Ouch, did i hit a nerve or something? I didn’t play when you and odz fought, only in the end war at which point Q and a few more voted 4-3 in favour of knock over ODZ. Everyone in the council accepted they had gone with the wrong pick after knock had fought hungarians for a month. Everyone. ODZ might not have been the best tribe, they had maybe 5 of value and picking them over the entire knock would have been better. Thats fact, not speculations. I left the council, it was that or Qnforgot his name would apply for ptv. Seeing as that wasnt my intentions.. you know where that left me.