i think people are underating Horde, and for good reason. many of the players, myself included never really started warring with BFI because we were a extraordinarily large distance from BFI (it was 2ks plus for some) plus their was no real organized defense, i had tens of thousands of defensive troops out but rarely lost any (translation we where stacking the wrong villages). I think that if a war broke out with a tribe that we had a longer border with (Deceit) Horde would flop like a fish out of water, as opposed to the faking dead that we had against BFI. at least i hope i can put that much trust into my tribe