Congratulations to A-4zl?

DeletedUser94483

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;( ;( ;( sad man you need to win the lotto and have the time and come back
 

The.Panzy

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W*A*R was a basher tribe that was stacking artemis.

So we nobled them all. Then look what started happening to artemis :lol:

Dunno why you want more than stats, unless you really want Noir to post every time someone in INNOV asks her for a way out and complains about INNOV's internal issues. But that would be very embarassing for them. We'd rather just eat them all.



Well, if you feel like copy/pasting every single conquer from TWStats for all of those deleted players and tribes Noir has been keeping track of, feel free. But you'll see then it's well over 2k and soon will be breaking 3k.
hey hey hey lol I nobled a few too :lol:
 

Studio Audience

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I don't understand why so many people put Innov down, they have been the underdog since the start, always being massively inferior to 4zl in size, without the added size of the alliances that hug 4zl... bawlz, Nyx etc.

Innov has always had little diplomacy mainly being chess before the time came to merge, they have always stuck beside their allies and aided them in times of need, particular the old tribe =cw=, they are the pinnacle of how a tribe should be run diplomatically, few allies, faithful to their allies and willing to fight to protect itself and expand. Particularly before the chess merge they was a tribe that would fight to gain ground with ongoing fights between innov and fray and they did a good job of it. One could argue that since the chess merge they have become significantly weaker, but i think the merge was more of a mutual agreement that something had to be done about the merge/hug friendly neighbours they had and it was their one chance to make an impact, which sadly failed. So while they played the game diplomatically correct

4zl on the other hand has played the game a much different way, having a much larger diplomacy list, and "hugging" many of the tribes around them, they have merged all their major rivals on this world, area + nyx, which were the 2 tribes that stood a chance to win this world, into them. They have done well conquering their enemies, but that has been mainly because they have waited for tactically good times to attack, this is a testament to their leadership however it also shows that they were to scared to have a challenge on this world, they also have been vastly superior to the majority of their enemies in size and strength.

It's obvious which tactic works better just from looking at the results which in general follows the threads set in the last 20 or so worlds, but i will from now until the end of tribalwars always give praise to those tribes that want to fight rather than merge their way to victory, and that's coming from someone who used to be part of one of these merge friendly tribes, there is something more important than winning, it's to have fun, and people have fun in different ways, some have fun by winning, others have fun by socializing, I on the other hand have fun by being challenged, and this world was never going to be challenging, it was just about being in the right tribe and if you wasn't in the right tribe, sucking up to those that were, not my idea of fun, and in my opinion nothing to congratulate another tribe for.

Just my two cents, feel free to have your own opinion.
 

DeletedUser94483

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I don't understand why so many people put Innov down, they have been the underdog since the start, always being massively inferior to 4zl in size, without the added size of the alliances that hug 4zl... bawlz, Nyx etc.
to answer this....no one HUGS 4zl...having good friendships as we take over the world(nyx and 4zl were formed at the earlier stages of the world and have fought back to back for the longest time now)

4zl on the other hand has played the game a much different way, having a much larger diplomacy list, and "hugging" many of the tribes around them, they have merged all their major rivals on this world, area + nyx, which were the 2 tribes that stood a chance to win this world, into them. They have done well conquering their enemies, but that has been mainly because they have waited for tactically good times to attack, this is a testament to their leadership however it also shows that they were to scared to have a challenge on this world, they also have been vastly superior to the majority of their enemies in size and strength.
2 allies is such a larget diplomacy list...so amazing your idea of quantity. Nyx did have a chance to win this world only if they betrayed their friends sorry that is not how we played over there(dont know much about area so cant talk on them). Waiting for tactically good times to attack is called being intelligent strategically. Being vastly superior to their enemies in size and strength was not always an ability for them it took time to get that way growing through the early world.
It's obvious which tactic works better just from looking at the results which in general follows the threads set in the last 20 or so worlds, but i will from now until the end of tribalwars always give praise to those tribes that want to fight rather than merge their way to victory, and that's coming from someone who used to be part of one of these merge friendly tribes, there is something more important than winning, it's to have fun, and people have fun in different ways, some have fun by winning, others have fun by socializing, I on the other hand have fun by being challenged, and this world was never going to be challenging, it was just about being in the right tribe and if you wasn't in the right tribe, sucking up to those that were, not my idea of fun, and in my opinion nothing to congratulate another tribe for.
The right tribes were MADE and forged in the heart of battle not made at the beginning and held onto merging to the top...We earned our position and did not have it given to us freely.
Just my two cents, feel free to have your own opinion.
Fixed your two cents lack of knowledge.
Answers in bold.
 

CheshireBloodhound

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I'm going to disagree with you, and I'll be nice and not troll you either when I explain exactly why (which is funny, since I was pining in our skype chat the other day about how much I missed trolling Fray on the forums).

For all of the stuff you're glamorizing INNOV for, A-4ZL! has done it, and done it better.

First this:
I don't understand why so many people put Innov down, they have been the underdog since the start, always being massively inferior to 4zl in size, without the added size of the alliances that hug 4zl... bawlz, Nyx etc.
Is because upon the fall of Fray, INNOV basically assumed the mantle of loudmouthed arrogant dellusional forum presense (see INNOV vs. MUNTS war, to showcase most of this). The parallels in denial can also be seen in what they said in response to stats and what Fray was said in response to stats vs. Chess and INNOV back in the day. As such they've become the new troll target/ 'bad guy' on the forums.


Now, for the rest of the things you're on about.

4zl on the other hand has played the game a much different way, having a much larger diplomacy list, and "hugging" many of the tribes around them, they have merged all their major rivals on this world, area + nyx, which were the 2 tribes that stood a chance to win this world, into them. They have done well conquering their enemies, but that has been mainly because they have waited for tactically good times to attack, this is a testament to their leadership however it also shows that they were to scared to have a challenge on this world, they also have been vastly superior to the majority of their enemies in size and strength.
Here is what the top 20 looked like at the time both NyX and area diplomacies had been established:
1 4ZL?
2 Fray
3 Motive
4 *SnM*
5 DA
6 -Nyx-
7 ßored
8 ????
9 LOVE
10 ~KOHA~
11 THC
12 Fremen
13 V V V
14 RP
15 ......
16 -=CW=-
17 M|O
18 DANGER
19 TCG
20 home

Updated, minus the numbers as copying and pasting was to sloppy and mess and I wished to avoid flaming for that.
This is a quote on the top 20 discussion thread from the day the NyX and 4ZL? alliance was formed. Area had already established diplomacy with us at that point at was not even in the top 20. To say that we should have fought either of those wars is to say we should have treated out allies like crap and backstabbing them instead of doing what you say you admire INNOV for doing (and what we did, which was support them, war by their sides, and help them thrive). At that point in the world, there's no way you would be able to say, 'oh yeah, area/nyx/4zl are going to end up being the top 3 tribes by the time we get deep into the middle phase game. Calling them 'major rivals' is only a retrospective. The diplomatic agreements were formed before there was any picture of rivalry. Those diplomatic agreements were made early and honored always, as they should have been, which is exactly what bernie made this thread to compliment, and exactly how you say a tribe should treat their allies. Likewise, we have been allied with BAWLZ ever since the day they were formed, when they were only two players.


It's obvious which tactic works better just from looking at the results which in general follows the threads set in the last 20 or so worlds, but i will from now until the end of tribalwars always give praise to those tribes that want to fight rather than merge their way to victory, and that's coming from someone who used to be part of one of these merge friendly tribes, there is something more important than winning, it's to have fun, and people have fun in different ways, some have fun by winning, others have fun by socializing, I on the other hand have fun by being challenged, and this world was never going to be challenging, it was just about being in the right tribe and if you wasn't in the right tribe, sucking up to those that were, not my idea of fun, and in my opinion nothing to congratulate another tribe for.
You seem to insinuate that A-4ZL! is a tribe that wanted to merge their way to victory, and never fought a war. That's your right to have an opinion, but you're ignoring the very obvious fact that our tribe has basically never shown the least bit of mercy to people dubbed enemies. When we have declared wars, we've always gone after the enemy territory with nobles, not invites, and have not relented. Here's a list of people that have joined our tribe over time:

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The only ones that were ever in tribes we declared war on are highlighted in red. Only 12 people in the course of the world have been recruited from our enemies. 3 of which came in during the area merge after joining them when the tribes we were jointly warring fell apart. Only 175 accounts in the life of the tribe, that's not even 7% enemies. What happened to the rest? We nobled entire continents, which is what tribes that are out to win the world by warring do. We had nothing in k52 when the reboot war started, we did not recruit a single reboot player, but k52 is now 100% dominance by A-4ZL! How did that happen? Nobling, obviously. The behavior you're lamenting is that wars aren't even fought anymore: one tribe gets ahead, the other quickly falls apart, and then all of the biggest accounts get recruited as prizes. But that's not what our tribe has done at all on this world. Heck, we have a habit of completely destroying and nobling the top players in enemy tribes. Meanwhile, INNOV merged all of the remnants of Temp, which were Fray, which were the tribe they spent months denigrating the skill of on the externals. If they were such bad players why would they be worth recruiting? Well, that certainly made a nice border with our tribe anyway. You could say it was a merge with an alliance as they had struck an alliance with them to take out MUNTS, but it was a joke of an alliance in both loyalty and duration in comparison to any alliance 4ZL you're begrudging 4ZL of having.

We've also been first place in IG ODA for a huge portion of the world, that happens by....drumroll...nobling enemies! We can easily hug our way to double rank 2 ODA[/sarcasm] (and if you go by TWStats, which is ODA of all current players in the tribe, rather than ODA gained under the banner of said tribe, we're at about 2.5 times the amount of ODA, with only a 2.2 factor lead in village count, so that would imply that we're also killing more troops for the villages that we do have.)


As for the timing of our wars, you say that's out of fear of challenge, which I find so terribly amusing. From my perspective there are two reasons that our tribe has never been gangbanged, and that is:

1) We were never the 'bad guy' that everybody hated on the external forums. We were always quiet, posted when necessary, and when we did post, we generally did so with a likable or at least respectable presense. So while Fray was on here tooting their horn both without justification and with pompous demeanor, they gathered the ire of everyone around them, while we, although noted as a looming threat in the distance, were never someone people hated enough to wait to say "plans be damned, 4ZL needs to get taken out now or never."
2) Noir was always pulling strings diplomatically to assure it never happened, which is, as you say, a great testament to the diplomatic abilities and leadership of the tribe.

The reason we never declared wars on multiple fronts is also simple: from a tactical standpoint we wanted to get out of the core, and focus on bridging our tribe's cluster on the western rim in K41 and K42 with the core of the tribe in K34, K44, and K45. As long as that was not completed, our tribe was always vulnerable to be hit hard in a geographically disadvantageous situation. In fact, that's exactly why we needed a leader like Noir to get us to this point, because the geography of the tribe was terrible and could have easily been exploited to a practically indefensible position where the tribe would be split in two it'd be enormously difficult to coordinate between the two, it would've effectively had to function as two separate tribes under one banner. The reason this geography was never exploited against our will plays back to the two points listed above. The reason it was never exploited by our will was because that would not play towards completing the goal, which in the short term at the early stage of the game was to bridge the gap between the clusters of our tribe. Declaring on any tribe that wasn't on our western front would have not been contributing at all to the goals of the tribe, so there was no point in doing it. Let's face it, 'Fear of challenge' is basically a euphemism for 'you had diplomacy, a plan, and followed it'. At any point in time, anything could have happened to pit us against the world. With Jen's inspired insanity we were always ready for a front with Fray to open up against our will. But to our advantage, the eastern rim kept them too busy to do anything else while we went about our business in the west, thus negating the probability of that gangbang.

Aside from that, the best thing a tribe starting in the core can do is gain control of one of the rims in the world to secure a backline to help the tribe expand in a more focused way than disorganized circular on-all-fronts nobling. It was obvious we'd go west since we already had villages on the western rim early on (Yuki., DoIKnowYou, we3noobs, etc.). The timing of our wars are all directly attributable to the first two points - they were fought when they were to achieve a strategic purpose when it was dubbed strategically beneficial to do so, all in the plan of fulfilling short term plans without jeopardizing the long term plans (i.e. endgame merge with NyX already planned in April 2011). We were able to stick to plan by playing smart, and treating our allies the way they treated us.


Or as you said in praise of INNOV: "few allies, faithful to their allies and willing to fight to protect itself and expand....a tribe that would fight to gain ground"
 

DeletedUser37628

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A planned merge is still a merge. Even if you didn't hug your enemies, you still did your fair share of hugging. That having been said, hugging is fine, and I wouldn't say 4zl hugged excessively, based on what I've seen. Been paying attention to this world for several months now.
 

CheshireBloodhound

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A planned merge is still a merge. Even if you didn't hug your enemies, you still did your fair share of hugging. That having been said, hugging is fine, and I wouldn't say 4zl hugged excessively, based on what I've seen. Been paying attention to this world for several months now.
Oh, it most definitely is, and I called it exactly as it was. They were merges no doubt about that at all. Studio seems to be trying to paint the picture as if we made diplomatic agreements saying 'hey, we're rank 1, let's ally rank 2 and 3 with promises to merge them at endgame and kill everyone else'.

I don't begrudge alliances in the least, and often make fun of elitist tribes that think diplomacy makes a tribe weak when it is in fact one of the most potent tools in the game to get things done (that's actually my favorite early world forum-trolling pasttime haha). But at the same time I do disapprove of the more common practice these days of warring an enemy tribe, and poaching a bunch of untested high point players (which is what Fray did, repeatedly, on this world. And behold, when they got a real test, they lasted 6 whole hours before fracturing into 4-5 tribes). My response is based on the impression that Studio thinks we did that too.


NyX was less than a month old and hadn't even broken the top 5 yet when diplomacy talks started with them, and area was not even top 20 at the time. Both of these tribes were given diplomacy as tribes of potential that we could work together with, without coming into conflict with the goals set by the tribal leadership, run by leaders our leadership felt it could trust. The fact that we eventually became ranks 1, 2, and 3 respectively were a result of the tribes working together, helping each other thrive, and demolishing all common enemies. That seems to frustrate people that felt like 4ZL wasn't going after anyone 'challenging' because the biggest tribes as the game went on turned out to be those allies we picked early on in the world. When the plans were made it wasn't such a clear-cut picture. Well, I guess ideally, when you make those alliances, that's the end result you want, because it means everyone did their job - all kept active, growing strong, never faltering in the wars they fought. But hey - that's the bad sort of hugging according to the people that had to feel the blunt of the effects of those diplomatic agreements and found their time on the world brought to an end.
 

DeletedUser101209

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lol ^ Why do you feel the need to argue with people on the internet and spend 15 mins making posts.. If you know your right or what really happen then whys it matter?

Why are we even posting here anyways? I still have 14k villages and alot of time on my hands :), When the time is correct im sure lulz will be congratulated for all the things they did right and there hard work.
 
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CheshireBloodhound

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You guys don't do nearly enough to entertain me in game. :icon_redface::icon_redface:

But seriously, perhaps one should take a moment to consider it's because I enjoy posting on the forums more than other aspects of the game, especially at this stage where it becomes a grind to the end of the world. Of course forum activity is also nil at this stage, so I take the opportunity to make points where I have a chance to actually argue something. It doesn't matter, of course. Endgame is set. There are no neutral tribes to sway or pull strings with. There's no public opinion that matters at all in terms of influencing what will happen in the remaining life of the world.
 

DeletedUser102202

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you planning on a return merry?

dont blame 4lz mergers for the reason why they win this world nyx and 4zl both have fought their own wars and won them on their own terms as innov and chess fought their wars together dont make posts saying how the 3 great tribes merged to win the world this is the last great war in this world and the way these tribes have played, well played in our favor and everybody who failed, well failed give credit where credit is due this is how the game is played if you dont like it leave
 
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DeletedUser4587

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Great response cheshire.

I remember looking at the map early game and thinking about what Cheshire mentioned, how poorly positioned 4ZL was as a tribe. They didn't have a strong cluster anywhere, and area, fray and -Nyx- (not NyX darn it :p) were best positioned to do serious damage to 4ZL. I say this because 4ZL was a really strung out tribe with no real core, and all three of the tribes had very long fronts with 4ZL, strong cores and proven players. I'm sure Noir expected at least one or two of us to fall apart on our own before the end of the world, but she need us to stay on their side until 4ZL consolidated.

Because of the diplomacy and the proven trust between 4ZL and area/-Nyx-, 4ZL always knew they had a safe back in the north, so they were able to expand west. Likewise area and -Nyx- were able to expand northwest and northeast respectively knowing that their southern border was safe.

There was a point where Nyx and area had control of virtually everything in the north and were starting to clash in places. There was actually a lot of tension between the two tribes (we had no diplomacy with area) and a real potential for war between the two (which would have been bad for 4ZL). Since the membership of area was shrinking, and I'm betting Noir noticed the tension, they merged (this is speculation). After the merger the territorial tension virtually disappeared, allowing Nyx to safely expand further east and the area people to continue to expand west.

4ZL has very good players, but I've played with plenty of them and they're not all the most amazing players ever. You can find similar quality in most other top tribes. They aren't good enough that they would have survived without very smart diplomacy, because they were positioned worse than anybody in the game to survive a gang bang.
 
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DeletedUser94483

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i say 2000 players quit w55 and give us our ....countdown.
 

CheshireBloodhound

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4ZL has very good players, but I've played with plenty of them and they're not all the most amazing players ever.
Noir tanks our average skill level down so hard. :lol:
I'm going to get in trouble for this.
 

bernard 2485

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My threads seem to always get alot of attention <3 4zl? are all nubs! :p i saw that first hand :lol: jokes!

Concerning 4zl? hugging - every top tribe does it. If its not done excessively then im not ever going to be against it. And INNOV are ones to talk (fubar)... you were the king of mass recruiting and hugging back in the day. Where is all ex-Fray/Temp now? :eek:: in your tribe!
 

.dan.101

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The hugging thing is insanely boring. We all know 4ZL? were vultures, not huggers.

area did all the hard work. :icon_cool:
 

DeletedUser37628

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Having never played this world, I know nothing about how good 4zl are as fighters. But their position earlier on certainly demanded a lot from their diplomats. I don't think anyone has any room to say they hugged too much when their hugging was only just enough to cover their bases while they sharpened their axes elsewhere. The fact that so few of their members are recruits from war is also impressive.

Overall, I'd say 4zl played the smartest game, and that's why they'll end up winning this world. They coped with their stretched out position through tactful diplomacy and overcame everyone in their path, and in the end that's what matters.
 

DoIKnowYou?

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A-4ZL + Area and NYX

We had been on good terms with Area and Nyx from very early days in this world, and long before it was clear who the dominant Tribe would be.

I for example have been in A-4ZL since I had 700 points, and am now nearly 9 Millions points.

This post is sour grapes.


I don't understand why so many people put Innov down, they have been the underdog since the start, always being massively inferior to 4zl in size, without the added size of the alliances that hug 4zl... bawlz, Nyx etc.

Innov has always had little diplomacy mainly being chess before the time came to merge, they have always stuck beside their allies and aided them in times of need, particular the old tribe =cw=, they are the pinnacle of how a tribe should be run diplomatically, few allies, faithful to their allies and willing to fight to protect itself and expand. Particularly before the chess merge they was a tribe that would fight to gain ground with ongoing fights between innov and fray and they did a good job of it. One could argue that since the chess merge they have become significantly weaker, but i think the merge was more of a mutual agreement that something had to be done about the merge/hug friendly neighbours they had and it was their one chance to make an impact, which sadly failed. So while they played the game diplomatically correct

4zl on the other hand has played the game a much different way, having a much larger diplomacy list, and "hugging" many of the tribes around them, they have merged all their major rivals on this world, area + nyx, which were the 2 tribes that stood a chance to win this world, into them. They have done well conquering their enemies, but that has been mainly because they have waited for tactically good times to attack, this is a testament to their leadership however it also shows that they were to scared to have a challenge on this world, they also have been vastly superior to the majority of their enemies in size and strength.

It's obvious which tactic works better just from looking at the results which in general follows the threads set in the last 20 or so worlds, but i will from now until the end of tribalwars always give praise to those tribes that want to fight rather than merge their way to victory, and that's coming from someone who used to be part of one of these merge friendly tribes, there is something more important than winning, it's to have fun, and people have fun in different ways, some have fun by winning, others have fun by socializing, I on the other hand have fun by being challenged, and this world was never going to be challenging, it was just about being in the right tribe and if you wasn't in the right tribe, sucking up to those that were, not my idea of fun, and in my opinion nothing to congratulate another tribe for.

Just my two cents, feel free to have your own opinion.
 

DoIKnowYou?

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A-4ZL write up.

This is a very accurate description of how things have been, so much so, I think you must have been friends with someone in the Tribe, or must be psychic.

Thank you for the compliments, and not forgetting those whose RL issues meant they could not see the end game out. All of the current and past members have worked very hard, and have contributed to the end result.

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Having never played this world, I know nothing about how good 4zl are as fighters. But their position earlier on certainly demanded a lot from their diplomats. I don't think anyone has any room to say they hugged too much when their hugging was only just enough to cover their bases while they sharpened their axes elsewhere. The fact that so few of their members are recruits from war is also impressive.

Overall, I'd say 4zl played the smartest game, and that's why they'll end up winning this world. They coped with their stretched out position through tactful diplomacy and overcame everyone in their path, and in the end that's what matters.
 

DeletedUser101209

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My threads seem to always get alot of attention <3 4zl? are all nubs! :p i saw that first hand :lol: jokes!

Concerning 4zl? hugging - every top tribe does it. If its not done excessively then im not ever going to be against it. And INNOV are ones to talk (fubar)... you were the king of mass recruiting and hugging back in the day. Where is all ex-Fray/Temp now? :eek:: in your tribe!
Oh yeah lol weren't we at war with fubar temp and fray for months and months? Oh yeah we were, We never mass recruited or hugged many people, All ex temp joined when fubar became friends with us and merged (after we fought them for 2-3 months)

But its ok go back to sucking up to lulz
 

CheshireBloodhound

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Oh yeah lol weren't we at war with fubar temp and fray for months and months? Oh yeah we were, We never mass recruited or hugged many people, All ex temp joined when fubar became friends with us and merged (after we fought them for 2-3 months)

But its ok go back to sucking up to lulz
I think the distinction in the contrast of 'hugging' is making friends with enemies vs. making friends with people that aren't enemies...If you're making friends with an enemy (someone you want to/wanted to noble), it's pretty obvious you've given up on trying to kill them, or they wouldn't be merge bait.

Bernard has no reason to suck up to us, we nobled him too once upon a time. :icon_redface: