Discussion: Tribal Wars 7.0 and World 54

[DeletedUser]

Gripes/praise/questions/suggestions oh yes.

All in all I think it's a decent upgrade but why oh why is there so much done graphically and with features all at once? Why not do the features in one upgrade, wait a month and then do graphics? For people like me who play often it's shock to see so much happen at once and have nothing where you think it should be. I think if brought in over 2 upgrades I would like it more, but as it was done I think the word "hate" being used by so many is almost appropriate for this. I just want to play, not spend hours looking up new scripts, getting used to the interface, and finding things all over again.

As to scripts: I think by and large the script system is appropriate.. user created. But for mass recruit, mass minting/storing, sort, and tagging, the developers should start handling it. Players are ready to quit every single time when their scripts don't work and they wait days for an upgrade. For the love of all that's holy, host the scripts somewhere on tribalwars.net (one instance of each script for each world), advertise it and let us link up to them with our quickbars. Then you can upgrade the scripts behind the scenes whenever required. Honestly for your coders it can't be that hard. And if we don't like them we can still use our own until they break

That said I'm sure I'll love it once I'm used to it. If I had to play this game while looking through a toilet paper tube and on a monochrome CRT I'd probably still do it.

Problems that arise right away:

-The "Declare War"/"Offer Peace" functions create an event in the tribe Overview. Why? One person can flood my overview with crap for days.. easily abused feature and annoying.

-Why doesn't going to the tribal forum default to a new tab for premium users anymore? I can't stand the tribal forum in a small pane and now I need an extra click to do it. This almost has to be an oversight by the coders or I'm missing an option somewhere.

Praise:

Scrolling map is great

Packet worlds will love this.. the ability to see your discount nobles from the troop overview is a godsend.

 

[DeletedUser]

Wait....when you get 700plus villas matey you will see what we're talking about......sloooooow!!! and crashes constantly when going to overviews page

I withdraw that comment, as it has just been applied to a world where i am bigger.
Its about 2x slower than it was before, overview takes a long time to load.
Its annoying to navigate around, even on the map.
The 30x30 map is just ridiculous I have a 22" screen and it barely fits the map.
But I do like the new themed look.
The Graphics have not changed much besides new quickbar etc.
I think there should be a choice to opt out, or disable it.
The new tribe features and map features are good.
I think the update should of kept the layouts the same, and just changed the colours etc.


Regards,
Nobleme?

 

[DeletedUser]

Where is the account manager on older worlds?

 

[busamad]

Unsure if the post in the other place was worth posting so will hit things here as well.

I pay for premium why hide the overview feature in a corner when that is one of the main things I use.

Why mess around with the quick bar.

Why put a silly pic in the reports. The only option to remove it is to kill all updates that I pay for with my premium.

Do not like the pics on the map when you click a village they make the game look like its for a 5 year old.

I remember a poll a couple of weeks ago & more players who posted from what I remember used the classical view does that not tell you that we just don't care that much about them why put so much effort & money into something that does nothing.

Of course there is the account manager as well when are we getting that? I paid money at Christmas to use on it OK at the time it was a little late but now a full month has past & no word of when it will happen.

Don't you use the Beta word to test things out should not all of this been done well before it went on line?

Then we have the normal script hunt that happens every couple of months Why have you not at last put some up on TW for all to use? Go on say it has nothing to do with us the normal poor answer. Just how many would still play without them now?

I find it even slower to load pages than before not as fast as when I was able to use the graphical package, but not seen an update since version 5.3


I do like the map however unsure that having all my map scripts taken from me & no chance of an update does offset it. I guess the short answer is it does not.

 

[DeletedUser]

Just tried using the building overview for quick build

How did you manage to ruin the one decent thing from the last round of updates? Do you not actually test things with a wide variety of accounts. Whilst it may work fine for smaller accounts try anything with a 3k+ and you just sit there watching loading screens or the damn thing lagging and trying to catch up

Buggy, laggy and slow

Please please please revert the game to the old version

 

[DeletedUser]

i dont know why u guys give us these dress to cry about the update.. isnt going to be changed (quited) any way..

 

[busamad]

It does look better for me on the buildings page you now have a link at the top to highlight all villages that can have building work at once for me thats just walls so click each one 5 times & it adds them no problem.

I notice the demolish option which again can highlight all villages.

I think this is for me the best part of the upgrade


Edit also you can remove them & change the build order if needed not bad at all.

Just an option to hide the bottom of the page would be nice before I put tape over it.

 

[DeletedUser]

question... Did u guys tested these garbage with more than 1K villages?

and if u are updating stuff.. why don`t u guys make the game open more than 1k villages per page?

 

[nmason930]

k, things work fine for me. Get yourselves off dialup cause it doesn't matter what TW does to slim things down for you all, you're still going to die to 1s trains. LMAO


k, i've had my doubts, and now that i've got my scripts sorted out (within 24 hours of going live on V7.0) I think that I will survive it. (W38 btw)... only issue i'm seeing so far, is the ignore button missing on incoming overview. Please, I must must have this!!!!!!!!. Throughout the last war i had 15000+ inc. I would not be able to survive that in the current setup. I know i can access it from each individual village, but then you've got me going to 100's of villages, ignoring 100's of inc. You would have taken a 5 min step and turned it into 100's of 5 min steps. And that's not the goal i don't think???



Nevermind, i found it!!!!!.

If anyone else is looking for it, change from "All" to "Non-Ignored" on the incoming overview
(sneaky sneaky TWgods)

 

[DeletedUser]

Why put a silly pic in the reports. The only option to remove it is to kill all updates that I pay for with my premium.

Amen. Why is the only way to disable any of the new features to disable almost all of them? What if I like the pics in reports but don't like the nighttime map, or vice-versa?
There should be an option to turn off certain things individually (the report pictures being the most obvious example), and some way to turn off some things that there isn't a way to turn off yet, like the task bar at the top.

 

[DeletedUser]

k, things work fine for me. Get yourselves off dialup cause it doesn't matter what TW does to slim things down for you all, you're still going to die to 1s trains. LMAO


k, i've had my doubts, and now that i've got my scripts sorted out (within 24 hours of going live on V7.0) I think that I will survive it. (W38 btw)... only issue i'm seeing so far, is the ignore button missing on incoming overview. Please, I must must have this!!!!!!!!. Throughout the last war i had 15000+ inc. I would not be able to survive that in the current setup. I know i can access it from each individual village, but then you've got me going to 100's of villages, ignoring 100's of inc. You would have taken a 5 min step and turned it into 100's of 5 min steps. And that's not the goal i don't think???



Nevermind, i found it!!!!!.

If anyone else is looking for it, change from "All" to "Non-Ignored" on the incoming overview
(sneaky sneaky TWgods)

I have noticed a real slow down even with a 50 meg connection. I doubt anyone checked what problems a large account would have.
You have little chance of 15k incoming atm. if things don't improve the game will just lose even more players. 7.0 has some great ideas, but the staff should have played tested it better and maybe offered worlds that wanted to stay in the past (where you could actually play the game) the option to do that. After all i'm sure they pay the cash?

 

[DeletedUser27978]

I think Tw Staff best interests is to make the game more manageable, this update has temporary set back this. Hell people may even play more worlds then, with even more pp. Scripts need to be sorted, even make them yourselfs and could even go the extra mile and install scripts onto peoples quickbars that can be modified by the players via a friendly interface. (An idea for a new update)
(very quickly written)

 

[DeletedUser]

7.0 Upgrade

It seems this "upgrade" is designed to entice more casual players into the game. If stories we hear about tw membership declining I can see how the development team was pushed to add all this stuff over what they probably wanted to add when making a new platform release.

Features I like:

Buildings Overview - the available options to build update now after you select to build something - still no record of recruit status/open farm space which would be nice to know when to time farms.

Classic View - like that we have the ability to stay with old look/feel for the most part that's what I'm doing

War - that was a cool option to negate need to cycle through tw stats so much

Publishing a report - nice add of "All" when publishing a report saves time (nice touch and there are more than a few of these around the game which were probably more along the lines of what the developers wanted to do)


Stuff I don't like:

Put this in the category of silly glitz to get more new players - too many awards, useless graphics, pictures, maps that are way too big and still not as useful as tribalwarsmaps

Slow - the developers just seem to be pushing so much over the internet pipe even with the very fast connection i have seeing too much "Loading" from the overview pages.

Scripts - I know folks build scripts for fun and can't be counted on for timeliness, but couldn't script builders have gotten some early notice to retune their stuff. Folks worked hard on the forum to post stuff, but tbh forum posts aren't a great way to track this stuff. I lost at least 5 days of script use which does count...

Account Manager - honestly, this has been so panned in my tribe and the "feature set" so poorly explained I won't even waste the time to try it out.

Bot Protection - is this what we need to police the game? Reminds me of the pain it the you-know-what it is to buy concert tickets, etc.

All in all, I think this is somewhat of a standard release that software-related companies put together these days. Major releases are all about marketing fluff, getting to new platforms, and hoping to bring in more buyers (players in this case). Now, if 7.1 is not a major functional release (bug fixes, much more new features, faster play, etc.) then I'll be more disappointed...

Scott
Mitsche
w45

 

[A humble player]

Slow - the developers just seem to be pushing so much over the internet pipe even with the very fast connection i have seeing too much "Loading" from the overview pages.

Scripts - I know folks build scripts for fun and can't be counted on for timeliness, but couldn't script builders have gotten some early notice to retune their stuff. Folks worked hard on the forum to post stuff, but tbh forum posts aren't a great way to track this stuff. I lost at least 5 days of script use which does count...

Bot Protection - is this what we need to police the game? Reminds me of the pain it the you-know-what it is to buy concert tickets, etc.

All in all, I think this is somewhat of a standard release that software-related companies put together these days. Major releases are all about marketing fluff, getting to new platforms, and hoping to bring in more buyers (players in this case). Now, if 7.1 is not a major functional release (bug fixes, much more new features, faster play, etc.) then I'll be more disappointed...

Scott
Mitsche
w45

I'll go over some of what you said.
First: scripts, for the 6.0 upgrade, they did give scriptwriters a preview, and for 7.0 it was not so much a preview necessary, but an entire source code of many pages (ad for the developers to tweak some things). A preview wouldn't have helped so much.

Bot protection:
It is important, would you rather have this, or people able to bot easily, and squirm out of punishments?

Slow:
Not sen this, though I don't have any accounts with umptenhundred villages :S

updates:
X.0 updates are big, graphics overhauls, big new features etc.
X.1 updates are almost entirely bugfixes/tweaks that fix the problems from X.0, maybe 1 or two small features
X.2 more bugfixes, and fixing bugfixes, a few new features
X.3 any obscure bugfixes that made it past rounds one and two, by now all problems are dealt with and the game works, so they add small features
X.4 features, bugfixes for features introduced in X.3
X.5 normally the last update before X+1.0, new features, functionalities etc. These updates usually have techy stuff that good players like.

So all in all, don't expect too many new features for a few months yet.

 

[DeletedUser]

As to scripts: I think by and large the script system is appropriate.. user created. But for mass recruit, mass minting/storing, sort, and tagging, the developers should start handling it.... For the love of all that's holy, host the scripts somewhere on tribalwars.net (one instance of each script for each world), advertise it and let us link up to them with our quickbars. Then you can upgrade the scripts behind the scenes whenever required. Honestly for your coders it can't be that hard. And if we don't like them we can still use our own until they break

..... -Why doesn't going to the tribal forum default to a new tab for premium users anymore? I can't stand the tribal forum in a small pane and now I need an extra click to do it. This almost has to be an oversight by the coders or I'm missing an option somewhere.

Completely agree with the above (bolding added for emphasis). I also seem to still have extra crap at the top of my screen even in a new tab when on Tribal forums.

Further main issues:
- Lag lag lag lag even when just looking at some forums. I've the latest opera and good download speed so it's not that!
- Need to be able to disable the mass forwarding of reports or have it automatically go to a separate folder as it's as bad as spam mail en masse. Maybe worse.

Further minor issues:
- AM not installed along with update on W33
- Graphics in Reports would be preferably disabled as someone else mentioned.
- Night map graphics is painful. I don't play this for pretty pics and I've never used day/night graphics as I'm on the opposite time to server time myself and it's a rather depressing feeling looking at a night view when it's midday. - these two fixed by enabling Classical Graphics option in Settings. One problem down!

Praise:
- Scroll map
- Local troops in Pop-up
- Mass Research ability
- Ability to delete multiple posts simultaneously in forums saves much time
- Individual village page layout is great
- Colour bands make viewing easier on the Overviews pages
- Notebook improvement is fantastic
- Great to see milliseconds on all views now

 

[=RedFox=]

Where do I find the promised "Hall of Fame" or is that something the older worlds don't get?

Overall I really like a lot of the functional changes, I think some of them are fantastic improvements.

I do however have issues with some the layout changes;

~ having a bar top and bottom takes up too much screen space. (The items in the bottom bar could have easily fitted into the top bar.
~ The top bar is too big. It could be half the size and still look good (as that is obviously the intention)
~ The colouring of the bar needs to be tweaked. I am finding that I am not noticing new mail, reports and forum posts as quickly as I used too. They just don't stand out enough.

I have also disabled the pretty pictures and night screen. And won't be bothering with the account manager.

So, some minor cosmetic issues but still some great additions.

 

[DeletedUser]

I can't seem to disable the new graphical "upgrades." Clicking on the classic view box in Settings and then clicking OK doesn't do it for me, nor does logging out and logging back in. Box is still checked, I'm still suffering under the upgrades.

Things I don't like:
* Get rid of the needless pic in the reports. I'm playing on a laptop and I now have to scroll down to see WTF happened.
* The tribal forums are now useless to me as the display area is way too narrow.
* I stopped trying to mass recruit because of two changes that make it now very frustrating:
1) The page down button now goes more than a page down, so several vills end up getting skipped each time. Having to scroll back up makes the whole thing a waste of time.
2) THAT STUPID HIGHLIGHT BAR! Who at TW thought that was a good idea? It is incredibly distracting. It's like having a retarded monkey on your shoulder hooting every time the cursor goes up or down a row.

If I can't get the classic view back (not sure what else to try), that's the last straw for me and I am quitting TW.

 

[DeletedUser]

Do you have premium? If so, upload /oldstyles.css /oldstyle.css as a custom graphical pack and you should be fine.

EDIT: Grr typos.

 

[DeletedUser]

I am not a big fan of most of the new updates, I wish TW would give us the option to have the new version updated on to our worlds or to remain as is. Or at least an option to disable individual updates that we find more frustrating then useful

1st I have to say every update pisses me off because your favorite scripts that are WAY more effective then any update TW tries to add breaks is &$%@^( frustrating!

Searching through pages and pages of forum post to find the fixes is getting to be a chore way to often done!

TW is even slower to load now then it was before!

TW mods really need to see how bad some of these updates are on larger accounts :icon_eek:

Dont like the new pictures in the reports, was nice for about the 4th or 5th report but scrolling down to see what happened got old real fast! Turned that off as soon as I figured out how

dont like the Overview way up where it is! Hit map so many times out of habit. That should not have moved!

I dont like the Activate context menu, turned that off in the map screen

Do care about awards so having more added to the list of uselessness is a waist of space to me :icon_confused:

dont like having crap at the bottom of my screen, took me a few minutes to find my friends link, there is plenty of room at the top for these things

My quickbar kept jumping all over the place moving script from one line to the next when I moved from village to village, took me a while to get the line breaks reset to keep things in its place!

the Overview-Production screen is terrible way to stretched out

dont like the highlight thing it does when you move the mouse around over villages very distracting

Only like I can think of at the moment:

Show local troops, is nice to have

forward report additive

Really like the added space in the notebook

research unit from research screen

 

[DeletedUser]

I do love the lack on moderator response to this - our only conduit to the great minds behind this almighty hash up - I feel it's akin to contacting that other great misnomer THE CUSTOMER HELP LINE for any major company.

Why post a topic if no bugger will actually respond even if it's the normal corporate rubbish - we are aware there are issues and your complaints are being looked into or (shock horror) an actual human response dealing with any of the points raised

So it's patently clear this update wasn't tested in any meaningful fashion, it's being foisted on older worlds and new alike, the most pointless being the closed worlds where the update WON'T attract any new custom which I'd assume is it's primary pretty (or is that petty) purpose, and we are stuck with it.

I mean Huzzah & Ballyhoo! I was awarded for minting 30,000 coins yesterday - wow my profile looks so much better now everyone can see that, oh wait if anyone on my world hasn't minted that number of coins what have they been doing the past 3 years...

Yes I am starting to get mean and petty about this as I actually care about the game, I really hope that it thrives and with that I hope beyond hope that someone actually reads our comments about the game to try and use it as the basis to improve the playing experience.

Anyhoo back to grip mode.... so as there is no going back one would assume (as that would be oh so wrong to actually be able to undo changes that mess up a computer program - why would anyone build that in to a program update a restore to previous point function!) can we expect a timescale when the lag issues or broken parts of the updates will be fixed or we just going to be left hobbling on making the best of a bad lot when the next round of changes are summarily imposed on us.

Strabby
A sad and disappointed Tribal Wars CUSTOMER