Its my birthday today (PnP)

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Ripfin

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And I would like to thank CoD for the presents they gave me in villages :icon_biggrin: but made me sad they took one away :icon_cry:

Side 1:
Tribes:
Players: Ripfin

Side 2:
Tribes: $CoD$
Players:

Timeframe: Last week

Total conquers:

Side 1: 36
Side 2: 987
Difference: 951

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Total conquers against opposite side:

Side 1: 2
Side 2: 1
Difference: 1

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Points value of total conquers:

Side 1: 344,505
Side 2: 9,352,039
Difference: 9,007,534

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Points value of total conquers against opposite side:

Side 1: 16,709
Side 2: 8,322
Difference: 8,387

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not too mention the senseless slaughter they allowed me to commit on their villages.
 

alvido

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I'm still surprised you've been able to take 2 villages with your leet nukes. 7222 axes, 3000 lc, 300 rams and you all yourself an experienced player!

We're in an archer world mate, you should learn to use MA :lol:
 

Ripfin

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why? MA's are only good against Archer only defense, if defense has some spear those MA are being slaughtered, but don't worry I do have some MA and archers too, just no need to use them yet.
 

DeletedUser

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Happy Birthday to you/
Happy Birthday to you/
Happy Birthday dear ripfin/
Happy Birthday to you/

:lol:

Ripfin said:
why? MA's are only good against Archer only defense, if defense has some spear those MA are being slaughtered, but don't worry I do have some MA and archers too, just no need to use them yet.
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While it doesn't gain you that much, you should look at the stats. HC and swords are the main MA killing units in a defense. However, when faced with a balanced defensive build, even 300 MA can provide just that little extre punch to your nukes. Look at this post I made for another thread, it shows an axe/LC only nuke, an axe/LC/MA nuke and a pure MA nuke hitting a ballanced defense of 7k spears/7kswords/6k archers:

pyker42 said:
7k spears, 7k swords, and 6k archers
First Nuke Setup:
[spoil]First hit:
Attacker Units: 0 0 6750 0 0 3000 0 0 250 0 0 0 855.000 552.500 1.070.000 20.000
Losses: 0 0 6750 0 0 3000 0 0 250 0 0 0 855.000 552.500 1.070.000 20.000

Defender Units: 7000 7000 0 6000 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1.160.000 600.000 920.000 20.000
Losses: 3757 3757 0 3220 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 622.560 322.020 493.760 10.734
Damage by rams: The wall has been damaged and downgraded from level 20 to level 14


Second hit:
Attacker Units: 0 0 6750 0 0 3000 0 0 250 0 0 0 855.000 552.500 1.070.000 20.000
Losses: 0 0 3814 0 0 1386 0 0 141 0 0 0 444.390 281.220 527.260 10.063

Defender Units: 3243 3243 0 2780 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 537.440 277.980 426.240 9.266
Losses: 3243 3243 0 2780 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 537.440 277.980 426.240 9.266
Damage by rams: The wall has been damaged and downgraded from level 14 to level 0[/spoil]
Total population left of second nuke: 9,937

Second Nuke Setup:
[spoil]First hit:
Attacker Units: 0 0 6250 0 0 2750 300 0 250 0 0 0 868.750 542.500 1.032.500 20.000
Losses: 0 0 6250 0 0 2750 300 0 250 0 0 0 868.750 542.500 1.032.500 20.000

Defender Units: 7000 7000 0 6000 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1.160.000 600.000 920.000 20.000
Losses: 3801 3801 0 3258 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 629.880 325.800 499.560 10.860
Damage by rams: The wall has been damaged and downgraded from level 20 to level 14


Second hit:
Attacker Units: 0 0 6250 0 0 2750 300 0 250 0 0 0 868.750 542.500 1.032.500 20.000
Losses: 0 0 3594 0 0 1293 79 0 144 0 0 0 440.215 273.820 507.660 9.881

Defender Units: 3199 3199 0 2742 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 530.120 274.200 420.440 9.140
Losses: 3199 3199 0 2742 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 530.120 274.200 420.440 9.140
Damage by rams: The wall has been damaged and downgraded from level 14 to level 0[/spoil]
Total population left of second nuke: 10.119

Third Nuke Setup:
[spoil]First hit:
Attacker Units: 0 0 0 0 0 0 3750 0 250 0 0 0 1.012.500 425.000 612.500 20.000
Losses: 0 0 0 0 0 0 3750 0 250 0 0 0 1.012.500 425.000 612.500 20.000

Defender Units: 7000 7000 0 6000 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1.160.000 600.000 920.000 20.000
Losses: 4058 4058 0 3479 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 672.540 347.850 533.380 11.595
Damage by rams: The wall has been damaged and downgraded from level 20 to level 14


Second hit:
Attacker Units: 0 0 0 0 0 0 3750 0 250 0 0 0 1.012.500 425.000 612.500 20.000
Losses: 0 0 0 0 0 0 1497 0 217 0 0 0 439.350 193.100 267.950 8.570

Defender Units: 2942 2942 0 2521 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 487.460 252.150 386.620 8.405
Losses: 2942 2942 0 2521 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 487.460 252.150 386.620 8.405
Damage by rams: The wall has been damaged and downgraded from level 14 to level 0[/spoil]
Total population left of second nuke: 11,430
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Ripfin

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yeah but my avg. defenses are like 7722 spear, 8K sword, 1K scouts and 500 HC, ma doesn';t work so well against those numbers.

I go for what i've found to be the all around best defense plus have flying archer units for that bonus defense, MA are only good against archers so if you have no archers in your defense those MA are only taking up spaces.
 

DeletedUser

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lol, yeah, thats is true, but since you are using a weaker defense, then it doesn't really matter, does it? :icon_wink:
 

thetimeisnow1

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ripfin..but most of the players in this world USE archers. so not having them is stupid. i use to be like you. stubborn and didnt like MA's (although i liked archers). then i opened up my eyes and was able to build a pretty good nuke. (you will see it soon enough).i may have gone a bit heavy on the ma's but its still effective.
 

Ripfin

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thetimeisnow1 said:
ripfin..but most of the players in this world USE archers. so not having them is stupid. i use to be like you. stubborn and didnt like MA's (although i liked archers). then i opened up my eyes and was able to build a pretty good nuke. (you will see it soon enough).i may have gone a bit heavy on the ma's but its still effective.
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if your heavy on the MA's then they will fail since they are only strong against archers, but fail against everything else, MA's were designed to hit archers and only archers, everything else is utter failure.

so far i've seen the attacks that hit me with MA, and the results were pitiful at best.
 

thetimeisnow1

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well i just compared my nukes with other nukes and found out im bout in a good spot with my MA's. you may not have MA's but im not goin to go design my old nuke just for some noob.and whats pitiful is thinking that you will actually succeed on this world with no MAs or archers. thats pitiful.
 

Ripfin

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thetimeisnow1 said:
well i just compared my nukes with other nukes and found out im bout in a good spot with my MA's. you may not have MA's but im not goin to go design my old nuke just for some noob.and whats pitiful is thinking that you will actually succeed on this world with no MAs or archers. thats pitiful.
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Doing better against you.
 

DeletedUser

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Ripfin said:
if your heavy on the MA's then they will fail since they are only strong against archers, but fail against everything else, MA's were designed to hit archers and only archers, everything else is utter failure.

so far i've seen the attacks that hit me with MA, and the results were pitiful at best.
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Time for the simulator. Now, I'm going to use your average defense against two nukes, one without MA, and one with MA. Lets see what happens.


Against no MA
[spoil]First nuke
Attacker Units: 0 0 6750 0 0 3000 0 0 250 0 0 0 855.000 552.500 1.070.000 20.000
Losses: 0 0 6750 0 0 3000 0 0 250 0 0 0 855.000 552.500 1.070.000 20.000

Defender Units: 7222 8000 0 0 1000 0 0 500 0 0 0 0 751.100 581.660 952.220 20.222
Losses: 5842 6472 0 0 809 0 0 404 0 0 0 0 607.510 470.470 770.040 16.356
Damage by rams: The wall has been damaged and downgraded from level 20 to level 11


Second Nuke

Attacker Units: 0 0 6750 0 0 3000 0 0 250 0 0 0 855.000 552.500 1.070.000 20.000
Losses: 0 0 697 0 0 220 0 0 26 0 0 0 77.120 48.110 88.080 1.707

Defender Units: 1380 1528 0 0 191 0 0 96 0 0 0 0 143.590 111.190 182.180 3.866
Losses: 1380 1528 0 0 191 0 0 96 0 0 0 0 143.590 111.190 182.180 3.866
Damage by rams: The wall has been damaged and downgraded from level 11 to level 0 [/spoil]

Total population left of second nuke: 18,293


Against MA
[spoil]First Nuke
Attacker Units: 0 0 6250 0 0 2750 300 0 250 0 0 0 868.750 542.500 1.032.500 20.000
Losses: 0 0 6250 0 0 2750 300 0 250 0 0 0 868.750 542.500 1.032.500 20.000

Defender Units: 7222 8000 0 0 1000 0 0 500 0 0 0 0 751.100 581.660 952.220 20.222
Losses: 5597 6200 0 0 775 0 0 388 0 0 0 0 582.200 450.860 738.270 15.675
Damage by rams: The wall has been damaged and downgraded from level 20 to level 11


Second Nuke
Attacker Units: 0 0 6250 0 0 2750 300 0 250 0 0 0 868.750 542.500 1.032.500 20.000
Losses: 0 0 855 0 0 268 36 0 34 0 0 0 104.000 62.850 113.400 2.277

Defender Units: 1625 1800 0 0 225 0 0 112 0 0 0 0 168.900 130.800 213.950 4.547
Losses: 1625 1800 0 0 225 0 0 112 0 0 0 0 168.900 130.800 213.950 4.547
Damage by rams: The wall has been damaged and downgraded from level 11 to level 0 [/spoil]

Total population left of second nuke: 17,723


So, clearly, your defense sucks whether or not MA are included. It just doesn't suck as horribly if MA are in the nuke. :lol:
 

Ripfin

Guest
pyker42 said:
Time for the simulator. Now, I'm going to use your average defense against two nukes, one without MA, and one with MA. Lets see what happens.


Against no MA
[spoil]First nuke
Attacker Units: 0 0 6750 0 0 3000 0 0 250 0 0 0 855.000 552.500 1.070.000 20.000
Losses: 0 0 6750 0 0 3000 0 0 250 0 0 0 855.000 552.500 1.070.000 20.000

Defender Units: 7222 8000 0 0 1000 0 0 500 0 0 0 0 751.100 581.660 952.220 20.222
Losses: 5842 6472 0 0 809 0 0 404 0 0 0 0 607.510 470.470 770.040 16.356
Damage by rams: The wall has been damaged and downgraded from level 20 to level 11


Second Nuke

Attacker Units: 0 0 6750 0 0 3000 0 0 250 0 0 0 855.000 552.500 1.070.000 20.000
Losses: 0 0 697 0 0 220 0 0 26 0 0 0 77.120 48.110 88.080 1.707

Defender Units: 1380 1528 0 0 191 0 0 96 0 0 0 0 143.590 111.190 182.180 3.866
Losses: 1380 1528 0 0 191 0 0 96 0 0 0 0 143.590 111.190 182.180 3.866
Damage by rams: The wall has been damaged and downgraded from level 11 to level 0 [/spoil]

Total population left of second nuke: 18,293


Against MA
[spoil]First Nuke
Attacker Units: 0 0 6250 0 0 2750 300 0 250 0 0 0 868.750 542.500 1.032.500 20.000
Losses: 0 0 6250 0 0 2750 300 0 250 0 0 0 868.750 542.500 1.032.500 20.000

Defender Units: 7222 8000 0 0 1000 0 0 500 0 0 0 0 751.100 581.660 952.220 20.222
Losses: 5597 6200 0 0 775 0 0 388 0 0 0 0 582.200 450.860 738.270 15.675
Damage by rams: The wall has been damaged and downgraded from level 20 to level 11


Second Nuke
Attacker Units: 0 0 6250 0 0 2750 300 0 250 0 0 0 868.750 542.500 1.032.500 20.000
Losses: 0 0 855 0 0 268 36 0 34 0 0 0 104.000 62.850 113.400 2.277

Defender Units: 1625 1800 0 0 225 0 0 112 0 0 0 0 168.900 130.800 213.950 4.547
Losses: 1625 1800 0 0 225 0 0 112 0 0 0 0 168.900 130.800 213.950 4.547
Damage by rams: The wall has been damaged and downgraded from level 11 to level 0 [/spoil]

Total population left of second nuke: 17,723


So, clearly, your defense sucks whether or not MA are included. It just doesn't suck as horribly if MA are in the nuke. :lol:
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Thats the point, and thats if there is only 1 defense there or if I didn't send a flying unit of 16K archers to it.
 

thetimeisnow1

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i think he is callin your more of a noob...although i dont understand dako to well
 

Ripfin

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thetimeisnow1 said:
i think he is callin your more of a noob...although i dont understand dako to well
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I can't understand this support of yours coming to one of my villages time is now in fact coming from 3 villages of yours indeed.
 

DeletedUser

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I know I'm a little late, but happy B-Day!

As for the "are Ma worth it on archer worlds" comments...

http://en22.tribalwars.net/stat.php

This shows current statistics for the world regarding troop counts. From this, you can more accurately derive a good number of MA in your nukes, or a ratio of MA : normal nukes villages.



Also, just because he doesn't have pure scout villages and that he balances them throughout his villages doesn't make him a noob. It protects his scouts and makes his scouting attacks easier and far more unpredictable. If they were replaced with spears, you would have much different simulator results...about the same as any other D-village build. :icon_wink:
 
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