Hotrex v -CKD-

[DeletedUser]

Ants, come on. We were already out of the tribe when he did this:

-CKD- was formed on the 9th. We were already hitting HotRex by the time he came to me with the following.

[spoil][11/08/2013 8:20:17 PM] Without Regrets ٩(●̮̮̃•̃)۶ ๏̯͡๏): shaun
[11/08/2013 8:20:26 PM] Without Regrets ٩(●̮̮̃•̃)۶ ๏̯͡๏): how about u and the other HR guys come back in
[11/08/2013 8:20:34 PM] Without Regrets ٩(●̮̮̃•̃)۶ ๏̯͡๏): and u be duke
[11/08/2013 8:20:36 PM] Without Regrets ٩(●̮̮̃•̃)۶ ๏̯͡๏): or wi be duke
[11/08/2013 8:20:54 PM] Without Regrets ٩(●̮̮̃•̃)۶ ๏̯͡๏): im here to make sure my guys win the world
[11/08/2013 8:21:04 PM] Without Regrets ٩(●̮̮̃•̃)۶ ๏̯͡๏): weather its lead by me or someone else, doesnt really matter to me
[11/08/2013 8:21:44 PM] Without Regrets ٩(●̮̮̃•̃)۶ ๏̯͡๏): and i'll be retiring again soon
[11/08/2013 8:22:05 PM] Without Regrets ٩(●̮̮̃•̃)۶ ๏̯͡๏): its much better solution than now, make friends fight against friends
[11/08/2013 8:23:27 PM] Shaun - Haseo/Pain.Carbon: I dont understand you mate, you just went from Wicked being duke 12 hours ago to asking her to leave to now wanting us back?
[11/08/2013 8:23:58 PM] Shaun - Haseo/Pain.Carbon: I'm confused and I don't get it. You knew I had supporters here and they are the epitome of loyal. You have them too.
[11/08/2013 8:24:03 PM] Without Regrets ٩(●̮̮̃•̃)۶ ๏̯͡๏): i guess i (edit: naughty word) up
[11/08/2013 8:24:12 PM] Without Regrets ٩(●̮̮̃•̃)۶ ๏̯͡๏): i know i have supporters, and i want them to win the world
[11/08/2013 8:24:18 PM] Without Regrets ٩(●̮̮̃•̃)۶ ๏̯͡๏): and i simply dont have the time to lead
[11/08/2013 8:24:21 PM] Without Regrets ٩(●̮̮̃•̃)۶ ๏̯͡๏): and its not fair for them
[11/08/2013 8:24:41 PM] Shaun - Haseo/Pain.Carbon: Well I have been back like 3 weeks and heard nothing from you
[11/08/2013 8:24:53 PM] Shaun - Haseo/Pain.Carbon: Until I decided to leave
[11/08/2013 8:24:54 PM] Without Regrets ٩(●̮̮̃•̃)۶ ๏̯͡๏): so come back with the rest of hr, duke and lead
[11/08/2013 8:25:21 PM] Without Regrets ٩(●̮̮̃•̃)۶ ๏̯͡๏): like i said shaun, i have 2 jobs atm
[11/08/2013 8:25:31 PM] Without Regrets ٩(●̮̮̃•̃)۶ ๏̯͡๏): and i dont really have the time to deal with all the issues
[11/08/2013 8:25:54 PM] Without Regrets ٩(●̮̮̃•̃)۶ ๏̯͡๏): and come on, u were only here 1 week before u left
[11/08/2013 8:26:33 PM] Shaun - Haseo/Pain.Carbon: I was back for longer than that
[11/08/2013 8:26:34 PM] Shaun - Haseo/Pain.Carbon: lol
[11/08/2013 8:26:45 PM] Shaun - Haseo/Pain.Carbon: I was back 1 week
[11/08/2013 8:26:53 PM] Shaun - Haseo/Pain.Carbon: Then my laptop died, took a week to get fixed
[11/08/2013 8:27:00 PM] Shaun - Haseo/Pain.Carbon: Then back 2 weeks and left
[11/08/2013 8:27:00 PM] Shaun - Haseo/Pain.Carbon: lol
[11/08/2013 8:27:10 PM] Without Regrets ٩(●̮̮̃•̃)۶ ๏̯͡๏): lol
[11/08/2013 8:27:19 PM] Without Regrets ٩(●̮̮̃•̃)۶ ๏̯͡๏): so u keen on this?
[11/08/2013 8:28:52 PM] Shaun - Haseo/Pain.Carbon: Why are you chop and changing so much
[11/08/2013 8:29:37 PM] Without Regrets ٩(●̮̮̃•̃)۶ ๏̯͡๏): well i screwed up i guess
[11/08/2013 8:29:45 PM] Without Regrets ٩(●̮̮̃•̃)۶ ๏̯͡๏): and i want to make it right now
[11/08/2013 8:30:03 PM] Shaun - Haseo/Pain.Carbon: Times gone for that mate, when you asked Wicked to leave
[11/08/2013 8:30:09 PM] Shaun - Haseo/Pain.Carbon: She is better off here
[11/08/2013 8:30:17 PM] Shaun - Haseo/Pain.Carbon: Than where she was treated like poo <edited the naughty word>
[11/08/2013 8:30:27 PM] Without Regrets ٩(●̮̮̃•̃)۶ ๏̯͡๏): cant all of u come back here?
[11/08/2013 8:30:41 PM] Without Regrets ٩(●̮̮̃•̃)۶ ๏̯͡๏): with u being duke
[11/08/2013 8:30:44 PM] Without Regrets ٩(●̮̮̃•̃)۶ ๏̯͡๏): cant see her getting those issues

[11/08/2013 8:33:21 PM] Without Regrets ٩(●̮̮̃•̃)۶ ๏̯͡๏): i'll like u and the other hr members that left to come back
[11/08/2013 8:33:25 PM] Without Regrets ٩(●̮̮̃•̃)۶ ๏̯͡๏): and u can duke
[11/08/2013 8:33:46 PM] Without Regrets ٩(●̮̮̃•̃)۶ ๏̯͡๏): and i'll either be gifting my acc or letting it be internalled
[11/08/2013 8:34:05 PM] Without Regrets ٩(●̮̮̃•̃)۶ ๏̯͡๏): would reflect badly on me
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And then there is the discussion we had after that.

[spoil][12/08/2013 12:20:05 AM] al haji rasul al masiha: [Sunday, 11 August 2013 3:03 PM] Without Regrets ٩(●̮̮̃•̃)۶ ๏̯͡๏):

<<< ants u there?
i was thinking
perhaps you want to be duke?
that might be a much better option now tbh
[12/08/2013 12:20:12 AM] Shaun - Haseo/Pain.Carbon: Really?
[12/08/2013 12:20:18 AM] Shaun - Haseo/Pain.Carbon: He asked me to come back and be duke
[12/08/2013 12:20:29 AM] Shaun - Haseo/Pain.Carbon: And he asked wicked 12 hours before he asked her to leave
[12/08/2013 12:20:37 AM] Shaun - Haseo/Pain.Carbon: Which is why she is with me now in CKD
[12/08/2013 12:21:02 AM] al haji rasul al masiha: [Sunday, 11 August 2013 6:51 PM] Without Regrets ٩(●̮̮̃•̃)۶ ๏̯͡๏):

<<< else i'll talk to shaun and see if we can settle our differences
but i've talked to him a few times and it didnt went well
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And then this one:

[spoil]al haji rasul al masiha
[12/08/2013 12:42:01 AM] al haji rasul al masiha: [Monday, 12 August 2013 12:39 AM] Without Regrets ٩(●̮̮̃•̃)۶ ๏̯͡๏):

<<< so right now the choices are:
1) ants become duke
2) find someone else to be duke
3) reconcil with shaun and maybe let him be duke?
im not too sure if there will be anyone else interested to be duke, esp with the current situation the tribe is in
so chances are our choice are mainly #1 or #3
[12/08/2013 12:42:40 AM] al haji rasul al masiha: you want to be duke?
[12/08/2013 12:42:45 AM] al haji rasul al masiha:
[12/08/2013 12:42:50 AM] Shaun - Haseo/Pain.Carbon: I already am one
[12/08/2013 12:43:28 AM] al haji rasul al masiha: so was fallen
[12/08/2013 12:44:07 AM] al haji rasul al masiha: you want to lead his mates rather than hr and mw?
[12/08/2013 12:44:10 AM] Shaun - Haseo/Pain.Carbon: Still is.
[12/08/2013 12:44:31 AM] al haji rasul al masiha: i think ti has already been established which are better
[12/08/2013 12:45:11 AM] al haji rasul al masiha: i am not offering you duke of hr btw
[12/08/2013 12:45:23 AM] Shaun - Haseo/Pain.Carbon: I know what you are saying
[12/08/2013 12:45:36 AM] al haji rasul al masiha: i am inquiring if it is something you would be interested in discussing
[12/08/2013 12:45:46 AM] Shaun - Haseo/Pain.Carbon:
[12/08/2013 12:47:11 AM] al haji rasul al masiha: i do not think my terms would be unreasonable if you wanted me backing you
[12/08/2013 12:47:21 AM] al haji rasul al masiha: and obviously if i back you it is yours no question
[12/08/2013 12:48:10 AM] al haji rasul al masiha: could you "save" hr?
[12/08/2013 12:48:14 AM] Shaun - Haseo/Pain.Carbon: It's not just about me anymore though Ants
[12/08/2013 12:48:19 AM] al haji rasul al masiha: idk what are your relations with your mates
[12/08/2013 12:48:26 AM] al haji rasul al masiha: you are attacking them, i know that much
[12/08/2013 12:48:27 AM] al haji rasul al masiha:
[12/08/2013 12:48:27 AM] Shaun - Haseo/Pain.Carbon: Could I? I'm sure I could or would at least give it my best.
[12/08/2013 12:48:34 AM] al haji rasul al masiha: (y)
[12/08/2013 12:48:34 AM] Shaun - Haseo/Pain.Carbon: Im attacking those who attacked me
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Or this one:

[spoil][12/08/2013 1:13:54 PM] Shaun - Haseo/Pain.Carbon: I wont be coming back Ants
[12/08/2013 1:14:13 PM] al haji rasul al masiha: then i guess i will be leading
[12/08/2013 1:15:14 PM] al haji rasul al masiha: ty for making your intentions clear btw
[12/08/2013 1:15:17 PM] al haji rasul al masiha: (bow)
[12/08/2013 1:15:26 PM] al haji rasul al masiha: i will remember it after the day of amnesty
[12/08/2013 1:15:40 PM] al haji rasul al masiha: [Monday, 12 August 2013 1:07 PM] al haji rasul al masiha:

<<< where all that everybody has done right is remembered
all that everybody has done to piss us off is forgotten
[12/08/2013 1:15:53 PM] Shaun - Haseo/Pain.Carbon: I'm not going to forgive a promise made to me that was broken.
[12/08/2013 1:16:01 PM] Shaun - Haseo/Pain.Carbon: And what is offered doesnt change it
[/spoil]


Now, any point you make on that is officially redundant. WR as the duke of HotRex was begging me to come back, and you being made a co-duke clearly looks to be the second choice option.

 

[Deleted User - 4669627]

let me explain why you were offered the leadership, cuz you misunderstand

i told the council i would not lead, in fact i would quit w64 after 1 month
wr was active enough to lead, until half a dozen or so of his mates began attacking their mates
since you were the one causing the problem, you could solve it
so he agreed to make you duke IF i agreed to it

i do not see where he "begged" you to return
i see where he tried to get you to stop screwing over your mates
i see where he even offered you the leadership, not because you deserved or warranted it obviously, but for the sake of the tribe

 

[DeletedUser]

If you agreed to it? Please...

I never screwed over my mates, my true mates came with me. That my friend is called loyalty... something that there isn't enough of in HotRex, only individuality.

You were the second option Ants. Remember that. I will.

 

[Deleted User - 4669627]

meh

you know perfectly well yourself that my plan was always to quit once mw and hr were merged
ofc wr was considering people who had not been planning for months to quit :icon_rolleyes:

[8/11/2013 10:45:10 AM] al haji rasul al masiha: i am not offering you duke of hr btw
[8/11/2013 10:45:23 AM] Shaun - Haseo/Pain.Carbon: I know what you are saying
[8/11/2013 10:45:34 AM] al haji rasul al masiha: i am inquiring if it is something you would be interested in discussing
[8/11/2013 10:45:45 AM] Shaun - Haseo/Pain.Carbon:
[8/11/2013 10:47:10 AM] al haji rasul al masiha: i do not think my terms would be unreasonable if you wanted me backing you
[8/11/2013 10:47:20 AM] al haji rasul al masiha: and obviously if i back you it is yours no question
[8/11/2013 10:48:09 AM] al haji rasul al masiha: could you "save" hr?
[8/11/2013 10:48:13 AM] Shaun - Haseo/Pain.Carbon: It's not just about me anymore though Ants
[8/11/2013 10:48:18 AM] al haji rasul al masiha: idk what are your relations with your mates
[8/11/2013 10:48:24 AM] al haji rasul al masiha: you are attacking them, i know that much
[8/11/2013 10:48:26 AM] al haji rasul al masiha:
[8/11/2013 10:48:26 AM] Shaun - Haseo/Pain.Carbon: Could I? I'm sure I could or would at least give it my best.
[8/11/2013 10:48:33 AM] al haji rasul al masiha: (y)

[8/11/2013 11:13:52 PM] Shaun - Haseo/Pain.Carbon: I wont be coming back Ants
[8/11/2013 11:14:11 PM] al haji rasul al masiha: then i guess i will be leading
[8/11/2013 11:15:12 PM] al haji rasul al masiha: ty for making your intentions clear btw

[8/12/2013 8:09:02 AM] Without Regrets ٩(●̮̮̃•̃)۶ ๏̯͡๏): ants
[8/12/2013 8:09:06 AM] Without Regrets ٩(●̮̮̃•̃)۶ ๏̯͡๏): how about it?
[8/12/2013 8:09:12 AM] Without Regrets ٩(●̮̮̃•̃)۶ ๏̯͡๏): u able to take over as duke?
[8/12/2013 8:09:23 AM] Without Regrets ٩(●̮̮̃•̃)۶ ๏̯͡๏): honestly i think that is a better option as compared to having shaun as one
[8/12/2013 8:09:34 AM] Without Regrets ٩(●̮̮̃•̃)۶ ๏̯͡๏): but obviously that will depend on if u have the time

[8/12/2013 8:56:06 AM] al haji rasul al masiha: simple
[8/12/2013 8:56:13 AM] Without Regrets ٩(●̮̮̃•̃)۶ ๏̯͡๏): hmmm
[8/12/2013 8:56:17 AM] Without Regrets ٩(●̮̮̃•̃)۶ ๏̯͡๏): we can co duke
[8/12/2013 8:56:40 AM] al haji rasul al masiha: (handshake)
[8/12/2013 8:56:41 AM] erig: (nod)
[8/12/2013 8:56:50 AM] Without Regrets ٩(●̮̮̃•̃)۶ ๏̯͡๏): awesome

why was he offering to you? because i was refusing
everybody understood i was quitting, yourself included
in fact, check the dates when i told you i would lead and the day i told hr
you knew i had agreed for a full day before they did

it is all perfectly clear mate
wr knew there was no chance that i would agree to lead, i was quitting
the only way i would accept a leadership role is if there was no other viable option
yourself included

wr was willing to make you duke in order to keep the tribe together
i was willing to make you duke in order to avoid being duke myself
we were willing to do what was needed for the sake of unity
that is why we lead

you refused the offer to lead your mates, but accepted the offer to lead your enemies against your mates
obviously you were never the choice of anybody except those who left to join you :icon_rolleyes:

you were an acceptable compromise, if it kept unity and you did not abuse your position
you were an acceptable compromise, if i said you were

 

[DeletedUser]

Good luck in the war to both sides. Gotta cheer extra for my mates in -CKD- though. This sure brought excitement to world 64 again :icon_smile:

 

[DeletedUser]

 

[Alf Hucker]

hr and mw did less recruiting than anybody
we did not create a family
we had less diplomacy than anybody
we did not teach our mates to cheat, we discouraged it
we did not backstab the few tribes we had diplomacy with
we did not gangbang tribes
we did not lie

Hahaha, shahyd comes out with some classics!

/me goes back to no chance

@Angels Fury, you should check some of your members before criticising others of "betrayal" :icon_smile:

 

[DeletedUser98637]

Isn't that exactly what ~MW~ did by recruiting the ~@~ members? I think you will find it happens.

I never betrayed HotRex. I told them what was happening and when the decision wasn't made by a leader who clearly stated to me multiple times he didn't have the time to run the tribe, I acted upon my word and left. I also waited a few days before I launched. And it was expected others would leave with me, as he planned for that. Hell, he even had intel, false but albeit still intel, that there was multiple HR members unhappy with how the tribe was going.

Didn't stop hima sking Wicked to become duke then less than a day later, ask her to leave and join -CKD-. Also didn't stop him asking me to bring everyone back and become duke though. Multiple times. And success? Didn't know merging was a success to be honest.

At least I achieved what I set out to do and end the staleness of this world and bring back excitement. Maybe now HotRex can prove it amounts to something lead by Ants... although given how well MW did against Fear, I would doubt it. Being that Fear is still around and that...

#endofstory #fightthewaryougirl #crybabies #omgsomeoneleftmytribeontwandstartedattackingmyfriendsandi #warooohahhhwhatisitgoodfor

BRAVO BRAVO someone who speaks the way it is. HR did exactly this when at the start of this world took in players from tribes which players then set upon players they had been in a tribe with. HR only recruit players who are big enough in points so that they can win this world without actually doing what they should as a tribe and fight but are a tribe of individuals.

Pits correct that MW took the same policy that instead of fighting, they cherry picked the big players to not only take over several continents they also as soon as they took in them players from ~a~ they then declared on them with their new members to start attacking their old tribemates.

Need I mention Cliveuk who got asked to join you then started taking villages from fear? I'm sure your all capable enough of looking at the stats yourselves instead of me posting up the stats.

So really MW and HR really have no room to talk with regards to betrayal.
Up the revolution that's what I say

 

[DeletedUser62294]

BRAVO BRAVO someone who speaks the way it is. HR did exactly this when at the start of this world took in players from tribes which players then set upon players they had been in a tribe with. HR only recruit players who are big enough in points so that they can win this world without actually doing what they should as a tribe and fight but are a tribe of individuals.

Pits correct that MW took the same policy that instead of fighting, they cherry picked the big players to not only take over several continents they also as soon as they took in them players from ~a~ they then declared on them with their new members to start attacking their old tribemates.

Need I mention Cliveuk who got asked to join you then started taking villages from fear? I'm sure your all capable enough of looking at the stats yourselves instead of me posting up the stats.

So really MW and HR really have no room to talk with regards to betrayal.
Up the revolution that's what I say

No one said anything that there hadn't been recruits for MW or HotRex that attacked ex tribemates but also not many of those recruits were in a tribe for 6months before flipping sides. Like I said at the end of the day who cares whats done is down people choose their sides and the game goes on.

 

[DeletedUser]

No one said anything that there hadn't been recruits for MW or HotRex that attacked ex tribemates but also not many of those recruits were in a tribe for 6months before flipping sides. Like I said at the end of the day who cares whats done is down people choose their sides and the game goes on.

Judging by this:

With the added betrayal of 7 HotRex or exmembers of HotRex it also scews the war stats for the beginning of the war.

And this:

So leaving a tribe to join with enemies to attack your old tribe is not betrayal? I'm not going to insult your intelligence but that is exactly what betrayal is. Possibly if the players in question were new recruits it could be termed as something different. However, you yourself were in HotRex for 6months so I will let others make their own opinion.

And this:

Are you guys already looking for justification for your actions? Policy disagreements as pain.carbon didn't get his way and was upset about it so began plotting against HotRex. Just call it what it is betrayal of a tribe where 7 players spent 6 months. Does it matter no it doesn't the tables have been set so the game will go on.

And this:

I would like to point out some things. First where was I shit talking anyone? I said you and a group of players betrayed your old tribe. This statement is indeed true you left a tribe to attack it that is called betrayal. <edited out the crap>

However, I never like to see players en masse hop tribes and gain an advantage attacking their old tribe.

It would seem that at the end of the day, you care a lot. Now... what account do you play on w64?

 

[DeletedUser62294]

Where does any of those quotes say I care? They're all facts that you and your group of buddies betrayed HotRex again not a lie not an overstatement just a fact. If you can't handle that you should not have done it.

 

[DeletedUser107667]

Hey, Furry Angel, why are you so shy on your account name?

 

[DeletedUser]

Where does any of those quotes say I care? They're all facts that you and your group of buddies betrayed HotRex again not a lie not an overstatement just a fact. If you can't handle that you should not have done it.

There is not 1 single fact there. The only fact that I can take from each of those is that you care enough to continue on about it. over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over.


Move on dude, we left. We didn't betray anyone. I told WR I would leave. He chose to ignore me. I stuck to my word. unlike him, I don't need to tell lies about it. That is the difference between myself and him, I stick to my word.

 

[DeletedUser]

It all started when pain.carbon came back after a 2 months absence due to injuries to both body and computer. To cut the dry parts short, he basically want decwaaan to be kicked from the tribe and forcefully internalled because he had issues with him from months before. (talk about being petty!) I refused because there's no way I'm going to kick anyone just because another player says so.

Knowing that dec is not going to be removed from the tribe, he left the tribe on 1 aug. Both dec and I talked to him to see if we can some to some solutions without any one leaving but pain is intent on taking out dec.

Then, my spy who is a TRI council showed me this thread from TRI hidden forums that's pretty much available to just the coucil:

Without being too specific about the details because I've been asked to keep it to myself there is the possibility of forming a new tribe that would come together from TRI, Ex and approx 6 big HotRex players.
As mentioned I've been asked to keep it to myself but it's not the kind of decision I'm comfortable making without some discussion first.

Sits/inactives and players that don't quite make the cut would move in to a 2nd tribe (so it would effectively start life as a family but the plan would be to trim back to 1 tribe as rapidly as possible).
Some players just wouldn't make it, purely because the new tribe would be formed to be active/aggressive and go straight after ~MW~ to make sure they don't just recruit what remains of HotRex and get straight to 60%.

This thread is made on the 31st of July. So yes, Pain planned for this even before he left the tribe.

Then on 3rd aug, more intel pop up:

Silverspork today at 16:02
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I am guessing pain.carbon is one of them, or am I way off? just seeing him out of HR makes me wonder, and on a side note, what type of #'s will be leaving there and ex to go along with us?
The Lish today at 16:20
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He is one of them.
Rough numbers only at the moment ..
6 from HR - leaves us with 44 spaces ..
then most of Ex and a lot of TRI

Meaning approx 22 each from from Ex and TRI in to the tribe currently known as CKD (name has not been discussed but I'm not too fussed with that bit of the detail!)

Did the HR members that left for CKD planned for this beforehand? You can decide after reading this next post.

[COLOR=#000000][FONT=Verdana][02/08/2013 05:03:16] Shaun - Haseo/Pain.Carbon: I told you I would leave if someone who didnt do his part for the tribe wasnt internalled and you choose that option. Enjoy the merge.
[02/08/2013 05:03:40] Shaun - Haseo/Pain.Carbon: If you think it's 2-3 people, you are dreaming big time.
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Just what kind of person is shaun? I'll let someone in CKD tell you.

oh and forgot to tell you, iamhokage eas dismissed
[10:26:00] ascension-tw: they caught him spying
[10:26:17] Floadi Tavi: i sent def troops last night like you asked me
[10:26:37] ascension-tw: i told him i'll keep it there
[10:26:43] ascension-tw: hes alone right now
[10:26:48] ascension-tw: Pain carbon sold him out
[10:26:50] ascension-tw: to lish
[10:26:53] Floadi Tavi: i know
[10:27:01] ascension-tw: did he tell you?
[10:27:02 | Editat 10:27:15] Floadi Tavi: he trust too much pain carbon
[10:27:17] ascension-tw: Pain carbon is really a terrible player
[10:27:26] ascension-tw: he left ripofer and olrak in the HR merge
[10:27:26] ascension-tw: and nobled the,
[10:27:29] ascension-tw: them*
[10:27:37] ascension-tw: now he sells out hokage

Hokkage was a friend of pain carbon since W36 and to think he would sell out someone he knew a long time ago? There are people out there who will do anything to strike it rich, I guess pain is such a person, but to win TW instead. I might just add he's not just someone who would sell out a friend but someone who would drag a friend through dirt as well.

 

[DeletedUser]

Let's start this at the top.

It all started when pain.carbon came back after a 2 months absence due to injuries to both body and computer. To cut the dry parts short, he basically want decwaaan to be kicked from the tribe and forcefully internalled because he had issues with him from months before. (talk about being petty!) I refused because there's no way I'm going to kick anyone just because another player says so.

Correct, a player who repeatedly nobled bashers of mine, ignored my area and threatened after blocking me so I could not respond. Great player. And when he was threatened by Muffins, you know the guy who you made Duke after you retired the first time, that if he continued he would be internalled and told that if he nobles in K34 any further I could do what I wanted to him, he said he was no longer participating in the war with Ex...

But let's check something:

[spoil][25/07/2013 12:07:53 AM] Shaun - Haseo/Pain.Carbon: Honestly
[25/07/2013 12:08:10 AM] Shaun - Haseo/Pain.Carbon: Can we keep this between you and I
[25/07/2013 12:08:24 AM] Trouble: Sure
[25/07/2013 12:09:22 AM] Shaun - Haseo/Pain.Carbon: I have lost faith in WR as duke
[25/07/2013 12:09:35 AM] Shaun - Haseo/Pain.Carbon: Im not saying it should be me, not that AT ALL.
[25/07/2013 12:09:47 AM] Shaun - Haseo/Pain.Carbon: There was a time though that he was on top of everything
[25/07/2013 12:10:07 AM] Shaun - Haseo/Pain.Carbon: But now he is slipping big time and I'm not happy with it. Its made this world REALLY stale
[25/07/2013 12:11:50 AM] Trouble: Yes the first time WR was leading he did so with a much stronger conviction, since returning maybe its not been as much, not as active as he once was but i do believe he is doing a better job than anyone else willing to lead could achieve
[25/07/2013 12:12:13 AM | Edited 12:12:16 AM] Trouble: Have you tried talking to WR directly regarding your concerns?
[25/07/2013 12:13:25 AM] Shaun - Haseo/Pain.Carbon: He just says I see your point and then nothing changes. My interest has basically diminished because of it to the point if I dont log in I wouldnt care
[25/07/2013 12:14:53 AM] Trouble: That is a big shame & do wish there was something i could do to help you to get things back to a point where as you do care again & are wanting to fight for this tribe & regain the fun you once were having on this world
[25/07/2013 12:15:21 AM] Shaun - Haseo/Pain.Carbon: In all honesty I just want to leave HotRex and fight decwaaan
[25/07/2013 12:15:29 AM] Shaun - Haseo/Pain.Carbon: Not anyone else, just decwaaan
[25/07/2013 12:15:31 AM] Shaun - Haseo/Pain.Carbon: To get it back
[25/07/2013 12:16:57 AM] Trouble: Well in due course you will get your chance to fight decwaan, i am fairly sure he will be one of those put up to be forcefully internalled, at that time you will get to fully unleash on them, they have not been pulling there weight for a long time now & has even been pissing me off
[25/07/2013 12:17:27 AM] Shaun - Haseo/Pain.Carbon: Its the waiting side of things for it to happen plus I have beef with him
[25/07/2013 12:17:36 AM] Shaun - Haseo/Pain.Carbon: I cant noble it all but I just want to crush the guy
[25/07/2013 12:19:55 AM] Trouble: Yeah i understand that, what we can do is at least try to get him as the next to be listed as a forceful internal, but in the end it comes down to a council choice not only my own, i know dec has made several enemies within the tribe, fearn also doesn't get along with them at all
[25/07/2013 12:22:39 AM] Trouble: Ok just mentioned dec to WR, not the other stuff you asked to keep between us just the whole dec situation
[25/07/2013 12:23:34 AM] Shaun - Haseo/Pain.Carbon: Thanks mate
[25/07/2013 12:23:35 AM] Trouble: [Thursday, 25 July 2013 12:18 AM] Without Regrets ٩(●̮̮̃•̃)۶ ๏̯͡๏):

<<< like in a week or 2
just say i said that dec will be the next out as he took minimal vills off ex
[25/07/2013 12:26:08 AM] Trouble: Not a problem, i am always willing to do my utmost to help the good players in the tribe especially if it may bring back there passion to the game, so 1-2 weeks is the estimated time for dec[/spoil]

There is me discussing it with a council member and you saying a time frame. I never threatened to do anything. I said what I felt like doing. I was given a time frame and given that I could see council sections, and I seen that it hadn't progressed further than the exact same crap that spills from you... empty words... I acted on it and left.

Need I get the logs from the HotRex players who said that leaving him in the tribe was ridiculous? Because he never did anything?

Knowing that dec is not going to be removed from the tribe, he left the tribe on 1 aug. Both dec and I talked to him to see if we can some to some solutions without any one leaving but pain is intent on taking out dec.

Oh, so you are admitting you are a liar then? Because right up there, you said he was going to be next... So you lied?

[spoil][10/08/2013 1:56:54 PM] Shaun - Haseo/Pain.Carbon: If I am told he is leaving and given I said Im going to forcefully do it otherwise
[10/08/2013 1:57:04 PM] Shaun - Haseo/Pain.Carbon: Then he is decided to be kept\
[10/08/2013 1:57:10 PM] Shaun - Haseo/Pain.Carbon: Dont you think I deserve to be told that?
[10/08/2013 1:59:19 PM] Without Regrets ٩(●̮̮̃•̃)۶ ๏̯͡๏): too much what ifs eh
[10/08/2013 2:00:38 PM] Shaun - Haseo/Pain.Carbon: Can only be told empty things so many times mate before the end of the line come.
[10/08/2013 2:01:02 PM] Shaun - Haseo/Pain.Carbon: No offense intended but promises made by someone else and then those from you (not promises though)
[10/08/2013 2:01:09 PM] Shaun - Haseo/Pain.Carbon: Gotta draw a line somewhere
[10/08/2013 2:01:30 PM] Without Regrets ٩(●̮̮̃•̃)۶ ๏̯͡๏): you were not told many empty things before you left the tribe u know
[10/08/2013 2:01:31 PM] Without Regrets ٩(●̮̮̃•̃)۶ ๏̯͡๏): just 1
[10/08/2013 2:01:52 PM] Without Regrets ٩(●̮̮̃•̃)۶ ๏̯͡๏): the dec issue[/spoil]

Yes, you are.

Then, my spy who is a TRI council showed me this thread from TRI hidden forums that's pretty much available to just the coucil:

This thread is made on the 31st of July. So yes, Pain planned for this even before he left the tribe.

There was no mention of me in that at all. But yes I had spoken to Lish and said I wasn't happy, wasn't the only one. Wasn't hiding it. He was planning a merge with Ex at the time and offered me a spot if I wanted it should I decide to leave.

Then on 3rd aug, more intel pop up:

I love how I managed to get the duke of the rank 2, 115 million point tribe to agree to that so easily a day after forming -CKD-.

Did the HR members that left for CKD planned for this beforehand? You can decide after reading this next post.

[COLOR=#000000][FONT=Verdana][02/08/2013 05:03:16] Shaun - Haseo/Pain.Carbon: I told you I would leave if someone who didnt do his part for the tribe wasnt internalled and you choose that option. Enjoy the merge.
[02/08/2013 05:03:40] Shaun - Haseo/Pain.Carbon: If you think it's 2-3 people, you are dreaming big time.
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That refers to you leaving Trouble the command that if I leave, he is to start inviting MW. Within half an hour of my leaving, invites went out. Still hadn't heard from you regarding decwaaan or even my leaving the tribe. It was simply stating how many people were unhappy in HotRex exceeded 2-3 people.

Just what kind of person is shaun? I'll let someone in CKD tell you.

I didn't even know who this person was until after the merge. Had never even spoken to them before, ever. Nor had any correspondence. Yet they know who I am? Before the merge? That's pretty amazing. Yes, I seen this before the merge happened and I mailed him regarding it. Was quite interesting hearing that... I must say.

Hokkage was a friend of pain carbon since W36 and to think he would sell out someone he knew a long time ago? There are people out there who will do anything to strike it rich, I guess pain is such a person, but to win TW instead. I might just add he's not just someone who would sell out a friend but someone who would drag a friend through dirt as well.

I didn't burn Hokage.

[spoil][21:03:30] Without Regrets ٩(●̮̮̃•̃)۶ ๏̯͡๏): hokkage got disbanned from tribe?
[21:03:52] Craig Weston: yeh
[21:04:15] Craig Weston: putrid showed lish a convo of his passing along info
[21:04:26] Without Regrets ٩(●̮̮̃•̃)۶ ๏̯͡๏): how did putrid find out?
[21:05:32] Craig Weston: hokkage was passing info to putrid as well, and there is a convo where hokkage told putrid everyone in hotrex he had passed info to
[21:06:47] Without Regrets ٩(●̮̮̃•̃)۶ ๏̯͡๏): geez
[21:06:54] Without Regrets ٩(●̮̮̃•̃)۶ ๏̯͡๏): why would hokkage do something stupid like that
[21:07:08] Craig Weston: he trusted putrid i guess
[21:09:30] Without Regrets ٩(●̮̮̃•̃)۶ ๏̯͡๏): got backstabbed[/spoil]

That is bronzed talking to you. So try again without the lies.

 

[DeletedUser]

From your responses, seems like I hit a spot eh?

I'm getting married at the end of the year. Obviously when you have to consider the time needed on preparations on the wedding itself, a house, honeymoon etc its going to take up a bunch of time. I forseen that and that's why I retired from TW at the start of the year. I came back months later because the tribe was in disarray and while it was not ideal, me returning would have helped stabilized the tribe. If there was a better candidate for duke I wouldn't have returned. Since you have yet to get married I
m not expecting you to understand this. But well, I'm about to be a husband, and first and foremost my job is to ensure that I provide well for my family. And that means putting real life above TW. If that's considered a weakness to you, I have nothing to say.

I didn't burn Hokage.

[05/08/2013 21:55:53] Without Regrets ٩(●̮̮̃•̃)۶ ๏̯͡๏): hey mooshi
[05/08/2013 21:56:10] Without Regrets ٩(●̮̮̃•̃)۶ ๏̯͡๏): my intel from TRI have given me this
[05/08/2013 21:56:13] Without Regrets ٩(●̮̮̃•̃)۶ ๏̯͡๏): this is what lish posted
[05/08/2013 21:56:37] Without Regrets ٩(●̮̮̃•̃)۶ ๏̯͡๏): [05 August 2013 21:31] Without Regrets ٩(●̮̮̃•̃)۶ ๏̯͡๏):


<<< The Lish today at 00:16Thanks Quote
IamHokage has been dismissed,
it's taken a while to come to this decision as a lot of you will probably appreciate .., but information that has come in to my possession over the last couple of days means I have no choice at this stage.


Information leaked from our support forum




- Mooshi-Pascal


Has been passing intel regularly to more than one member of HR
[4/08/2013 8:27:09 AM] Mooshi-Pascal: Some info I gave july 22nd ended up in my dukes mail.
[4/08/2013 8:29:01 AM] Mooshi-Pascal: I don't, might be a skype username of someone in Hotrex.
[4/08/2013 8:29:12 AM] Mooshi-Pascal: Don't know.
[4/08/2013 8:29:55 AM] Mooshi-Pascal: But I'm about screwed in TRI.
[4/08/2013 8:30:10 AM] *****: Are you going to go to HR?
[4/08/2013 8:30:42 AM] Mooshi-Pascal: Don't know yet.
[4/08/2013 8:31:11 AM] Mooshi-Pascal: TRI might give another change, but not sure I can count on that.
[4/08/2013 8:31:51 AM] *****: Well they

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wouldnt want to leave you in the cold after what you have done for them lol Wouldnt surprise me though mate. They aren't the same anymore.
[4/08/2013 8:31:59 AM] *****: Which is why I left.
[4/08/2013 8:32:09 AM] Mooshi-Pascal: I don't have many supporters in TRI.
[4/08/2013 8:32:30 AM] Mooshi-Pascal: I might join you and loudhomer.
[4/08/2013 8:32:45 AM] Mooshi-Pascal: Orbstay solo.
[4/08/2013 8:33:01 AM] Mooshi-Pascal: Stay solo.
[4/08/2013 8:35:45 AM] Mooshi-Pascal: I only gave info to you, wicked, quaddro and without regrets.






Was supporting pain.carbon while pain.carbon was still in HotRex
IamHokagE has withdrawn their support from 0557 Wicked Mine (new) Aug 02,2013 23:44
IamHokagE has withdrawn their support from 0557 Wicked Mine (new) Aug 02,2013 23:44
IamHokagE has withdrawn their support from 0557 Wicked Mine (new) Aug 02,2013 23:44
IamHokagE has withdrawn their support from 0557 Wicked Mine (new) Aug 02,2013 23:44
IamHokagE has withdrawn their support from 0557 Wicked Mine (new) Aug 02,2013 23:44
IamHokagE has withdrawn their support from 0557 Wicked Mine (new) Aug 02,2013 23:44
IamHokagE has withdrawn their support from 0557 Wicked Mine (new) Aug 02,2013 23:44
[05/08/2013 21:58:28] Mooshi-Pascal: That's my convo with Shaun from yesterday, he doesn't know how it got into TRI's hands.
[05/08/2013 21:59:48] Without Regrets ٩(●̮̮̃•̃)۶ ๏̯͡๏): either he showed that convo to someone who showed it to lish
[05/08/2013 21:59:50] Without Regrets ٩(●̮̮̃•̃)۶ ๏̯͡๏): or well....
[05/08/2013 22:01:08] Mooshi-Pascal: Shaun said it could have been his old co.
[05/08/2013 22:02:08] Without Regrets ٩(●̮̮̃•̃)۶ ๏̯͡๏): thats a skype convo
[05/08/2013 22:02:20] Without Regrets ٩(●̮̮̃•̃)۶ ๏̯͡๏): i doubt his old co have his skype password
[05/08/2013 22:02:53] Mooshi-Pascal: Yep, my thoughts exactly.

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In simple terms, if I PM on skype with you, no one except the 2 of us will know the content unless one of us copy paste the content right? So no one would know anything about your conversation with hokkage unless one of you showed it out. And...

[05/08/2013 22:23:06] Without Regrets ٩(●̮̮̃•̃)۶ ๏̯͡๏): because other than you showing that convo to another player or you yourself told lich, there's no other ways that i know of tri getting that ingo
[05/08/2013 22:23:08] Without Regrets ٩(●̮̮̃•̃)۶ ๏̯͡๏): info*
[05/08/2013 22:23:24] Shaun - Haseo/Pain.Carbon: I actually copied the lot into a group chat

Talk about betrayal. Copy pasting confidential info into a group chat and claiming its not your fault it got leaked out. :icon_rolleyes:

 

[DeletedUser]

That is all after he was dismissed or outed as a spy publicly, either way, it was after the fact. I never went to The Lish with anything.


Doesn't change the fact you lied outright and then went on to blame me. It was your poor handling of the situation and deception that got HotRex into the mess it is in now.




Side 1:
Tribes: -CKD-, -RY-
Side 2:
Tribes: HotRex, ~MW~

Timeframe: Forever

Total conquers against opposite side:

Side 1: 309
Side 2: 84
Difference: 225

Points value of total conquers against opposite side:

Side 1: 2,955,430
Side 2: 803,322
Difference: 2,152,108

 

[DeletedUser48517]

Crush! Kill! Destroy!

I think getting someone to spy on their own tribe, or even using unsolicited intel, and then inviting that player later is stupid. You KNOW they will screw you over too right? Once a cheater always a cheater??? I presume thats why this hokage person quit - his guilty conscience.

If YOU dont like your tribe leave! Then try to get recruited into that tribes enemies thru diplomacy and only give old intel, so your old tribe knows what is vulnerable to leakage(ie old stuff) but not new stuff. All this spying kills legitimate war discussion and lessens the quality of the game.

Pain.Carbon shows the way, it took courage to leave a guaranteed winner spot and try to tear out a bloody victory under his own terms.

 

[DeletedUser]

I have no beef with Without Regrets or anything like that, but i'd like to point out some things.

1.

Then, my spy who is a TRI council showed me this thread from TRI hidden forums that's pretty much available to just the coucil:

[6/4/2013 9:13:52 PM] Without Regrets ٩(●̮̮̃•̃)۶ ๏̯͡๏): erm
[6/4/2013 9:13:56 PM] Without Regrets ٩(●̮̮̃•̃)۶ ๏̯͡๏): i didnt place a spy in ur tribe

Really takes the fun out of the game when you use spies, especially when TRI was not even half the size of HR, and we were carrying so much dead/inactive/useless acc's.

And your player jesuswita50cal, so much shit talking in the other thread.

Call me a coward if you want Mr. Bigshot in the end HR is going to win and you are going to get shit on

Where is he now?

2.

oh and forgot to tell you, iamhokage eas dismissed
[10:26:00] ascension-tw: they caught him spying
[10:26:17] Floadi Tavi: i sent def troops last night like you asked me
[10:26:37] ascension-tw: i told him i'll keep it there
[10:26:43] ascension-tw: hes alone right now
[10:26:48] ascension-tw: Pain carbon sold him out
[10:26:50] ascension-tw: to lish
[10:26:53] Floadi Tavi: i know
[10:27:01] ascension-tw: did he tell you?
[10:27:02 | Editat 10:27:15] Floadi Tavi: he trust too much pain carbon
[10:27:17] ascension-tw: Pain carbon is really a terrible player
[10:27:26] ascension-tw: he left ripofer and olrak in the HR merge
[10:27:26] ascension-tw: and nobled the,
[10:27:29] ascension-tw: them*
[10:27:37] ascension-tw: now he sells out hokage

I've spoken to Shaun about it, it turned out to be a misunderstanding. Tbh, i wouldn't even bother to care about the Igouge/HR merge if it wasn't my PA that was left behind.

Just by looking at stats, all the 'lower' point players didn't get an invite.
they were then hit by their former tribe mates.

Ripofer was left behind, yet he was still approached by HR about joining 2 weeks before TRI started the OP on him.
I can't find the mail anymore though.

It looked really like Shaun was a terrible leader from an outsiders point of view.
But he's mailed me about it.

Pain.Carbon on 07.08. at 12:58
They were terrible. Which is why we didn't take them. They never did much to any of us at all, let alone attack me. lol

Pain.Carbon on 07.08. at 09:15

Missing the point. Those that came were active and involved. The ones left behind were those who didn't participate without threats or force. From an outside perspective it may of looked that way. I don't sell out anyone willingly, nor purposefully.

Which is exactly why someone like loudhomer who may of been better as food early on still exists in my cluster the way he does. His participation and dedication has never been brought into question.

I also find it quite funny how you come up to me on skype with this:

i suggest you cover ur ass there
[8/18/2013 2:05:22 AM] Without Regrets ٩(●̮̮̃•̃)۶ ๏̯͡๏): shaun wouldnt like seeing this
[8/18/2013 2:05:56 AM] Without Regrets ٩(●̮̮̃•̃)۶ ๏̯͡๏): while we're enemies i just don't want u to get booted just for voicing out the truth

If you don't want me to get booted for voicing out the 'truth' why did you go and post that conversation on the external forums?

About Iamhokage, i don't know much about the situation other than he was a spy. And we have evidence right here.

The Skype message between me and floadi was leaked out intentionally to hokage, i didn't know at the time though. Flo did it to see where Hokage would pass his info on to, and it ended up with Without Regrets.

I told him i wouldn't hit him and he can keep my support in his villages, but he decides to do the most stupidest thing ever and betray me. What pisses me off even more was that he said HotRex was going to hit him, and he still goes up to HotRex with Intel from TRI.

3.

[21:03:30] Without Regrets ٩(●̮̮̃•̃)۶ ๏̯͡๏): hokkage got disbanned from tribe?
[21:03:52] Craig Weston: yeh
[21:04:15] Craig Weston: putrid showed lish a convo of his passing along info
[21:04:26] Without Regrets ٩(●̮̮̃•̃)۶ ๏̯͡๏): how did putrid find out?
[21:05:32] Craig Weston: hokkage was passing info to putrid as well, and there is a convo where hokkage told putrid everyone in hotrex he had passed info to
[21:06:47] Without Regrets ٩(●̮̮̃•̃)۶ ๏̯͡๏): geez
[21:06:54] Without Regrets ٩(●̮̮̃•̃)۶ ๏̯͡๏): why would hokkage do something stupid like that
[21:07:08] Craig Weston: he trusted putrid i guess
[21:09:30] Without Regrets ٩(●̮̮̃•̃)۶ ๏̯͡๏): got backstabbed

By the time Hokage was dismissed from TRI.

Putrid had already quit for a couple of weeks. The putrid account was going to be up for internals. How is it possible?


4.

In simple terms, if I PM on skype with you, no one except the 2 of us will know the content unless one of us copy paste the content right? So no one would know anything about your conversation with hokkage unless one of you showed it out. And...

Just adding to this, if player A withdraws troops from player B, only player B would get the reports saying player A withdraw troops.

 

[DeletedUser]

Well there we have that. We know now that Without Regrets will lie to his members and will use anything to try and look good still. False information much?

Also, WR... the only person who burnt someone is you when you came on here testifying to your council spy. Council's are small for a reason. You should probably apologize to ReignBlood or send him his guaranteed invite to HR.