DNY vs CTRL debate

sean5500

Guest
Both tribes suck, can we end this now?
Yes, I know nothing about CTRL myself but I know they are famous for being the best tribe this world has ever had. In the past I went through stats of world 12 and all evidence points to DNY conquering the world through a lot of recruitment of the top players and just nobling off the players in world 12. I don't know CTRL well enough to compare them in any way but what I heard about CTRL is that they are a good tribe and the facts about DNY is that they got to the top through recruitment of bigger players rather than working their way up from the bottom.

It's like making a tribe in this world now, recruiting the top 100 players, making another tribe called END to hold more players you can't fit and noble anyone who doesn't want to join then claim to be the best tribe in the game. I think if world 10 wanted it could have finished a long time before world 12 but why wreck a world by ending it so early? Keep the players in separate tribes and fight until the end.
 

Floritus

Guest
Sorry sean, but please get this into your head - W10 was not some harder world.
Actually the hardness of a world can't be judged by ODA in any way, nuking a stacked village or nuking inactive players results in a clear difference in ODA where the harder world actually gets less ODA. :icon_wink:
 

Therin

Contributing Poster
Yes, I know nothing about CTRL myself but I know they are famous for being the best tribe this world has ever had. In the past I went through stats of world 12 and all evidence points to DNY conquering the world through a lot of recruitment of the top players and just nobling off the players in world 12. I don't know CTRL well enough to compare them in any way but what I heard about CTRL is that they are a good tribe and the facts about DNY is that they got to the top through recruitment of bigger players rather than working their way up from the bottom.
You do realise that CTRL's and DNY's recruitment are mirrors of one another right? They recruited the best players from the tribes they beat - quite often this meant letting the accounts go barb and having them rejoin on a new account that had no owner.

CTRL never recruited the players from their beaten enemies did they?

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All from tribes they had just beaten. You don't seem to understand how this game actually works in respect to keeping a tribe's activity Sean. Bring me up every instance of DNY's recruitment and I will name the tribe they had just warred and beaten. (Save two occasions - recruitment of a few players of FusioN, their allies, and the END players rejoining).

It's like making a tribe in this world now, recruiting the top 100 players, making another tribe called END to hold more players you can't fit and noble anyone who doesn't want to join then claim to be the best tribe in the game. I think if world 10 wanted it could have finished a long time before world 12 but why wreck a world by ending it so early? Keep the players in separate tribes and fight until the end.
That's a pile of BS and you know it Sean. END were part of DNY, split off because there was a disagreement as to whether to mass delete or not, and then rejoined. No new players, no net gain in either tribe, member count of both tribes combined still able to fit in the same tribe they both came from. They were the same friggin tribe. For the last time - LEARN.

I know I'm becoming less and less civil, but everything said by you, you've said before and was answered in full. Hell, I'm tempted to just go quote previous posts on the matter.

You're a broken record - all of this has been covered. Get some new material - everything you have said so far has been argued against and dissproven, usually due to your lack of knowledge of the world. I could go to any of the other worlds that are closing, flame the winning tribe saying "your world was easy, you recruited to win" etc but 9/10 times I would be wrong, simply because I don't know or understand the background. It's like going to research conference on Photonics with nothing more than a GCSE in Physics. :icon_rolleyes:

Flo said:
Actually the hardness of a world can't be judged by ODA in any way, nuking a stacked village or nuking inactive players results in a clear difference in ODA where the harder world actually gets less ODA.
I know the ODA can't be used, but sean keeps bringing it up as some sort of Holy grail and I felt it necessary to yet again show him that it was not some indicator of a harder world. Unlike Sean I was arguing neither world was particularly harder, so similar ODA's of the top tribes both around for a similar amount of time was to be expected.
 

shambolla2

Guest
Ok sean, let's try to understand a difficult lesson:
END tribe had 83 tribe changes, 39 players joined and then left, 1 joined and then deleted (SYKLON) and 1 player, mojo17017, joined, left, joined and left.
So 41 players are involved in joining END…

you can check it from tw stats, i know that it's difficult, but i'll try to do it for you:

(39 x 2) + (1 x 1) + (1 x 4) = 78 + 1 + 4 = 83


Of all these:
- 1 player, SYKLON, left DNY, joined END and then he deleted
- 1 player when left did not return in DNY (akagunay) and then he deleted
- 1 player (Nastyone) when left END did not come back to DNY
- 4 players were not from DNY and then entered DNY (cleanprophet, Ming Emperor, kostik2007, titan1984)
- 1 player, susie3Qt, was in DNY, left for 1 month and went to PM00 tribe (a tribe for inactives) then went to END and then come back to DNY.
- 1 player, RoyalStearns, is like susie3Qt but when left END he didn’t come back in DNY.
- 2 players, Davewsm2 and Rurik I, were not in DNY and they never come when left END
- 2 players, visit0r and jo.ro, left DNY for inactivity, joined END 1 month later and when left END they come back to DNY


PLAYERS THAT JOINED END TRIBE

LIST OF PLAYERS:

[SPOIL]
1 Rurik I Joined 22nd January 2010 - 07:00 3,432,670
2 Nastyone Joined 22nd January 2010 - 19:00 5,085,218
3 panda03 Joined 04th February 2010 - 16:00 4,871,263
4 Syklon Joined 04th February 2010 - 16:00 16,755,223
5 Rhl3 Joined 04th February 2010 - 16:00 16,601,188
6 mccc Joined 04th February 2010 - 16:00 3,862,641
7 Heavens Joined 04th February 2010 - 16:00 15,421,052
8 Little Flower Joined 04th February 2010 - 16:00 12,299,996
9 Dadacanaidu Joined 04th February 2010 - 16:00 15,690,155
10 mojo17017 Joined 04th February 2010 - 19:00 4,158,314
11 Julius-Caesar Joined 04th February 2010 - 19:00 9,608,241
12 GmZ1990 Joined 04th February 2010 - 19:00 19,315,692
13 Segan Joined 04th February 2010 - 19:00 12,525,500
14 Beavis4040 Joined 04th February 2010 - 22:00 13,474,059
15 fiumani Joined 04th February 2010 - 22:00 7,589,563
16 auseon3 Joined 04th February 2010 - 22:00 14,687,931
17 akagunay Joined 04th February 2010 - 22:00 2,474,073
18 muncius Joined 04th February 2010 - 22:00 7,392,835
19 Valor of Dark World Joined 05th February 2010 - 01:00 8,524,410
20 justice111 Joined 05th February 2010 - 01:00 9,869,108
21 spot29 Joined 05th February 2010 - 04:00 8,365,988
22 cleanprophet Joined 05th February 2010 - 13:00 2,885,444
23 joshuasadler000 Joined 05th February 2010 - 13:00 6,772,200
24 susie3Qt Joined 05th February 2010 - 22:00 2,520,825
25 charmed1 Joined 06th February 2010 - 01:00 12,768,119
26 Slices Right Joined 06th February 2010 - 04:00 11,294,504
27 chewyslowpoke Joined 06th February 2010 - 07:00 2,213,214
28 Jebus16 Joined 06th February 2010 - 16:00 3,526,849
29 PM00 Joined 07th February 2010 - 01:00 21,098,288
30 kurtlarbjk 2 Joined 07th February 2010 - 07:00 14,157,591
31 Ming Emperor Joined 07th February 2010 - 16:00 9,837,790
32 Sudden Death Joined 07th February 2010 - 19:00 22,768,952
33 Davewsm2 Joined 07th February 2010 - 19:00 6,367,878
34 descott Joined 08th February 2010 - 22:00 6,924,061
35 kostik2007 Joined 10th February 2010 - 16:00 4,101,351
36 RoyalStearns Joined 13th February 2010 - 07:00 2,344,925
37 shaqster2008 Joined 17th February 2010 - 19:00 9,108,009
38 napsterbl Joined 18th February 2010 - 01:00 11,535,112
39 visit0r Joined 28th February 2010 - 04:00 7,544,058
40 titan1984 Joined 01st March 2010 - 22:00 11,216,105
41 jo.ro Joined 02nd March 2010 - 01:00 4,639,324
[/SPOIL]

PREVIOUS AND FOLLOWING TRIBE:

1 Rurik I:
[SPOIL]None END 22nd January 2010 - 07:00:01 3,432,670
END None 03rd March 2010 - 22:00:01 3,233,834[/SPOIL]

2 Nastyone
[SPOIL]DNY None 12th January 2010 - 22:00:01 5,233,990
None END 22nd January 2010 - 19:00:02 5,085,218
END None 20th February 2010 - 01:00:02 5,065,758
[/SPOIL]

3 panda03
[SPOIL] DNY END 04th February 2010 - 16:00:01 4,871,263
END None 20th March 2010 - 01:00:01 5,121,542
None DNY 21st March 2010 - 10:00:01 5,121,542 [/SPOIL]

4 Syklon
[SPOIL] DNY END 04th February 2010 - 16:00:01 16,755,223
THEN HE DELETED [/SPOIL]

5 Rhl3
[SPOIL] DNY END 04th February 2010 - 16:00:01 16,601,188
END DNY 18th March 2010 - 22:00:01 19,480,582 [/SPOIL]

6 mccc
[SPOIL] DNY END 04th February 2010 - 16:00:01 3,862,641
END DNY 18th March 2010 - 22:00:01 4,387,001 [/SPOIL]

7 Heavens
[SPOIL] DNY END 04th February 2010 - 16:00:01 15,421,052
END DNY 19th March 2010 - 16:00:01 17,256,836 [/SPOIL]

8 Little Flower
[SPOIL] DNY END 04th February 2010 - 16:00:01 12,299,996
END DNY 21st March 2010 - 19:00:01 14,885,230 [/SPOIL]

9 Dadacanaidu
[SPOIL] DNY END 04th February 2010 - 16:00:01 15,690,155
END DNY 19th March 2010 - 04:00:02 16,883,397 [/SPOIL]

10 mojo17017
[SPOIL] DNY END 04th February 2010 - 19:00:02 4,158,314
END DNY 15th February 2010 - 22:00:02 4,263,254
DNY END 16th February 2010 - 07:00:02 4,284,544
END DNY 19th March 2010 - 01:00:02 4,835,961 [/SPOIL]

11 Julius-Caesar
[SPOIL] DNY END 04th February 2010 - 19:00:02 9,608,241
END DNY 18th March 2010 - 22:00:01 10,156,780 [/SPOIL]

12 GmZ1990
[SPOIL] DNY END 04th February 2010 - 19:00:02 19,315,692
END DNY 18th March 2010 - 22:00:01 23,223,853 [/SPOIL]

13 Segan
[SPOIL] DNY END 04th February 2010 - 19:00:02 12,525,500
END None 19th March 2010 - 01:00:02 13,333,069
None DNY 19th March 2010 - 04:00:02 13,333,112 [/SPOIL]

14 Beavis4040
[SPOIL] DNY END 04th February 2010 - 22:00:02 13,474,059
END DNY 08th February 2010 - 07:00:02 13,474,146 [/SPOIL]

15 fiumani
[SPOIL] DNY END 04th February 2010 - 22:00:02 7,589,563
END None 13th February 2010 - 16:00:02 7,589,563
None DNY 15th February 2010 - 10:00:02 7,589,563 [/SPOIL]

16 auseon3
[SPOIL] DNY END 04th February 2010 - 22:00:02 14,687,931
END None 22nd March 2010 - 04:00:02 15,244,097
None DNY 22nd March 2010 - 16:00:01 15,244,097 [/SPOIL]

17 akagunay
[SPOIL] DNY END 04th February 2010 - 22:00:02 2,474,073
END None 18th March 2010 - 16:00:02 2,574,322 [/SPOIL]

18 muncius
[SPOIL] DNY END 04th February 2010 - 22:00:02 7,392,835
END None 18th March 2010 - 16:00:02 7,471,265 [/SPOIL]

19 Valor of Dark World
[SPOIL] DNY END 05th February 2010 - 01:00:02 8,524,410
END DNY 18th March 2010 - 22:00:01 9,510,592 [/SPOIL]

20 justice111
[SPOIL] DNY END 05th February 2010 - 01:00:02 9,869,108
END DNY 19th March 2010 - 01:00:02 10,563,401 [/SPOIL]

21 spot29
[SPOIL] DNY END 05th February 2010 - 04:00:02 8,365,988
END DNY 20th March 2010 - 01:00:01 9,964,747 [/SPOIL]

22 cleanprophet
[SPOIL] WlfRng END 05th February 2010 - 13:00:01 2,885,444
END DNY 19th March 2010 - 04:00:02 3,138,610 [/SPOIL]

23 joshuasadler000
[SPOIL] DNY None 05th February 2010 - 10:00:01 6,772,200
None END 05th February 2010 - 13:00:01 6,772,200
END DNY 19th March 2010 - 01:00:02 7,436,738 [/SPOIL]

24 susie3Qt
[SPOIL] DNY None 02nd January 2010 - 10:00:01 2,260,007
None PM00 24th January 2010 - 22:00:01 2,341,696
PM00 END 05th February 2010 - 22:00:02 2,520,825
END None 20th March 2010 - 01:00:01 2,590,251
None DNY 20th March 2010 - 22:00:02 2,590,251 [/SPOIL]

25 charmed1
[SPOIL] DNY END 06th February 2010 - 01:00:02 12,768,119
END DNY 19th March 2010 - 10:00:02 13,552,344 [/SPOIL]

26 Slices Right
[SPOIL] DNY END 06th February 2010 - 04:00:01 11,294,504
END None 20th March 2010 - 01:00:01 11,501,840
None DNY 22nd March 2010 - 07:00:02 11,482,042 [/SPOIL]

27 chewyslowpoke
[SPOIL] DNY END 06th February 2010 - 07:00:02 2,213,214
END DNY 19th March 2010 - 22:00:02 2,626,305 [/SPOIL]

28 Jebus16
[SPOIL] DNY END 06th February 2010 - 16:00:02 3,526,849
END DNY 18th March 2010 - 22:00:01 3,590,894 [/SPOIL]

29 PM00
[SPOIL] DNY END 07th February 2010 - 01:00:01 21,098,288
END DNY 21st March 2010 - 19:00:01 23,785,177 [/SPOIL]

30 kurtlarbjk
[SPOIL] DNY END 07th February 2010 - 07:00:02 14,157,591
END DNY 19th March 2010 - 16:00:01 16,998,868 [/SPOIL]

31 Ming Emperor
[SPOIL] PM00 END 07th February 2010 - 16:00:01 9,837,790
END DNY 19th March 2010 - 19:00:02 12,294,746 [/SPOIL]

32 Sudden Death
[SPOIL] DNY END 07th February 2010 - 19:00:02 22,768,952
END DNY 08th February 2010 - 19:00:01 22,770,085 [/SPOIL]

33 Davewsm2
[SPOIL] GOING END 07th February 2010 - 19:00:02 6,367,878
END None 08th February 2010 - 01:00:02 6,328,110 [/SPOIL]

34 descott
[SPOIL] DNY END 08th February 2010 - 22:00:02 6,924,061
END DNY 20th March 2010 - 01:00:01 7,829,010 [/SPOIL]

35 kostik2007
[SPOIL] HOOF END 10th February 2010 - 16:00:02 4,101,351
END None 20th March 2010 - 01:00:01 4,954,275
None DNY 21st March 2010 - 01:00:01 4,954,275 [/SPOIL]

36 RoyalStearns
[SPOIL] DNY None 01st December 2009 - 16:00:02 3,016,812
None PM00 24th January 2010 - 10:00:01 2,949,795
PM00 END 13th February 2010 - 07:00:02 2,344,925
END None 20th March 2010 - 01:00:01 2,344,925 [/SPOIL]

37 shaqster2008
[SPOIL] DNY END 17th February 2010 - 19:00:01 9,108,009
END DNY 19th March 2010 - 07:00:02 10,602,169 [/SPOIL]

38 napsterbl
[SPOIL] DNY END 18th February 2010 - 01:00:02 11,535,112
END DNY 19th March 2010 - 13:00:02 12,718,087 [/SPOIL]

39 visit0r
[SPOIL] DNY None 29th January 2010 - 07:00:01 7,623,546
None END 28th February 2010 - 04:00:01 7,544,058
END DNY 19th March 2010 - 04:00:02 7,694,965 [/SPOIL]

40 titan1984
[SPOIL] A.C.L2 END 01st March 2010 - 22:00:01 11,216,105
END None 20th March 2010 - 01:00:01 11,216,105
None DNY 22nd March 2010 - 16:00:01 11,226,599 [/SPOIL]

41 jo.ro
[SPOIL] DNY None 02nd February 2010 - 22:00:02 4,679,367
None END 02nd March 2010 - 01:00:02 4,639,324
END DNY 19th March 2010 - 01:00:02 4,768,066 [/SPOIL]

for this, you owned me...:icon_confused:
 

sean5500

Guest
Sham, everything you said there is irrelivant to the argument I was having with Therin.

You do realise that CTRL's and DNY's recruitment are mirrors of one another right? They recruited the best players from the tribes they beat - quite often this meant letting the accounts go barb and having them rejoin on a new account that had no owner.

CTRL never recruited the players from their beaten enemies did they?

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All from tribes they had just beaten. You don't seem to understand how this game actually works in respect to keeping a tribe's activity Sean. Bring me up every instance of DNY's recruitment and I will name the tribe they had just warred and beaten. (Save two occasions - recruitment of a few players of FusioN, their allies, and the END players rejoining).
Where did I say CTRL didn't recruit beaten enemies? If we are to compare DNY with CTRL, CTRL would beat a tribe and recruit remaining players that are good enough to join. (Ones who shown they were good enough by fighitng.) DNY would go through their list of allies, pick one "declare war" and then recruit the majority of the bigger players in that tribe before nobling the smaller ones.

That's a pile of BS and you know it Sean. END were part of DNY, split off because there was a disagreement as to whether to mass delete or not, and then rejoined. No new players, no net gain in either tribe, member count of both tribes combined still able to fit in the same tribe they both came from. They were the same friggin tribe. For the last time - LEARN.

I know I'm becoming less and less civil, but everything said by you, you've said before and was answered in full. Hell, I'm tempted to just go quote previous posts on the matter.

You're a broken record - all of this has been covered. Get some new material - everything you have said so far has been argued against and dissproven, usually due to your lack of knowledge of the world. I could go to any of the other worlds that are closing, flame the winning tribe saying "your world was easy, you recruited to win" etc but 9/10 times I would be wrong, simply because I don't know or understand the background. It's like going to research conference on Photonics with nothing more than a GCSE in Physics. :icon_rolleyes:
I didn't say END weren't a split off. Basically what DNY did was start later on in the game by making a tribe and recruiting the top players in the game from already established tribes and nobling the smaller ones, so already they controlled enough territory as most the top tribes used to. I say one thing and you answer as if I said something else and then just because you are saying something correct doesn't mean you are right it just means you are avoiding the point I am making.

I know the ODA can't be used, but sean keeps bringing it up as some sort of Holy grail and I felt it necessary to yet again show him that it was not some indicator of a harder world. Unlike Sean I was arguing neither world was particularly harder, so similar ODA's of the top tribes both around for a similar amount of time was to be expected.
DNY had a few months extra than CTRL, think about the ODA system. When you are small you don't get much ODA, so CTRL's first 3 months of ODA wasn't much in the whole scheme of things. CTRL finished up about 10 months ago, DNY finished around 2 months ago. So that extra 8 months of ODA DNY still didn't catch up to CTRL.

But yeas, ODA is not usually necessary in most cases but I was using it in context. I would have compared points where CTRL had more points than DNY but on the world 12 forums you guys made a fair point you weren't a tribe of points, you worked by nuking your enemy until they quit and you didn't see the point in nobling up the empty barbs. So in that case you should have a very large ODA, but DNY's ODA is low because they did not have many enemies due to the inactivity of the world (which is the whole point I am making) Yes, you can only beat what is in front of you, but DNY did not do this, they recruited what was in front of them and nobled smaller players and easier targets.
 

Therin

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Where did I say CTRL didn't recruit beaten enemies? If we are to compare DNY with CTRL, CTRL would beat a tribe and recruit remaining players that are good enough to join. (Ones who shown they were good enough by fighitng.) DNY would go through their list of allies, pick one "declare war" and then recruit the majority of the bigger players in that tribe before nobling the smaller ones.
See sean, this is where you are just wrong. DNY warred for months, beat the tribe, and then recruited. You seem to be just making stuff up without having actually played the world.

WhereI didn't say END weren't a split off. Basically what DNY did was start later on in the game by making a tribe and recruiting the top players in the game from already established tribes and nobling the smaller ones, so already they controlled enough territory as most the top tribes used to. I say one thing and you answer as if I said something else and then just because you are saying something correct doesn't mean you are right it just means you are avoiding the point I am making.
First off - DNY were created from just two tribes - NUKE|E and NUKE|W, not multiple other tribes as you suggested.

Secondly, it was not a case of recruit the top players. Go read about the formation of DNY, I'm not going to explain it to you other than to say DNY was made up of players who didn't agree with what happened to ET.

DNY had a few months extra than CTRL, think about the ODA system. When you are small you don't get much ODA, so CTRL's first 3 months of ODA wasn't much in the whole scheme of things. CTRL finished up about 10 months ago, DNY finished around 2 months ago. So that extra 8 months of ODA DNY still didn't catch up to CTRL.

But yeas, ODA is not usually necessary in most cases but I was using it in context. I would have compared points where CTRL had more points than DNY but on the world 12 forums you guys made a fair point you weren't a tribe of points, you worked by nuking your enemy until they quit and you didn't see the point in nobling up the empty barbs. So in that case you should have a very large ODA, but DNY's ODA is low because they did not have many enemies due to the inactivity of the world (which is the whole point I am making) Yes, you can only beat what is in front of you, but DNY did not do this, they recruited what was in front of them and nobled smaller players and easier targets.
I'm just going to quote myself seeing as you obviously didn't read it. Only difference is you've gone from "8 months" to 10.

It does not not take 6 months to get to 300-600k. In takes about 3-4 on a speed 1 world. W10/12 were speed 2. 'Nuff said.

Furthermore, where in God's name do you get 8 months from?

CTRL broke up July 1st 2010 give or take a couple of days, W12 closed September 21st 2010. That's less than 3 months... By July 24th they controlled 94% of all villages. I don't think the last 6% (tiny players, small villages, many under 1k) would have given much ODA.
DNY and CTRL have the same ODA! Christ sake....
 

sean5500

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CTRL have higher ODA again I could quote myself. But instead I'll copy and paste:

Yes, ODA is not usually necessary in most cases but I was using it in context. I would have compared how CTRL had more points than DNY but on the world 12 forums you guys made a fair point; you weren't a tribe of points, you worked by nuking your enemy until they quit and you didn't see the point in nobling up the empty barbs. So in that case you should have a very large ODA (having Nuked out all enemies in the world), but DNY's ODA is low because they did not have many enemies due to the inactivity of the world (which is the whole point I am making)

I edited grammar a bit as I was tired then and I still am now. Basically for years CTRL have been considered the best tribe on this game DNY weren't heard of until there last few merges. - It annoys me to see a load of DNY players coming onto different world forums trying to compare themselves to tribes who were much better than them and saying DNY is the best tribe ever on tribalwars.
 

Therin

Contributing Poster
CTRL have higher ODA again I could quote myself. But instead I'll copy and paste:

Yes, ODA is not usually necessary in most cases but I was using it in context. I would have compared how CTRL had more points than DNY but on the world 12 forums you guys made a fair point; you weren't a tribe of points, you worked by nuking your enemy until they quit and you didn't see the point in nobling up the empty barbs. So in that case you should have a very large ODA (having Nuked out all enemies in the world), but DNY's ODA is low because they did not have many enemies due to the inactivity of the world (which is the whole point I am making)

I edited grammar a bit as I was tired then and I still am now. Basically for years CTRL have been considered the best tribe on this game DNY weren't heard of until there last few merges. - It annoys me to see a load of DNY players coming onto different world forums trying to compare themselves to tribes who were much better than them and saying DNY is the best tribe ever on tribalwars.
CTRL and DNY have very similar ODAs. There is a difference of approximately 6.67% - pathetic really.

Sean - I don't know what rock you have been under, but DNY has been a well-known tribe for a long long time.

And yet AGAIN you say "merges". How many times has that been proved wrong Sean? I think we must be into double digits by now...

You'll find plenty of players who go to other worlds and rubbish tribes when they compare them to DNY which is totally justified, but that's different. Seeing as DNY were the most dominating tribe on .net, the first tribe to win a world - that does make them one of the best tribes on .net. Sorry Sean, but for talent, tenacity and overall capability, DNY was one of the top tribes. What puts them above many "great" tribes is the fact they managed to beat inactivity, something most fall to.

You just reek of jealousy.
 

sean5500

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CTRL and DNY have very similar ODAs. There is a difference of approximately 6.67% - pathetic really.

Sean - I don't know what rock you have been under, but DNY has been a well-known tribe for a long long time.

And yet AGAIN you say "merges". How many times has that been proved wrong Sean? I think we must be into double digits by now...

You'll find plenty of players who go to other worlds and rubbish tribes when they compare them to DNY which is totally justified, but that's different. Seeing as DNY were the most dominating tribe on .net, the first tribe to win a world - that does make them one of the best tribes on .net. Sorry Sean, but for talent, tenacity and overall capability, DNY was one of the top tribes. What puts them above many "great" tribes is the fact they managed to beat inactivity, something most fall to.

You just reek of jealousy.
First of all you are not reading the point I am making by ODA. CTRL are known for being a nobling tribe, so they nobled their way to dominate a world. Whereas DNY claim they attacked players through mass-nuking them to make them quit. I think this is about the 3rd or 4th time on this topic I've had to make this point so I'll make it as clear as I can.

Why has CTRL got a higher ODA (not much I don't care what percentage but it's still higher ODA) than DNY if DNY claim to be a tribe who dominate through mass-nuking (a process which will get you a very high ODA)

It doesn't feel like I'm getting my point across when I say it like that. But basically DNY's tactic of playing the game should give them a very high ODA as they are clearing nearly every enemy village. However due to the major inactivity of world 12 there are a lot less active villages and DNY didn't mass-nuke all enemies, many where recruited before their tribe where attacked.

DNY may have been famous for a long time on world 12 but in terms of game-wide fame CTRL were well known, when I quit I had never heard of DNY, I came back this summer and DNY were quite famous for dominating your world, not for skilfully destroying enemies. So I came on your forums and congratulated you guys. I then see posts from your guys in different worlds forums pretty much demanding respect. I was disgusted at this, I did my research and found out you weren't as skilful as you all made out.

For "merges" I know exactly what I am doing when I make that point. I cannot call it recruitment of a beaten enemy when you are recruiting their top players before you've even attacked anyone in their tribe. So the only thing to call it really is a merge.

As for the jealousy phrase at the end. I was waiting for that to be made. If you find the first posts I made in world 12 it was congratulating you guys and earlier egging you on to finish the world and complimenting you. But once all the bullshit got spread over tribalwars forums I then changed my tone. Your arrogance is simlar to all others who go round posting in other worlds forums (kinda what you're doing now)

I'd say Shadow from world 27 were far more dominating than you guys where. Considering how fast they did it and how there were nowhere near as many barbs in there world.
 

Rednecks

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You guys still trying to pound reason into Seans head? :lol:

He does not care at how we actually won the world, all he wants to do is belittle us and find fault with how we won the world. He is to jealous to listen to reason, He thinks he can look at twstats and know exactly how everything happened on W12. He is nothing more than a flamer who will take every opportunity to take a shot at us in any thread. You really want to keep feed that?
 

shambolla2

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You guys still trying to pound reason into Seans head? :lol:

He does not care at how we actually won the world, all he wants to do is belittle us and find fault with how we won the world. He is to jealous to listen to reason, He thinks he can look at twstats and know exactly how everything happened on W12. He is nothing more than a flamer who will take every opportunity to take a shot at us in any thread. You really want to keep feed that?
yes boss, i like give him feed, more he eats more we'll eat when he'll bang in the air :icon_wink:

If you find the first posts I made in world 12 it was congratulating you guys and earlier egging you on to finish the world and complimenting you. But once all the bullshit got spread over tribalwars forums I then changed my tone. Your arrogance is simlar to all others who go round posting in other worlds forums (kinda what you're doing now)
WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is the first post you made in w12 forum so for the first time shut up!

post #42 of congrats DNY, page 3
The reason this is better than World 1 is because it is so inactive so people quit and the speed is a lot faster so people can get more points.. It took me about a year in world 1 to get to 4 mill.. I could have probably been on about 8 mill in a world like this by then.
so dont talk us about respectful post, you dont know what it is.

Sham, everything you said there is irrelivant to the argument I was having with Therin.
WHAT??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

let's see your past posts, and i'm finding only in this convo...

post #2
Yes, worlds where there are 2 or more active tribes that will not merge with each other are still open. Have fun looking at world 12 from the outside like the rest of us. What did you achieve by merging really?
post #4
END was made to hold your overflow of players breaking the member limit and when you whittled down to few enough players you merged back. Whatever END was made for you still merged with them and that is the only point I made, it is either right or wrong and evidently it is right.
wow, 2 post in this 3d talking about merging...
and i dont want to count the original message i quote (yes, i didnt start a new forum, i replied to a message of sirgripho, also if i look as starter of this)

nice to see that when you lose a debate you say you are not talking with me...

then i want to know 1 thing, you have said:
Yes, I know nothing about CTRL myself but I know they are famous for...
and

[...] when I quit I had never heard of DNY...
if so, why are you still opening your mouth?

I then see posts from your guys in different worlds forums pretty much demanding respect. I was disgusted at this, I did my research and found out you weren't as skilful as you all made out.
what a big sensibility, you was disgusted for what? we asked respect when they (or i can say also you) misrespected us, lowering what we have done.

Go find some big account around all worlds of tw, you dont know what means play from 120 point and finish a world.
cy

i dont want to find again in your forum, but it's nice that you are calling in also shadow tribe of w27, they too tried to pimp themselves (trying to say they were the first to conquer all ks) but at least, after a quite convo, they admitted they were wrong.
you still cant do that...
Hope that Santa will carry you a little of wisdom.

ah, i forget to wrote in my previous posts, but i have ever said, i'm not saying CTRL is a bad tribe or a noob tribe, as sean is trying to do with us, i have ever had max respect for CTRL players, it's that i dont like people that are full of themselves, and that dont have title to talk

Rednecks, as asked now i'll go in the shadow, i have more important things to do...
 
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Therin

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First of all you are not reading the point I am making by ODA. CTRL are known for being a nobling tribe, so they nobled their way to dominate a world. Whereas DNY claim they attacked players through mass-nuking them to make them quit. I think this is about the 3rd or 4th time on this topic I've had to make this point so I'll make it as clear as I can.

Why has CTRL got a higher ODA (not much I don't care what percentage but it's still higher ODA) than DNY if DNY claim to be a tribe who dominate through mass-nuking (a process which will get you a very high ODA)
Ok Sean, I'm going to attempt to explain this to you one final time. If you don't understand then I'm just going to give up as your trolling is simply beyond common sense.

First off, the small differences in ODA are meaningless. I can guarantee that if DNY had more ODA than CTRL by the same margin you would suddenly change your tune to "Yeah, but they are pretty much the same therefore DNY can't have nuked" blah blah blah as that is simply what you do as a troll.

They will have the same ODA because both tribes would empty a player of troops via nuking. The difference being CTRL would eat him and DNY would let him go barb. Simples.

It doesn't feel like I'm getting my point across when I say it like that. But basically DNY's tactic of playing the game should give them a very high ODA as they are clearing nearly every enemy village. However due to the major inactivity of world 12 there are a lot less active villages and DNY didn't mass-nuke all enemies, many where recruited before their tribe where attacked.

DNY may have been famous for a long time on world 12 but in terms of game-wide fame CTRL were well known, when I quit I had never heard of DNY, I came back this summer and DNY were quite famous for dominating your world, not for skilfully destroying enemies. So I came on your forums and congratulated you guys. I then see posts from your guys in different worlds forums pretty much demanding respect. I was disgusted at this, I did my research and found out you weren't as skilful as you all made out.
No, it shouldn't. Mass nuke a player and if he is active, he will dodge = little ODA. Mass nuke an inactive player and if he inactive you will wipe him out. Mass nuking an inactive player and leaving him go barb gives the same ODA as if you had systematically cleared each of his villages and nobled them.

For "merges" I know exactly what I am doing when I make that point. I cannot call it recruitment of a beaten enemy when you are recruiting their top players before you've even attacked anyone in their tribe. So the only thing to call it really is a merge.
Proof or admit you're talking out of your arse. If you can name a single occasion where DNY recruited the top players and then warred the tribe (and I'm not talking about recruiting a few players from FusioN and then warring with them like 18 months later when they are part of the PnP family)

As for the jealousy phrase at the end. I was waiting for that to be made. If you find the first posts I made in world 12 it was congratulating you guys and earlier egging you on to finish the world and complimenting you. But once all the bullshit got spread over tribalwars forums I then changed my tone. Your arrogance is simlar to all others who go round posting in other worlds forums (kinda what you're doing now)
Sham made that point quite nicely already - you wouldn't know how go past your jealousy to do so.

I'd say Shadow from world 27 were far more dominating than you guys where. Considering how fast they did it and how there were nowhere near as many barbs in there world.
W27 is less than a third the size than W12. In short, it was a failure of world due to the tribe settings of it where you were auto-assigned a tribe when you joined and couldn't leave for 3 months. It is by far the smallest world on .net, both continent wise and number of villages. Considering there World is a third of the size, perhaps, just perhaps, it shouldn't take them as long. Or is that a little advanced for you? If you look at see that most worlds, including 10, have not yet finished then I really don't think you can talk about the speed at which worlds are closed...

Less barbs?! Maybe in number yes, but there are only 107,444 villages on W27 compared to 336,472 on W12.

Lets do some maths:
W12: Total villages = 336,472 Player owned = 92,765 Barb % = 72.4
W27: Total villages = 107,444 Player owned = 24,726 Barb % = 77.0

What a friggin surprise, Sean has yet again posted BS which I can disprove using TWstats in under a couple of minutes!
 

sean5500

Guest
Wow, I got owned on the whole comparing you guys to world 27 thing. I suppose world 27 was more inactive than world 12, I do apologise. My first post, I am also wrong. Your tribes posts in other worlds was what brought me to be rude on world 12.

Wrong on 2 occasions and I was right on the rest.
 

Professor Oak.

Guest
Intense arguements here.
I played both worlds, both worlds were good in my opinion. Each were fun in their own way. I don't go dragging good tribes in the dirt. Both were great.

The end, thread finished. We don't need to bring numbers into a debate which should really be like "congradulations you finished a world" or "well done fellas, you's really were the best tribe on W10".
 

Therin

Contributing Poster
Wow, I got owned on the whole comparing you guys to world 27 thing. I suppose world 27 was more inactive than world 12, I do apologise. My first post, I am also wrong. Your tribes posts in other worlds was what brought me to be rude on world 12.

Wrong on 2 occasions and I was right on the rest.
Apologies accepted, no harm done.

I think we will have to agree to dissagree :icon_wink:

Merry Christmas.
 

sean5500

Guest
Yes, can't say I'm not glad to see the end of this argument. Two good tribes have figures and facts to back them both up.
 

holyerthanthow

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You do realise that CTRL's and DNY's recruitment are mirrors of one another right? They recruited the best players from the tribes they beat - quite often this meant letting the accounts go barb and having them rejoin on a new account that had no owner.

CTRL never recruited the players from their beaten enemies did they?

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All from tribes they had just beaten. You don't seem to understand how this game actually works in respect to keeping a tribe's activity Sean. Bring me up every instance of DNY's recruitment and I will name the tribe they had just warred and beaten. (Save two occasions - recruitment of a few players of FusioN, their allies, and the END players rejoining).
Umm...who in this group was in a tribe CTRL defeated?

To the best of my knowledge, everyone here was a former member of GTG...an long time CTRL ally that disbanded.
 

Emperor Jon

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Umm...who in this group was in a tribe CTRL defeated?

To the best of my knowledge, everyone here was a former member of GTG...an long time CTRL ally that disbanded.
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those ones came from DDB.

Before they died.