Paradise Lost...

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There is a short version near the end of this post, but I recommend you read the whole thing for full information and proof.

You know, throughout the course of this world, I've said some pretty inflammatory things. I know I'm not perfect, and I'm well aware that my arguments are sometimes lost in the heat of the moment behind sarcasm or sneering remarks.

For the rest of this post, I ask you to put that aside, and read what I say as fairly as you would if your leader were the ones who said it to you, regardless of the tribe you're in. I don't want my history to be something you hold against me, and then you end up missing the point.

I will say this; this post provides you with facts and posts from the GotRob forums and some skype chats which are between GotRob players and not entirely favorable to them. With that said, read the post before judging; you might be surprised at what you see.

No matter how badly I've acted on the forums to a person, not once have I ever insulted a player outside of the forums. I always make an effort to be civil. Ask any GotRob player who has contacted me to have a simple conversation (via Skype, of course). Sometimes I respond rudely when I feel insulted, but it's not often. So imagine my surprise when I saw that our very own geani29 (not lesss, the mock geani) was acting in a rude and deceitful manner in regards to her own members:

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geani29 said:
so, story is we all claimed barbs in k 67 and 77, from an ex INN player

our nukes were send 150 + hours away, Inn took some of them, ok, but they stacked against nukes which is not ok

now, Im being called a tard ( I dont even know what means and Im not bothered to google it)

Im posting this convo for people to see how frustrated I am sometimes, when I fight not to lose vils agains Pita, to sit those in need, to stack borders and mediate conflicts, when I sleep 4 hours per night for all of you, and a guy like zcmurray/ whos playing on wildgrass now is calling me a tard :))

This is incredible..

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[01:36:19] zscmurray-wildgras: yo geani, you around?
[01:36:45] geani29: for a bit, yes
[01:36:52] zscmurray-wildgras: 1 sec
[01:37:06] zscmurray-wildgras: i think there is a romanian that keeps attacking inn
[01:37:15] geani29: lol
[01:37:16] geani29: who
[01:37:37] zscmurray-wildgras: vlad80.ro
[01:37:59] zscmurray-wildgras: trying to noble in k77
[01:38:07] geani29: ha ha
[01:38:11] geani29: ur joking?
[01:38:14] zscmurray-wildgras: no
[01:38:15] geani29: read pur convo
[01:38:25] geani29: vlad had claims on those barbs, INN took them
[01:38:33] geani29: and they stacked against his nukes
[01:38:40] geani29: its all on forum and on convo
[01:38:40] zscmurray-wildgras: Command (10) Destination Origin Player Arrival time Arrival time in
Attack Ram (713|748) K77 GotRob (508|507) K55 vlad80.ro today at 11:57:15:057 10:17:41
Attack Ram (713|748) K77 GotRob (508|506) K55 vlad80.ro today at 12:20:15:129 10:40:41
***Noble*** - 564|475 - 16:00:01.640 23/10 - 22:27:53.690 30/10 Ram (749|710) K77 GotRob (564|475) K45 vlad80.ro today at 22:27:53:690 20:48:19
Ram - 492|486 - 21:42:01.718 23/10 - 01:11:38.102 31/10 Ram (750|712) K77 GotRob (492|486) K44 vlad80.ro tomorrow at 01:11:38:102 23:32:04
***Noble*** - 553|477 - 16:00:34.373 23/10 - 01:37:11.785 31/10 Ram (749|710) K77 GotRob (553|477) K45 vlad80.ro tomorrow at 01:37:11:785 23:57:37
***Noble*** - 536|485 - 16:01:13.144 23/10 - 04:45:14.013 31/10 Ram (749|710) K77 GotRob (536|485) K45 vlad80.ro tomorrow at 04:45:14:013 27:05:40
***Noble*** - 536|485 - 16:01:28.550 23/10 - 04:45:29.419 31/10 Ram (749|710) K77 GotRob (536|485) K45 vlad80.ro tomorrow at 04:45:29:419 27:05:55
***Noble*** - 533|484 - 16:02:37.315 23/10 - 06:24:21.786 31/10 Ram (749|710) K77 GotRob (533|484) K45 vlad80.ro tomorrow at 06:24:21:786 28:44:47
Ram - 658|319 - 00:21:55.885 25/10 - 06:30:27.065 02/11 Ram (673|715) K76 OutwitOutlastOutplay (658|319) K36 geani69 on 02.11. at 06:30:27:065 76:50:53
Ram, OutwitOutlastOutplay (658|319) , K36 Ram (745|713) K77 OutwitOutlastOutplay (658|319) K36 geani69 on 02.11. at 10:12:43:256
[01:38:44] geani29: read it
[01:38:54] zscmurray-wildgras: donesn't matter
[01:38:58] geani29: btw, geani69 is less
[01:38:59] zscmurray-wildgras: k77 was inn's
[01:39:02] geani29: he changed his name
[01:39:05] zscmurray-wildgras: i know
[01:39:07] geani29: i know
[01:39:12] zscmurray-wildgras: i told tiedie
[01:39:27] geani29: i dont care about those barbs, but i care that tiedragon stacked with 160k against 2 nukes :D
[01:39:32] geani29: which is incredible
[01:40:09] geani29: anyway, read the tribe chat here on skype and see that vlad is not attacking inn, he send nukes 150 hours out
[01:40:32] zscmurray-wildgras: what i am saying is k77 was never intended for GR to noble in
[01:40:38] zscmurray-wildgras: as per the agreement
[01:40:42] geani29: and?
[01:40:51] geani29: i didnt make that agreement
[01:40:51] zscmurray-wildgras: vlad is sending there
[01:40:53] geani29: talk to shagy
[01:40:57] geani29: LOL
[01:41:06] geani29: vlad send 150 hours ago, do you get it or not?
[01:41:11] geani29: and all tribe send there
[01:41:18] geani29: check noblements in those k
[01:41:32] zscmurray-wildgras: do romanians know how to read?
[01:41:39] geani29: hes not the only one, hes the only one who posted those 100 and 160k on forum, cose i told him so
[01:41:45] geani29: yes, they do
[01:41:55] geani29: like all the rest of gotrob who send there knows
[01:42:00] geani29: and i dont see your point
[01:42:50] zscmurray-wildgras: point is when people dont read shit posted in the forums it makes more work for everyone else. and the loss nukes to 160k stacks
[01:43:03] geani29: vlad posted his claims on shared forum
[01:43:05] zscmurray-wildgras: acting stupid
[01:43:08] geani29: no one in inn said nothing
[01:43:15] geani29: and btw, hes not stupid
[01:43:26] geani29: he send to his claims, like everybody else
[01:43:38] geani29: and tie and others stacked against 2 nukes
[01:43:43] geani29: DO YOU GET THIS OR NOT?
[01:44:00] geani29: anyway, talk to shagy
[01:44:04] zscmurray-wildgras: and you thanked the forum post with the inn terms
[01:44:12] geani29: i paste all this convo to him, continue with him
[01:44:13] geani29: gn
[01:44:21] zscmurray-wildgras: you are a tard
[01:44:29] geani29: :D
[01:44:40] geani29: i might be, but im right
[01:44:46] zscmurray-wildgras: about what?
[01:44:57] geani29: lets see what others think, ok?
[01:45:00] geani29: whos the tard here
[01:45:15] zscmurray-wildgras: Terms;

This is what our terms with got rob would be:

[spoil]1. k76/77 are Inn's

2. k67 will be shared with respect to zoc's no new members. Both our tribes in 67 need to understand there will be some give and take and those members need to be reasonable with each. after all we are all on the same side.

3. k68 will be got rob

4. The k50's where are members are can noble red dots, please respect zoc's and mail the other player if there is a questionable villa.

5. k66 will be shared with members that are already in those k's but INN won't add more players to the K and wont noble toward the center of the world past 670 running horizontal

6. All other k's are subject to progression

Additionally, if got rob is holding the terms to win, members that contributed in the effort may have the opportunity to join got rob as the "winning tribe".

This is an end game alliance and all members are expected to comply.[/spoil]
[01:45:20] zscmurray-wildgras: you thanked that
[01:45:30] zscmurray-wildgras: geani29 (on 05.07. at 18:55:24),
[01:48:14] geani29: and?
[01:48:32] geani29: why you tell me all this and not to shagy who made that agreement?
[01:48:56] geani29: and why you call vlad stupid for sending clearings on barbs INN took meanwhile?
[01:49:25] geani29: anyway, Im not wasting my time with you, being a tard and what else
[01:49:27] geani29: bye

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Indeed, this is incredible. For those of you who missed it, geani told zscmurray that he is wrong for asking her why some players were breaking an agreement with ~INN~. This is not only disrespectful to ~INN~, who clearly own the K geani is allowing her players to noble into, but it is disrespectful to zscmurray. He brings up an agreement breach, and she tells him that he is not supposed to talk to her (a duke), and that vlad did the right thing nobling barbs in a K that belonged to ~INN~. Not to mention the barbs were a former ~INN~ player.

Now, as if this wasn't bad, enough, geani29 proceeded to paste this on the forums in an attempt to publicly humiliate one of her players. At this point, I'm sorry; no one deserves to have to publicly argue over the fact that bright as day, geani29 allowed some players to disrespect a nobling agreement and shot down any real reaction from a player who was concerned. But this isn't the end of it, not by a long shot. Do you want to know what she proceeded to do?

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wildgrass said:
This is not about k67 barbs, its about k77.

Apparently, Geani forgot the thread that she thanked regarding the GR/Inn alliance.

[spoil]GotRob - Shaggy Rogers on 05.07.2012 at 11:01
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Terms;

This is what our terms with got rob would be:

1. k76/77 are Inn's

This is an end game alliance and all members are expected to comply.[/spoil]

The more I have talked with geani the more I see why people completely despise her. Instead of saying, wow I guess he did violate the alliance agreement, she turns this into a middle school drama thread. What you do or dont do for the tribe has absolutely no relevance to this situation.

What you CHOOSE to do with YOUR time, is not my problem. If you CHOOSE to sleep 4 hours and play TW for 20 that is YOUR choice. More power to you. The problem is geani, you always have to be right, even when you are wrong.




FYI - the villas were stacked b/c Eric sent the GR player an igm that he never responded to. It was read but NEVER replied.

geani29 said:
and your point is? vlad is not the only one who claimed there, no matter is k 67 or 77, for us is the same
so why did you waste my time and whats your problem with vlad? Maybe you didnt like him posting those reports here? Or? Cose I really dont see what you want?

Since when that agreement is your problem and why you try to make it mine??
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She proceeds to make it all about one player, and tell him it's not her problem (as a duke) to handle a diplomatic breach of an agreement. Publicly. Again. And it gets worse, and worse, and worse:

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wildgrass said:
and your point is?

I am not exactly sure what point you are asking about but one of my points is this is childish.

vlad is not the only one who claimed there, no matter is k 67 or 77, for us is the same so why did you waste my time and whats your problem with vlad?

I talk with Eric (tiedie) on the phone, vlad was one example he gave me. I have nothing against vlad. What I do not like is how the rules apply to some and not to others. I am also sorry to hear it was a waste of time, I thought part of being a leader was communication and help. I was trying to get your help because Jamie was afk (Away From Keyboard) at that time. With you being a co-duke, my next logical step was to talk with you.

Maybe you didnt like him posting those reports here?

I didn't see the reports vlad posted.

Cose I really dont see what you want?

All I want is us to play by the terms we create. This could have been solved by contacting INN prior to sending.


Since when that agreement is your problem and why you try to make it mine??

Jamie has asked me on occasion to talk to inn. When there is an issue Eric usually tells me since we talk fairly regularly on the phone and I typically go to skype with it from there. Being co-duke kinda makes tribal issues your problem.

I hope this helps to answer some of your questions.

geani29 said:
murray, check k 67 topic on Claims shared with Inn and you will see reports with huge stacks for 2 nukes

http://en59.tribalwars.net/game.php...&thread_id=151874&page=2&screen=forum#1425481

you called vlad stupid, means you have smething with him

you called me a tard, means you dont know what you are talking about

you just got here, and after shagy put you in council, you started to delete people claims WITHOUT EVEN TELLING THEM WHY, JUST BECAUSE YOU CONSIDERED THEY ARE STUPID
This says all about you
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She makes it all about some unrelated issue, and insults him further. Why? Why not solve it with him? Why not prevent future border breaches?

I just don't get it. She's allowing some players to do what others cannot, and is getting mad that zsc questioned it.

I don't know, maybe I'm overanalyzing or biased. Does anyone disagree? Does anyone see a situation in which geani29 is not acting to stop further border breaches by acting aggressively toward an ally after breaking the alliance agreement...as OK? Is there a single reason why this should've been posted publicly?

I don't think so, but maybe someone disagrees. Feel free to share your views as I've shared mine, and enjoy all information presented.

By the way, the entire conversation, for those who are curious, is below. Read it all, and you'll see it doesn't get much better from there:

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geani29 said:
so, story is we all claimed barbs in k 67 and 77, from an ex INN player

our nukes were send 150 + hours away, Inn took some of them, ok, but they stacked against nukes which is not ok

now, Im being called a tard ( I dont even know what means and Im not bothered to google it)

Im posting this convo for people to see how frustrated I am sometimes, when I fight not to lose vils agains Pita, to sit those in need, to stack borders and mediate conflicts, when I sleep 4 hours per night for all of you, and a guy like zcmurray/ whos playing on wildgrass now is calling me a tard :))

This is incredible..

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[01:36:19] zscmurray-wildgras: yo geani, you around?
[01:36:45] geani29: for a bit, yes
[01:36:52] zscmurray-wildgras: 1 sec
[01:37:06] zscmurray-wildgras: i think there is a romanian that keeps attacking inn
[01:37:15] geani29: lol
[01:37:16] geani29: who
[01:37:37] zscmurray-wildgras: vlad80.ro
[01:37:59] zscmurray-wildgras: trying to noble in k77
[01:38:07] geani29: ha ha
[01:38:11] geani29: ur joking?
[01:38:14] zscmurray-wildgras: no
[01:38:15] geani29: read pur convo
[01:38:25] geani29: vlad had claims on those barbs, INN took them
[01:38:33] geani29: and they stacked against his nukes
[01:38:40] geani29: its all on forum and on convo
[01:38:40] zscmurray-wildgras: Command (10) Destination Origin Player Arrival time Arrival time in
Attack Ram (713|748) K77 GotRob (508|507) K55 vlad80.ro today at 11:57:15:057 10:17:41
Attack Ram (713|748) K77 GotRob (508|506) K55 vlad80.ro today at 12:20:15:129 10:40:41
***Noble*** - 564|475 - 16:00:01.640 23/10 - 22:27:53.690 30/10 Ram (749|710) K77 GotRob (564|475) K45 vlad80.ro today at 22:27:53:690 20:48:19
Ram - 492|486 - 21:42:01.718 23/10 - 01:11:38.102 31/10 Ram (750|712) K77 GotRob (492|486) K44 vlad80.ro tomorrow at 01:11:38:102 23:32:04
***Noble*** - 553|477 - 16:00:34.373 23/10 - 01:37:11.785 31/10 Ram (749|710) K77 GotRob (553|477) K45 vlad80.ro tomorrow at 01:37:11:785 23:57:37
***Noble*** - 536|485 - 16:01:13.144 23/10 - 04:45:14.013 31/10 Ram (749|710) K77 GotRob (536|485) K45 vlad80.ro tomorrow at 04:45:14:013 27:05:40
***Noble*** - 536|485 - 16:01:28.550 23/10 - 04:45:29.419 31/10 Ram (749|710) K77 GotRob (536|485) K45 vlad80.ro tomorrow at 04:45:29:419 27:05:55
***Noble*** - 533|484 - 16:02:37.315 23/10 - 06:24:21.786 31/10 Ram (749|710) K77 GotRob (533|484) K45 vlad80.ro tomorrow at 06:24:21:786 28:44:47
Ram - 658|319 - 00:21:55.885 25/10 - 06:30:27.065 02/11 Ram (673|715) K76 OutwitOutlastOutplay (658|319) K36 geani69 on 02.11. at 06:30:27:065 76:50:53
Ram, OutwitOutlastOutplay (658|319) , K36 Ram (745|713) K77 OutwitOutlastOutplay (658|319) K36 geani69 on 02.11. at 10:12:43:256
[01:38:44] geani29: read it
[01:38:54] zscmurray-wildgras: donesn't matter
[01:38:58] geani29: btw, geani69 is less
[01:38:59] zscmurray-wildgras: k77 was inn's
[01:39:02] geani29: he changed his name
[01:39:05] zscmurray-wildgras: i know
[01:39:07] geani29: i know
[01:39:12] zscmurray-wildgras: i told tiedie
[01:39:27] geani29: i dont care about those barbs, but i care that tiedragon stacked with 160k against 2 nukes :D
[01:39:32] geani29: which is incredible
[01:40:09] geani29: anyway, read the tribe chat here on skype and see that vlad is not attacking inn, he send nukes 150 hours out
[01:40:32] zscmurray-wildgras: what i am saying is k77 was never intended for GR to noble in
[01:40:38] zscmurray-wildgras: as per the agreement
[01:40:42] geani29: and?
[01:40:51] geani29: i didnt make that agreement
[01:40:51] zscmurray-wildgras: vlad is sending there
[01:40:53] geani29: talk to shagy
[01:40:57] geani29: LOL
[01:41:06] geani29: vlad send 150 hours ago, do you get it or not?
[01:41:11] geani29: and all tribe send there
[01:41:18] geani29: check noblements in those k
[01:41:32] zscmurray-wildgras: do romanians know how to read?
[01:41:39] geani29: hes not the only one, hes the only one who posted those 100 and 160k on forum, cose i told him so
[01:41:45] geani29: yes, they do
[01:41:55] geani29: like all the rest of gotrob who send there knows
[01:42:00] geani29: and i dont see your point
[01:42:50] zscmurray-wildgras: point is when people dont read shit posted in the forums it makes more work for everyone else. and the loss nukes to 160k stacks
[01:43:03] geani29: vlad posted his claims on shared forum
[01:43:05] zscmurray-wildgras: acting stupid
[01:43:08] geani29: no one in inn said nothing
[01:43:15] geani29: and btw, hes not stupid
[01:43:26] geani29: he send to his claims, like everybody else
[01:43:38] geani29: and tie and others stacked against 2 nukes
[01:43:43] geani29: DO YOU GET THIS OR NOT?
[01:44:00] geani29: anyway, talk to shagy
[01:44:04] zscmurray-wildgras: and you thanked the forum post with the inn terms
[01:44:12] geani29: i paste all this convo to him, continue with him
[01:44:13] geani29: gn
[01:44:21] zscmurray-wildgras: you are a tard
[01:44:29] geani29: :D
[01:44:40] geani29: i might be, but im right
[01:44:46] zscmurray-wildgras: about what?
[01:44:57] geani29: lets see what others think, ok?
[01:45:00] geani29: whos the tard here
[01:45:15] zscmurray-wildgras: Terms;

This is what our terms with got rob would be:

[spoil]1. k76/77 are Inn's

2. k67 will be shared with respect to zoc's no new members. Both our tribes in 67 need to understand there will be some give and take and those members need to be reasonable with each. after all we are all on the same side.

3. k68 will be got rob

4. The k50's where are members are can noble red dots, please respect zoc's and mail the other player if there is a questionable villa.

5. k66 will be shared with members that are already in those k's but INN won't add more players to the K and wont noble toward the center of the world past 670 running horizontal

6. All other k's are subject to progression

Additionally, if got rob is holding the terms to win, members that contributed in the effort may have the opportunity to join got rob as the "winning tribe".

This is an end game alliance and all members are expected to comply.[/spoil]
[01:45:20] zscmurray-wildgras: you thanked that
[01:45:30] zscmurray-wildgras: geani29 (on 05.07. at 18:55:24),
[01:48:14] geani29: and?
[01:48:32] geani29: why you tell me all this and not to shagy who made that agreement?
[01:48:56] geani29: and why you call vlad stupid for sending clearings on barbs INN took meanwhile?
[01:49:25] geani29: anyway, Im not wasting my time with you, being a tard and what else
[01:49:27] geani29: bye

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wildgrass said:
This is not about k67 barbs, its about k77.

Apparently, Geani forgot the thread that she thanked regarding the GR/Inn alliance.

[spoil]GotRob - Shaggy Rogers on 05.07.2012 at 11:01
Quote
Terms;

This is what our terms with got rob would be:

1. k76/77 are Inn's

2. k67 will be shared with respect to zoc's no new members. Both our tribes in 67 need to understand there will be some give and take and those members need to be reasonable with each. after all we are all on the same side.

3. k68 will be got rob

4. The k50's where are members are can noble red dots, please respect zoc's and mail the other player if there is a questionable villa.

5. k66 will be shared with members that are already in those k's but INN won't add more players to the K and wont noble toward the center of the world past 670 running horizontal

6. All other k's are subject to progression

Additionally, if got rob is holding the terms to win, members that contributed in the effort may have the opportunity to join got rob as the "winning tribe".

This is an end game alliance and all members are expected to comply.[/spoil]

The more I have talked with geani the more I see why people completely despise her. Instead of saying, wow I guess he did violate the alliance agreement, she turns this into a middle school drama thread. What you do or dont do for the tribe has absolutely no relevance to this situation.

What you CHOOSE to do with YOUR time, is not my problem. If you CHOOSE to sleep 4 hours and play TW for 20 that is YOUR choice. More power to you. The problem is geani, you always have to be right, even when you are wrong.




FYI - the villas were stacked b/c Eric sent the GR player an igm that he never responded to. It was read but NEVER replied.

geani29 said:
wildgrass said:
This is not about k67 barbs, its about k77.

Apparently, Geani forgot the thread that she thanked regarding the GR/Inn alliance.

[spoil]GotRob - Shaggy Rogers on 05.07.2012 at 11:01
Quote
Terms;

This is what our terms with got rob would be:

1. k76/77 are Inn's

2. k67 will be shared with respect to zoc's no new members. Both our tribes in 67 need to understand there will be some give and take and those members need to be reasonable with each. after all we are all on the same side.

3. k68 will be got rob

4. The k50's where are members are can noble red dots, please respect zoc's and mail the other player if there is a questionable villa.

5. k66 will be shared with members that are already in those k's but INN won't add more players to the K and wont noble toward the center of the world past 670 running horizontal

6. All other k's are subject to progression

Additionally, if got rob is holding the terms to win, members that contributed in the effort may have the opportunity to join got rob as the "winning tribe".

This is an end game alliance and all members are expected to comply.[/spoil]

The more I have talked with geani the more I see why people completely despise her. Instead of saying, wow I guess he did violate the alliance agreement, she turns this into a middle school drama thread. What you do or dont do for the tribe has absolutely no relevance to this situation.

What you CHOOSE to do with YOUR time, is not my problem. If you CHOOSE to sleep 4 hours and play TW for 20 that is YOUR choice. More power to you. The problem is geani, you always have to be right, even when you are wrong.




FYI - the villas were stacked b/c Eric sent the GR player an igm that he never responded to. It was read but NEVER replied.


and your point is? vlad is not the only one who claimed there, no matter is k 67 or 77, for us is the same
so why did you waste my time and whats your problem with vlad? Maybe you didnt like him posting those reports here? Or? Cose I really dont see what you want?

Since when that agreement is your problem and why you try to make it mine??

wildgrass said:
and your point is?

I am not exactly sure what point you are asking about but one of my points is this is childish.

vlad is not the only one who claimed there, no matter is k 67 or 77, for us is the same so why did you waste my time and whats your problem with vlad?

I talk with Eric (tiedie) on the phone, vlad was one example he gave me. I have nothing against vlad. What I do not like is how the rules apply to some and not to others. I am also sorry to hear it was a waste of time, I thought part of being a leader was communication and help. I was trying to get your help because Jamie was afk (Away From Keyboard) at that time. With you being a co-duke, my next logical step was to talk with you.

Maybe you didnt like him posting those reports here?

I didn't see the reports vlad posted.

Cose I really dont see what you want?

All I want is us to play by the terms we create. This could have been solved by contacting INN prior to sending.


Since when that agreement is your problem and why you try to make it mine??

Jamie has asked me on occasion to talk to inn. When there is an issue Eric usually tells me since we talk fairly regularly on the phone and I typically go to skype with it from there. Being co-duke kinda makes tribal issues your problem.

I hope this helps to answer some of your questions.

geani29 said:
murray, check k 67 topic on Claims shared with Inn and you will see reports with huge stacks for 2 nukes

http://en59.tribalwars.net/game.php...&thread_id=151874&page=2&screen=forum#1425481

you called vlad stupid, means you have smething with him

you called me a tard, means you dont know what you are talking about

you just got here, and after shagy put you in council, you started to delete people claims WITHOUT EVEN TELLING THEM WHY, JUST BECAUSE YOU CONSIDERED THEY ARE STUPID
This says all about you

wildgrass said:
geani29 said:
murray, check k 67 topic on Claims shared with Inn and you will see reports with huge stacks for 2 nukes

http://en59.tribalwars.net/game.php...&thread_id=151874&page=2&screen=forum#1425481

you called vlad stupid, means you have smething with him

you called me a tard, means you dont know what you are talking about

you just got here, and after shagy put you in council, you started to delete people claims WITHOUT EVEN TELLING THEM WHY, JUST BECAUSE YOU CONSIDERED THEY ARE STUPID
This says all about you

Regarding the reports. IMO, that is between those two players, it doesn't mean much to me. If they would have communicated it could have been avoided.

Regarding Vlad, you can't tell me what issue I do or dont have with another member because I think I might have a better idea than you do about my personal thoughts or feelings. I think its safe to say everyone at some point does something boneheaded. A synonym for bonehead is stupid. I addressed this with you on skype. Not sure if you got it b/c you unfriended me...lol

Regarding calling you are "tard", I won't go further as it will lead a direction that is not productive.

Regarding me being on council....I left because I saw what I would have to deal with, namely you. I foresaw greater issues down the road so I did what I felt best for my sanity and the tribe. I didn't want to create a division which appears to be what you are attempting to accomplish now. I deleted 1 claim, not multiple like you stated, which was still taken by that player.

If you would have handed things with an ounce of professionalism, I intended to tell you about internaling the zaoldyeck account as I had just received a phone call from tiediedragon telling me to set that up with GR. That would have given all the Romanians first pick at those villas if they so desired. Instead, you acted immaturely. Then started this thread to try to rally your support against me.

I truely feel bad for you as you cannot be a happy person. Typically, when people act as you do it is because there is something missing in real life. What that is I dont know, but I really do wish things get sorted for you. Again, this is childish, getting out of hand, and being inflated to a larger problem than it should be. As I told you a few weeks ago, I stood up for you, against people in this tribe as well as outside the tribe. Unfortunately, this says all about you. Just another self indulged drama queen.

IMO, this entire thread needs to be trashed as it is complete garbage.

geani29 said:
you left because you deleted peoples claims without a reason

being a leader doesnt mean u do what you want just because you can

you are wrong and time will prove it


wildgrass said:
geani29 said:
you left because you deleted peoples claims without a reason

Geani, what sense does that make? You really believe I couldn't live with myself for deleting ONE claim and that is why I removed myself from council? I am not that fragile of a person.

This is my final post even if this is not closed. Go ahead geani, get in the last word and claim victory. But I agree with humancentipad, it should be deleted as it provides no value to the tribe.
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For those who want a tl;dr version:

1) zsc asks geani about a breach of GotRob's agreement with ~INN~.
2) geani says it's not her problem and zsc must have a problem with vlad (the player who tried to noble into ~INN~'s K), and posts their conversation in the tribe forums.
3) zsc tells her it's not OK that some players are ignoring rules and agreements.
4) She says it's not her problem again and that zsc deletes claims, and implies he is a bad person and that it is the reason he quit council.
5) zsc tells her he didn't want to be a part of a council with her as it wouldn't have been a good-working one, and points out he deleted one claim that was taken regardless.

Tell me what you think. I beg you, please let me know whether you honestly think this is a good way to treat tribemates. geani is said to do so much for her tribe, and yet...it seems as though she's acting unfairly to me. What about you?
 

lesss

Guest
wow i would have never thought a tribemate would be treated like that in a browser game? are you sure they are on the same side?


shaggy say it isnt so?????????????????????????
 
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u6s5l.

Guest
Actually, I think you were very condescending and insulting considering that he came to you (a leader) with a problem, and you sneered at him and told him he was wrong without giving any reasoning or even politely saying so.

I'd be pretty insulted if I were him too. You didn't make the agreement, but aren't you bound to follow it? You sure should be. And if you didn't make it, does that mean that you can't act with decency or handle the situation?

Again, I ask; does anyone think this is alright?
 

DeletedUser83759

Guest
U6 you should be coongratulated for this post.

This is some damning information and instead of making a giant flame post have written a well thought out and constructed viewpoint.

Well done.
 

GearHound

Guest
You know guys... Maybe we've been wrong.

No no, hear me out. GotRob has proceeded with a business plan in game that simply hasn't succeeded before. I've never seen a mass recruiting multi tribe work like this. I'm not saying it works WELL... It has more leaks than a colander and their members are supremely unskilled, their fakes are a joke. But it's like an army of fire ants, small, ineffective, but you get enough of them, you get something.

I'm not saying that's enough to beat PITA, but smaller tribes, or less skilled tribes. Those are easier to play against. And it's like they realize they can't fight people 1:1 on fair terms, so they have this brilliant model of divide and conquer.

Invite everyone. People that don't fit, ally. Offer reasonable terms. Noble inactives, and quitters, then when food is scarce, engineer conflict. Break terms. Put Geani at the head of the conflict, because everyone knows between her stunning personality and language barriers, talks will break down. Make these conflicts about individual players, as opposed to tribes, so the individuals can be comfortably chewed. Once the allied tribe is either frustrated enough, or weak enough, masticate. And at this point, the people you are dealing with are so angry at the game, some of them just rage quit because it's not fun anymore.

I don't know though. It works. It's underhanded and immoral, but not against the rules. I'm wondering if it's on purpose, or an accident. Is it a freak occasion that it just worked in this world? Was in truly on purpose? Maybe we just underestimated GotRob's ability to plan.

I doubt it though. Brilliance by accident as opposed to brilliance by design? The big hole with this system is it relies of a few individuals to keep it together. Jamie and DMCD I remember as being passable players, they don't post much, but I wonder how much of the behind scenes these two play.

But this is nothing new. It's happened time and time before.... And it does its job. Rinse. Repeat.

But what happens when the line is drawn? What happens once everyone has your score gotrob? Murray is one of your more vocal supporters, and you just threw him under the bus.
 
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DeletedUser106579

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my logic is not your logic )

and guess what, my logic is better then yours, and anyone can see it :p''

The quote isn't from this thread but I clocked your original post here and it was the kind of drivel we've come to expect from you, as is the comment about logic, which is beneath contempt...

Every time I think you must have found the lowest level possible, found a place where you have to gaze up in wonder at the bottom feeders, you manage to create a foul new niche for yourself in the uncharted depths of a fresh abyss.

I had actually started to wonder whether it was all an act, whether the crass stupidity and blind sneering belligerence were a cunningly contrived forum facade designed to aggravate your opponents. But this incident with one of your own tribe members proves that isn't the case.

You really are that dense. You really are that arrogant. And it really doesn't seem possible to ascribe a single redeeming character trait to your putrid excuse for a personality.
 

CheshireBloodhound

Guest
The last time I saw a leader of a tribe I was in acting like this towards one of my tribemates I ditched the tribe and expedited his departure from the world and all future worlds that I happened to spot him on. :lol: Nice reading this is.
 

lesss

Guest
whats amazing is even the gotrob hard line followers have not even tried to defend there leadership on this one? frankly i feel that in it self shows they wernt pleased with a tribemate being treated like that. and the tribe invovled also didnt respond is it out of fear of geani or out of respect to the player that was clearly wronged here?
 
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u6s5l.

Guest
I just leave myself wondering why geani deleted her post about her always being right, and how zscmurray was wrong and insulted her. It boggles the mind that she feels the need to cover it up if she thinks she's right.

She hasn't apologized to him, I don't think, yet she is covering up her own beliefs. All I can say is, I'm sorry for those of you who have to take orders from geani when she treats people like she does.
 

blue eyed sandwalker

Guest
I don't know, maybe I'm overanalyzing or biased. Does anyone disagree? Does anyone see a situation in which geani29 is not acting to stop further border breaches by acting aggressively toward an ally after breaking the alliance agreement...as OK? Is there a single reason why this should've been posted publicly?

I'd say firstly, a very interesting and illuminating post - ref the above quote, it would seem to fit with a series of well documented and consistently duplicitous approach by Geani and GotRob.

Now, we well know some of their better players also feel this and are merely awaiting an opportune time: but frankly, the evidence provided here merely shows yet again why Loyal players like Z murray (as others also privately say) are frankly ashamed to be in a tribe so run.
 

DeletedUser106579

Guest
[01:40:51] geani29: i didnt make that agreement

So Geani feels that if she didn't personally make the agreement it doesn't apply to her...

Well, if that's the case, then all GotRob's declarations of war, diplomacy, and other agreements should only apply to the person who actually submitted them, and all other members of GotRob should technically be within their rights to negotiate their own terms unilaterally.
 

u6s5l.

Guest
It has come to my attention that Shaggy has imposed a ban on posting on the externals. Once more I ask; is this how you want to be treated by leadership? You should have the right to tell me I'm wrong, or tell me I'm not wrong, don't you think?

It is a sad day when shaggy can impose such a ban, and when geani deletes her posts. I suggest that anyone who wishes to post from GotRob creates an alias account. It is allowed, it is untrackable, and you can express your real views without geani's illogical attempts to silence you.

I look forward to hearing from any GotRob member who does so.

It seems, on another note, that ads is right. Players of GotRob should therefore be free to decide anything they want in regards to the tribe they're in, the wars they fight, and the alliances their tribe makes.

Make sure to remind geani of that the next time she talks down to one of you. She doesn't have the right.
 

monsterbro

Guest
you people are crazy gotrob might be one the best tribes out there
 

lesss

Guest
you people are crazy gotrob might be one the best tribes out there[/QUOTE


when geani tells them there forbidden to post it just shows how a dictatorship works. fear propaganda we see it in the real world over and over again. the ones that speak up disappear. others learn to throw there morals away in order to please there masters. and last but not least those people to scared to speak. but prehaps theres a under ground movement of freedom fighters within there ranks only time can tell

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gr_OpFxCx-A

it is kinda nice seeing ex34 being good boys and listening to there new masters
 
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lesss

Guest
shaggy are the kids allowed to come out and play? or is the ban on externals still in affect? i would consider it a personal favor if you asked your boss geani to free her people allow them the freedom of speech, of the press, and of assembly; right to petition
 

lesss

Guest
it is kinda sad seeing ex34 being bad boys and fighting each other...


just another case of dirty tricks causing more good players to leave this world hodgy betrayal cost this world ming cookie and bunny and afew more. but rest assurd i will be around to say afew choice words about each one of the gotrob traitors as i put them out of this world.

i heard shaggy gave a speach to his troops went something like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buSpGWq9aS4

since noone in gotrob is allowed to respond we cant confirm or deny the speach


as for finding the rob leadership http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tC1xAjhjWT8&feature=fvwrel
 
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marley42

Guest
Just for reference there has been no ban on talking in the externals. Everyone has stopped of their own accord. I don't really see the point of arguing about this on the externals here. Thanks for all the evidence presented from both sides. Each player can now decide what he thinks for himself. Lets just fight this out in-game.
 

u6s5l.

Guest
[spoil]Shaggy Rogers on 01.11. at 01:28
*Circ Mail*

I am putting a ban on anyone posting anything on the Externals. It really is pointless at this stage of the game.

Lets do our talking here and let the babies carry on bickering between them selfs there.

Let me make this clear, NO POSTING ON EXTERNALS.

If you have any problems/concerns about this Let me know.

Thanks
Jamie[/spoil]

Maybe you didn't get the mail, but if you did then I'm sorry that you're attempting to lie to save Shaggy's behind :icon_neutral:.
 

DeletedUser107936

Guest
If I where you U6 I would see a Doctor, the chip you have is seriously damaging you.
 
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