Alignment Map

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I thought the re-look into this deserved a new thread as the last one got chucked into general.

I listed all the tribes that I feel currently matter in some way or another and I did my best to position them on the map reflecting their real world positioning as well as text and circle size relative to their total points.
Even so, its not easy to fit everything in under that format.

Oh, their dot colour obviously represents their self updating map rank colours (currently).

This is the raw map with just the positions, I'm still working on fine tuning the alignment... lines >.<

 

[DeletedUser]

Ok, heres the more polished version:

criticisms?

 

[DeletedUser]

none.

 

[DeletedUser]

Oh thanks. Well, comments then?
I think what this map shows most is the complex political situation up in the north west rim to north west core.

I believe (personally) that the reason for the level of high activity in the north east is because, unlike the other 3 super powers who have (through one way or another) locked down their corners of the map (Knight in north east and PnP in the south east, through domination and IMP in the south west, through recruitment and alliances) to the point where few, if any notable factions are able to remain.

Dr NO have been slightly slower in their domination than PnP or Knight and they have been the exact opposite of IMP in regards to diplomacy and recruitment.

This has left them with several hostile factions existing around them.

Granted they had TESB and (some would argue) higher caliber tribes in the northern core, but the number of political connections to tribes or factions that hold any value are staggeringly higher up in the north west.

Also it should be noted that this map does not reflect actual in game diplomacy. The lines more represent tribes attitudes towards their neighboring tribes.

 

[DeletedUser]

Oh thanks. Well, comments then?
I think what this map shows most is the complex political situation up in the north west rim to north west core.

I believe (personally) that the reason for the level of high activity in the north east is because, unlike the other 3 super powers who have (through one way or another) locked down their corners of the map (Knight in north east and PnP in the south east, through domination and IMP in the south west, through recruitment and alliances) to the point where few, if any notable factions are able to remain.

Dr NO have been slightly slower in their domination than PnP or Knight and they have been the exact opposite of IMP in regards to diplomacy and recruitment.

This has left them with several hostile factions existing around them.

Granted they had TESB and (some would argue) higher caliber tribes in the northern core, but the number of political connections to tribes or factions that hold any value are staggeringly higher up in the north west.

Also it should be noted that this map does not reflect actual in game diplomacy. The lines more represent tribes attitudes towards their neighboring tribes.

I agree with you that it is possibly the most politically correct map in this world so far.

I am not too sure on knight's movements myself, but it looks like whatever they're doing is working; and quite well. The real test for them there is if they were warred.

DR. No aren't the exact opposite of ~IMP~'s diplomacy, but much rather decide to war everyone than making more strategic choices. This in itself is a major disadvantage unless if you have the skill and enough troops to pull it off. If they do; than it would have been a risky; but very well executed move.

They did indeed also have strong tribes face them; maybe this gives them their ego. If they can hold it and win, then the ego is more than well deserved.

Good enough? If you really want; I can go a bit more in depth.

 

[DeletedUser]

I think you should differenciate official relationship from others. Maybe you can use dashed lines.

For xample, officialy Dr. No and Knight are neutral. From a pratical point of view, we are force to assume they are hostile, and from our side, we are not planning any hostile action. So it's only depends on Knight's intention.

DR. No aren't the exact opposite of ~IMP~'s diplomacy, but much rather decide to war everyone than making more strategic choices

Oh, you understand very little from our diplomacy. Just because we accept few NAP or alliances, it doesn't mean we decide to war everyone.

 

[DeletedUser]

I agree with you that it is possibly the most politically correct map in this world so far.

Aside from Ashy's and my own previous political maps, I think this is the only one so far.

I am not too sure on knight's movements myself, but it looks like whatever they're doing is working; and quite well. The real test for them there is if they were warred.

Well Knight ended up with the best of the 47Ron family and had a decently active crew to begin with even before they merged into Ron. They've been stomping on any rim tribes that show any sort of growth and cutting them off long before they can reach their potential.
Solid way to secure rim expansion. The only thing they lack is core expansion (and of course, top 10 warfare experience).

DR. No aren't the exact opposite of ~IMP~'s diplomacy, but much rather decide to war everyone than making more strategic choices. This in itself is a major disadvantage unless if you have the skill and enough troops to pull it off. If they do; than it would have been a risky; but very well executed move.
They did indeed also have strong tribes face them; maybe this gives them their ego. If they can hold it and win, then the ego is more than well deserved.

Ok, maybe not the exact opposite, but they are very different. IMP a family tribe which used to have 3 or 4 branches and is allied to another family tribe, which used to have 3 or 4 branches, means that the entire South West was allied between an intricate web of friendly families.
Thats 8 tribes worth of people. So there was no dominating to be had. Just friendlies all around.
As time passed, many grew bored with that set up and quit, so both families (swift and IMP) have seriously downsized in both members and tribes since their initial establishment.
But the fact remains that they allied and recruited to gain their continental control.
Only now are we seeing IMP take control of a continent through war and even that is going slowly.

Dr NO are definitely the opposite of the allied/recruit policy. As you yourself said, taking the 'war everyone' approach.
They obviously did have the skill and troops for it early on, fending off tribes like AW. and SRWS who dwarfed their size.
And they still do, but currently I think the only reason their not performing at their peak is because of activity levels.
Which perplexes me as I could not imagine a more fun tribe to be in (if you like warring everything) as I expect their members do.
So what then is to grow bored of and quit for?
I guess sometimes you just can't help it, nothing can be done and people just quit the game.

 

[DeletedUser]

I think you should differenciate official relationship from others. Maybe you can use dashed lines.

For xample, officialy Dr. No and Knight are neutral. From a pratical point of view, we are force to assume they are hostile, and from our side, we are not planning any hostile action. So it's only depends on Knight's intention.

Well, as I said, those lines are based on tribes opinions of others. I know Knights intentions towards Dr. NO are and have been definitely hostile, taking into account they are KNR's closest ally and have nobled several villages from NO right when NO were at their weakest being banged by a multitude of tribes.

As far as NO is concerned, sure you might have no official diplomacy with them, but you would be foolish to consider them neutral or friendly and I am certain thats not the case.

Again, this map does not represent official diplomacy as I feel it is not my responsibility to release such info. Its simply based on tribes attitudes towards their neighbors.
Like or Dislike?

 

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So what then is to grow bored of and quit for?
I guess sometimes you just can't help it, nothing can be done and people just quit the game.

Real life must always take priority over tribal wars - eventually a lot of people just run out of time for the game, they may not necessarily want to quit, they are just forced to

 

[DeletedUser]

Again, this map does not represent official diplomacy as I feel it is not my responsibility to release such info. Its simply based on tribes attitudes towards their neighbors.
Like or Dislike?

I said official diplomacy (not real diplomacy), i.e. information that has already been released.

 

[DeletedUser]

I agree with you that it is possibly the most politically correct map in this world so far.

I am not too sure on knight's movements myself, but it looks like whatever they're doing is working; and quite well. The real test for them there is if they were warred.

You mean recruiting leftovers from RON? Yeah i guess it worked.. But not forever... Mass recruiting tribes always die eventually.

 

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true, IMP had many friends, and some alliances,.........

they they never added up to the points of your ally...

and we did grow with them..

but ARG is now 4 times the size by doing that, instead of waring your neighbour, you took them in as your bother...

so stop all this IMP hugging crap, cuz you are now huge cuz you did the same thing we did..

shame on you, your PnP ego has gotten the better of you.

sure you guys are now KING....but you got that way by a merge....not war, so dont bull shit me, and dont try to bullshit your self............

alexis has left the building.........cuz is stinks like BULLSHIT

 

[DeletedUser]

Sure, we did. But guess what alexis? We can pwn you guys. We have a higher skill base. If you don't think so, come try us. :lol:

 

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gee, really, i had no idea you guys could take us....

all this time i was scared about HOPE attacking me..

i am not saying we are better, far from it, you are top cuz of 2 reasons, you are the best, but you also merged to be the top with points.

so what i am saying, is (not you) but others....hint...hint...midnight...

dont bash IMP for hugging the tribe closest to us....eg SW1FT....cuz you did the same.


i am not talking about IMP vs PnP...you will do what you please any way..i have no control over that...

dont be silly here.

 

[DeletedUser]

Sure, we did. But guess what alexis? We can pwn you guys. We have a higher skill base. If you don't think so, come try us. :lol:

If only I had a dollar for every time KBS says this

But he's actually right

 

[DeletedUser]

I said official diplomacy (not real diplomacy), i.e. information that has already been released.

I consider them to be one and the same. But thats just my personal take on the situation. If you want to make a map based on what you feel official diplomacy or the difference between the two is, then be my guest.

It would be great to get some alternative maps in here.

 

[DeletedUser66513]

ARG! and PuFFiN were the strongest allies in world 21. They were also the 2 best tribes. When necessary the two acted like one tribe anyway, although most of the time it wasn't necessary because both tribes could kick the smeg outta anyone they wanted to on their own.

Merge or no merge, ARG! and PuFFiN would still have been the number 1 and 2 tribes, and anyone who could have taken out one of them would have had to deal with the other

With the PnP merge, absolutely nothing changed except the flag, they have earned their points, and besides ~IMP~ should be happy there was a merge, you have exactly the same people to worry about but now you have an extra rank on the tribe list

 

[DeletedUser]

Fireborne...........well said, and well put..

now that is a great way on looking on things..........thank you, some times i need a slap to put me straight....it has been 11 months 1 week and 3 days from my last beating.

 

[DeletedUser]

gee, really, i had no idea you guys could take us....

all this time i was scared about HOPE attacking me..

i am not saying we are better, far from it, you are top cuz of 2 reasons, you are the best, but you also merged to be the top with points.

so what i am saying, is (not you) but others....hint...hint...midnight...

dont bash IMP for hugging the tribe closest to us....eg SW1FT....cuz you did the same.


i am not talking about IMP vs PnP...you will do what you please any way..i have no control over that...

dont be silly here.

Come now alexis. Even you can't deny that we did things differently. I concede to you that yes, we did merge but that wasn't for domination, we already had control of all our K's. The merge didn't really help us control them any better.
Not in any significant way anyways. All it did was allow us to be closer to our friends and improve lines of communication.
I will also concede to you that IMP actually DID NOT merge to get where they are. Not in the sense of a major merge anyways. Sure you took in ex-TESB players, etc, but never a merge, so kudos for that.

Nor am I saying that the way you and your friends gained control over your dominion was in any way 'bad' or negative. Not here in this thread at least, thats not the point I was attempting to build.

All I was trying to point out, was that your path to continental domination (and you have the second largest dominion by a long shot) was gained through a completely different tactic than PnP. So there's still a lot to be proud for and it is not my right to rob you of that pride. (KBS does a good enough job of that for me >.<).

ARG! had to deal with controlling 10 continents for the majority of its lifespan with around roughly 50 - 55 active members.
Meanwhile, Puffin, controlled slightly more continents, with even less members than that.

IMP controlled a similar number of continents but with (when you take into account IMP-F's and SWIFT-F's member base for the majority of its lifespan) somewhere in the vicinity of 3 - 400 members.
Now both factions have been slimming numbers ever since, as is the natural progression of things of this nature.

But you can't deny that the steps we took to get where we are were completely different.

That is my point alone.

 

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shame on you, your PnP ego has gotten the better of you.

sure you guys are now KING....but you got that way by a merge....not war, so dont bull shit me, and dont try to bullshit your self............

Hmmm, if my memory serves me correctly, and it usually does, PuFFin was already number one before the merge and ARG! was right with us. So tell me again how we got to be the KING. (The only BS is you Alexis) :icon_wink: