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This may cause miss-understandings and arguments, which I do not want to fall on. If I will see a post which is completely useless saying opposite of my thoughts, I'll ignore it. If I see a contrustive dissagreement, I could reply with either agreeing with it or dissagreeing.
This was made on request of some W42 players - I did my researched, and these are the results, please do enjoy.
Those who think again, this should be here: It should be. These can help each W42 player if they are in dilema how to start the game. And the troops base is the "must" of TW start-ups.
This was made on request of some W42 players - I did my researched, and these are the results, please do enjoy.
Those who think again, this should be here: It should be. These can help each W42 player if they are in dilema how to start the game. And the troops base is the "must" of TW start-ups.
Startup Dilema:
"Light Cavalry or Axemen?"
"Light Cavalry or Axemen?"
Many players confronted me about this issue, that I should talk about it and share my ideas with them. Though, I realize I'm not an expert on every path, but I like to do some researches and ask few players from their expirience, how each unit presented them in future development.
The start-up dilema may always occure in Troops: Axemen or Light Cavalry
Some may answer:
"This is stupid, ofcourse it's the best way to rush for LC and start farming!"
or
"What? How can you leave out Axemen? You can easily clear everything with them at starts!"
or
"Just recruit both - simple..."
The idea is, that all of the answers are correct, but ofcourse in different situations. In order to break our dilema's and make them clear is to present those "different situtations".
1.) World Settings
Every start-up Guide written by a decent player is worthy to read and worthy to folow. We ussualy come onto LC Rush Guides or Resources LVL Guides or Axemen / Spear Farming Guides (there are more, but they don't play any official role in what I'm trying to say).
The thing you need to know is world settings in order to chose correct Guide which will guide you in the best future for your village / +s.
The most used Guide is LC Rush Guide. It's like a General Guide - like for example: "Nike is the general mark for sports dresses, trainers...", but ofcourse we also now Adidas, Puma, and others.
2.) Your Map Location
The Start-up Guide you should chose, should very depend on the Map Location.
Here we include:
CORE - If you land in Core, means your in crowded place with mostly active players surronding you. If you are lucky you could have barbarian near you - but there will be alot players catching that barbarian.
My suggestion is to head for Axemen here - you can create around 20 Spears while reaching Axemen, but they are primary goal for you in the core region. Why?
Axemen are the best offensive unit without a horse - they can easily clear villages in very beginings and they are fast to research = you don't need alot of building to upgrade to get Axemen.
So assure you some Axemen and start cleaning villages + use your additional cca 20 Spears (you can have more ofcourse) to get better Farm Hauls and then go reach LC fast.
Outter-Core - This place is the best way to start if you're not that expirienced player, but have played already few worlds. This is because it grows more peacefully. While Core players will start smashing and clearing villages, in outter-core you'll still be upgrading your VHQ to 5.
The Social research of TW's Outter-core (which is 85% right) tells me, that players who land there aren't 100% aggresively pointed -> because everyone's watcing actions in Core and every player in outter-core thinkgs "Yes! Nobody will attack me, as they are all thrilled what's going up in Core so they won't pay much attention on rushing to troops".
(This has been examined on some other world where I was playing (W15, W32).)
That's why you can take ANY Guide for Outter-Core's progress.
RIM - RIM is two-edged sword. You must be carefull there. Players who join late, are ussualy the ones who know how to play (and that's not because, it's the best to start at RIM, but because they are just simply to bored to go in action at core) and can suprise quite easily.
Either RIM's can be the most peacefull place, with lots of newbies learning how to play properly OR it can turn out into Devil's Lair of demonic suprises.
I would easily suggest which Guide to follow on RIM, but it a lot heavier to decide - especially nowadays. The reason lays, that expirienced players will mostly use Aliases in games and you can't define if they are good or bad players.
IF YOU COULD know that -> the picking up a start-up Guide would be easy: Axemen = For expirienced players surronding you.
Spears = For noob's surronding you
LC = For lonely location (meaning not many villages surrond you).
THE UNENDING FIGHT: Axemen VS Light Cavalry
Many many many players fight over what's best to start with Axemen or Light Cavalry - but you can't just look at the names, because surely LC are much stronger then Axemen by stats.
You must include in your research:
While on the other hand, Light Cavalry easily beats them when you reach them.
The start-up is all about activity and speed in getting Troops
That's right. If you are just two hours more online then your neighbour - you win = he may become your farm.
Where does future lay on: Axemen or Light Cavalry?
If you are looking into distand future - it's very hard to decide. And I write this with already expected counters, because most people are hardcore fans of Light Cavalry - while I think Axemen can bring you a nice future too.
However, combined they are invincible and best attacking units.
So why not chose both Axemen and Light Cavalry already at start?
It is because of resources.
It depends on your luck, where are you located (lots barbs, lots inactive players, lots noob players) => Yes, then free to go and upgrade both of them.
But if you are surronded with good players, who may even attack you first or succesfully defend themselves = resources won't allow you to do both in EXPECTED QUANTITIES.
That's why I say Axemen always for clearing good players = LC will come after them.
"But Sasuke.., ofcourse I'll research Axemen, I think everyone does that! Why are you pointing out the obivous?"
Mr.X, there's a difference in just researching Axemen or activily recruit them!
People ussualy really do research axemen - but then they train around 20 of them and already going for LC - and this is not the same as Activily recruiting Axemen.
Acitivly recruiting Axemen means that you will over 100+ Axemen, before you get Light Cavalry. But ME, I do even more = I go for around 300 Axemen before touching Light Cavalry (ofcourse I educate Scouts when I have 100 Axemen).
It is NOT because they are better - but because I think that those who have defenses will build more Spearfighters then Swordsmen = And Axemen easily overcome Spears, while LC are having troubles with them (At the beginigs, players ussualy really do recruit spearffighers, because of the lack of Iron for Swordsmen). And I always take the chance, that next to me is an expirienced player which needs to be cleared ASAP + it brings me a lighter future, to not recruit that many additional Axemen, while I'll be reaching Nobles (because I always get atleast 1/2 Nuke on my first noble target).
I still suggest everyone to do LC.
Simply because:
And
(These were made on settings for W42 - that's why LC's Time is more beneficial then on slower worlds)
BUT REMEMBER: YOU MUST KNOW WHO ARE YOU SURRONDED WITH + WHAT ARE THE WORLD SETTINGS!
"Strenght is not measured with the army you are walking with - it is measured by comparing your enemies army to your own." - Napoleon
I just wanted to open another debating thread which can bring up usefull information, which couldn't be brough without it - I'm doing it in order to help some people, not to bring spam or anything like that.
Thanks,
Sasuke..
The start-up dilema may always occure in Troops: Axemen or Light Cavalry
Some may answer:
"This is stupid, ofcourse it's the best way to rush for LC and start farming!"
or
"What? How can you leave out Axemen? You can easily clear everything with them at starts!"
or
"Just recruit both - simple..."
The idea is, that all of the answers are correct, but ofcourse in different situations. In order to break our dilema's and make them clear is to present those "different situtations".
1.) World Settings
Every start-up Guide written by a decent player is worthy to read and worthy to folow. We ussualy come onto LC Rush Guides or Resources LVL Guides or Axemen / Spear Farming Guides (there are more, but they don't play any official role in what I'm trying to say).
The thing you need to know is world settings in order to chose correct Guide which will guide you in the best future for your village / +s.
The most used Guide is LC Rush Guide. It's like a General Guide - like for example: "Nike is the general mark for sports dresses, trainers...", but ofcourse we also now Adidas, Puma, and others.
- LC Rush offers us always great farming routes and hauls
- LC Rush offers us fast hauls and strong offenses
- LC Rush offers us eaisest cleaning village while preparing for nobling
- Slow World Speed (0.5 world speed for example)
- Morale World (Altough it's not that importmatn - but meaning your rushed to LC = you have stables = a lot points = low morale on farms = easier loss of troops)
2.) Your Map Location
The Start-up Guide you should chose, should very depend on the Map Location.
Here we include:
- Core
- Outter-Core
- RIM
- Near barbarians villages
- Only players surronding you
- You are almost alone in your 7x7
CORE - If you land in Core, means your in crowded place with mostly active players surronding you. If you are lucky you could have barbarian near you - but there will be alot players catching that barbarian.
My suggestion is to head for Axemen here - you can create around 20 Spears while reaching Axemen, but they are primary goal for you in the core region. Why?
Axemen are the best offensive unit without a horse - they can easily clear villages in very beginings and they are fast to research = you don't need alot of building to upgrade to get Axemen.
So assure you some Axemen and start cleaning villages + use your additional cca 20 Spears (you can have more ofcourse) to get better Farm Hauls and then go reach LC fast.
Outter-Core - This place is the best way to start if you're not that expirienced player, but have played already few worlds. This is because it grows more peacefully. While Core players will start smashing and clearing villages, in outter-core you'll still be upgrading your VHQ to 5.
The Social research of TW's Outter-core (which is 85% right) tells me, that players who land there aren't 100% aggresively pointed -> because everyone's watcing actions in Core and every player in outter-core thinkgs "Yes! Nobody will attack me, as they are all thrilled what's going up in Core so they won't pay much attention on rushing to troops".
(This has been examined on some other world where I was playing (W15, W32).)
That's why you can take ANY Guide for Outter-Core's progress.
RIM - RIM is two-edged sword. You must be carefull there. Players who join late, are ussualy the ones who know how to play (and that's not because, it's the best to start at RIM, but because they are just simply to bored to go in action at core) and can suprise quite easily.
Either RIM's can be the most peacefull place, with lots of newbies learning how to play properly OR it can turn out into Devil's Lair of demonic suprises.
I would easily suggest which Guide to follow on RIM, but it a lot heavier to decide - especially nowadays. The reason lays, that expirienced players will mostly use Aliases in games and you can't define if they are good or bad players.
IF YOU COULD know that -> the picking up a start-up Guide would be easy: Axemen = For expirienced players surronding you.
Spears = For noob's surronding you
LC = For lonely location (meaning not many villages surrond you).
THE UNENDING FIGHT: Axemen VS Light Cavalry
Many many many players fight over what's best to start with Axemen or Light Cavalry - but you can't just look at the names, because surely LC are much stronger then Axemen by stats.
You must include in your research:
- Building needed to research them
- Resources needed to research them
- Time needed to research them
While on the other hand, Light Cavalry easily beats them when you reach them.
The start-up is all about activity and speed in getting Troops
That's right. If you are just two hours more online then your neighbour - you win = he may become your farm.
Where does future lay on: Axemen or Light Cavalry?
If you are looking into distand future - it's very hard to decide. And I write this with already expected counters, because most people are hardcore fans of Light Cavalry - while I think Axemen can bring you a nice future too.
However, combined they are invincible and best attacking units.
So why not chose both Axemen and Light Cavalry already at start?
It is because of resources.
It depends on your luck, where are you located (lots barbs, lots inactive players, lots noob players) => Yes, then free to go and upgrade both of them.
But if you are surronded with good players, who may even attack you first or succesfully defend themselves = resources won't allow you to do both in EXPECTED QUANTITIES.
That's why I say Axemen always for clearing good players = LC will come after them.
"But Sasuke.., ofcourse I'll research Axemen, I think everyone does that! Why are you pointing out the obivous?"
Mr.X, there's a difference in just researching Axemen or activily recruit them!
People ussualy really do research axemen - but then they train around 20 of them and already going for LC - and this is not the same as Activily recruiting Axemen.
Acitivly recruiting Axemen means that you will over 100+ Axemen, before you get Light Cavalry. But ME, I do even more = I go for around 300 Axemen before touching Light Cavalry (ofcourse I educate Scouts when I have 100 Axemen).
It is NOT because they are better - but because I think that those who have defenses will build more Spearfighters then Swordsmen = And Axemen easily overcome Spears, while LC are having troubles with them (At the beginigs, players ussualy really do recruit spearffighers, because of the lack of Iron for Swordsmen). And I always take the chance, that next to me is an expirienced player which needs to be cleared ASAP + it brings me a lighter future, to not recruit that many additional Axemen, while I'll be reaching Nobles (because I always get atleast 1/2 Nuke on my first noble target).
I still suggest everyone to do LC.
Simply because:
And
(These were made on settings for W42 - that's why LC's Time is more beneficial then on slower worlds)
BUT REMEMBER: YOU MUST KNOW WHO ARE YOU SURRONDED WITH + WHAT ARE THE WORLD SETTINGS!
"Strenght is not measured with the army you are walking with - it is measured by comparing your enemies army to your own." - Napoleon
I just wanted to open another debating thread which can bring up usefull information, which couldn't be brough without it - I'm doing it in order to help some people, not to bring spam or anything like that.
Thanks,
Sasuke..
