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[DeletedUser]

Beldin has not told me anything...nor I am defending him. I am stating that which I know to be facts plain and simple. I have not asked Beldin for a single piece of information nor received a any from him regarding their status.

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Every tribe has issues with another over something...past, present or future.

Of course you wouldn't? You may have to answer questions you might not want to answer?

And, slightly off topic but an example of RB's nicety toward HOT just before they joined you. Or, somewhat joined you depending on what enemy group they are near?
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dad0 MM (654|579) C56 12,109 Ultrakillingmachine [HOT] nliTe [XigRB] May 30,2007 - 22:01
dad0 LL (656|581) C56 12,133 Ultrakillingmachine [HOT] nliTe [XigRB] May 30,2007 - 19:32
dad0 MM (654|579) C56 12,099 nliTe [XigRB] Ultrakillingmachine [HOT] May 30,2007 - 06:06
dad0 MM (654|579) C56 12,099 Ultrakillingmachine [HOT] nliTe [XigRB] May 30,2007 - 02:35
dad0 R (654|583) C56 12,355 Ultrakillingmachine [HOT] nliTe [XigRB] May 29,2007 - 20:54
dad0 R (654|583) C56 12,355 nliTe [XigRB] Ultrakillingmachine [HOT] May 29,2007 - 02:12
dad0 LL (656|581) C56 11,599 nliTe [XigRB] Ultrakillingmachine [HOT] May 27,2007 - 05:01
dad0 LL (656|581) C56 11,599 Ultrakillingmachine [HOT] nliTe [XigRB] May 26,2007 - 23:11
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Funny how some RB can take HOT villages then run to XiG and be granted the XiG protection?

Just a trivial matter that I am sure no one was going to bother with? Eh?
Of course some will say, "It happened prior to the event of the merger?" Of course they would. Sheesh, we know ... we know?

Just like you would not be told of the RB plots behind the scenes to enflame Aten and HOT against each other?

Just like some RB members were neither told, and some tribal groups were not "in the plans" of the merger? Why give them a chance to make up their minds as to whether they wanted to join XiG?

You are not a baker ... you must be a farmer?

If you haven't been "told anything" then why make comments? Let your idiot lackeys do that. They do seem perfectly willing to jump to your defense whether you are right or wrong, or know or not know?
C'mon XiG big mouths, and even Paranoid who hides behind the OMGWTF cloak of invisibility, I am sure that even if they don't know anything they will be sure to post?

Where's the dancing pig? Maybe he knows more about things? If, of course, he is not too preoccupied with matters on World8?

I guess you may all want to justify yourselves with high sounding phrases. Then the lockstep "Stepford wives" will all salute and jump off the bridge with ya?

Put that in your pipes and smoke it!

RR

 

[DeletedUser]

Nope...the idea was mine...mine alone and I am pleased

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Beldin has not lied to me at all...How do I know that? HECK I have not asked him for any information that he could lie about.

LOL! I think the expression is "turning a blind eye"?

I am glad to see that a lot of research and planning went into your so-called merge.

*claps* C'mon everyone, let's all *clapping harder** join in?

I can't wait for the chorus!

RR

 

[DeletedUser4514]

Yawn. OK. I see where this is going. Some flimsy denials mixed in with some attempts at bashing those who are calling you out.:icon_rolleyes:

Are you done posturing yet Bolaaar? Or did you just take a break to look at yourself in the mirror again?


FYI:
Narcissism Definition: Malignant self-esteem. The consistent need for self-aggrandizement along with a tendency to denigrate others. Often self-deluded with a tendency towards impulsivity. Also tends to avoid admitting mistakes. While charming at first, the self-delusions of narcissists tend to drive other people away over time.

 

[starwarz212]

AGAIN...

RB joined Xig per MY request and mine alone...along with nods from some Xigian dukes.

Beldin has not lied to me at all...How do I know that? HECK I have not asked him for any information that he could lie about.

Really? Maybe I misinterpreted the mail I read that Beldin had sent to all RB members telling them how XIG was their only choice for a merge, because they didn't like the way other tribe's around them worked. The mail also said that they had no choice, so did you threaten them maybe, or did they tell you that they were only going to merge because you requested it?

 

[DeletedUser4514]

Really? Maybe I misinterpreted the mail I read that Beldin had sent to all RB members telling them how XIG was their only choice for a merge, because they didn't like the way other tribe's around them worked. The mail also said that they had no choice, so did you threaten them maybe, or did they tell you that they were only going to merge because you requested it?

Shhh. The emperor has no clothes. Try not to giggle.

 

[DeletedUser]

This discussion reminds me of this video.

Italian man who went to Malta

The more is said the less is understood. We need a translator here. We also need Mulder and Scully. This merger has a lot of diferent truths out there.

 

[Evando]

Im just wondering are they allowing this to carry on now that RB are part of XIG

lotus 28 StW (750|708) C77 4,844 maxut [StW9] lotus_35 [XIGRB5] June 5,2007 - 22:55
lotus 17 StW (744|702) C77 8,324 maxut [StW9] lotus_35 [XIGRB5] June 5,2007 - 22:53
lotus 67 (754|707) C77 9,919 maxut [StW9] lotus_35 [XIGRB5] June 5,2007 - 21:51
lotus 65 (765|709) C77 2,436 maxut [StW9] lotus_35 [XIGRB5] June 5,2007 - 16:20
lotus 64 (759|701) C77 6,195 maxut [StW9] lotus_35 [XIGRB5] June 5,2007 - 09:37
izmir 42 StW (275|531) C52 12,099 eranm [EA] maxut [StW9] June 4,2007 - 22:59
lotus 63 (756|707) C77 4,030 maxut [StW9] lotus_35 [XIGRB5] June 4,2007 - 20:20
lotus 62 (771|712) C77 8,682 maxut [StW9] lotus_35 [XIGRB5] June 4,2007 - 19:30
lotus 61 (758|701) C77 7,286 maxut [StW9] lotus_35 [XIGRB5] June 4,2007 - 15:07
lotus 60 (757|698) C67 6,438 maxut [StW9] lotus_35 [XIGRB5] June 4,2007 - 14:01
lotus 59 (762|706) C77 5,664 maxut [StW9] lotus_35 [XIGRB5] June 4,2007 - 12:04
lotus 58 (752|704) C77 5,960 maxut [StW9] lotus_35 [XIGRB5] June 4,2007 - 10:03
lotus 57 (774|711) C77 8,719 maxut [StW9] lotus_35 [XIGRB5] June 4,2007 - 09:41
lotus 56 (755|700) C77 6,476 maxut [StW9] lotus_35 [XIGRB5] June 4,2007 - 09:18
lotus 55 D (768|707) C77 8,342 maxut [StW9] lotus_35 [XIGRB5] June 4,2007 - 09:09


Its a friendly takeover by the looks of it but is it still allowed cause it would be giving villages to XIG, not to mention he still has 500,000pts left to give him

 

[junkmonger]

Ummm...the alleged NAP that was not NAP but could be construed as a potential cessation of hostilities unless one side or the other agreed not to abide by it...was only with StW6.

It has been pointed out in other places that other factions of StW are causing considerable mischief in other areas.

 

[DeletedUser]

Wow ramz you sound like a miniture me. I started out talking like you and ended up being the most hated person on world 4. Since I want to take this world's award time to get nasty.( I would go for world 1 ,but that's where the noobs play)

So people, the merge happened what are you dibating the naps?? I thought they were already said? NO? Then I guess I can't read, or you can't and I just read ramz posts... so who can't read me or you(idiots)

 

[DeletedUser]

I don't understand why it is so hard to comprehend this...


RB, RB2, RB3...have all joined Xig and are considered XigRB no matter their name. They wished to remain as a "single" entity so asked if they could be a single sister tribe, instead of multiple. So in essence they add them all up and they become XigRB, run by Beldin and he reports to Xig as the duke of the RB sisters.


In this day and any EVERY smart duke understands that if you do not associate with one of the larger tribes...you are done for. The world will soon just be 10 to 15 major family tribes...

With the war winding down...I contacted RB...they did not contact me. I had no clue that Aten or HoT had issues with them. I was looking at their location and how they could help Xig.

ANYONE who knows me know I care little for points. I may be number 4 in points on the server, at the moment...but I give away as many villages as I take.


StW had takin in half of CALM and a few in Xig.3 at the moment...honestly I don't worry about it. BUT...I don't want it to be "overlooked" is all.

I'm sorry, but a few things just don't make sense.

Firstly, there was no real need for RB to become a part of XiG just to survive. Do ESL need to change their name to XiG? Do FTR or TW now need to merge into family tribes to survive? ATEN have shown that a little bit of strategy and some aggressive gameplay can turn a medium sized tribe into a powerhouse.

Creating multiple diplomacy messes in one tribal family is ridiculous and we all ridiculed RUM for doing. I'm sorry Beldin, but if you are in XiG you will share the same diplomatic stance with CMFAM as the rest of XiG.

I also have no doubt that XiG played a large part in creating tension between ATEN and HOT. I suspect RB were already being used as XiG puppets.

Thankfully the ATEN and HOT leaders are a little smarter than that.

 

[ramz fan]

id like to acknoledge those conquers. good job lotus. keep up the good work =]

and no, we do not have any of those naps any more. pitched em.

also, starwarz seems to have a spy in Rb. or maybe he is just an idiot. again, i love to see you players ramble. makes me, umm, :lol: nice to see that you are in our high council starwarz seems to me you know a whole lot about what goes on in our externals(sarcasm)in other words, it would be best to just stop posting =] thx

Ram

ps. ive read that mail again, since you just mentioned it, and idk what you were reading, i would like you to forward me that mail.

 

[DeletedUser]

Of course you wouldn't? You may have to answer questions you might not want to answer?

And, slightly off topic but an example of RB's nicety toward HOT just before they joined you. Or, somewhat joined you depending on what enemy group they are near?
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dad0 MM (654|579) C56 12,109 Ultrakillingmachine [HOT] nliTe [XigRB] May 30,2007 - 22:01
dad0 LL (656|581) C56 12,133 Ultrakillingmachine [HOT] nliTe [XigRB] May 30,2007 - 19:32
dad0 MM (654|579) C56 12,099 nliTe [XigRB] Ultrakillingmachine [HOT] May 30,2007 - 06:06
dad0 MM (654|579) C56 12,099 Ultrakillingmachine [HOT] nliTe [XigRB] May 30,2007 - 02:35
dad0 R (654|583) C56 12,355 Ultrakillingmachine [HOT] nliTe [XigRB] May 29,2007 - 20:54
dad0 R (654|583) C56 12,355 nliTe [XigRB] Ultrakillingmachine [HOT] May 29,2007 - 02:12
dad0 LL (656|581) C56 11,599 nliTe [XigRB] Ultrakillingmachine [HOT] May 27,2007 - 05:01
dad0 LL (656|581) C56 11,599 Ultrakillingmachine [HOT] nliTe [XigRB] May 26,2007 - 23:11
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Funny how some RB can take HOT villages then run to XiG and be granted the XiG protection?

Just a trivial matter that I am sure no one was going to bother with? Eh?
Of course some will say, "It happened prior to the event of the merger?" Of course they would. Sheesh, we know ... we know?

Just like you would not be told of the RB plots behind the scenes to enflame Aten and HOT against each other?

Just like some RB members were neither told, and some tribal groups were not "in the plans" of the merger? Why give them a chance to make up their minds as to whether they wanted to join XiG?

You are not a baker ... you must be a farmer?

If you haven't been "told anything" then why make comments? Let your idiot lackeys do that. They do seem perfectly willing to jump to your defense whether you are right or wrong, or know or not know?
C'mon XiG big mouths, and even Paranoid who hides behind the OMGWTF cloak of invisibility, I am sure that even if they don't know anything they will be sure to post?

Where's the dancing pig? Maybe he knows more about things? If, of course, he is not too preoccupied with matters on World8?

I guess you may all want to justify yourselves with high sounding phrases. Then the lockstep "Stepford wives" will all salute and jump off the bridge with ya?

Put that in your pipes and smoke it!

RR

why didn't you post the rest of the take overs?
and by the way there was a history behind that so stop all you whining about that

 

[DeletedUser]

Im just wondering are they allowing this to carry on now that RB are part of XIG

lotus 28 StW (750|708) C77 4,844 maxut [StW9] lotus_35 [XIGRB5] June 5,2007 - 22:55
lotus 17 StW (744|702) C77 8,324 maxut [StW9] lotus_35 [XIGRB5] June 5,2007 - 22:53
lotus 67 (754|707) C77 9,919 maxut [StW9] lotus_35 [XIGRB5] June 5,2007 - 21:51
lotus 65 (765|709) C77 2,436 maxut [StW9] lotus_35 [XIGRB5] June 5,2007 - 16:20
lotus 64 (759|701) C77 6,195 maxut [StW9] lotus_35 [XIGRB5] June 5,2007 - 09:37
izmir 42 StW (275|531) C52 12,099 eranm [EA] maxut [StW9] June 4,2007 - 22:59
lotus 63 (756|707) C77 4,030 maxut [StW9] lotus_35 [XIGRB5] June 4,2007 - 20:20
lotus 62 (771|712) C77 8,682 maxut [StW9] lotus_35 [XIGRB5] June 4,2007 - 19:30
lotus 61 (758|701) C77 7,286 maxut [StW9] lotus_35 [XIGRB5] June 4,2007 - 15:07
lotus 60 (757|698) C67 6,438 maxut [StW9] lotus_35 [XIGRB5] June 4,2007 - 14:01
lotus 59 (762|706) C77 5,664 maxut [StW9] lotus_35 [XIGRB5] June 4,2007 - 12:04
lotus 58 (752|704) C77 5,960 maxut [StW9] lotus_35 [XIGRB5] June 4,2007 - 10:03
lotus 57 (774|711) C77 8,719 maxut [StW9] lotus_35 [XIGRB5] June 4,2007 - 09:41
lotus 56 (755|700) C77 6,476 maxut [StW9] lotus_35 [XIGRB5] June 4,2007 - 09:18
lotus 55 D (768|707) C77 8,342 maxut [StW9] lotus_35 [XIGRB5] June 4,2007 - 09:09


Its a friendly takeover by the looks of it but is it still allowed cause it would be giving villages to XIG, not to mention he still has 500,000pts left to give him

and you guys think we didn't knew he is a spy?

 

[Mantho]

I hate posting here....

OK lets get some stuff cleared up.

#1 Yup ALL tribes have there issuses with each other. That is why we have smart people in place to curve it. Example, I have my problems with STW and Patti seems to have a better communication with them(You will see me use this word alot Communication) So nothing bad has happend with them. WHY? well because Patti communicates better then i do and gets her point accross and solves the matter before I have to get involved;> The reason I bring this up is. Even if there are people who dont see eye to eye there are those who do and solve the problems instead. That is how GOOD allies solve stuff.

#2 RB and XIG. Well XiG's attitude towords this is forcing HoT to reevaluate some choices we made. Will see how to turns out soon I guess.

#3 This just got the server interesting again cant wait to see how it plays out.

Mantho

 

[DeletedUser4284]

I also have no doubt that XiG played a large part in creating tension between ATEN and HOT. I suspect RB were already being used as XiG puppets.

Thankfully the ATEN and HOT leaders are a little smarter than that.

Lol.
I've seen this pattern before. Where was it now, Yes it was the alledged weapon of destruction in Iraq. Firts there was poor evidence that was massed up with extreme propaganda. Then when the public still debated about how it was the conection to Al quida was made and by that swept away the talk about weapons and made them true.

No, I seriously doubt RB did anything to make tensions between ATEN and HOT.

And for XiG to be the ones holding the stings in such a scenario you must confuse us with your masters in FTR.
For what prupose would XiG try to get ATEn and HOT into a war? We are allied to ATEN and NAPed with HOT after having a good fight with them. I can assure you that we are satisfied with them not being our enemies since we mostly have been on good terms with them.
For us to create a war between a NAP and an allied that we of course would love to see on XiG side in the war make no sence whatsoever.

 

[DeletedUser4514]

Lol.
No, I seriously doubt RB did anything to make tensions between ATEN and HOT.

Gosh, you've seen 3 top HOT aristos (including the top diplomat and the war minister) saying that this is true. You've had it pointed out that it isn't being denied by Xig or RB leadership, simply downplayed. And it doesn't raise any suspicions in your mind? Even tiny ones?

Wow. That sort of dedication is impressive.

 

[DeletedUser]

Really? Maybe I misinterpreted the mail I read that Beldin had sent to all RB members telling them how XIG was their only choice for a merge, because they didn't like the way other tribe's around them worked. The mail also said that they had no choice, so did you threaten them maybe, or did they tell you that they were only going to merge because you requested it?

Okay since people think I "threaten" let me post what I stated to Beldin.

Sorry it is backwards...but I wanted to post it...

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Well let me ask...

IF RB as a whole is interested in a merger...I will talk with hawg tonight and see what we can come up with for a deal.

Beldin wrote:
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I did now reform RB a bit, into continental fractions. The more to the outside, the smalle the players ;-) Rb biggest players, followed by RB2...

Grtz

bolaar wrote:
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Well Academy might be the wrong word...

I don't like the word academy but members that have 1 village or such are not normally permitted to join the larger factions...

More

Beldin wrote:
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And another problem would be: most fractions here consider me as their leader, without thinking

Which would be academies? Since some did fight long to lose their stance as academy, and to become a fraction (as RB4).

Grtz
Bel

bolaar wrote:
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Well something to think about is all...

The smaller factions would be academies...but still Xig.

Beldin wrote:
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What offer do you mean? Joining Xig?
Problem is that Cmfam and Stw6 are here enxt to us, and we don't have problems with them. Problems now mainly are with Aten, and a bit with Hot (trying to solve it).

And we consist of about 6 tribes, so would be a lot of tribes that join Xig Because I wouldn't drop the smaller fractions.

Grtz
Beldin

bolaar wrote:
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The offer is there...

Seems that all the smaller tribes are now getting targetted.

Beldin wrote:
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Bwa, just a word we say in my language, it doesn't mean anytinhg, would be the same as 'well...'

Uhu, I hear such rumours constantly.

Grtz


bolaar wrote:
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What is...Bwa?

Getting rumors that larger tribes...well looking at RB for expansion...not a good thing to hear.

Beldin wrote:
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Bwa, not really. What doesn't want to say that we didn't consider yet to join Xig ;-)

Grtz
Beldin

bolaar wrote:
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Well RB could always become Xig.2 again...

Beldin wrote:
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Good job with Xig lately. I see almost nothing but good results on twplus

Only a pity Xig.2 did collapse here

Grtz
Beldin


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No threats...just stating facts. All the smaller tribes are being targetted by the families.

So Star...don't make me think less of you...I actually think you are one of the wiser posters here and like reading you stuff. But never assume. If you have question about my "methods" you are more then welcome to mail me.

I don't lie like some...I see no reason for it. It might be a misunderstanding but I will not lie outright.

 

[DeletedUser4284]

Gosh, you've seen 3 top HOT aristos (including the top diplomat and the war minister) saying that this is true. You've had it pointed out that it isn't being denied by Xig or RB leadership, simply downplayed. And it doesn't raise any suspicions in your mind? Even tiny ones?

Wow. That sort of dedication is impressive.

And I've seen other top aristos from former RB and XiG claiming this is not the case. Perhaps a question of interpretion don't you think. And there has never been any denial about isues between RB and other tribes which is the case with almost everyone. But we should just take your word for it and declare HOT to have absolut truth?
No disrespect but there might be so much more to the whole story and until all is proved I remain with believing the good in all situations.

 

[DeletedUser]

I'm sorry, but a few things just don't make sense.

Firstly, there was no real need for RB to become a part of XiG just to survive. Do ESL need to change their name to XiG? Do FTR or TW now need to merge into family tribes to survive? ATEN have shown that a little bit of strategy and some aggressive gameplay can turn a medium sized tribe into a powerhouse.

Creating multiple diplomacy messes in one tribal family is ridiculous and we all ridiculed RUM for doing. I'm sorry Beldin, but if you are in XiG you will share the same diplomatic stance with CMFAM as the rest of XiG.

I also have no doubt that XiG played a large part in creating tension between ATEN and HOT. I suspect RB were already being used as XiG puppets.

Thankfully the ATEN and HOT leaders are a little smarter than that.

Let me clear up a few things here...so we understand.

FTR and TW are basically one tribe. Have been since day one on the server. Xig and ESL are like that also...
Everyone on the server knows that.
I doubt even an announcement that RB is "now like" ESL to Xig would make the world go...Oh okay we understand now. Not going to happen...so the easist way was to get them to join Xig. Perhaps in the months to come that can change and they can be just RB and be seen like ESL. But for the moment this is easier for all to see...

Multiple diplomacies are messy...but they happen. We have NAP's with 3 of the StW factions when the war started and they stayed for quite a while...worked for the most part too...So it can be done. BUT it is messy for sure.

As again for the accusations that Xig tried to coerce Aten to attack HoT? Duh.

Hell I have tried to convince Aten to attack FTR, HoT, TW, StW, CMFAM, CE and everyone's mother. THAT IS MY JOB...Leader and diplomat. YOU do that.

And I have tried to convince HoT, TW, CMFAM, CE, FTR and StW to stop the war. I suppose that makes me bad too...

This is almost comical...

 

[DeletedUser]

LOL! I think the expression is "turning a blind eye"?

I am glad to see that a lot of research and planning went into your so-called merge.

*claps* C'mon everyone, let's all *clapping harder** join in?

I can't wait for the chorus!

RR

Hold on...so if you don't have all the information it means you are not looking for it? What kind of logic is that? I suspect you possibly need to take a logic course or a refresher.

As stated...

I did not look for the history of RB...as that is not what is in question. What is is their dedication to helping us in the war. They have from day one...as have other tribes. So why would we not ask them to merge? They were excellent allies.

IF there are outstanding issues then we deal with them. That is my job no?