I totally disagree with this bit... What about all the single parents that do a damn good job of raising their kids? They only give one gender's "traits". And that's the part I disagree with the most... I don't think there really is a manly or womanly sort of characteristic anymore. I know a bunch of stay at home dads that are really good cooks and that do the house cleaning, and how many sportscasters on ESPN are women? I'm just saying that in today's world a child can get whatever he needs from either gender. Saying homosexual parents will ruin the child's life is illogical.
But at one point or another, they meet their mother/father - regardless of whether it is every day, every week, every few weeks, every month, ever few months, yearly or rarely - they still meet their other parent. In this case, there are just two mothers.
And it won't ruin their life necessarily, but what if to effeminate males fall in love, or two very masculine males were to fall in love? (Same goes for women in this case). It would be very hard to say the least to ensure that the child would get good homosexual parents and not have a girl growing up to be more masculine than the people on the rugby team or a guy who grows up wearing pink shirts and a voice higher than Justin Bieber.
It has the potential to. And in my scenario, I'm not even looking at the repercussions. What happens if the child is a homophobe? Does the child swear at them using multiple homosexual curse words then go out on to the street?
Not even then. So long as people follow Islam and Christianity, the worlds two largest religions, homosexuality will NEVER be tolerated. And while the number of Atheists grow, not fast enough to change the moral views in any of our lifetimes.
Religions against homosexuality, with sweeping changes, could change this. Though considering gay sex acts are punishable with the death penalty and Islam's hell-bent attitude to ensure that their religion remains as it was when Noah was a boy, I hardly see that happening in regards to Islam. Mind you, one stupid Islam semi-extremist went on A Current Affair here and made me /facepalm at the fact he was detesting the thing in the constitution which gave him the very right to speak and not get carried out by the AFP and executed.
My point is, Christianity could change their stance over time, Islam never will.
I don't think it'd be compared to Hitler, but yes, it would make the educational system a joke, and the government would be a laughingstock.
It could be. In 1933, Hitler changed the textbooks in Secondary schools to be very pro-Germany. Guess what these children grew up to be by the time 1939 came around? Soldiers ready to fight in battle!
Surely its not on the same evil scale, but its doing a similar thing - lying to pupils about history, or in this case, biology.
That is possible, but I must admit, unlikely. The main disadvantage would be the ostracisation(sp?) from society. And that is putting the end result mildly.
Exactly.
She's 10. I don't know how much she knows about sex because I only get to see her every other summer. :icon_cry: But it's probably not a lot because her Momma is very protective of her. I know she realizes her moms are lesbian. She's talked about that before, and she's told me about the initial confusion with figuring out what to call each of them so they wouldn't both come running if she said, "Mom."
Response to bolded word: Yeah, it's a possibility. So why not work to minimize that possibility as much as we can?
Yes, its possible to minimize it, but as long as there is a weakness, people will pick on it until it becomes so normal its standard in society. And this will take decades to occur, if not longer. She understands, though they are her parents, unless she's a homophobe she's not going to desert them.
And tolerance can be preached, but as I explained earlier (along with dark), as long as there is religion, there would not be tolerance. If I was gay I hardly think the majority of my Christian right family would be overly tolerant of it. My dad would probably be the most tolerant, as he's one of the only people in my extended family who I believe is not actually religious (aside from myself).
You'd be surprised... I learned how to use a condom in 5th grade.
And I didn't know what sex even was for another year. There are some who find out early, some who find out late.
But with any luck, the younger generations can and will change. Things are slow, but we just have to do our best with as much support as we have. And by making same-sex marriage more mainstream, it will be easier for new people to come to accept it.
Regardless of how much tolerance we preach, as long as there is religion, there will be people frowning upon homosexuality. Even as atheism grows, there will still be people against it. Inevitably, this change will take a long time.
I'm going to take the Labor/Greens coalition in Australia. If the Greens threatened to cross the floor if Labor didn't pass same-sex marriage, Labor would take a significant hit from the Christian voters, not to mention the right-wing of the Labor party would probably end up turning the whole Labor/Greens partnership into a shambles, not to mention turn parliament into a world of internal party conflict while the Liberals bash them to bits.
I'm assuming these should be grouped together? I believe you misunderstood what I was trying to say. I was trying to say that schools teach how sex is supposed to happen and where babies come from... I know at my school, in 5th grade we learned about our... "private parts" and what their functions are. In 8th grade, we then went more in depth about our bodies and everything they experience/do (puberty and all that jazz). In 9th grade, we finally had legit sex education, which I believe is actually already required to be taught by the schools by the government, the current policy being abstinence until marriage.
So, to clarify one more time, I too believe it would be stupid to preach that same-sex couples can actually "create" children. In reality, it will be up to the parents AND the schools to teach them how children are actually made. Also, I do not believe that same-sex couples would teach their children that same-sex couples can actually create children... as they are not looking to corrupt society.
Also, I think HIACliff responded to the other point I had a problem with already... so go HIACliff!
More or less.
My point is, parents cannot teach them one thing when they're 10 lets say, and then the school says something completely different the next. It doesn't work that way. And that is one of the main reasons against same-sex married couples having children. They simply can't have children, and as dark said, they could end up ostracised simply because they have gay parents. Not to mention how awkward it is when other kids ask 'What does your mum do?'. We would have to change the whole mentality of society.
