~*~ HugFest ~*~

[Deleted User - 4669627]

I am not an Old-Worlder, I don't know what Tribal Wars was, but I can tell you what it has become...

[spoil]The veteran players get with other veteran players to form pre-mades which become top ranked tribes, not simply by virtue of greater experience, more skill, better mates and quality leadership. Because they are competing against other pre-mades, they (more often than not) resort to any means necessary in order to win, against even the least matched opponents. Cheating, betrayal, multiple players per account, hugging and gang-banging are all commonplace amongst what are supposed to be the best pre-mades.

While these strategies are commonplace, even against the least matched opponents, they are generally considered distasteful, even shameful, especially in regards to the least matched opponents. Hence, such actions are often denied. Worse, because of the status of these "impressive" tribes, such allegations often require more proof than what should be necessary.[/spoil]

Tribal Warriors of W62,

I have come forward today to accuse 2 such pre-mades (Panic! and Org.) of hugging and coordination with their food (DxE and TooFat) to facilitate the gang-bang of a tribe that never even achieved top 20 rank, had zero diplomacy, that was formed by chance, of not more than 2 dozen random rim players, from nub tribes. :icon_rolleyes:

To substantiate my claims, I have collected more evidence than what should be necessary...

[spoil]HugFest began with AgainstTheWall mailing not just a couple of mates from TooFat and DxE, but their leadership as well...

Exhibit A

[spoil][5/11/2012 11:15:38 AM] Kriss: celestial u there
[5/11/2012 11:43:42 AM] Kriss: http://gyazo.com/4d938a758c25883bc77207899e267f40
[5/11/2012 11:43:45 AM] Kriss: xseen ^^
[5/11/2012 11:49:07 AM] Kriss: Againstthewall sent me a message
[5/11/2012 11:49:13 AM] Kriss: "You there"
[5/11/2012 11:49:15 AM] Kriss: shall i reply?
[5/11/2012 11:49:17 AM] Kriss: wtf.
[5/11/2012 11:49:27 AM] Zal/Callum: Reply
[5/11/2012 11:49:34 AM] Kriss: im replying with "Always."
[5/11/2012 11:49:42 AM] Zal/Callum: Yeah lol
[5/11/2012 11:50:49 AM] Phar Calden Ixen: ello all
[5/11/2012 11:50:56 AM] Zal/Callum: hi
[5/11/2012 11:51:48 AM] Kriss: againstthewall hasnt replied yet, is he going to nobel me
[5/11/2012 11:51:49 AM] Kriss: :/
[5/11/2012 11:52:57 AM] Zal/Callum: Is he anywhere near you
[5/11/2012 11:53:02 AM] Kriss: AgainstTheWall today at 16:52
you have some D to send to Pro 001 (373|673) K63? don slask launched 4 nukes at him after scouting it. it has around 1 1/2 def villa in it. also were are your leaders? they havent replied opened my mails yet regarding the plan XD
[5/11/2012 11:53:10 AM] Kriss: Pro 001 is the village of smexy returns
[5/11/2012 11:53:48 AM] Zal/Callum: What Plan?
[5/11/2012 11:54:00 AM] Kriss: i have no clue

[spoil]i know, it is a skype chat, but this case does not rest on a skype chat[/spoil][/spoil]
So, what was the plan? Something innocent?? They were going to meet for coffee then shop for shoes???

Maybe timothypwn (former Duke of TooFat) can shed some light on the plan in this mail he posted to the shared forum between TooFat and DxE...

Exhibit B

[spoil]

[/spoil]
:icon_eek:

To me, that looks suspiciously as if AgainstTheWall is providing direction to the Duke of TooFat, who is in turn directing his own tribe as well as DxE? Is timothypwn truly coordinating his entire tribe with DxE and Panic!?? Am I mistaken???

Exhibit C

[spoil]

Pandastrike on 15.05. at 03:56
Who says were siding with panic? We had a mutual enemy and worked together in one move to take them out. Threatening us isn't helping your cause.

Pandastrike on 15.05. at 04:04
We have not helped them out past WickeD.

[/spoil]
Pandastrike was the other Duke of TooFat. So we have both Dukes of TooFat saying that they are coordinating their tribe with Panic! against WickeD.

:icon_surprised:

Notice the Duke of TooFat does not say they are helping AgainstTheWall, he says they are helping Panic!

Exhibit D

[spoil]

dic101 on 23.05. at 20:32
i could use a little support if you can spare

if you can get support to [village]302|646[/village] before:

Anex today at 23:15:39:133 2:43:50
Anex today at 23:15:39:898 2:43:50
Anex today at 23:15:39:948 2:43:50
Anex today at 23:15:39:998

that woudl be appreciated

dic101 on 23.05. at 20:33
can you help? have incoming from [player]Wicked Reason[/player]

[/spoil]
Standard Operating Procedure for Panic! when they receive incoming is to mail the closest mates from TooFat and DxE requesting the support their Dukes pledged.

It is not a couple of mates from Panic! coordinating with a couple of mates from TooFat and DxE.
It is all the handful of Panic! mates in the area coordinating with TooFat and DxE, as well as Org.

Check the times of these reports...

Exhibit E

[spoil]
Org. = 04:47:07
Panic! = 04:47:09
Org. = 04:47:10
[/spoil]
That is obviously not an act of chance, that is oviously an act of coordination between the couple of Org. mates in K63 and the handful of Panic!

Further, Org. was coordinating with the very same 2 tribes as Panic!

Org. shares a forum called "Alliance" with DxE...

Exhibit F

[spoil]

[/spoil]
And both Org. mates supporting TooFat against WickeD???

:icon_confused:

Exhibits G & H & I

[spoil]

Incomming Support !!! (320|619) K63 6,223 QueenHashimoto [TooFat] twgodfather01 [WickeD] 2012-05-23 - 16:19:27

[/spoil]
Put it all together and you have...

1. The handful of Panic! mates in the area working with both Org. mates, Dxe and TooFat.
2. Both Org. mates in the area working with the handful of Panic!, DxE and at least 1 mate from TooFat.
3. DxE working with the handful of Panic!, both Org. mates and TooFat.
4. TooFat working with the handful of Panic! and DxE with at least 1 mate working with Org.

The only question left is did all 150+ of them understand that they were all working together?

Again, twstats confirms the HugFest in the records of their nobling. Not only do they not attack each other, they manage to attack the same players at the same time with only a single cross noble? While this review is only of Panic! nobling in regards to TooFat and DxE, I will review the nobling records of each tribe upon request...

Exhibit J

[spoil]TooFat

[spoil][spoil]
Village Points Old owner New owner Date/Time
Flurry (307|631) K63 1,333 Soo Dank [TooFat] dic101 [Panic!] 2012-05-23 05:16:43
Hello (305|635) K63 4,427 Soo Dank [TooFat] dic101 [Panic!] 2012-05-23 02:16:34
Guido (306|635) K63 7,942 Soo Dank [TooFat] dic101 [Panic!] 2012-05-22 19:15:51
Bango (308|631) K63 5,940 Soo Dank [TooFat] dic101 [Panic!] 2012-05-22 17:29:07
Donkey [15] (290|610) K62 3,967 Demon-Crusher [TooFat] Ghosteh [Panic!] 2012-05-19 04:09:33
020 (344|663) K63 5,322 Sonseuk [TooFat] xseen [Panic!] 2012-05-16 20:45:08[/spoil]
4 villages of Soo Dank who gained no ODD losing them
obviously, they were gifted

Donkey [15] (290|610) K62 3,967 Demon-Crusher [TooFat] Ghosteh [Panic!] 2012-05-19 - 04:09:33
Donkey [15] (290|610) K62 3,967 La Joker [WickeD] Demon-Crusher [TooFat] 2012-05-18 - 18:36:37

cross-noble, obviously ghosteh was attacking us, not toofat

finally there is xseen who had just joined your tribe and was finishing off his last target from when he was WickeD[/spoil]
conclusion, panic! has never taken a single village from TooFat




DxE...

[spoil][spoil]Power (360|601) K63 9,059 disasterpiece1988 [DxE] peyman666 [Panic!] 2012-05-26 18:01:23
Power (390|593) K53 9,223 g.vardy@ns.sympatico.ca [DxE] peyman666 [Panic!] 2012-05-23 21:27:47
027 (336|667) K63 7,724 Flyier03 [DxE] xseen [Panic!] 2012-05-21 07:35:55
Winnebago (302|646) K63 7,700 von66 [DxE] dic101 [Panic!] 2012-05-16 09:39:42
Valero (293|626) K62 3,648 von66 [DxE] dic101 [Panic!] 2012-05-15 08:35:26
Panic! (323|605) K63 6,354 SilentShot07 [DxE] klshaun [Panic!] 2012-05-13 21:31:43[/spoil]
Power (360|601) K63 9,059 disasterpiece1988 [DxE] peyman666 [Panic!] 2012-05-26 - 18:01:23
Power (360|601) K63 9,083 DMoshe52792 [DxE] disasterpiece1988 [DxE] 2012-05-26 - 17:09:53

dmoshe quit and disaster was nobling him out and it does appear you sniped 1, but i do not agree that stealing 1 internal is going to be an end to your working relationship, if that even is what happened

Power (390|593) K53 9,223 peyman666 [Panic!] peyman666 [Panic!] 2012-05-23 - 21:27:53
Power (390|593) K53 9,223 g.vardy@ns.sympatico.ca [DxE] peyman666 [Panic!] 2012-05-23 - 21:27:47
Power (390|593) K53 9,211 g.vardy@ns.sympatico.ca [DxE] g.vardy@ns.sympatico.ca [DxE] 2012-05-23 - 20:13:02
Power (390|593) K53 9,211 g.vardy@ns.sympatico.ca [DxE] g.vardy@ns.sympatico.ca [DxE] 2012-05-23 - 20:13:00
Power (390|593) K53 9,211 milos100janovic [VAN] g.vardy@ns.sympatico.ca [DxE] 2012-05-23 - 20:12:58

obviously a crossnoble, that is why they kept over-nobling themselves :lol:

flyier was no ODD gain yet again, another gift :icon_wink:

von66 was also a gift, she quit after myself and my mates began nobling her and she gifted her remaining villages to dic, dic has received a lot of gifts

silentshot was also a gift[/spoil]
conclusion, panic! has maybe taken one single village from DxE in the time that Panic! and WickeD have been fighting, they might have been food before WickeD existed, but they are BFF ever since.[/spoil][/spoil]

If this were the handful of Panic! working with the couple of Org. mates and each had a couple of Personal Allies in TooFat and/or DxE, that would be entirely understandable. Their total number of mates would be slightly less than WickeD, but bigger players who generally started earlier in better tribes. It would not be a fair fight against a tribe that never even achieved top 20 rank, zero diplomacy, that was formed by chance, of not more than 2 dozen random rim players, from nub tribes. It would at least be a level playing field and as close to fair as anybody can hope from TW.

This is nothing like that though.

This is the handful of Panic! in the area coordinating with the couple of Org. mates and all of them coordinating with TooFat and DxE who had 150+ mates between them when HugFest began.

:icon_rolleyes:

Tribal Warriors of W62,

I have never seen a better documented case of top ranked premades hugging nub tribes along the rim to facilitate the gang-bang of random rim players, but that is not even the worst part. :icon_surprised:

Believe it or not, tribes associated with me are often the victims of such actions, making me something of an authority on such behaviour. :icon_redface:

Anybody from W51 can tell you that it happened not once, but twice in that world. :lol:
The reason "anybody" can tell you is simple. Nobody denied it. Not Axte, Sheeps, Apathy, Pl@gue, Jester, K-T, FRM, etc. None of them denied their actions.

Both Org. and Panic! have denied their actions here, THAT is the worst part.

It was not enough to hug everybody and gang-bang the random, couple dozen, rim players, from nub tribes, thrown together by chance, many of whom are pretty newby tbh.
That was not enough.
They had to go further and come on the externals and publicly deny what they were doing, thereby robbing my mates of the respect they are due by virtue of standing fast against overwhelming odds day after day after day.

For that, even more so than the hugging and gang-banging, I say shame on YOU! :icon_redface:

They say my mates are a joke, but their own actions say otherwise and within 3 weeks of forming, twstats says otherwise.

Exhibit K

[spoil]Side 1:
Tribes: WickeD
Side 2:
Tribes: Panic!, Örg., DxE, TooFat

Timeframe: Last week

Total conquers against opposite side:

Side 1: 22
Side 2: 5
Difference: 17

Points value of total conquers against opposite side:

Side 1: 126,471
Side 2: 32,128
Difference: 94,343

[/spoil]
We all know that pre-mades often hug nub tribes to gang-bang even the least matched opponents, it happens all the time. Before anybody claims that this is not that, find a link for a better documented case of such tactics and post it. If we all know it happens all the time and nobody can provide a better documented case study, then this case has been proven.

While I reserve the right to question defense witnesses and evidence, as well as to submit new evidence to rebutt defense claims, the prosecution rests.

BEFORE ANYBODY REPLIES...

I ask you all to wait for Ghosteh to put forward the Panic! defense to these accusations.
It is only right that Panic! have the second post in this thread.
If you cannot all respect that, I hope the mods can and delete your posts.

 

[hellochase14]

You sure do have a thing for panic.

 

[DeletedUser]

[spoil]

I am not an Old-Worlder, I don't know what Tribal Wars was, but I can tell you what it has become...

[spoil]The veteran players get with other veteran players to form pre-mades which become top ranked tribes, not simply by virtue of greater experience, more skill, better mates and quality leadership. Because they are competing against other pre-mades, they (more often than not) resort to any means necessary in order to win, against even the least matched opponents. Cheating, betrayal, multiple players per account, hugging and gang-banging are all commonplace amongst what are supposed to be the best pre-mades.

While these strategies are commonplace, even against the least matched opponents, they are generally considered distasteful, even shameful, especially in regards to the least matched opponents. Hence, such actions are often denied. Worse, because of the status of these "impressive" tribes, such allegations often require more proof than what should be necessary.[/spoil]

Tribal Warriors of W62,

I have come forward today to accuse 2 such pre-mades (Panic! and Org.) of hugging and coordination with their food (DxE and TooFat) to facilitate the gang-bang of a tribe that never even achieved top 20 rank, had zero diplomacy, that was formed by chance, of not more than 2 dozen random rim players, from nub tribes. :icon_rolleyes:

To substantiate my claims, I have collected more evidence than what should be necessary...

[spoil]HugFest began with AgainstTheWall mailing not just a couple of mates from TooFat and DxE, but their leadership as well...

Exhibit A

[spoil][5/11/2012 11:15:38 AM] Kriss: celestial u there
[5/11/2012 11:43:42 AM] Kriss: http://gyazo.com/4d938a758c25883bc77207899e267f40
[5/11/2012 11:43:45 AM] Kriss: xseen ^^
[5/11/2012 11:49:07 AM] Kriss: Againstthewall sent me a message
[5/11/2012 11:49:13 AM] Kriss: "You there"
[5/11/2012 11:49:15 AM] Kriss: shall i reply?
[5/11/2012 11:49:17 AM] Kriss: wtf.
[5/11/2012 11:49:27 AM] Zal/Callum: Reply
[5/11/2012 11:49:34 AM] Kriss: im replying with "Always."
[5/11/2012 11:49:42 AM] Zal/Callum: Yeah lol
[5/11/2012 11:50:49 AM] Phar Calden Ixen: ello all
[5/11/2012 11:50:56 AM] Zal/Callum: hi
[5/11/2012 11:51:48 AM] Kriss: againstthewall hasnt replied yet, is he going to nobel me
[5/11/2012 11:51:49 AM] Kriss: :/
[5/11/2012 11:52:57 AM] Zal/Callum: Is he anywhere near you
[5/11/2012 11:53:02 AM] Kriss: AgainstTheWall today at 16:52
you have some D to send to Pro 001 (373|673) K63? don slask launched 4 nukes at him after scouting it. it has around 1 1/2 def villa in it. also were are your leaders? they havent replied opened my mails yet regarding the plan XD
[5/11/2012 11:53:10 AM] Kriss: Pro 001 is the village of smexy returns
[5/11/2012 11:53:48 AM] Zal/Callum: What Plan?
[5/11/2012 11:54:00 AM] Kriss: i have no clue

[spoil]i know, it is a skype chat, but this case does not rest on a skype chat[/spoil][/spoil]
So, what was the plan? Something innocent?? They were going to meet for coffee then shop for shoes???

Maybe timothypwn (former Duke of TooFat) can shed some light on the plan in this mail he posted to the shared forum between TooFat and DxE...

Exhibit B

[spoil]

[/spoil]
:icon_eek:

To me, that looks suspiciously as if AgainstTheWall is providing direction to the Duke of TooFat, who is in turn directing his own tribe as well as DxE? Is timothypwn truly coordinating his entire tribe with DxE and Panic!?? Am I mistaken???

Exhibit C

[spoil][/spoil]
Pandastrike was the other Duke of TooFat. So we have both Dukes of TooFat saying that they are coordinating their tribe with Panic! against WickeD.

:icon_surprised:

Notice the Duke of TooFat does not say they are helping AgainstTheWall, he says they are helping Panic!

Exhibit D

[spoil][/spoil]
Standard Operating Procedure for Panic! when they receive incoming is to mail the closest mates from TooFat and DxE requesting the support their Dukes pledged.

It is not a couple of mates from Panic! coordinating with a couple of mates from TooFat and DxE.
It is all the handful of Panic! mates in the area coordinating with TooFat and DxE, as well as Org.

Check the times of these reports...

Exhibit E

[spoil]
Org. = 04:47:07
Panic! = 04:47:09
Org. = 04:47:10
[/spoil]
That is obviously not an act of chance, that is oviously an act of coordination between the couple of Org. mates in K63 and the handful of Panic!

Further, Org. was coordinating with the very same 2 tribes as Panic!

Org. shares a forum called "Alliance" with DxE...

Exhibit F

[spoil]

[/spoil]
And both Org. mates supporting TooFat against WickeD???

:icon_confused:

Exhibits G & H & I

[spoil]

Incomming Support !!! (320|619) K63 6,223 QueenHashimoto [TooFat] twgodfather01 [WickeD] 2012-05-23 - 16:19:27

[/spoil]
Put it all together and you have...

1. The handful of Panic! mates in the area working with both Org. mates, Dxe and TooFat.
2. Both Org. mates in the area working with the handful of Panic!, DxE and at least 1 mate from TooFat.
3. DxE working with the handful of Panic!, both Org. mates and TooFat.
4. TooFat working with the handful of Panic! and DxE with at least 1 mate working with Org.

The only question left is did all 150+ of them understand that they were all working together?

Again, twstats confirms the HugFest in the records of their nobling. Not only do they not attack each other, they manage to attack the same players at the same time with only a single cross noble? While this review is only of Panic! nobling in regards to TooFat and DxE, I will review the nobling records of each tribe upon request...

Exhibit J

[spoil]TooFat

[spoil][spoil]
Village Points Old owner New owner Date/Time
Flurry (307|631) K63 1,333 Soo Dank [TooFat] dic101 [Panic!] 2012-05-23 05:16:43
Hello (305|635) K63 4,427 Soo Dank [TooFat] dic101 [Panic!] 2012-05-23 02:16:34
Guido (306|635) K63 7,942 Soo Dank [TooFat] dic101 [Panic!] 2012-05-22 19:15:51
Bango (308|631) K63 5,940 Soo Dank [TooFat] dic101 [Panic!] 2012-05-22 17:29:07
Donkey [15] (290|610) K62 3,967 Demon-Crusher [TooFat] Ghosteh [Panic!] 2012-05-19 04:09:33
020 (344|663) K63 5,322 Sonseuk [TooFat] xseen [Panic!] 2012-05-16 20:45:08[/spoil]
4 villages of Soo Dank who gained no ODD losing them
obviously, they were gifted

Donkey [15] (290|610) K62 3,967 Demon-Crusher [TooFat] Ghosteh [Panic!] 2012-05-19 - 04:09:33
Donkey [15] (290|610) K62 3,967 La Joker [WickeD] Demon-Crusher [TooFat] 2012-05-18 - 18:36:37

cross-noble, obviously ghosteh was attacking us, not toofat

finally there is xseen who had just joined your tribe and was finishing off his last target from when he was WickeD[/spoil]
conclusion, panic! has never taken a single village from TooFat




DxE...

[spoil][spoil]Power (360|601) K63 9,059 disasterpiece1988 [DxE] peyman666 [Panic!] 2012-05-26 18:01:23
Power (390|593) K53 9,223 g.vardy@ns.sympatico.ca [DxE] peyman666 [Panic!] 2012-05-23 21:27:47
027 (336|667) K63 7,724 Flyier03 [DxE] xseen [Panic!] 2012-05-21 07:35:55
Winnebago (302|646) K63 7,700 von66 [DxE] dic101 [Panic!] 2012-05-16 09:39:42
Valero (293|626) K62 3,648 von66 [DxE] dic101 [Panic!] 2012-05-15 08:35:26
Panic! (323|605) K63 6,354 SilentShot07 [DxE] klshaun [Panic!] 2012-05-13 21:31:43[/spoil]
Power (360|601) K63 9,059 disasterpiece1988 [DxE] peyman666 [Panic!] 2012-05-26 - 18:01:23
Power (360|601) K63 9,083 DMoshe52792 [DxE] disasterpiece1988 [DxE] 2012-05-26 - 17:09:53

dmoshe quit and disaster was nobling him out and it does appear you sniped 1, but i do not agree that stealing 1 internal is going to be an end to your working relationship, if that even is what happened

Power (390|593) K53 9,223 peyman666 [Panic!] peyman666 [Panic!] 2012-05-23 - 21:27:53
Power (390|593) K53 9,223 g.vardy@ns.sympatico.ca [DxE] peyman666 [Panic!] 2012-05-23 - 21:27:47
Power (390|593) K53 9,211 g.vardy@ns.sympatico.ca [DxE] g.vardy@ns.sympatico.ca [DxE] 2012-05-23 - 20:13:02
Power (390|593) K53 9,211 g.vardy@ns.sympatico.ca [DxE] g.vardy@ns.sympatico.ca [DxE] 2012-05-23 - 20:13:00
Power (390|593) K53 9,211 milos100janovic [VAN] g.vardy@ns.sympatico.ca [DxE] 2012-05-23 - 20:12:58

obviously a crossnoble, that is why they kept over-nobling themselves :lol:

flyier was no ODD gain yet again, another gift :icon_wink:

von66 was also a gift, she quit after myself and my mates began nobling her and she gifted her remaining villages to dic, dic has received a lot of gifts

silentshot was also a gift[/spoil]
conclusion, panic! has maybe taken one single village from DxE in the time that Panic! and WickeD have been fighting, they might have been food before WickeD existed, but they are BFF ever since.[/spoil][/spoil]

If this were the handful of Panic! working with the couple of Org. mates and each had a couple of Personal Allies in TooFat and/or DxE, that would be entirely understandable. Their total number of mates would be slightly less than WickeD, but bigger players who generally started earlier in better tribes. It would not be a fair fight against a tribe that never even achieved top 20 rank, zero diplomacy, that was formed by chance, of not more than 2 dozen random rim players, from nub tribes. It would at least be a level playing field and as close to fair as anybody can hope from TW.

This is nothing like that though.

This is the handful of Panic! in the area coordinating with the couple of Org. mates and all of them coordinating with TooFat and DxE who had 150+ mates between them when HugFest began.

:icon_rolleyes:

Tribal Warriors of W62,

I have never seen a better documented case of top ranked premades hugging nub tribes along the rim to facilitate the gang-bang of random rim players, but that is not even the worst part. :icon_surprised:

Believe it or not, tribes associated with me are often the victims of such actions, making me something of an authority on such behaviour. :icon_redface:

Anybody from W51 can tell you that it happened not once, but twice in that world. :lol:
The reason "anybody" can tell you is simple. Nobody denied it. Not Axte, Sheeps, Apathy, Pl@gue, Jester, K-T, FRM, etc. None of them denied their actions.

Both Org. and Panic! have denied their actions here, THAT is the worst part.

It was not enough to hug everybody and gang-bang the random, couple dozen, rim players, from nub tribes, thrown together by chance, many of whom are pretty newby tbh.
That was not enough.
They had to go further and come on the externals and publicly deny what they were doing, thereby robbing my mates of the respect they are due by virtue of standing fast against overwhelming odds day after day after day.

For that, even more so than the hugging and gang-banging, I say shame on YOU! :icon_redface:

They say my mates are a joke, but their own actions say otherwise and within 3 weeks of forming, twstats says otherwise.

Exhibit K

[spoil]Side 1:
Tribes: WickeD
Side 2:
Tribes: Panic!, Örg., DxE, TooFat

Timeframe: Last week

Total conquers against opposite side:

Side 1: 22
Side 2: 5
Difference: 17

Points value of total conquers against opposite side:

Side 1: 126,471
Side 2: 32,128
Difference: 94,343

[/spoil]
We all know that pre-mades often hug nub tribes to gang-bang even the least matched opponents, it happens all the time. Before anybody claims that this is not that, find a link for a better documented case of such tactics and post it. If we all know it happens all the time and nobody can provide a better documented case study, then this case has been proven.

While I reserve the right to question defense witnesses and evidence, as well as to submit new evidence to rebutt defense claims, the prosecution rests.

BEFORE ANYBODY REPLIES...

I ask you all to wait for Ghosteh to put forward the Panic! defense to these accusations.
It is only right that Panic! have the second post in this thread.
If you cannot all respect that, I hope the mods can and delete your posts.

[/spoil]


I as a member of panic will reply to this and the ONLY thing i can say is, i think you registered on the wrong website, below is the link to the game you want to play. TRIBALWARS is a GAME where anything goes. It even says ""Blah blah blah non binding in the game."" Yes i did read this all and get over it.

Link to your game
HUGGLES


EDIT:: THIS IS OUR OFFICALLY DIPLOMACY

Örg.
Rawrrr

Non-Aggression-Pact (NAP)
VAN

Enemies
BLUSH
MIRAGE


Get over yourself.

 

[DeletedUser]

Its been well documented that Örg. and Panic! are now allies. Get over it or do something about it please.

 

[DeletedUser105944]

You sure do have a thing for panic.

He loves us <3333

 

[DeletedUser95184]

lol, the funny thing is only 1 ORg. Player exists in the K6*'s now and due to Wicked's stature they're not even on Org.'s Radar hence why nobody north of *Inevitable* in org. has ever attacked your tribe...

 

[DeletedUser]

lol, the funny thing is only 1 ORg. Player exists in the K6*'s now and due to Wicked's stature they're not even on Org.'s Radar hence why nobody north of *Inevitable* in org. has ever attacked your tribe...

Looks like shahyd wants ORG to be on his radar. We nuked 60+ hours for Rabid, we could very well do the same for this tribe :lol:

 

[DeletedUser]

Right shahyd, so you're saying that said tribes (Panic! and Org.) are weak because they coordinate together and with smaller tribes?
Coordination is one of the most important factors and skills in tribalwars if you want to be successful.
One thing you forgot to mention, is the fact that panic and org player have morale problems against all fo your tirbe near enough so coordinating with smaller tribes who have no morale is smart.
From what you've shown, it doesn't make me think any less of the said tribes or players. They'd be doing what I'd do in order to win and it looks like you're just getting bitter because you're not on the winning side.

P.s. anyone can manipulate stats

Side 1:
Tribes: Panic!, Örg.
Side 2:
Tribes: WickeD

Timeframe: Last month

Total conquers:

Side 1: 1,582
Side 2: 163
Difference: 1,419

Total conquers against opposite side:

Side 1: 42
Side 2: 7
Difference: 35

Points value of total conquers:

Side 1: 9,509,097
Side 2: 694,294
Difference: 8,814,803

Points value of total conquers against opposite side:

Side 1: 272,008
Side 2: 58,076
Difference: 213,932

 

[DeletedUser]

Whats this kid on about, anyone can exagerate basic stats, I think hes mad because no one wants his tribe to provide any support.

 

[DeletedUser]

Didn't you post a lot of this same BS in the wicky-wicky-wickeD thread (http://forum.tribalwars.net/showthread.php?t=254446&page=5) and conveniently ignore our responses to make a new thread? Since you named me, I'll bite. I was going to quote myself from the other other thread (since you wrote the same stuff both places) but instead I figured I'd just give people that cared (translation: nobody) the link so they could re-read your post (since it's in both threads) with the same figures and lies and see our repsonses to them. I'm still waiting for an actual response on that, which... based on your own words in that thread, your denied response says you agree with me.

So instead of continuing to argue, I'll post some actual facts and quotes:

Stats (same stats from other thread, since you tried to twist the stats there as well)
[spoil]Side 1:
Tribes: Panic!
Side 2:
Tribes: WickeD

Timeframe: Last month

Total conquers:

Side 1: 594
Side 2: 163
Difference: 431

Total conquers against opposite side:

Side 1: 34
Side 2: 4
Difference: 30

Points value of total conquers:

Side 1: 3,502,282
Side 2: 694,294
Difference: 2,807,988

Points value of total conquers against opposite side:

Side 1: 218,578
Side 2: 31,727
Difference: 186,851

[/spoil]

--

I don't need to say anything. Here's you saying it for me (thanks KnifePartyEdged for passing this beautiful quote along):
[spoil]

Wicked Reason on 29.05. at 10:59
i just checked you on the map, tbh, you have no worries from us, at least not anytime soon

i might offer you an invite, but again, in all honesty, ghosteh would be on you like white on rice and there is nothing we could do to stop him

your best bet is probably to join VAN for now, i think ghosteh will not attack them

[/spoil]

Some more from that same conversation. Is this referring to you trying to hug TooFat and DxE and... le shock... gangbang Panic!

[spoil]

KnifePartyFaced on 29.05. at 11:43
:/ I figured as much. Well Im curious. How will you do with/against panic?

Wicked Reason on 29.05. at 11:49
i am curious 2

certainly our chances would have been better if tim and monstar had a little more sense and loyalty to their mates and a little less pride and desire to be king of something

KnifePartyFaced on 29.05. at 11:50
Lmao well panic! is kinda walking over everybody right now. I see them rank #1 in a few months

Wicked Reason on 29.05. at 11:58
it will likely take a gangbang to stop them, but there is no tribe more deserving of a good old fashioned gangbang

[/spoil]

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Also, I noticed there seems to be a lot of recent activity in that invitations list. If TooFat is full of such terrible players, then why are you guys trying to recruit so many of them? I also went ahead and showed the dates of the last players from Wicked that I attacked/attacked me... and it was over a week ago, closing on two. How is that for taking the fight to us? Especially when you're quoting stats from this week? I also hear you like to quote continent rankings on your forums!

[spoil]
Player Action Date/Time Points
xMioTox Joined 29th May 2012 - 11:03 323
BaronGerard Left 28th May 2012 - 11:03 0
ddf0791 Left 28th May 2012 - 03:02 9,161
Niroshan Joined 28th May 2012 - 03:02 7,605
DON slask Left 27th May 2012 - 19:03 3,457
xMioTox Left 27th May 2012 - 19:03 178
steven10172 Left 27th May 2012 - 19:03 901
SatitoRamses Left 27th May 2012 - 09:03 33,530
mgmyo Joined 27th May 2012 - 08:02 27,628
xMioTox Joined 27th May 2012 - 03:02 4,751
4132soccerboy4132 Joined 27th May 2012 - 00:03 27,002
Inz_6 Left 26th May 2012 - 10:03 46,015
ICE JEZUS SAVES Joined 25th May 2012 - 15:02 6,155
SatitoRamses Joined 25th May 2012 - 10:02 26,936
Inz_6 Joined 24th May 2012 - 09:02 39,237
Narcoticz Left 24th May 2012 - 07:03 0
BaronGerard Joined 23rd May 2012 - 08:03 10,736
S3ph Left 23rd May 2012 - 06:03 0
jacob360 Joined 22nd May 2012 - 14:03 10,194
mgmyo Left 21st May 2012 - 17:03 16,942
Voldrak Left 21st May 2012 - 02:03 0
La Joker Left 21st May 2012 - 00:02 0
DevaBeaver Joined 20th May 2012 - 16:03 12,968
Turbriskafil Joined 20th May 2012 - 01:04 12,082[/spoil]

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I had been curious why you and BrawlU were nobling so far south into K62, and I realized... it's to get away from me. I can't blame you. So for my final exhibit, I present you with the ultimate of all ultimately excellent evidence:

[spoil]

[/spoil]

--

I'd say more, but everything else I had to say (which you are still ignoring) is at the link at top of this post. Feel free to read it and give me an actual response, rather than making a new thread.

 

[DeletedUser]

This is an interesting point. But I would like to take another viewpoint to the argument expressed in this post.

The game is becoming more and more associated with diplomacy because with the strategies and skills of players now, there is a set standard that a lot of people adhere to, i.e being able to snipe easily and co-ordinate quite easily. Now it's about numbers and efficiency, and if you have the numbers of people with these skills, you will stand a great chance of beating less people/villages with the same skillsets.

This makes diplomacy important because it's about getting numbers with you, and less numbers against you. So in that respect, TW is bound to be more number-based now. It's becoming a bit like real life politics... corrupt as hell just to get your way!!

 

[DeletedUser]

This is an interesting point. But I would like to take another viewpoint to the argument expressed in this post.

The game is becoming more and more associated with diplomacy because with the strategies and skills of players now, there is a set standard that a lot of people adhere to, i.e being able to snipe easily and co-ordinate quite easily. Now it's about numbers and efficiency, and if you have the numbers of people with these skills, you will stand a great chance of beating less people/villages with the same skillsets.

This makes diplomacy important because it's about getting numbers with you, and less numbers against you. So in that respect, TW is bound to be more number-based now. It's becoming a bit like real life politics... corrupt as hell just to get your way!!

The problem is that we are better than them in both aspects.

 

[DeletedUser]

Ghosteh, Its unfortunate you gave us such a detailed response, your just going to be flamed for it as soon as he doesnt read it. Who know we may get an entire new topic from the attention slut.

 

[DeletedUser68103]

I stopped reading when you said that co-playing was a shameful tactic.

 

[DeletedUser57892]

:icon_eek: When did co-play become a shameful act? :icon_confused: I leave the game for a year and come back to find out that the same thing that has been happening in the three years I played before is now considered shameful?! :icon_rolleyes: Truth is reading this topic and the other the others started by shahyd it is clear that he wants an excuse for not doing well even when he may be. I did not see zionism list Wicked as one of the enemies of Panic. Odd that a tribe that has put forths so much effort (as per the evedidence put forth by shahyd) to gangbang Wicked, didn't remember to set them as enemies?!? :icon_eek:

 

[Deleted User - 4669627]

Interesting read.

thank you

Just coz I can.

being disrespectful, simply because you can be, that is what the world needs more of :icon_sad:

You sure do have a thing for panic.

i think you mean panic has a thing for everybody, hugging 150+ mates in a single k to gangbang a tribe that was never top 20, had zero diplomacy, existed by chance, was formed of random rim players, etc. etc.

i know, it is a very shameful display, hence why i posted this thread :icon_wink:

no applause necessary, just throw premium points

I as a member of panic will reply to this and the ONLY thing i can say is, i think you registered on the wrong website, below is the link to the game you want to play. TRIBALWARS is a GAME where anything goes. It even says ""Blah blah blah non binding in the game."" Yes i did read this all and get over it.

Link to your game
HUGGLES


EDIT:: THIS IS OUR OFFICALLY DIPLOMACY

Örg.
Rawrrr

Non-Aggression-Pact (NAP)
VAN

facepalm, i did not even accuse you of van cuz i could not prove it, nor did i mention your basher tribe

but i did prove 2 tribes you left out cuz the diplomacy is not official (TooFat and DxE),
the diplomacy being unofficial does not in any way mean that your mates are not coordinating with the tribes, instead of a couple players as they previously claimed

now...

Org.
Rawrrr
Van
TooFat
DxE

WickeD exists in only k63 and k62, you have diplomacy with 5 tribes in just those 2 k's, but you suggest WE should play Tribal Hugs?

LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

we have a single NAP, we had no diplomacy when you began the HugFest

you are saying because we do not hug, we should play huggles?

:icon_rolleyes:

Its been well documented that Örg. and Panic! are now allies. Get over it or do something about it please.

duh, i was documenting it weeks ago :icon_rolleyes:
i have stumbled into a shed with no sharp tools :axemen:

the question was in regards to TooFat and DxE, which is much worse
tbh, i never got why everybody said "OMG, not an alliance between Panic! and Org."
that was never the point

the point was they are hugging 150+ mates in a single k to gangbang a tribe that was never top 20, had zero diplomacy, existed by chance, was formed of random rim players, etc. etc.

oMg!

He loves us <3333

i was initially impressed by your size coupled with your low member count and your spread, till i saw the tactics you will sink to which convinced me you have no faith in yourselves and that is why you cannot admit the truth about myself and my mates

lol, the funny thing is only 1 ORg. Player exists in the K6*'s now

we attacked the other, he quit :icon_idea:

why nobody north of *Inevitable* in org. has ever attacked your tribe...

cuz they are k's away? :lol:

seriously? this is the intellect of w62?

Looks like shahyd wants ORG to be on his radar. We nuked 60+ hours for Rabid, we could very well do the same for this tribe :lol:

:icon_rolleyes:

still waiting for a dvader to say they took a village from me
till you find the coords i cannot hear you mate :icon_razz:

Right shahyd, so you're saying that said tribes (Panic! and Org.) are weak because they coordinate together and with smaller tribes?

almost right, but if you coordinated with some joke tribe to attack the #1 tribe in w62, that would be one thing, so you cannot leave off the rest...

Right shahyd, so you're saying that said tribes (Panic! and Org.) are weak because they coordinate together and with smaller tribes?

hugging 150+ mates in a single k to gangbang a tribe that was never top 20, had zero diplomacy, existed by chance, was formed of random rim players, etc. etc.

that is what makes you weak, that you could not fight WickeD without them
the fact that you deny the reality of it, means you must find it embarrassing
if you find it embarrassing, you would not do it if you did not have to

One thing you forgot to mention, is the fact that panic and org player have morale problems against all fo your tirbe near enough

that is not true today or ever

They'd be doing what I'd do in order to win and it looks like you're just getting bitter because you're not on the winning side.

i have never cared about winning mate

i conquer my enemies

i do not lie, i do not betray, i do not cheat, i do not make accounts with 5-6 players on them, i do not hug, i do not gangbang smaller tribes (not sure i would even gangbang a larger 1, but certainly not a smaller tribe)

i do not believe i need to do any of those things because i believe in myself, unlike you and your mates

i have respect for myself and my mates, unlike you for yourself and your mates

i conquer my enemies

idc if i am rank 1 or my tribe is rank 1 :lol:

P.s. anyone can manipulate stats

:icon_rolleyes:

if you did not want to share your stats with TooFat and DxE, do not coordinate with them, else it is all the same war, all the same stats

:icon_rolleyes:

Whats this kid on about, anyone can exagerate basic stats, I think hes mad because no one wants his tribe to provide any support.

you're so cool and witty :icon_cool:

This is an interesting point.

i will read your point again later and respond then

I stopped reading when you said that co-playing was a shameful tactic.

what i said was "multiple players on an account," how many i did not specify
if 50 players are on 1 account, that is shameful to me, yes, if they try to claim to be any good
2 players is not shameful, but nor is it as impressive as 1 player that is equal to the co-played account

Truth is reading this topic and the other the others started by shahyd it is clear that he wants an excuse for not doing well even when he may be.

that is actually an interesting thought, but i would not agree

what i want is for shameful acts to bring shame, and for people who deserve to be respected to be so

I did not see zionism list Wicked as one of the enemies of Panic. Odd that a tribe that has put forths so much effort (as per the evedidence put forth by shahyd) to gangbang Wicked, didn't remember to set them as enemies?!? :icon_eek:

then we are truly odd, we are about to break the top 20 in war stats despite...

1. our only ever official war has lasted only 3 days
2. we had no enemies listed till they declared on us

Allies
Non-Aggression-Pact (NAP)
=TV= terminate
Enemies
TooFat terminate

 

[DeletedUser83287]

 

[DeletedUser]

He called me cool and witty, mission acomplished. Oh and its tough to call a tribe with 27 members huggers.

 

[DeletedUser]

Wait. Is Panic pre-made? Let me go ask in Skype! I wouldn't know because I came to this world on a whim the day I joined. In fact, I didn't get in to Panic! at first and had to wait for close to a week because they weren't sure if I was going to play seriously or not. Why you ask? Well, apparently I let my account idle 3-4 days and ended my Beginner protection flatlining (had decided not to start playing Tribal Wars again due to time requirements) before I decided I was going to step-up and own some kids on this world. I spoke to two main tribes when I looked at tribes, Org and Panic!, and ignored the rest. Org was too far north, and Panic was more localized to me (while still giving me room to grow since I was only Panic! member in K62 and southern K52) with some badass, active, friendly people and I've enjoyed the decision ever since. They taught me how to do this:

[spoil]

[/spoil]

That's little screenshot is a preview of what is coming for you, big boy.

--

Gigglefart. You called me out by name and ignore my points in this thread, too?

 

[DeletedUser83287]

Ghost is a bit of a talker. he spams the panic skype chats dont you ghost