DeletedUser
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having larger mines does not give you an advantage over other players. it makes you a target for the farming
DeletedUser
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masterretsam seems to be pumping out troops faster than you are, but I wonder if his queues are constantly full.
I wouldn't call it pitwhoring, but you're definitely putting the pits to use setup-wise.
I like masterretsam's build, but I haven't the troop count / activity level to manage it.
ToPaT
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I'd love to know the data behind at what point does it make it generally more efficient to build pits over LC or Sp ((for the turtles))
For example;
0 looted per day. Best pit option = 30/30/30
etc
For example;
0 looted per day. Best pit option = 30/30/30
etc
DeletedUser
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That was the initial aim of the thread, I want to know who's benefiting from pits and who thinks that in the not-so-long run, what ratio of pits to LC would be most efficient.
It really depends heavily on your location and barb surroundings, but say two people have similar locations, how would they fare if they focused on one or the other and vice versa.
It really depends heavily on your location and barb surroundings, but say two people have similar locations, how would they fare if they focused on one or the other and vice versa.
ALessonInPointWhoring
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If farming was really adequate with 4/2/8 you'd be ranked up near where I am. Handicapping your growth to be "cool" and have low mines doesn't make farming adequate.
I'm more than willing for you to try and test this theory. I have the highest mines of anyone near me, yet I can promise you I wouldn't make a very good farm, at all.
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DeletedUser
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I usually get constant spear queue and then raise mines with spare resources, there's no reason not to. Mine are at 13/11/9 atm with 350 odd spears, and have just built lvl 3 stable. Gonna get constant lc and spear queue and then minewhore some more, no reason to up HQ when i'm soloing during college time. (at least not yet). Mines are underrated, people don't build them because it's considered nooby (quite like building defence on speed worlds).
ToPaT
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6/3/3 at the minute, going for the much stigmatized iron mine push now, will either stop at 15, 18 or 20 iron mine, not too sure. Others can be brought up a bit later on I guess.
DeletedUser
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You missunderstand my point of view. All I meant to say was that, this early in the game, dont rush for mines if it will damage youre spear and LC flow. You obviously farm a lot and as a result, you have high mines. I do apologize if i am speaking of things you already know but i am still fairly new to TW and i like to think that i am getting the grasp of things.
DeletedUser
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you can figure a troop count where its better to buy mines instead, based on the resources that you will be hauling from your farms and how far away you're tapping villages for resources.
here's a chart, just to get an idea at a quick glance
[spoil]mine sets (ie, lvl 1 timber+clay+iron; lvl 2 timber+clay+iron, etc)
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lvl raw cost payout per hr return time (hrs) payout/cost
1 515 75 6.87 0.14563
2 647.78 15 43.19 0.02316
3 814.88 18 45.27 0.02209
4 1025.21 18 56.96 0.01756
5 1289.98 24 53.75 0.01860
6 1623.32 27 60.12 0.01663
7 2043.04 30 68.1 0.01468
8 2571.59 36 71.43 0.01400
9 3237.26 42 77.08 0.01297
10 4075.72 51 79.92 0.01251
11 5131.94 57 90.03 0.01111
12 6462.64 66 97.92 0.01021
13 8139.33 78 104.35 0.00958
14 10252.24 90 113.91 0.00878
15 12915.13 105 123 0.00813
16 16271.58 120 135.6 0.00737
17 20502.68 144 142.38 0.00702
18 25836.98 162 159.49 0.00627
19 32562.9 192 169.6 0.00590
20 41044.41 225 182.42 0.00548
21 51741 258 200.55 0.00499
22 65232.65 303 215.29 0.00464
23 82251.65 348 236.36 0.00423
24 103722.58 408 254.22 0.00393
25 130813.01 474 275.98 0.00362
26 164997.48 552 298.91 0.00335
27 208138.39 642 324.2 0.00308
28 262588.29 747 351.52 0.00284
29 331319.17 867 382.14 0.00262
30 418085.97 1011 413.54 0.00242light cavalry (only if they are getting full hauls every time and never idle)
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distance Raw cost payout per hr return time (hrs) payout/cost
1 475 240 1.98 0.505263
2 475 120 3.96 0.252632
3 475 80 5.94 0.168421
4 475 60 7.92 0.126316
5 475 48 9.9 0.101053
6 475 40 11.88 0.084211
7 475 34.29 13.85 0.072180
8 475 30 15.83 0.063158
9 475 26.67 17.81 0.056140
10 475 24 19.79 0.050526
11 475 21.82 21.77 0.045933
12 475 20 23.75 0.042105
13 475 18.46 25.73 0.038866
14 475 17.14 27.71 0.036090
15 475 16 29.69 0.033684
16 475 15 31.67 0.031579
17 475 14.12 33.65 0.029721
18 475 13.33 35.63 0.028070
19 475 12.63 37.6 0.026593
20 475 12 39.58 0.025263
21 475 11.43 41.56 0.024060
22 475 10.91 43.54 0.022967
23 475 10.43 45.52 0.021968
24 475 10 47.5 0.021053
25 475 9.6 49.48 0.020211
26 475 9.23 51.46 0.019433
27 475 8.89 53.44 0.018713
28 475 8.57 55.42 0.018045
29 475 8.28 57.4 0.017423
30 475 8 59.38 0.016842spear fighters (only if they are getting full hauls every time and never idle)
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distance Raw cost payout per hr return time (hrs) payout/cost
1 90 41.67 2.16 0.462963
2 90 20.83 4.32 0.231481
3 90 13.89 6.48 0.154321
4 90 10.42 8.64 0.115741
5 90 8.33 10.8 0.092593
6 90 6.94 12.96 0.077160
7 90 5.95 15.12 0.066138
8 90 5.21 17.28 0.057870
9 90 4.63 19.44 0.051440
10 90 4.17 21.6 0.046296
11 90 3.79 23.76 0.042088
12 90 3.47 25.92 0.038580
13 90 3.21 28.08 0.035613
14 90 2.98 30.24 0.033069
15 90 2.78 32.4 0.030864
16 90 2.6 34.56 0.028935
17 90 2.45 36.72 0.027233
18 90 2.31 38.88 0.025720
19 90 2.19 41.04 0.024366
20 90 2.08 43.2 0.023148
21 90 1.98 45.36 0.022046
22 90 1.89 47.52 0.021044
23 90 1.81 49.68 0.020129
24 90 1.74 51.84 0.019290
25 90 1.67 54 0.018519
26 90 1.6 56.16 0.017806
27 90 1.54 58.32 0.017147
28 90 1.49 60.48 0.016534
29 90 1.44 62.64 0.015964
30 90 1.39 64.8 0.015432obviously if you do not get full hauls then you'll need to account for that. for example if you average 30% of production looted in a village then you'll need a modifier of 0.3 for the payout of making troops to pillage that village
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DeletedUser
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I believe this world is to easy for you. Therefore whoring HQ, however if you was in competition you would have a higher stable levels compared to HQ. Your area must be good. :icon_cool:
DeletedUser
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masterretsam seems to be growing quite quickly now. Village build with high barracks and stables has fared him quite well. He should be in the lead within the next 24 hours.
ALessonInPointWhoring
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I doubt he'll take the lead until at the very very earliest smithy rush if I begin it before he does.
DeletedUser
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Perhaps, and do keep up the pace, watching the race to #1 is pretty entertaining 
DeletedUser103944
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Very much doubt that, unless Nauz starts upping his smithy right now.
ALessonInPointWhoring
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My area was awful till it started barbing out after BP, still somewhat bad due to several banned neighbors, I wasn't even rank 500 when BP dropped.
Tick Noby and New-HexOr were the two top accounts early on.
For this example I'll use myself as the baseline.
When I was 200 points they were:
Tick Noby: 281
New-HexOR: 280
When I was 300:
Tick Noby: 360
New-HexOR: 387
When I was 400:
Tick Noby: 482
New-HexOR: 524
Wasn't even top 20 till 419 points. Just started HQ rushing before anyone else so shot from rank 19 to rank 3 once I did enter and then gradually grinded away the gap between rank 1 and 3.
DeletedUser
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That really is, alessoninpointwhoring.
DeletedUser
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timpothypwn, do you not have a tribe in world 62 being beaten? You stepped down from being a duke because you did not have time. And here I find you trolling with Nauz
DeletedUser
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ToPaT!!
DeletedUser
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That's the story
I stepped down before war and stuff, it was Trinitarii who started offensive against WickeD. PM if you want to know more, this isn't the place.
DeletedUser1082
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I find I upgrade the resource buildings only when my farming income makes the cost of the upgrade trivial. Having intentionally low mines is no badge of honor.
