Well, I won't be posting any proof as any proof I can post can be rebutted, and will be as that is your goal here. All I can offer is statements of how things have happened, take it as you will.
Although, I would like to point out just one contradiction. This is now the second tribe they have declared war on, and their reason both times have been similar if not identical. In both cases they have made a point to show that Thief and TB were preparing to attack BFF and were stacking their front lines, so BFF declared on them for that reason. Would that not make BFF the paranoid ones, if anything? They have now gone to war with two tribes they have suspected are preparing to declare war on them, despite having current relations in place and with no real evidence, no incommings at all. BFF seem very paranoid to me. It's actually genius they have made everyone think that TB and Thief were, in fact the paranoid ones. The only thing anyone has even EVER mentioned, is this 'phantom stacking' that seems to be occurring everywhere, and that's all that BFF are basing all their actions on up to this point.
I realize we haven't exactly posted proof of things, but TB tried conquering at least 2 vills off us, I think 3, (super best friend) before we declared. We also got a ton of mails that have already been posted in this thread to show that that war was very much not unjustified. We also had no diplo with TB, so that argument kinda needs to be thrown out all together. For the record though, I think you meant to make an argument about TWS, not TB.
As for Thief, I'm pretty sure it's been no secret to Thief members that their duke wasn't happy with BFF. I've seen quotes of Valmer raging in chats about how he was ready to take us out over the past week, with them getting a bit more serious when he started recently approaching other tribes to form a gangbang. This shouldn't be any secrets to any member in Thief, as you should've gotten to see it first hand. Just know that what you've seen, we have seen and leave it at that.
Who did you guys beat again
ICG OCG ......Who ?
we all know ICG family does not build a single troop or can properly snipe,train and i am sure none even dodged.
It's only noteworthy because we had a lot of enemies on a lot of fronts.
Kenny? Clearly unprepared but they did know it was going to happen but with WP having their growth stunted for the longest time i am sure if they had your huggles with all tribes you claim to not have on your side you would be in their position now.
Now this is cute. Kenny was prepping far before we were even ready to war (as shown via the mails). I could pull up skype chats with Ryp (our duke) telling me we can't war them. If they were unprepped, it was only a fault of their own, as they initiated the attacks -- not us.
Do I need to repeat that last part again?
Your tribe attacked a family member of Thief when was that okay of a ally to do in ANY world and your tribe CLEARLY knew of this shows your regard.
Attacked and scouted first then we decide to send D then you declare then the stack began.
Get your stuff sorted out and stop trying so hard to look good for all the kids who can't play this game.
Me being one of them but i am unimpressed
Sum definitely poked the bear(I feel that comparison over-exaggerates my opinion), when attacking the academy/family tribe w/e, but it sticks that we don't have diplo with that tribe. We had diplo with Thief and only Thief as far as I knew.
We had MORE THAN enough evidence that Thief was starting to plan actions against us via mails and direct quotes of Valmer. Sum scouted and found D.... Some reason this is leading to a 9 page argument that we not only had proof of Valmer TALKING about prepping for war, but pretty solid evidence showing they were prepping. Is it kind of a sucky way to go about it? Yea, but it got the job done.
The only thing we can be called out on is the attacks on the family member, which is kind of silly.
The original report you posted is almost as embarrassing as the point you're tying to make with it. Just say you planned on backstabbing them from the start and needed the early caps and be done with it. We're not here to judge you. We only seek the truth.. just admit it and take the shame and forget about it.
It doesn't matter what type of player you are. Getting called out this bad publicly is bound to hurt your ego a bit. Just hide for while and it'll be all over soon.
Backstab? We never planned to backstab anyone. Did we plan to war them? Yea, but we weren't going to wait to do it on their terms. They were planning on breaking their diplo with us and we had proof of it. Why would anyone wait around in that situation?
Good luck though everyone, mainly to my side. Hopefully it'll be a better war than TB was.