velibor
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Ahhh, they failed to conquer Russia, but did Russia subsequently conquer Europe?
Yup...but only after they stopped the advancing Nazi army.
Yup...but only after they stopped the advancing Nazi army.
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Artemis to be fair it is technically possible to completely defend yourself with only offensive forces, but it is possible to only attack using defensive forces. Is that a good strategy no far from it. Only very skilled players are capable of managing defences using only offence and this is in limited defence not against full ops. The majority of TW players dont have the skilled to snipe a dozen incoming noble trains now do they?
By losses i refer to say you have a 40/40k stack and the enemy throws a nuke at you. The nuke will completely die (over 10,000 dead troops) at the cost of a few thousand defensive troops. As long as you know how to manage your forces you can do practically anything.
Just because you are capable of defeating turtles doesnt make it an ineffective combat technique. A Turtle strategy is ment to prolong combat and keep you in the game until you can find a method to overwhelm or bypass an enemy. If you are able to maintain your defences all you have to do is wait for your opening.
Both of what we have said is prefectly true and valid, the success of either style of gameplay does not rest on the technique but on the player and how they manage their resources. Skilled defensive players will be able to maintain their defences until they deem their forces ready to strike back. A Skilled offensive player will know how to maximize damage.
That is why im personally a fan of bite and hold tactics for they employ both strategies. Take a manageable amount of land and defend it well, then once the assault weakens push back and take some more land
Either way since this is TRIBALwars we fight together as a cohesive unit not individually. That requires cooperation, and to succeed you must be able to cover eachothers weaknesses. Turtles and other defensive styled players defend the steamrollers, while the steamrollers shatter the enemy lines.
By losses i refer to say you have a 40/40k stack and the enemy throws a nuke at you. The nuke will completely die (over 10,000 dead troops) at the cost of a few thousand defensive troops. As long as you know how to manage your forces you can do practically anything.
Just because you are capable of defeating turtles doesnt make it an ineffective combat technique. A Turtle strategy is ment to prolong combat and keep you in the game until you can find a method to overwhelm or bypass an enemy. If you are able to maintain your defences all you have to do is wait for your opening.
Both of what we have said is prefectly true and valid, the success of either style of gameplay does not rest on the technique but on the player and how they manage their resources. Skilled defensive players will be able to maintain their defences until they deem their forces ready to strike back. A Skilled offensive player will know how to maximize damage.
That is why im personally a fan of bite and hold tactics for they employ both strategies. Take a manageable amount of land and defend it well, then once the assault weakens push back and take some more land
Either way since this is TRIBALwars we fight together as a cohesive unit not individually. That requires cooperation, and to succeed you must be able to cover eachothers weaknesses. Turtles and other defensive styled players defend the steamrollers, while the steamrollers shatter the enemy lines.
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...this has been an interesting little Off Topic diversion. I didn't say that there was no place for defence - I was just taking the mickey out of canuck's post to imply he was advocating an entirely defensive approach. It's what I do.
I quite agree; I often do the same.
Artemis has the right of this. Sure, in a tribe you may have players, particularly on the back-line, who's primary purpose is to support the defensive battle, but to gain ground you must go on the offensive. Taking the example of Russia, had their fight been solely defensive, Germany would have eventually come to a stale-mate, but one in which they continued to occupy most of European Russia and Eastern Europs. With those resources behind them, the war might have turned out rather differently.
Lumo - you still don't get it do you. When that war started I had, I think, 1 villa. When a 1 villa player launches 200 fakes on your tribe in a day, he does it precisely to get a reaction. 4 or 5 of your players were gullible enough to fall for it and attack, without even taking the precaution of scouting first. They assumed I'd be easy meat. Wrong - and with high morale penalties working against them they got crucified - it's morale bashing at it's most effective.
Now, no great secret here, but I was also playing another NOB!! account for most of that war. I think one of your players worked that out and tried to get me banned, but didn't succeed; I know the rules and play within them. That account took 50 odd villas off your guys in about 10 days, doubling in size in the process. It could easily have been more, but he then notified me that he wasn't coming back after all, so from then on I had to cease attacks and just give the villas away.
I'm busy having fun at the moment, but if you want to try your luck on me feel free - we'll call it a private war and leave the rest of NOB!! out of it if you like
That is why im personally a fan of bite and hold tactics for they employ both strategies. Take a manageable amount of land and defend it well, then once the assault weakens push back and take some more land
I quite agree; I often do the same.
Artemis has the right of this. Sure, in a tribe you may have players, particularly on the back-line, who's primary purpose is to support the defensive battle, but to gain ground you must go on the offensive. Taking the example of Russia, had their fight been solely defensive, Germany would have eventually come to a stale-mate, but one in which they continued to occupy most of European Russia and Eastern Europs. With those resources behind them, the war might have turned out rather differently.
Lumo - you still don't get it do you. When that war started I had, I think, 1 villa. When a 1 villa player launches 200 fakes on your tribe in a day, he does it precisely to get a reaction. 4 or 5 of your players were gullible enough to fall for it and attack, without even taking the precaution of scouting first. They assumed I'd be easy meat. Wrong - and with high morale penalties working against them they got crucified - it's morale bashing at it's most effective.
Now, no great secret here, but I was also playing another NOB!! account for most of that war. I think one of your players worked that out and tried to get me banned, but didn't succeed; I know the rules and play within them. That account took 50 odd villas off your guys in about 10 days, doubling in size in the process. It could easily have been more, but he then notified me that he wasn't coming back after all, so from then on I had to cease attacks and just give the villas away.
I'm busy having fun at the moment, but if you want to try your luck on me feel free - we'll call it a private war and leave the rest of NOB!! out of it if you like
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velibor
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...this has been an interesting little Off Topic diversion. I didn't say that there was no place for defence - I was just taking the mickey out of canuck's post to imply he was advocating an entirely defensive approach. It's what I do.
I quite agree; I often do the same.
Artemis has the right of this. Sure, in a tribe you may have players, particularly on the back-line, who's primary purpose is to support the defensive battle, but to gain ground you must go on the offensive. Taking the example of Russia, had their fight been solely defensive, Germany would have eventually come to a stale-mate, but one in which they continued to occupy most of European Russia and Eastern Europs. With those resources behind them, the war might have turned out rather differently.
Lumo - you still don't get it do you. When that war started I had, I think, 1 villa. When a 1 villa player launches 200 fakes on your tribe in a day, he does it precisely to get a reaction. 4 or 5 of your players were gullible enough to fall for it and attack, without even taking the precaution of scouting first. They assumed I'd be easy meat. Wrong - and with high morale penalties working against them they got crucified - it's morale bashing at it's most effective.
Now, no great secret here, but I was also playing another NOB!! account for most of that war. I think one of your players worked that out and tried to get me banned, but didn't succeed; I know the rules and play within them. That account took 50 odd villas off your guys in about 10 days, doubling in size in the process. It could easily have been more, but he then notified me that he wasn't coming back after all, so from then on I had to cease attacks and just give the villas away.
I'm busy having fun at the moment, but if you want to try your luck on me feel free - we'll call it a private war and leave the rest of NOB!! out of it if you like
I might actually take you up on that in near future but not yet cuz im a bit busy with work and school...
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Lumo - you still don't get it do you. When that war started I had, I think, 1 villa. When a 1 villa player launches 200 fakes on your tribe in a day, he does it precisely to get a reaction. 4 or 5 of your players were gullible enough to fall for it and attack, without even taking the precaution of scouting first. They assumed I'd be easy meat. Wrong - and with high morale penalties working against them they got crucified - it's morale bashing at it's most effective.
Now, no great secret here, but I was also playing another NOB!! account for most of that war. I think one of your players worked that out and tried to get me banned, but didn't succeed; I know the rules and play within them. That account took 50 odd villas off your guys in about 10 days, doubling in size in the process. It could easily have been more, but he then notified me that he wasn't coming back after all, so from then on I had to cease attacks and just give the villas away.
I'm busy having fun at the moment, but if you want to try your luck on me feel free - we'll call it a private war and leave the rest of NOB!! out of it if you like
actually anabolic we knew you were playing lashway, & after you had sent support from the other end of NOB, we were of course out gunned troop wise. As soon as you launched mass fakes, nearly all our K84 players, except the great crovax quit. You then took shloemoe's vills & others easily. The main K83 vills you took were Jan Arve's which was in fact an account i was sitting after he quit the day the war started, when i took control of the account it had not a single defensive village, the whole thing was offensive, while sitting it, i had numerous offers from nob asking if Jan would like to join nob.
After his offence was spent clearing a lot of laz's villages before opposite world continent stacking began, i converted half of his villages to defence, but couldnt do it in time before all the attacks from lashway came in, you got easy villages that way.
If once he'd got to maybe 30k to 40k you'd have even lightly stacked him, maybe 20k of each in each village then we would have easily taken him out, only the 50k+ in each village made him survive, he then went about attacking shloemoe, another quitted account from early on that i happened to be sitting, crovax kept sending support over but there were too many attacks coming in from anachrophobia & yourself for the defence to hold villages for very long.
If you check shloemoe's ODD it will verify what i have just told you.
For most of the war i alone was sitting 20+ accounts, as it turns out we did have a lot of cowards unfortunately.
We also found it hard as you can imagine to move support around as the war was being fought by less than 10 players in a tribe of about 55-70 fluctuated throughout.
I am taking anything away from your sudden growth, despite being mass stacked & overloaded with resources, however i am merely pointing out that you had all odds in your favour & when you started attacking, most of our offence had already been spent on laz.
2004 Artemis
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There was no way NOB!! was stacking from the "opposite world" as their spread at the time was just a couple continents. To accomplish what you suggest, TDE would have to be sending support to their frontline villages. Any support they would have been sending would have been no more than 2-3 continents away.
DeletedUser
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Ok true artemis, i meant that there continents a long way a way from us mass stacked the K73,83,84 area
velibor
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Thank you Mr. Obvious, im sure without your help noone in their right mind would even know what nob!! was not to mention where they're located.
the dragyness
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DeletedUser78112
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@LUMO - your an idiot, as i stated why wouldnt we stack him, anabolic explained himself the reason for stacking him(morale breaking). but whatever continue to go on and on about a war yous lost, if yous want to make it happen again by all means continue
2004 Artemis
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I completely agree. I don't think anyone in their right mind would have known where NOB!! was. But hey, I've spent my life locked in a closet with a computer, so I'm probably not the best of people to judge people's "right minds". :icon_wink:
Areyaen
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CORRECTIONanyone in their right mind wouldn't want to know where NOB!! was.
LOL you should see where Colpo stuck his NOB!!... oh yeah they are with us now, lol hmm where to stick our NOB!! next:icon_wink:
DeletedUser
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Interesting. most activity i seen on the forum in ages. and it is all nonsense. Absolutely WONDERFULLLLL!!!!
DeletedUser
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@LUMO - your an idiot, as i stated why wouldnt we stack him, anabolic explained himself the reason for stacking him(morale breaking). but whatever continue to go on and on about a war yous lost, if yous want to make it happen again by all means continue
You also stated above, without stacking he'd of been able to defend himself & keep his villages, of course he would, whatever makes you sleep better at night mate.
We have not caused any problems since the war & laz has been able to control his urges to betray former friends.
The only problem we have had is today when you started nobling an inactive we have taken 20 villages off in 2 days.
DeletedUser
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Wrong. On this world the turtle strategy is to defend with morale, and hope the big bad guy leaves you alone after a while.
They may as well not play the game if they can't do it properly.
DeletedUser
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If you looked at what i said i was explaining that form of military strategy which is used in nearly every war game out there. Merely because the people you have encountered cannot complete the second part of the strategy doesnt make what i said wrong
DeletedUser
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The fact it is on the world 39 TW forums, implies that you meant it to be relevant to the context of this topic. Therefore, it does make what you say inaccurate.
DeletedUser
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I was explaining how the startegy was properly used and thus how it was an effective tactic. I never said everyone on w39 was skilled/smart enough to emply both sides of the tactic. Just explaining how turtles can be just as effective in combat as long as they know how to properly employ their strategy. If they dont thats their fault not the strategies
DeletedUser
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Word of advice for you; Don't.
lumograph4 said:
Good argument. That's a bit like saying "If we were better than you we would have won". Fact of the matter is we employed a strategy and it worked.
lumograph4 said:
Apart from constanly try to belittle our conquests against you, and even in our previous wars. You should know by now that NOB!! players have very large egos and often react to critisism in the form of nukes.
@lumo in general. Your argument for defeat seems to revolve around the fact that half your tribe quit upon recieving FAKES (terrifying) from us, and the fact that you fell into the trap of suiciding troops on Anabolic.
What part of that makes your defeat any more acceptable?
DeletedUser
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1.You were a hell of a lot bigger than us & you were not a big tribe as crap as TT or Cialis, you had skill, making it impossible for us to succeed in defeating you & when you could stack all your villages within close proximity meant there was no way we could win. We did however take some villages off you & took a lot of ODD before numbers overwhelmed us, your attacks had no strategy they were all random times & launched at all different times.
2.I am well aware of your ego's there, they are heard too much on the forums as it is, criticism is always needed as it is constructive for your owns futures, & no you dont need to post saying " coming from you", yes coming from me, I have as much experience as any of you there, so dont bother arguing that point.
3.I hold my hands up & say the tribe of players around the council did let us down & most quit & I hold my hands up to that, true many many of my members let me down & left me with a lot of sits to manage, Only a few inexperienced players actually suicided troops at Anabolic, no account I was sitting ever launched anything but a fake at Ana.
