

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You've quit the world.....
Bow out gracefully and just leave.....

Though didn't =X merge at some point? cough*mass recruit*hug*cough

Cheaters are caught 99/100 times, I doubt anyone in the Top 100 is cheating, or did you find a way to bypass Bot Protection? :icon_rolleyes:

Lying to other tribes? Well only you know if you've done that :lol:

=X could have won the world but a tribe with 5K points could also win the world, it doesn't mean they will, but of course theres always a possibility whether 1/2, 1/8, or 1/10000000, there was always a chance =X would win :icon_rolleyes:
 

Hackster2000

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Fair enough Ants, quite a dignified post to be honest. You know what happened and where it went wrong but the conversation we had on skype that you've included in your post was the only proper conversation I've had with you where you managed to stay level and open minded. If you could have been like that more of the time I think you would have seen much more success than you did.

=X did have some good players and a great opportunity at one time. I am glad to see that they have now moved on. I also hope you continue to have fun and success on this game in other worlds... just what ever you do, don't try leading again :icon_wink:
 

DeletedUser93513

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Sucks. :icon_confused:

I think I messed it up in W57 for us, I mean, unintentionally. I definitely liked our vision, but I don't think I was the right person to lead a tribe like that at the time, even though I've been trying to push for the same thing in W58. Ultimately, there's too many things to sacrifice to accomplish what you set out to do. It's hard, but maybe you and I can try again some day. I won't quit on you during start up like I did in W59. :lol:

<3 you ants, please don't let go of that vision. :icon_wink:
 

Deleted User - 4669627

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weisnubs

if you had made those claims at one point before this, they would carry a lot more weight and i would debate your points
however, i think, nobody believes that you even believe what you are claiming
which means you are still being false


hackster

thank you
i never wished to lead, therefore leading was not fun, it was very frustrating at all times, even when things were at their best
i agree it all would have worked better if there wasn't this constant friction


bloodthirsty

you asked me to lead in w57, i refused
i certainly cannot say you messed it up, nor did events in w57 have much bearing in w59
my only point was that we tried this with me not leading and it did not work, so that was the reason i started us off in w59, not because i wanted to lead
good luck in w58, i will certainly be in contact if i choose to start another world
i expect we will have the best pool yet from which to draw our starting line-up :icon_wink:


oh, and reaver

thanks for the comical post, i think we all needed a good laugh
you posting to say that you were ignoring this thread was perfect
 
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DeletedUser

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Ugh. There are so many threads about =X and the internal issues that happened.
In the end. Whatever. Please stop posting this stuff, or at the very least just post it in a existing one.
 

DeletedUser103064

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WeIsNubs said:
You've quit the world.....
Bow out gracefully and just leave.....

Though didn't =X merge at some point? cough*mass recruit*hug*cough

Cheaters are caught 99/100 times, I doubt anyone in the Top 100 is cheating, or did you find a way to bypass Bot Protection? :icon_rolleyes:

Lying to other tribes? Well only you know if you've done that :lol:

=X could have won the world but a tribe with 5K points could also win the world, it doesn't mean they will, but of course theres always a possibility whether 1/2, 1/8, or 1/10000000, there was always a chance =X would win :icon_rolleyes:


shahyd said:
weisnubs

if you had made those claims at one point before this, they would carry a lot more weight and i would debate your points
however, i think, nobody believes that you even believe what you are claiming
which means you are still being false

Sorry shahyd, but I am a little confused. What exactly do you think WeIsNubs is trying to claim? I see no claims being made. :icon_confused:
 

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i'll admit he was slick about it, you really had to listen close, else it just sounded like some coughing, but when we rewind the tape and play it back in slow motion...

[spoil]
cough*mass recruit*hug*cough
[/spoil] :icon_eek:

maybe i just misheard?

and sorry to supernubz, i agree there are way too many threads about us, but i thought if we were that damn important, then w59 needed 1 more thread about us, one actually started by me :icon_redface:

i wish i could tell you this would be the last, but there is at least 1 more story to tell here, apparently
but it is not mine and will not be told by me
 
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our cause was to be a contender without tolerating cheating, without resorting to mass-recruiting, hugging, agreeing to gang-bangs against smaller tribes, whose leaders would not lie to the leadership of other tribes or betray their agreements
 

DeletedUser92671

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Ill buy everybody premium the day i see a tribe like that win,

its a nice idea, but doesnt mean other tribes wont do all of those things to beat you.
 

DeletedUser

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Well let me break this down:

Cheating - Well if you mean without botting, then thats not too hard.
Mass Recruiting - Make a premade, no mass recruiting. Depends what your definition is though ofc.
Hugging - Ok, this might be hard to do if your neighboring a large tribe. Though I think hugging means NAP'ing lots of tribes so...
Gangbangs vs smaller tribes - Well if they're smaller, than why do you need to gangbang ?
Leaders don't lie - Definetly possible :icon_rolleyes:
Betray their agreement - Probably the hardest thing to do. Like making a nap then breaking it. its gonna happen. so dont do it in the first place :lol:

Overall: beOwned. I think its possible. Just not this time :icon_wink:
 

DeletedUser96310

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our cause was to be a contender without tolerating cheating, without resorting to mass-recruiting, hugging, agreeing to gang-bangs against smaller tribes, whose leaders would not lie to the leadership of other tribes or betray their agreements


seriously, I refuse to run a tribe any other way...

mass recruiting is different within everyone's own opinion so won't comment on this.

yes, when I'm speaking with rival dukes there are times I'm vague but I try to never mislead. I think Poqq (who still absolutely believes we agreed to a border nap) will attest that I never misled him. When he asked, shortly before merging with OnFire, what my intentions were I said then and would again that I didn't want to mislead him and that I was unsure of what our (Skype and shAve) futures were.

I and everyone in our council has been mailed with "I'll spy for you if you promise to let me in" and my response and council's response is/should be, we don't ask anyone to do that which we ourselves won't do. Still, players will send vital info in the hopes of getting favor.

Some will attempt to discredit this post with our merge of a few speechless members but again I will say that long before the merge I contacted a top speechless member about his interest and plans and left that chat asking him to share it with the speechless leadership. Mika, whom some don't like and others love, can again attest to this as he and I spoke and we ended our chat cordially and respectfully. I was actually very impressed with his honesty and integrity of the game. I'm certain i'd find gaming in a tribe with him a huge plus.

furthermore, people tend to pass judgment on others by said person's external image and though I understand it, I also constantly remind myself that in personal chats and tribe considerations players often are much more cordial and team oriented. Thereby, external images are often exactly the opposite of the person as a whole.


I think X's vision is shared more often then not. I honestly don't think any leader comes into a world with a plan to deceive and/or cheat his/her way to rank 1 and a world win but... I am also not foolish enough to say that spy's don't happen and that false information isn't used to possibly gain an upper hand. Regardless, I think any leader whose won a world is respected by most within the game. Said person earned it and is deserving of it as winning a world takes hours and hours and hours of commitment and dedication. In the end, there isn't a right or wrong way to win because those who attempt to do it in a demeaning or monstrous fashion are most often removed and eaten by those who once supported him/her.

With this said, I think X's vision was honorable but not any more honorable then any other tribes/dukes whether or not the tribe was a premade or built ingame and I wish those who were in X the best of luck. May you find honor where it exists both in game and in RL.

~Bee
 
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seriously, I refuse to run a tribe any other way...

mass recruiting is different within everyone's own opinion so won't comment on this.

yes, when I'm speaking with rival dukes there are times I'm vague but I try to never mislead. I think Poqq (who still absolutely believes we agreed to a border nap) will attest that I never misled him. When he asked, shortly before merging with OnFire, what my intentions were I said then and would again that I didn't want to mislead him and that I was unsure of what our (Skype and shAve) futures were.

I and everyone in our council has been mailed with "I'll spy for you if you promise to let me in" and my response and council's response is/should be, we don't ask anyone to do that which we ourselves won't do. Still, players will send vital info in the hopes of getting favor.

Some will attempt to discredit this post with our merge of a few speechless members but again I will say that long before the merge I contacted a top speechless member about his interest and plans and left that chat asking him to share it with the speechless leadership. Mika, whom some don't like and others love, can again attest to this as he and I spoke and we ended our chat cordially and respectfully. I was actually very impressed with his honesty and integrity of the game. I'm certain i'd find gaming in a tribe with him a huge plus.

furthermore, people tend to pass judgment on others by said person's external image and though I understand it, I also constantly remind myself that in personal chats and tribe considerations players often are much more cordial and team oriented. Thereby, external images are often exactly the opposite of the person as a whole.


I think X's vision is shared more often then not. I honestly don't think any leader comes into a world with a plan to deceive and/or cheat his/her way to rank 1 and a world win but... I am also not foolish enough to say that spy's don't happen and that false information isn't used to possibly gain an upper hand. Regardless, I think any leader whose won a world is respected by most within the game. Said person earned it and is deserving of it as winning a world takes hours and hours and hours of commitment and dedication. In the end, there isn't a right or wrong way to win because those who attempt to do it in a demeaning or monstrous fashion are most often removed and eaten by those who once supported him/her.

With this said, I think X's vision was honorable but not any more honorable then any other tribes/dukes whether or not the tribe was a premade or built ingame and I wish those who were in X the best of luck. May you find honor where it exists both in game and in RL.

~Bee

This is the main reason i'm proud of you guys :). It takes a true tribe to take #1 without betraying everyone around them. I know for fact that i could not lead a tribe like that.

shahyd, I commend to you, The concept is a GOOD idea. a lot of people have tryed, but just about all of them have failed in the end. But in this game, Its pretty much needed to gain any ground anywhere, Plus you get nubs who go to the leaders of bigger tribes and try to force themselves into being protected by them.
 

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i'll admit he was slick about it, you really had to listen close, else it just sounded like some coughing, but when we rewind the tape and play it back in slow motion...

[spoil][/spoil] :icon_eek:

You misheard :icon_rolleyes:

I am not against recruiting, my point is though that shAve don't run their mouth off about not mass-recruiting. We know we invited a lot of players in the SE, but that has been a smart move for us, we are now on control of the SE and still have plenty to eat.

You however keep saying you did not want to hug or mass-recruit, then why did your original premade merge? That throws your idea out the window.

Oh and before you do, your point has nothing to do with shAves recruitment or anyone else's so please don't try and turn it around on someone else :icon_rolleyes:
 

velibor

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You misheard :icon_rolleyes:

I am not against recruiting, my point is though that shAve don't run their mouth off about not mass-recruiting. We know we invited a lot of players in the SE, but that has been a smart move for us, we are now on control of the SE and still have plenty to eat.

You however keep saying you did not want to hug or mass-recruit, then why did your original premade merge? That throws your idea out the window.

Oh and before you do, your point has nothing to do with shAves recruitment or anyone else's so please don't try and turn it around on someone else :icon_rolleyes:

His tribe wasn't X prior to merging...his tribe became X AFTER it merged with another tribe in order to suffice the lack of members he needed to make his "perfect tribe" and never to recruit again...
 
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