Thank you for telling me I need to rethink my life. Means a lot coming from someone who knows nothing about me.
We were methodical. We didn't pick a side. As far as I am concerned I am picking Growth's side in declaring war. If the whole world respects NME more than us, then so be it. I could honestly care less what the masses of people think about me. I promised my tribemates a win, and I am going to get them that win, come hell or high water.
In regards to rethinking your life, I put a disclaimer at the end "Don't take it personally. I'm sure your character in real life is far better than your one in game." In regards to not caring what people think of you and playing for the win, I can immediately see we come from different philosophies on how the game should be played, so I'm not going to try convince you otherwise. I will say however that in my personal opinion, playing purely "for the win" is one thing that ruins worlds, If you would like me to elaborate I can show you a post I did on the w80 forums about a tribe that legitimately merged countless times and forced the other tribes in the world to merge to keep up, what ended up ensuing is a pretty crappy, uninteresting world. (Although the people there make it very enjoyable) I understand that you promised your tribe a win, I think that's where the leadership of Growth and Loyal differs heavily, so it's hard for me to judge your actions. I don't think Sam, Dan or anyone that lead the tribe would have done the same if the tables were turned, I think we as a tribe care less about the win and more about playing the game. Our forums have never been more full of life, I feel oddly empowered reading what everyone has to say: "
I would rather be rimmed with my friends then finish this world a rat." Our spirits as a tribe are honestly higher than ever, we know statistically we are going to lose this war, but damn. I'm going to feel great losing this war standing next to the people I have cared about for these long 2 years and knowing that I haven't backstabbed, lied or cheated in doing so. I think that's where our philosophies differ, I think I had enough mutual respect for your tribe to handle things far better than you did for us. I think we play the game is different, but I appreciate you for owning up to your main goal especially when it's so different to most people.s
Really? I urge you to find one winning tribe that didn't get bad mouthed after they won. DNY(messed that up on my first post) was the first tribe to win 100% dominance on the .net servers. They literally warred from day 1 and used smart diplomacy to help them on their way. They did nothing dishonorable whatsoever. They are renowned by many to be one of the better tribes to come through this game. However, if you go back and look at world 12 externals, you will still see people that bad mouthed them because they were butthurt.
There are plenty of tribes through out the years that are extremely well respected for how they played the game, it honestly doesn't take much looking to find them. The most recent example I can think of is if you look at Regime in w80, barely anyone has anything bad to say about them, they are extremely well respected and everyone respects the way they play the game. They haven't used dirty tactics at all and are commended for it. If you genuinely don't believe that public opinion can be positive for the tribe that wins, perhaps you are delusional, or you just have a bad experience of worlds?
Haha. You give people 24 hours, they want 7 days. You give them 7 days, they want a month, you give them a month, they want a year. There's just no pleasing people on the Internet.
I just want to state, I was originally meant to say 7 days not "7 weeks" that was a misstype on my behalf, I think their is a major difference in breaking an alliance that lasted 9 months, one of the longest standing ones on the world, and then launching attacks almost 24 hours later. I personally view that as scummy, and if the tables were turned I feel you would do the same. Additionally when the tribe is currently fighting in a war already with empty villages and what not, I don't find it humane at all. But once again I think it's just different philosophies, you are playing for the win. I am playing for fun and for the challenge.
When the alliance was first formed, Dan and I agreed on a 24 hour grace period if the alliance was dropped. Your leadership never arranged for another timeframe, so that's what I went on. If you look at the rest of the game, you will see that 24 hours is more than 90% of tribes are given.
This is one thing that I can at least see as a little justification on your behalf, the fact that 24 hours was the official time frame that is fair enough, in terms of comparing it to other tribes, this has probably been the biggest betrayal of the world thus far so it has to be seen as a totally different circumstance. If you compare a 7 day alliance getting broken to a 9 month alliance getting broken, that is pretty silly in my eyes..
I haven't once deflected my actions. I am fully in control of the actions that I have taken, and I stand by them as the right move to ensure that we win the world. I've owned every single decision I've ever made in this game because they are my decisions. If they are wrong, I've owned up to them. This was the right move tactically speaking. Morally? I did my moral duty by giving 24 hours. If you disagree, well that sucks for you I guess. No love lost between you and I apparently.
Now I appreciate this, I honestly do feel like you were sort of defending yourself in your earlier posts, making it look like you did nothing disloyal, but the tone of this message seems entirely different. I appreciate you at least admitting to your actions, and taking full ownership of them. I don't know if it was the best tactically move to be honest? Unless the NME Growth merge is already set in stone, in which case good game to you. I hope this award gets an award for the crappiest ending ever haha. Ye once again I think our morales are very different, and you seem to have a morale code that is different to the majority of players I associate with. But I will admit I like your boldness in owning up to it, and it is a war game after all. Once again different philosophies on how the game should be played.
We backstabbed you huh? What do you call recruiting the backlines of an entire tribe and then having them attack their previous tribemates? I wouldn't call that Loyal, yet it was condoned by your tribe. I'm speaking about Yay! in case you aren't sure. To have done that and now be mad at us for 'backstabbing' you is the pot calling the kettle black.
I don't know the full story of what happened, I was on holidays at the time, but I am fairly certain the truth is being somewhat twisted here. I speak to a lot of ex-Yay! players, and there seems to be no bad blood between us.
We weren't your lap dogs is why you say we aren't good allies. We simply were not ready to go to war with NME when you guys declared. I repeatedly told your dukes to wait on declaring on NME until we got our backlines taken care of. You guys went ahead and rushed it and chose to recruit your backlines. That's why you have people sitting around doing nothing in your tribe right now. Loyal is filled with impatient, self-proclaimed 'elite' players that might have good skills, but fail to see the long term side effects of their actions. You guys still don't have your backlines cleared out. Tell me, how is trying to get support from Steel, STEAM, Spirit, HONOUR, and SAGE going? Probably a bit better now that you recruited from HONOUR, but I can't imagine if these guys come under attack they'd leave that support in your villages, if you even got any.
If we would've declared on NME when you guys wanted us to, we would've gotten eaten up. There is a reason we had around 45 players at one point and now we are down to 32, almost 31. We would not have been able to help you against NME in the state we were in and with as small of a backline as we had. You guys should've never declared as early as you did, and that's when you started digging your own grave.
Wait what, in terms of alliances you guys were one of the most piss-weak alliances I have ever seen, I don't think you did anything to assist us at all? If you honestly wanted to sit around for 188 days before taking part in a war, I honestly think you are playing the wrong game my friend. That is 1/160th of your life that you spent just waiting around letting other tribes have experiences. I'm very glad we warred when we did, the amount of memories I have from experiences that came out of these wars is far more important to me than some "Backline" growth. While NME have surpassed all expectations I have had on them, I still feel like we had the far more superior line up at the time of war, I don't mean this to be super cocky, but I genuinely do believe we did. We had to deal with a large amount of players quitting because they felt the world wasn't worth their time as they didn't respect how some tribes played this game. I'm just glad they weren't hear to see you guys turn on us, I think they would have shown more disdain than I have.
As for diplomacy with NME, I can show you a screenshot if you'd like, we have 0 allies and 0 NAPs right now and that is how it is going to stay. The time for diplomacy in this game is done. There are three major players, allying one of the other two is just going to slow us down.
Hate on me all you want, the cold truth of the matter is you know I'm right. Loyal made their bed, and now you have to lay in it.
I am not a fool, there is no way someone who is as "tactical" as you would 2v1 the rank 2 tribe instead of the rank 1 tribe, unless there was a merge on the table later down the road. I see this as the reason you were culling your numbers, not anything else you claim. Because NME outclass you in skill, so their is no way you guys would fight them 1v1 once loyal is gone, as you said you are only interested in the "win" not how you get there.
EDIT: Sorry for the wall of text Tuzain, but I'd love to see some of your responses to this. I'm enjoying reading your responses as you seem to have such a different thought process, so I would love to see how your brain goes "Tick. Tock. Tick. Tock." so to speak.
