One Last Shot...
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Hi all.
For those who don't know me, I'm Googly (that person who keeps being mentioned on this thread for whatever reasons).
I haven't posted at all on this thread and had originally had no plan to do so, but it seems my name is yet again being dragged through the mud. So I will make a single post to clarify a few things, as there have been a lot of people posting mis-informed or butthurt comments relating to me.
This will be a very long read, so unless you are truly interested I wouldn't bother reading it. The history begins back in original Pacman, W58.
Pacman History.
[SPOIL]I was put on Lucaya account, W58 in Pacman - purely to defend it. Dabearo was doing alright there as a leader, he seemed alright at the time. I missed a lot of the startup part of the game, so I don't know about his early-game diplomacy on that world and I will not comment on what I do not know.
What I do know, is that Dabearo decided to ditch the tribe (stopped logging in ingame, on skype, but kept using the public forums). After a few days of us having no duke, being the helpful person I am I contacted Dabearo and offered to step up as a temp duke (fully aware that he was just ditching the tribe due to the huge inactivity he had allowed to build up without dealing with it). He agreed willingly, and then decided to come back a week later to end the tribe.
My point? He has a history of giving up quite quickly on premades he sets up. He has a history of ignoring issues despite how obvious it is that if they don't get dealt with it will kill the tribe.
Despite that, I thought Dabearo deserved another chance, as I hadn't been in Pacman properly during his most active period. So I agreed to stay on for No Hauls.[/SPOIL]
Pre Pacman Joining.
[SPOIL]Prior to the world starting, Dabearo had a lot of characters who were rather abusive to people in the tribe. The one I will mention is Silver, aka Gorth. This person should never have been recruited, put simply. Approximately 20% of the tribe had issues with him since before Pacman. Why, you may ask? For tormenting a young female TW player in skype chats for weeks on end. Degrading her, treating her like vermin. All for the simple reason of his own personal gratification. If you want skype logs to view this (this is indisputable fact), 7 Trolls has a vast collection of them.
Now, Dabearo and Gorth go way back. Unfortunately, this meant that early on, every person Dabearo saw arguing with Silver (despite Silver usually being the main person responsible for these early-on arguments), got dismissed. Of the 3 people I am talking about currently:
-1 got blocked and didn't get told why he was dismissed
-1 got dismissed purely for being friends with that person (despite not having done anything wrong)
-1 never got told why he was dismissed and was ignored when he asked
These 3 individuals were players who were friends with some Pacman members already, and I personally approached Dabearo about it. He made false promises to me of being willing to talk to them and resolve the issues at hand. He effectively began lying to me after mis-treating 3 of my friends, to make life easier for him. Taking the "easy" option and saying merely what he felt people wanted to hear, never actually going through with his words. The issues began to arise from this - both the treatment of Pacman members, and the lying to Pacman members.
Arguments between myself and Gorth started around this time (previous arguments were when he was attempting to have people he didn't like kicked out of Pacman and I stood up for them). The arguments were started by both of us, and I accept some responsibility for picking fights with someone who had been cyber-bullying a very close friend of mine, who I am very protective of, for weeks prior to Pacman joining the world.[/SPOIL]
As Pacman Joined - Diplomacy Conversations
[SPOIL]There were lengthy discussions in the tribe chat about diplomacy as we joined W65. This is a very crucial thing that people should pay particular attention to, as the results will not only be mentioned later, but also are plastered over the forum.
Dabearo was made aware by myself and others that we didn't want to be in a tribe where diplomacy was made with the plan to backstab the diplomacy. A number of us in Pacman have led successful tribes/premades from start-up through to near world wins/actual world wins, without any shady/backstabbing diplomacy at all. And we didn't want to be a part of a tribe who uses these methods.
Dabearo agreed to us that he would not do temporary diplo he planned to break, when he realized a number of people in the tribe hate that type of tactic.[/SPOIL]
As Pacman Joined - Recruitment Issues
[SPOIL]Dabearo made Kalkoenvet the recruiting officer.
A good choice?
Well, a number of us didn't think so.
Why did we think this?
1. Because he acted very arrogantly in the tribe chat most of the time we'd seen him speak.
2. Because he'd posted up recruitment suggestions about people who applied who were up to 2 continents away without bothering to check locations first.
3. Because when a certain person posted a sarcastic comment merely saying "learn to use a spoiler (facepalm)" on the tribal forum, the rather vulgar "c" word got used in response, and demonstrated a complete lack of leadership professionality. This sparked a lot of people to highlight how childish and rude he was being when the fairly reasonable offense to the post got taken. And how did it get dealt with? Everybody who said he was being unnecessarily rude and childish got brandished with a tag:
"They must be Googly's friends posting, and so their views are meaningless in Pacman".
Quotes of Dabearo labelling people as this and also saying their views are worthless due to being my friends (and so unable to think for themselves), I and many others will happily provide. One such quote is in a mail Dabearo sent the whole tribe, which is in this post a little further down.
This one move by Dabearo, putting the blame on myself as opposed to looking at what actually happened (he had a printscreen of the thread from me as I suspected - correctly it turned out - that Kalk would delete this thread to avoid getting in trouble) caused a tribe rift. A number of us no longer wanted to be in a chatroom with Kalk or Gorth, and so a new one, a side chat, got created at this point in time. Because of Gorth, because of Kalk. But mostly, because of Dabearo's appalling leadership up until this point in time. Dabearo then went on to say a week later that by us creating this chat we were trying to split the tribe, ignoring who caused us to take that action.
Now, this isn't the end of the recruitment issues. Oh no. Dabearo made the decision to have it publicly available to all Pacman members who were and weren't being considered for the tribe. So everybody could have a say. He then went and invited a number of accounts going against his own protocol set. Nobody had an issue with them joining, just the secrecy he'd gone about it in after making it clear he wanted to be open with the tribe. It could have been "behind the scenes" leadership, or "open" leadership. Doing both at the same time caused a great deal of confusion and made the recruitment officer he had in place look like a complete tool.
Oh and then recruiting Harlos (the cause of Pacman members leaving/being dismissed and forming a new tribe) when the player is approximately 3/4 of a K away from Pacman. Obviously a great move on Dabearo's part, picking up a player who when Dabearo left caused a lot of drama and managed to split the tribe within a few hours of forcing himself on us as the duke, despite everybody wanting to just work towards fixing the tribe?[/SPOIL]
Pacman - Diplomacy Issues
[SPOIL]I hope the promise Dabearo made about no shady diplomacy being made is still fresh in your minds?
Well, there's a very simple thing I have to say. Nebular. EDEN. Muffin. Care X. All of these NAPs were set up with the sole purpose of attacking as soon as we were in position to do so. And of these, Nebular and EDEN got attacked by the tribe because nobody knew Dabearo had been doing this backstabbing diplomacy deals behind the scenes. He knew a lot of us would be pissed off if he did it, but he went ahead, did it anyway and then the tribe looked awful diplomatically because of our leader.
Muffin had been going from "enemy to prep for" to "ally" to "enemy to prep for" to "get ready to merge" - continuous contrasting views which made a number of people in Pacman feel Dabearo was lying to us and setting some of us up for a fall for a long time.
Care X NAP was set up with an original plan in mind to launch on the local players as soon as nobles came out.
A lot of Pacman members were disliking this diplomatic stuff going on behind the scenes.[/SPOIL]
Pacman - Setting up the ScapeGoat
[SPOIL]Pacman was not very good at communication.
I say Pacman. I mean Dabearo.
Dabearo had not told anybody about EDEN NAP. He also gave permission for us to attack them. So, that happened. And some people needed support due to the EDEN threat, myself included. I got support, and then came down with something that required me to have a hospital visit. I told Dabearo I would be away for 24 hours. In that time, he'd decided to tell the tribe to pull support from me. I returned, saw a lot of people pulling support and so I sent a simple mail. A sarcastic mail thanking the tribe for pulling support.
At this point, Dabearo put all blame on me for this.
Apparently what I did wrong was as follows:
1. Expecting support to stay any length of time (despite the request highlighting it would need to stay a few days).
2. Expecting Dabearo to tell me if relations with Eden improved (he never told the account, just assumed I would know automatically).
3. Expecting Dabearo to have people tell us first if they were going to pull support (I got hit 24 hours after this incident, to highlight the fact that the support *was* still needed).
4. Being annoyed and reacting to trolls in the tribal chat who were attempting to wind me up for the incident.
Now, notice that all of this stemmed from Dabearo never once informing the people who actually needed information.
At this point, Dabearo had long made up his mind that as Gorth wanted me to be removed from the tribe, he had to set something up. So he began telling me to do stupid things. Firstly, launch on someone who was quite clearly a very talented player without any preparation (co-ordination between myself and LGtwins managed to salvage what should have been my account being rimmed). Secondly, telling me to sit back and do nothing whilst the tribe sets up to "war" Muffin.
Now, Muffin was a merge plan. And Dabearo's way of getting rid of myself (and everybody he's labelled as my friend due to his wanting to avoid dealing with actual problems in the tribe), was to secretly plan a merge which forced a group of Pacman members out of the merge. Which is what Harlos and Kalkoenvet have been continuing to work on, and which sparked Agency to form on w65.
Oh, I missed the key part. A circular mail from Dabearo trying to turn the whole tribe against me.
[SPOIL]
Note:
-he pins blame on me for things that only happened due to his own leadership faults
-he ignores every other person involved in all issues
-he and pins everything on a single individual despite the problems stemming from Gorth, and Dabearo's awful leadership
Unfortunately, his plan backfired. As his council member at the time (Hard.) was talking to him about how to deal with the issue privately just before he sent that. And so he demonstrated that he was only interested in bad-mouthing tribe members and trying to turn people in Pacman against one another - not resolving issues about people's attitude in terms of teamplay. By sending this circular mail, Dabearo drove an irrepairable wedge between the tribe. People who were unsure on their stance, a number jumped to my defense over it. A number believed the lies, the slander and the gross mis-representation of "fact" in this circular mail. And a number got more and more annoyed at the entire tribe.[/SPOIL]
Dabearo quitting
[SPOIL]Dabearo's decision to quit was his own to make. And honestly? It was the best thing to happen to Pacman. His leadership methods caused a lot of people to be permanently annoyed with him. His leadership methods meant he lied to, and backstabbed, not only a lot of the tribe but also every tribe diplomatically connected to Pacman - whether they should have been NAPs/allies or not.
Harlos then forced himself on the tribe as duke, and began working more on the Muffin merge. A lot of people were pissed off that he was only doing what he wanted for the tribe, not what the tribe wanted. And he dismissed a number of accounts from Pacman purely for pointing out the fact that he was, just as Dabearo did, trying to bully and victimize me for standing up for my views instead of simply accepting every stupid thing that the Pacman leadership had been doing.
Dabearo also was fully aware that he had 3 options:
1. Continue to ignore & run away from the issues the tribe had (having been told if he continues to do this a new tribe would be made to house anybody who was pissed off in Pacman under his rule).
2. To deal with the issues at hand.
3. To quit.
Needless to say, much like his leadership approach throughout W65, he chose the coward's way out.[/SPOIL]
Summary
[SPOIL]Dabearo is the ONLY person to blame for Pacman's failure.
His leadership was awful.
His lying to people in the tribe was spotted from the start of the world.
His way of pushing all issues under the carpet damaged the tribe (the one time he actually bothered trying to resolve an issue properly, he only managed to do by being forced in to doing so by me - and it resolved one of the personality clashes in Pacman within minutes).
His diplomatic backstabbings.
His causing a splinter group very early on in Pacman due to his failures as a leader up until then.
His labelling anybody who got bullied by his own friends, as an excuse to ignore their complaints, caused further rifts in the tribe.
Others may have caused him issues as a leader. Myself included. I'm not ashamed to admit I didn't help matters, and will not deny that I was involved in a number of arguments - almost every single one revolving around fighting a bully in the tribe.
That being said:
-No competent duke ignores every damn issue in a tribe, pushes it under the carpet and tries to tell people to forgive someone who was still cyber-bullying their friends.
-No competent duke shows clear bias and favouritism throughout the world.
-No competent duke uses the "It's Gorth - you know he'll quit within a month" excuse in order to get out of dealing with any issues involving him (of which there were plenty).
Quotes to back up this excuse can also be provided if requested.
The simple fact of the matter from my perspective is this:
Dabearo and his inner circle (Kalkoenvet, Harlos, Gorth) are essentially just playground bullies.
Dabearo pins the blame on the person(s) being bullied in order to try to run away from the roots of any issues.
He's a coward, who is not fit to lead any tribe - and who nobody should consider as a talented leader as simply put, he's shown on W58 and W65 now that he is someone who runs every time there is a problem in the tribe.[/SPOIL]
My time in Pacman has been hell. If I were to go back in time, not one of my actions would be changed. Everything I did was in response to cyber-bullying and awful/lying/backstabbing leadership manouveurs. I should have left a long time ago.
Thank you to those of you in Pacman who didn't buy in to Dabearo's PnP attempts to turn everybody in the tribe against me. To those of you that did...you need to learn to open your eyes.
A final point: I did offer to help Dabearo from day 1 onwards. My help was only on one occasion accepted. My advise was on only one occasion taken. Both times it helped the tribe. And every time he ignored my advise and did his own thing (usually ignoring problems or doing stupid backhanded leadership moves) anyway, it caused huge problems for the tribe that I was usually not involved in.
Those are my views, and everything I have stated is pure truth from my perspective. I don't want to remember my experience in Pacman under Dabearo and Harlos.
Dabearo is the only person to blame for how Pacman went. The leadership was, for want of a stronger word, atrocious.
For those who don't know me, I'm Googly (that person who keeps being mentioned on this thread for whatever reasons).
I haven't posted at all on this thread and had originally had no plan to do so, but it seems my name is yet again being dragged through the mud. So I will make a single post to clarify a few things, as there have been a lot of people posting mis-informed or butthurt comments relating to me.
This will be a very long read, so unless you are truly interested I wouldn't bother reading it. The history begins back in original Pacman, W58.
Pacman History.
[SPOIL]I was put on Lucaya account, W58 in Pacman - purely to defend it. Dabearo was doing alright there as a leader, he seemed alright at the time. I missed a lot of the startup part of the game, so I don't know about his early-game diplomacy on that world and I will not comment on what I do not know.
What I do know, is that Dabearo decided to ditch the tribe (stopped logging in ingame, on skype, but kept using the public forums). After a few days of us having no duke, being the helpful person I am I contacted Dabearo and offered to step up as a temp duke (fully aware that he was just ditching the tribe due to the huge inactivity he had allowed to build up without dealing with it). He agreed willingly, and then decided to come back a week later to end the tribe.
My point? He has a history of giving up quite quickly on premades he sets up. He has a history of ignoring issues despite how obvious it is that if they don't get dealt with it will kill the tribe.
Despite that, I thought Dabearo deserved another chance, as I hadn't been in Pacman properly during his most active period. So I agreed to stay on for No Hauls.[/SPOIL]
Pre Pacman Joining.
[SPOIL]Prior to the world starting, Dabearo had a lot of characters who were rather abusive to people in the tribe. The one I will mention is Silver, aka Gorth. This person should never have been recruited, put simply. Approximately 20% of the tribe had issues with him since before Pacman. Why, you may ask? For tormenting a young female TW player in skype chats for weeks on end. Degrading her, treating her like vermin. All for the simple reason of his own personal gratification. If you want skype logs to view this (this is indisputable fact), 7 Trolls has a vast collection of them.
Now, Dabearo and Gorth go way back. Unfortunately, this meant that early on, every person Dabearo saw arguing with Silver (despite Silver usually being the main person responsible for these early-on arguments), got dismissed. Of the 3 people I am talking about currently:
-1 got blocked and didn't get told why he was dismissed
-1 got dismissed purely for being friends with that person (despite not having done anything wrong)
-1 never got told why he was dismissed and was ignored when he asked
These 3 individuals were players who were friends with some Pacman members already, and I personally approached Dabearo about it. He made false promises to me of being willing to talk to them and resolve the issues at hand. He effectively began lying to me after mis-treating 3 of my friends, to make life easier for him. Taking the "easy" option and saying merely what he felt people wanted to hear, never actually going through with his words. The issues began to arise from this - both the treatment of Pacman members, and the lying to Pacman members.
Arguments between myself and Gorth started around this time (previous arguments were when he was attempting to have people he didn't like kicked out of Pacman and I stood up for them). The arguments were started by both of us, and I accept some responsibility for picking fights with someone who had been cyber-bullying a very close friend of mine, who I am very protective of, for weeks prior to Pacman joining the world.[/SPOIL]
As Pacman Joined - Diplomacy Conversations
[SPOIL]There were lengthy discussions in the tribe chat about diplomacy as we joined W65. This is a very crucial thing that people should pay particular attention to, as the results will not only be mentioned later, but also are plastered over the forum.
Dabearo was made aware by myself and others that we didn't want to be in a tribe where diplomacy was made with the plan to backstab the diplomacy. A number of us in Pacman have led successful tribes/premades from start-up through to near world wins/actual world wins, without any shady/backstabbing diplomacy at all. And we didn't want to be a part of a tribe who uses these methods.
Dabearo agreed to us that he would not do temporary diplo he planned to break, when he realized a number of people in the tribe hate that type of tactic.[/SPOIL]
As Pacman Joined - Recruitment Issues
[SPOIL]Dabearo made Kalkoenvet the recruiting officer.
A good choice?
Well, a number of us didn't think so.
Why did we think this?
1. Because he acted very arrogantly in the tribe chat most of the time we'd seen him speak.
2. Because he'd posted up recruitment suggestions about people who applied who were up to 2 continents away without bothering to check locations first.
3. Because when a certain person posted a sarcastic comment merely saying "learn to use a spoiler (facepalm)" on the tribal forum, the rather vulgar "c" word got used in response, and demonstrated a complete lack of leadership professionality. This sparked a lot of people to highlight how childish and rude he was being when the fairly reasonable offense to the post got taken. And how did it get dealt with? Everybody who said he was being unnecessarily rude and childish got brandished with a tag:
"They must be Googly's friends posting, and so their views are meaningless in Pacman".
Quotes of Dabearo labelling people as this and also saying their views are worthless due to being my friends (and so unable to think for themselves), I and many others will happily provide. One such quote is in a mail Dabearo sent the whole tribe, which is in this post a little further down.
This one move by Dabearo, putting the blame on myself as opposed to looking at what actually happened (he had a printscreen of the thread from me as I suspected - correctly it turned out - that Kalk would delete this thread to avoid getting in trouble) caused a tribe rift. A number of us no longer wanted to be in a chatroom with Kalk or Gorth, and so a new one, a side chat, got created at this point in time. Because of Gorth, because of Kalk. But mostly, because of Dabearo's appalling leadership up until this point in time. Dabearo then went on to say a week later that by us creating this chat we were trying to split the tribe, ignoring who caused us to take that action.
Now, this isn't the end of the recruitment issues. Oh no. Dabearo made the decision to have it publicly available to all Pacman members who were and weren't being considered for the tribe. So everybody could have a say. He then went and invited a number of accounts going against his own protocol set. Nobody had an issue with them joining, just the secrecy he'd gone about it in after making it clear he wanted to be open with the tribe. It could have been "behind the scenes" leadership, or "open" leadership. Doing both at the same time caused a great deal of confusion and made the recruitment officer he had in place look like a complete tool.
Oh and then recruiting Harlos (the cause of Pacman members leaving/being dismissed and forming a new tribe) when the player is approximately 3/4 of a K away from Pacman. Obviously a great move on Dabearo's part, picking up a player who when Dabearo left caused a lot of drama and managed to split the tribe within a few hours of forcing himself on us as the duke, despite everybody wanting to just work towards fixing the tribe?[/SPOIL]
Pacman - Diplomacy Issues
[SPOIL]I hope the promise Dabearo made about no shady diplomacy being made is still fresh in your minds?
Well, there's a very simple thing I have to say. Nebular. EDEN. Muffin. Care X. All of these NAPs were set up with the sole purpose of attacking as soon as we were in position to do so. And of these, Nebular and EDEN got attacked by the tribe because nobody knew Dabearo had been doing this backstabbing diplomacy deals behind the scenes. He knew a lot of us would be pissed off if he did it, but he went ahead, did it anyway and then the tribe looked awful diplomatically because of our leader.
Muffin had been going from "enemy to prep for" to "ally" to "enemy to prep for" to "get ready to merge" - continuous contrasting views which made a number of people in Pacman feel Dabearo was lying to us and setting some of us up for a fall for a long time.
Care X NAP was set up with an original plan in mind to launch on the local players as soon as nobles came out.
A lot of Pacman members were disliking this diplomatic stuff going on behind the scenes.[/SPOIL]
Pacman - Setting up the ScapeGoat
[SPOIL]Pacman was not very good at communication.
I say Pacman. I mean Dabearo.
Dabearo had not told anybody about EDEN NAP. He also gave permission for us to attack them. So, that happened. And some people needed support due to the EDEN threat, myself included. I got support, and then came down with something that required me to have a hospital visit. I told Dabearo I would be away for 24 hours. In that time, he'd decided to tell the tribe to pull support from me. I returned, saw a lot of people pulling support and so I sent a simple mail. A sarcastic mail thanking the tribe for pulling support.
At this point, Dabearo put all blame on me for this.
Apparently what I did wrong was as follows:
1. Expecting support to stay any length of time (despite the request highlighting it would need to stay a few days).
2. Expecting Dabearo to tell me if relations with Eden improved (he never told the account, just assumed I would know automatically).
3. Expecting Dabearo to have people tell us first if they were going to pull support (I got hit 24 hours after this incident, to highlight the fact that the support *was* still needed).
4. Being annoyed and reacting to trolls in the tribal chat who were attempting to wind me up for the incident.
Now, notice that all of this stemmed from Dabearo never once informing the people who actually needed information.
At this point, Dabearo had long made up his mind that as Gorth wanted me to be removed from the tribe, he had to set something up. So he began telling me to do stupid things. Firstly, launch on someone who was quite clearly a very talented player without any preparation (co-ordination between myself and LGtwins managed to salvage what should have been my account being rimmed). Secondly, telling me to sit back and do nothing whilst the tribe sets up to "war" Muffin.
Now, Muffin was a merge plan. And Dabearo's way of getting rid of myself (and everybody he's labelled as my friend due to his wanting to avoid dealing with actual problems in the tribe), was to secretly plan a merge which forced a group of Pacman members out of the merge. Which is what Harlos and Kalkoenvet have been continuing to work on, and which sparked Agency to form on w65.
Oh, I missed the key part. A circular mail from Dabearo trying to turn the whole tribe against me.
[SPOIL]
[/SPOIL]
Note:
-he pins blame on me for things that only happened due to his own leadership faults
-he ignores every other person involved in all issues
-he and pins everything on a single individual despite the problems stemming from Gorth, and Dabearo's awful leadership
Unfortunately, his plan backfired. As his council member at the time (Hard.) was talking to him about how to deal with the issue privately just before he sent that. And so he demonstrated that he was only interested in bad-mouthing tribe members and trying to turn people in Pacman against one another - not resolving issues about people's attitude in terms of teamplay. By sending this circular mail, Dabearo drove an irrepairable wedge between the tribe. People who were unsure on their stance, a number jumped to my defense over it. A number believed the lies, the slander and the gross mis-representation of "fact" in this circular mail. And a number got more and more annoyed at the entire tribe.[/SPOIL]
Dabearo quitting
[SPOIL]Dabearo's decision to quit was his own to make. And honestly? It was the best thing to happen to Pacman. His leadership methods caused a lot of people to be permanently annoyed with him. His leadership methods meant he lied to, and backstabbed, not only a lot of the tribe but also every tribe diplomatically connected to Pacman - whether they should have been NAPs/allies or not.
Harlos then forced himself on the tribe as duke, and began working more on the Muffin merge. A lot of people were pissed off that he was only doing what he wanted for the tribe, not what the tribe wanted. And he dismissed a number of accounts from Pacman purely for pointing out the fact that he was, just as Dabearo did, trying to bully and victimize me for standing up for my views instead of simply accepting every stupid thing that the Pacman leadership had been doing.
Dabearo also was fully aware that he had 3 options:
1. Continue to ignore & run away from the issues the tribe had (having been told if he continues to do this a new tribe would be made to house anybody who was pissed off in Pacman under his rule).
2. To deal with the issues at hand.
3. To quit.
Needless to say, much like his leadership approach throughout W65, he chose the coward's way out.[/SPOIL]
Summary
[SPOIL]Dabearo is the ONLY person to blame for Pacman's failure.
His leadership was awful.
His lying to people in the tribe was spotted from the start of the world.
His way of pushing all issues under the carpet damaged the tribe (the one time he actually bothered trying to resolve an issue properly, he only managed to do by being forced in to doing so by me - and it resolved one of the personality clashes in Pacman within minutes).
His diplomatic backstabbings.
His causing a splinter group very early on in Pacman due to his failures as a leader up until then.
His labelling anybody who got bullied by his own friends, as an excuse to ignore their complaints, caused further rifts in the tribe.
Others may have caused him issues as a leader. Myself included. I'm not ashamed to admit I didn't help matters, and will not deny that I was involved in a number of arguments - almost every single one revolving around fighting a bully in the tribe.
That being said:
-No competent duke ignores every damn issue in a tribe, pushes it under the carpet and tries to tell people to forgive someone who was still cyber-bullying their friends.
-No competent duke shows clear bias and favouritism throughout the world.
-No competent duke uses the "It's Gorth - you know he'll quit within a month" excuse in order to get out of dealing with any issues involving him (of which there were plenty).
Quotes to back up this excuse can also be provided if requested.
The simple fact of the matter from my perspective is this:
Dabearo and his inner circle (Kalkoenvet, Harlos, Gorth) are essentially just playground bullies.
Dabearo pins the blame on the person(s) being bullied in order to try to run away from the roots of any issues.
He's a coward, who is not fit to lead any tribe - and who nobody should consider as a talented leader as simply put, he's shown on W58 and W65 now that he is someone who runs every time there is a problem in the tribe.[/SPOIL]
My time in Pacman has been hell. If I were to go back in time, not one of my actions would be changed. Everything I did was in response to cyber-bullying and awful/lying/backstabbing leadership manouveurs. I should have left a long time ago.
Thank you to those of you in Pacman who didn't buy in to Dabearo's PnP attempts to turn everybody in the tribe against me. To those of you that did...you need to learn to open your eyes.
A final point: I did offer to help Dabearo from day 1 onwards. My help was only on one occasion accepted. My advise was on only one occasion taken. Both times it helped the tribe. And every time he ignored my advise and did his own thing (usually ignoring problems or doing stupid backhanded leadership moves) anyway, it caused huge problems for the tribe that I was usually not involved in.
Those are my views, and everything I have stated is pure truth from my perspective. I don't want to remember my experience in Pacman under Dabearo and Harlos.
Dabearo is the only person to blame for how Pacman went. The leadership was, for want of a stronger word, atrocious.
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