Metaller vs SCI - The True Story

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It's nice to see that my name starts appearing in w5 forums as well.

I am terribly busy in w14 for now but i guess i will take the time to say a few words since now some threads concern me as well.

So colliny you want me to tell you AGAIN the reasons for my actions?
OK then, here we go.


I left V V Vk for reasons that are none of your business to play a little solo in w5. Asking why etc is just waste of time as there won't be any other answer in "why" than for my own reasons that you certainly don't have to know.



King Patrick II from SCIR0S lost in 2 days 29 villages from my.
But why? You ever imagined that?

When i left V V Vk i becase a VERY GOOD target for SCIOVA and please don't lie. Certainly when you see a 1.9mil point guy (1.6 mil when i left V V Vk) being alone you want to rim him to get many villages is that right?

You started preparing to kill me.
Hermilion sent attacks at my far villages of K49.
The result was this:
Attacker: Hermilion
Village: K39-309. Barb (932|396) K39

Quantity: 0 0 7510 0 0 2467 500 0 200 0 0 0
Losses: 0 0 7510 0 0 2467 500 0 200 0 0 0



Attacker: Hermilion
Village: K39-103.Hola (907|387) K39

Quantity: 0 0 4998 0 0 2173 1066 0 332 0 0 0
Losses: 0 0 4998 0 0 2173 1066 0 332 0 0 0




Attacker: Hermilion
Village: k48-286. Sandy03 (899|404) K48

Quantity: 0 0 6210 0 0 2241 721 0 294 0 0 0
Losses: 0 0 6210 0 0 2241 721 0 294 0 0 0




Attacker: Hermilion
Village: K39-143.Oaks (908|385) K39

Quantity: 0 0 6624 0 0 2329 215 0 200 0 0 0
Losses: 0 0 6624 0 0 2329 215 0 200 0 0 0




Attacker: Hermilion
Village: K48-257. Barbarian village (885|407) K48

Quantity: 0 0 7179 0 0 1580 964 0 300 0 0 0
Losses: 0 0 7179 0 0 1580 964 0 300 0 0 0




Attacker: Hermilion
Village: K48-253. Barbarian village (891|402) K48

Quantity: 0 0 6148 0 0 2252 800 0 300 0 0 0
Losses: 0 0 6148 0 0 2252 800 0 300 0 0 0




Attacker: Hermilion
Village: K48-199. The Realm (880|420) K48

Quantity: 0 0 8098 0 0 2300 280 0 300 0 0 0
Losses: 0 0 8098 0 0 2300 280 0 300 0 0 0




Attacker: Hermilion
Village: K48-122.Mike (867|409) K48

Quantity: 0 0 6157 0 0 2381 677 0 300 0 0 0
Losses: 0 0 6157 0 0 2381 677 0 300 0 0 0




Attacker: Hermilion
Village: K48-301. Fatih (869|407) K48

Quantity: 0 0 8203 0 0 2131 514 0 300 0 0 0
Losses: 0 0 8203 0 0 2131 514 0 300 0 0 0




Attacker: Hermilion
Village: K48-299. MK (872|411) K48

Quantity: 0 0 9302 0 0 2169 238 0 300 0 0 0
Losses: 0 0 9302 0 0 2169 238 0 300 0 0 0




Attacker: Hermilion
Village: K48-302. MK (871|410) K48

Quantity: 0 0 8246 0 0 2059 610 0 227 0 0 0
Losses: 0 0 8246 0 0 2059 610 0 227 0 0 0




Attacker: Hermilion
Village: K16-364. Ocarina Temple (693|126) K16

Quantity: 0 0 3750 0 0 1933 500 0 250 0 0 0
Losses: 0 0 3750 0 0 1933 500 0 250 0 0 0




Attacker: Hermilion
Village: K48-126.Mike (869|412) K48

Quantity: 0 0 6796 0 0 2501 274 0 500 0 0 0
Losses: 0 0 6796 0 0 2501 274 0 500 0 0 0




Attacker: Hermilion
Village: K48-105.summer loving (869|411) K48

Quantity: 0 0 7274 0 0 1645 1097 0 300 10 0 0
Losses: 0 0 7274 0 0 1645 1097 0 300 10 0 0




Attacker: Hermilion
Village: K16-364. Ocarina Temple (693|126) K16

Quantity: 0 0 3750 0 0 1933 500 0 250 0 0 0
Losses: 0 0 3750 0 0 1933 500 0 250 0 0 0




Attacker: Hermilion
Village: K48-129.Mike (874|414) K48

Quantity: 0 0 7401 0 61 2456 366 0 300 0 0 0
Losses: 0 0 7401 0 61 2456 366 0 300 0 0 0



Attacker: Hermilion
Village: K16-367. Outpost Northwest 2 (688|112) K16

Quantity: 0 0 4121 0 0 472 500 0 300 0 0 0
Losses: 0 0 4121 0 0 472 500 0 300 0 0 0



Attacker: Hermilion
Village: K48-119.small gods (872|402) K48

Quantity: 0 0 6489 0 0 1555 1194 0 300 0 0 0
Losses: 0 0 6489 0 0 1555 1194 0 300 0 0 0



Attacker: Hermilion
Village: K48-295. Whiteboy (853|454) K48

Quantity: 0 0 7365 0 0 1855 896 0 300 0 0 0
Losses: 0 0 7365 0 0 1855 896 0 300 0 0 0



Attacker: Hermilion
Village: K49-156.Le Futur Mur (931|404) K49

Quantity: 0 0 15605 0 0 0 0 0 350 0 0 0
Losses: 0 0 15097 0 0 0 0 0 339 0 0 0



Attacker: Hermilion
Village: K48-294. whiteboy (851|452) K48

Quantity: 0 0 5640 0 0 1905 1305 0 200 0 0 0
Losses: 0 0 5640 0 0 1905 1305 0 200 0 0 0



Attacker: Hermilion
Village: K48-104.that hurt (868|409) K48

Quantity: 0 0 6142 0 100 2911 214 0 300 10 0 0
Losses: 0 0 6142 0 100 2911 214 0 300 10 0 0
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I am an aggressive player and i won't stay calm, praying and waiting to get rimmed by the #1 tribe. I will retaliate even if this means i will lose my nukes or in the end i will lose my villages.


So i retaliated and attacked a player of SCIR0S. King Patrick II.
I won't post these reports as this would be useless.


Daftwager came to me and asked my why i attacked his tribe.
Obviously he didn't like my response: "cause i am getting attacked by SCIOVA:icon_biggrin:"


After that incident SCIOVA got confused right?
You thought i started the fight? and you wanted to retaliate my attacks...
While you started attacking me.



So. after killing King Patrick II, SCIOVA started sending many attacks at me.
ONLY nukes and noble trains. no fakes.

If you let me also comment, all your attacks were uncoordinated. Even when you sent noble trains, you either sent 7 uncoordinated nukes, or just 2.

Any player that knows how to defend kills them easily with few losses.

Result of those attacks were 240 failed nukes and about 20 noble trains.
Thank you for boosting my ODD to top100.


I think i explained myself about those attacks.




As for "refugee" terms.
I understand that SCIOVA didn't like the fact that they couldn't take me down so easily so now you "complain" about me being a refugee.

But really what is a refugee? I joined back V V Vk but certainly without the purpose of the attacks against me to stop as they didn't.

I rejoined only because i have friends in there and in other V V V tribes and some players of V V V started attacking me even if i was considered to be "a part of them".

Betrayed by your own people?:icon_eek: No. so i joined back for that reason.

Now yes V V V can say i am a refugee not SCIOVA lol:lol:



If there is anything that i left out without a response i didn't do it on purpose. Ask me and i will answer. thank you and good evening to you all.
 
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Tis funny... King Patrick II is about to suicide a noble train on me in 10 minutes.

I think he's recovering from your victory by trying to take me out :lol:
 

DeletedUser

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Metaller is great :d

I wondered when you would post the full story here mate, well done on it very good post.

Is always better to hear information from the horses mouth instead of from others trying to twist things around :D
 

DeletedUser

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I love people who respond like this. They respond defending things we weren't accusing them of. First off, I didn't ask you Why again. You already told me, and I believed you (as I said in the other forum). Secondly, you say you left VVVk to play solo...and that's perfectly fine. We saw a new target and attacked. Also, perfectly fine. I definitely would not say you are an ideal target for SCIOVA like you claim though...only 1 of our players is really close to you...to which he's about the same size as you. And knowing you, you have majority Defensive villages. That's not really ideal. Given, without an ally tribe in the area, you would fall in time regardless since we surround you (although with gaps). Anyways, your attackability is not important in this matter, so I digress.

You are defending your reason for attacking SCIR0S, but you are perfectly allowed to attack them while not in a allied tribe. I don't argue that.

And yes, originally there was a bit of confusion to the reasons of your attacks. This is because I asked KAT what was going on regarding everything. This was before I knew Hermillion attacked you (which was perfectly reasonable since you left VVVk). KAT than started explaining what he thought happened...to which he believed metaller had a long-going grievance with King Patrick and was the reason for him attacking him...then tried to defend his actions basing it on the fact that King Patrick was a sim-city player (which wouldn't matter in the case of attacking an ally). Of course, this was all based on something that didn't happen (there was no grievance between metaller and king patrick) . This and a whole lot of other things said by kat gave us the impression that metaller left vvvk only to attack king patrick (not true, but this is what we were being told by kat...who understandably, just made a few bad assumptions...to which I can easily forgive). Eventually, I mailed metaller and asked him myself. He told me what actually happened...or at least most of it. He said he wanted to play Solo and expand...so seeing that king patrick was an open target and having been attacked by Hermillion since leaving VVVk...attacked him. All perfectly reasonable, as I said above.

So anyways, knowing all of this. It was still perfectly reasonable for SCIOVA to attack Metaller. After hermillion's original attacks, we made a quick co-attacks thread. Shortly later sent some larger attacks. By the way metaller, I didn't send any nobles (I'm 100 hours away with just rams...to which I might add did a lot of damage)...though I'm guessing you may be referring to somebody elses attacks.

So onto the real issue that SCI has with all of this:
The problem is, whether or not anybody considers you a refugee...that's not really relevant because it's just a term. The fact is you left VVVk to play solo (according to your own words). You than become under attack by SCI. You than rejoin VVVk. All of this happening in less than a week. Who leaves a tribe to play "solo" for a single week? No offense, but if you really left to play solo you wouldn't go back a week later. UNLESS, you did it just so you could noble an inactive ally. This, of course, you deny. BUT if you are being truthful, which is possible, it doesn't make any sense to go back to VVVk. You said you went back to VVVk because you have friends there...but when you chose to leave just a week earlier, you knew that you would be leaving them.......right? So how does that make any sense? Regardless of how I put things together, none of it makes any logical sense. The only way it would make sense is if you were trying to cause trouble...and I'd like to not believe that...but unless there is something crazy you aren't telling us, that would appear to be the only real scenario. Now, I'm willing to listen ...so if you can explain how those steps right above make sense, maybe I can understand.
 

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I will ask you to read again what exactly i said. Not because i had friends in V V V but because those friends attacked me by mistake.

"I rejoined only because i have friends in there and in other V V V tribes and some players of V V V started attacking me even if i was considered to be "a part of them"."



As for the failed nukes of course i don't mention only your nukes but nukes of other SCIOVA players as well.
 

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I don't know which specific VVV players you are referring to have attacked you...but some of them may have been very much on purpose as I know some were willing to join SCI co-attack. Other may have been on accident, I can't claim one way or another.

Regardless, here's a better solution. Make your own tribe (I think you did this originally actually) and than have VVVk NAP it.

Rejoining VVVk is just a bad show and knowingly causing trouble.
 

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colliny2k said:
Regardless, here's a better solution. Make your own tribe (I think you did this originally actually) and than have VVVk NAP it.
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Why dont you follow your own advice mate and form your own tribe and ally with sciova?

Maybe your not made of the same stuff as metaller is tho :p
 

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The sad thing is and I know I will get flamed for this but, when you left VVVK you knew very well that in a sea of blue when someone goes red people attack. Thats just plain and simple right there you would do the same and so would KAT.

On to the refugee status thats should be simple too. You knew the risk leaving VVVK and when you got attacked and you had incomming attacks at you from an old allied tribe that makes you a Refugee. Just because we didnt take any villages doesnt make you not a refugee. We in SCIOVA have kicked people. Heck Ive had people mail me asking to be in our tribe that were very good pointed players and seemed like a good player through OD and D but the reason why they asked to join was because someone from one of our allies was attacking them, and even though they wouldve been a good person to have on our team they would be a refugee and we said no.

Oh and for retaliating and all about attacking a member of ours. If someone from VVVK was under attack from someone who wasnt in an allied tribe or a personal ally of one of yours what would you do. Would you sit by and watch that person get rimed or would you help that person and start attacking the player who attacked him.

The facts as I see them are plain and simple.

1. You left the allied tribe.
2. You were not in an allied tribe when attacks were launched.
3. You were not in an allied tribe before the attacks hit.

These 3 points show that you are a refugee plain and simple.
 

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czens said:
Ive had people mail me asking to be in our tribe that were very good pointed players and seemed like a good player through OD and D but the reason why they asked to join was because someone from one of our allies was attacking them, and even though they wouldve been a good person to have on our team they would be a refugee and we said no.
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Ok I could name 10 or 15 players here that you HAVE taken in that completely nullify what you have said here

shall we start with [player]goodfairy[/player]?
 

DeletedUser

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give us proof and reports showing attacks. did you mail us after it happend if you had he wouldve been kicked.
 

DeletedUser

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we already did that at the time with countless refugess you have taken in already

Colliny kindly ignored them all for us :d

I have no interest in going thru it all again

Keep your refugees mate

Just dont try and deny you take them in :d

Thanks
 

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czens said:
The sad thing is and I know I will get flamed for this but, when you left VVVK you knew very well that in a sea of blue when someone goes red people attack. Thats just plain and simple right there you would do the same and so would KAT.

On to the refugee status thats should be simple too. You knew the risk leaving VVVK and when you got attacked and you had incomming attacks at you from an old allied tribe that makes you a Refugee. Just because we didnt take any villages doesnt make you not a refugee. We in SCIOVA have kicked people. Heck Ive had people mail me asking to be in our tribe that were very good pointed players and seemed like a good player through OD and D but the reason why they asked to join was because someone from one of our allies was attacking them, and even though they wouldve been a good person to have on our team they would be a refugee and we said no.

Oh and for retaliating and all about attacking a member of ours. If someone from VVVK was under attack from someone who wasnt in an allied tribe or a personal ally of one of yours what would you do. Would you sit by and watch that person get rimed or would you help that person and start attacking the player who attacked him.

The facts as I see them are plain and simple.

1. You left the allied tribe.
2. You were not in an allied tribe when attacks were launched.
3. You were not in an allied tribe before the attacks hit.

These 3 points show that you are a refugee plain and simple.
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I am not afraid of taking risks. That's why i left and killed the attacks from SCIOVA.

refugee...hmmm
maybe my dictionary is not good but to me the term refugee means a person that seeks for shelter when in need. I don't remember myself ever asking for any shelter by joining any tribe so that the attacks stop and that's why i didnt sask SCIOVA members for example to stop the attacks cause i joined V V Vk.
 

DeletedUser

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how many nukes you killed so far mate?

what is it now, has it got to 300 yet or is it still around the 200 mark?

:p
 

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metaller said:
I am not afraid of taking risks. That's why i left and killed the attacks from SCIOVA.

refugee...hmmm
maybe my dictionary is not good but to me the term refugee means a person that seeks for shelter when in need. I don't remember myself ever asking for any shelter by joining any tribe so that the attacks stop and that's why i didnt sask SCIOVA members for example to stop the attacks cause i joined V V Vk.
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So that would me we can recuit any member under attack from you guys and as long as they dont ask for support from us then they are not a refugee? That doesnt make sense because Im almost 95% positive there would be a mail in either mine or Colliny2k's mail box about them being a refugee.
 

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still the 200 mark:icon_razz:

SCIOVA sends nothing at me now. Am i not considered refugee anymore and they stopped:lol:?
 

DeletedUser

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Wow...you're all like lawyers....I would be too, but under direct order, I am to stay out of this matter...darn...
 

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czens said:
That doesnt make sense because Im almost 95% positive there would be a mail in either mine or Colliny2k's mail box about them being a refugee.
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Nah theres not much point in mailing you guys about such things most of the time

metaller said:
still the 200 mark:icon_razz:

SCIOVA sends nothing at me now. Am i not considered refugee anymore and they stopped:lol:?
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so any new attacks sent is technically breaking the NAP (or whatever they have us marked at currently) they have with us?
 
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