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[8/7/2009 10:59:07 PM] Darkaniken2: I feel kinda stupid
[8/7/2009 10:59:20 PM] HPG: Good, you should >.>
[8/7/2009 10:59:22 PM] Darkaniken2:
[8/7/2009 10:59:23 PM] HPG: That was major fail..
[8/7/2009 10:59:28 PM] HPG: Like.. Huge...
[8/7/2009 10:59:32 PM] Darkaniken2: stfu
[8/7/2009 10:59:35 PM] HPG:
[8/7/2009 10:59:44 PM] HPG: You should go commit suicide for that fail...
[8/7/2009 10:59:49 PM] Darkaniken2: Meh
[8/7/2009 10:59:57 PM] Darkaniken2: Then'd I'd have to go to more counciling.
[8/7/2009 11:00:01 PM] Darkaniken2: So, no thanks.
[8/7/2009 11:00:02 PM] HPG: Not try
[8/7/2009 11:00:05 PM] HPG: Actually do
[8/7/2009 11:00:13 PM] Darkaniken2: It's harder than you'd think.
[8/7/2009 11:00:15 PM | Edited 11:00:22 PM] HPG: God you idiot, get it right this time... Shesh...
[8/7/2009 11:00:26 PM] HPG: Hint: USE BIGGER PILLOW
[8/7/2009 11:00:31 PM] Darkaniken2: You go kill yourself and see how easy it is.
[8/7/2009 11:00:39 PM] HPG: It is pretty easy...
[8/7/2009 11:00:43 PM] Darkaniken2: No.
[8/7/2009 11:00:46 PM] Darkaniken2: It's not.
[8/7/2009 11:00:47 PM] HPG: Steal car...
[8/7/2009 11:00:50 PM] HPG: Drive in lake
[8/7/2009 11:00:55 PM] HPG: Sink to bottom
[8/7/2009 11:00:57 PM] Darkaniken2: Again, it's not.
[8/7/2009 11:00:57 PM] HPG: Kick out window
[8/7/2009 11:01:05 PM] Darkaniken2: Because no matter what you do
[8/7/2009 11:01:15 PM] Darkaniken2: You'll always think about exactly what you are doing right before you do it.
[8/7/2009 11:01:29 PM] Darkaniken2: Which makes it 10x harder than it should be.
[8/7/2009 11:01:40 PM] Darkaniken2: Ceasing to exist is a big bridge to cross.
[8/7/2009 11:01:42 PM] HPG: Not if you DO it.. Not TRY to do it >.>
[8/7/2009 11:01:50 PM] HPG: If you DO it it's easy
[8/7/2009 11:01:53 PM] Darkaniken2: HPG, you have to TRY before you can DO
[8/7/2009 11:01:53 PM] HPG: If you TRY to do it.. It's hard
[8/7/2009 11:01:56 PM] HPG: Nah
[8/7/2009 11:02:00 PM] HPG: You don't have to try...
[8/7/2009 11:02:04 PM] HPG: Trying means there is room for failure..
[8/7/2009 11:02:07 PM] HPG: Doing means there isn't
[8/7/2009 11:02:08 PM] Darkaniken2: Has you ever tried?
[8/7/2009 11:02:13 PM] HPG: Of course not
[8/7/2009 11:02:19 PM] HPG: My life is near perfect
[8/7/2009 11:02:30 PM] HPG: Always has been
[8/7/2009 11:02:44 PM] HPG: I've never had any type of problem that I haven't been able to cope with
[8/7/2009 11:03:02 PM] HPG: And I most likely never will...
[8/7/2009 11:03:24 PM] Darkaniken2: :|
[8/7/2009 11:03:31 PM] HPG: It's actually rather strange...
[8/7/2009 11:03:44 PM] Darkaniken2: The only method of suicide I can think of that would be easy is to take a gun and point it at a cop.
[8/7/2009 11:03:56 PM] HPG: Isn't suicide then
[8/7/2009 11:04:07 PM] Darkaniken2: Suicide by cop is what it's offically labeled as.
[8/7/2009 11:04:10 PM | Edited 11:04:17 PM] HPG: Suicide by definition is taking one's own life..
[8/7/2009 11:04:15 PM] Darkaniken2: Well, when the gun is empty anyway.
[8/7/2009 11:04:24 PM] HPG: Not throwing it away
[8/7/2009 11:04:34 PM] Darkaniken2: That's the argument that makes it easy
[8/7/2009 11:04:49 PM] Darkaniken2: You're not really killing yourself, you're being murdered.
[8/7/2009 11:04:51 PM] HPG: You put your death in someone elses hands
[8/7/2009 11:05:02 PM] HPG: Hence it can't be suicide lol
[8/7/2009 11:05:03 PM] Darkaniken2: But in the end, you've got no one but yourself to blame
[8/7/2009 11:05:23 PM] Darkaniken2: And if you hadn't put forth the chain of events you did, you wouldn't be dead.
[8/7/2009 11:05:40 PM] HPG: Did you pull the trigger to the exact bullet that ended your life?
[8/7/2009 11:05:50 PM] Darkaniken2: Like I said
[8/7/2009 11:05:56 PM] Darkaniken2: You're argument is what makes it easy.
[8/7/2009 11:06:10 PM] HPG: Creating a chain of events isn't suicide.. lol...
[8/7/2009 11:06:13 PM] Darkaniken2: By definintion, it's not suicide
[8/7/2009 11:06:18 PM] HPG: Creating a chain and hanging yourself with it is
[8/7/2009 11:06:26 PM] Darkaniken2: But by public and professional opinion, it is.
[8/7/2009 11:06:33 PM] Darkaniken2:
[8/7/2009 11:06:59 PM] HPG: Public and professional opinion says I shouldn't be allowed to decide what to do on my own until I'm 21
[8/7/2009 11:07:15 PM] HPG: Not 18... That is the 'legal' age limit when you 'become a adult'
[8/7/2009 11:07:28 PM] Darkaniken2: And in the eyes of the law, that's fact.
[8/7/2009 11:07:29 PM] HPG: But professional opinion, and public, says you aren't a adult until you hold a job, and live in your own...
[8/7/2009 11:07:45 PM] Darkaniken2: Same with suicide by cop. If charges are pressed, the law will back the cop.
[8/7/2009 11:07:46 PM] HPG: And that isn't considered really 'doable' until you are 21 or older
[8/7/2009 11:08:04 PM] HPG: The public says nudity is wrong
[8/7/2009 11:08:20 PM] Darkaniken2: It is when naked people run through the streets.
[8/7/2009 11:08:23 PM] Darkaniken2: *shudder*
[8/7/2009 11:08:25 PM | Edited 11:08:44 PM] HPG: We are born nude... We bathe nude... We reproduce nude.. (Most of the time >.>)
[8/7/2009 11:08:42 PM] Darkaniken2: Ever seen a bald fat guy run through the streets nude?
[8/7/2009 11:08:48 PM] HPG: Doesn't matter
[8/7/2009 11:08:52 PM] HPG: I don't view nudity as wrong
[8/7/2009 11:08:53 PM] HPG: OR disgusting
[8/7/2009 11:08:55 PM] HPG: No matter who it is
[8/7/2009 11:08:56 PM] Darkaniken2: Well, I haven't, and I don't want to.
[8/7/2009 11:09:13 PM] Darkaniken2: Clothes were invented for a reason.
[8/7/2009 11:09:20 PM] HPG: Yes, they were
[8/7/2009 11:09:25 PM] HPG: For warmth
[8/7/2009 11:09:35 PM] HPG: NOT to cover are gentalia
[8/7/2009 11:09:48 PM] HPG: Survival insticts produced the first clothing
[8/7/2009 11:09:57 PM | Edited 11:10:06 PM] HPG: NOT social ambuigity
[8/7/2009 11:10:18 PM] Darkaniken2: Either way, it's something so integrated into our society, it will never change.
[8/7/2009 11:10:28 PM] HPG: So you say, and yet, one day, it could.
[8/7/2009 11:10:36 PM] Darkaniken2: I very much doupt that.
[8/7/2009 11:10:40 PM] HPG: All it takes is the right people doing it, and everyone else will follow.
[8/7/2009 11:10:42 PM] Darkaniken2: For two reasons.
[8/7/2009 11:10:43 PM] HPG: Those that don't
[8/7/2009 11:10:45 PM] HPG: Will eventually die
[8/7/2009 11:11:20 PM] Darkaniken2: The first is that humans have used clothes for social reasons for thousands of years now.
[8/7/2009 11:11:24 PM] HPG: That is true
[8/7/2009 11:11:39 PM | Edited 11:11:59 PM] HPG: And yet, find a graph on the % of nude colonies (In relevance to like, all the cities in the world) in the past 100 years..
[8/7/2009 11:12:37 PM] HPG: Over 4% of the world now views nudity as perfectly right, and that clothing should be optional.
[8/7/2009 11:12:42 PM] Darkaniken2: The second is that humans are a natrually destructive race. We kill each other in order to progress, which is in itself a backwards way to go about things. Humans gain more and more powerful ways to kill each other, and as such, we can kill more people with a single strike from a single weapon.
[8/7/2009 11:12:45 PM] HPG: 50 years ago, it was less than 1%
[8/7/2009 11:13:10 PM] Darkaniken2: The point of that paragraph is that humans will kill themselves before any significant social change such as this can occur.
[8/7/2009 11:13:20 PM] HPG: Oh really?
[8/7/2009 11:13:25 PM] Darkaniken2: Yea really.
[8/7/2009 11:13:30 PM] HPG: I can see half the world accepting nudity within the next century
[8/7/2009 11:13:43 PM] Darkaniken2: I can see half the world being radioactive in the same timeframe.
[8/7/2009 11:13:51 PM] HPG: And yet, mine is more likely
[8/7/2009 11:14:02 PM] HPG: Anyone with the balls to make the world doomed, isn't anywhere near the right buttons
[8/7/2009 11:14:14 PM] HPG: However...
[8/7/2009 11:14:22 PM] HPG: How many pervs are there in the world
[8/7/2009 11:14:27 PM] Darkaniken2: It just takes one
[8/7/2009 11:14:33 PM] Darkaniken2: One guy to fire one missle
[8/7/2009 11:14:38 PM] Darkaniken2: Will destroy the world.
[8/7/2009 11:14:41 PM] HPG: Nope
[8/7/2009 11:14:43 PM] Darkaniken2: Yes.
[8/7/2009 11:14:44 PM] HPG: Will be shot down lol
[8/7/2009 11:14:49 PM] Darkaniken2: It doesn't matter.
[8/7/2009 11:15:04 PM] Darkaniken2: The public and military would cry out for retaliation of the same kind.
[8/7/2009 11:15:13 PM] HPG: No they wouldn't...
[8/7/2009 11:15:15 PM] HPG: Not enough of them...
[8/7/2009 11:15:31 PM] Darkaniken2: Enough for the people in power to see a way to gain more power.
[8/7/2009 11:15:41 PM] HPG: Do you really think the people of the world want to see nuclear strikes across the globe?
[8/7/2009 11:15:52 PM] Darkaniken2: It doesn't have to be globally.
[8/7/2009 11:16:10 PM] HPG: Not a single country on EARTH has a tipped favor in that.
[8/7/2009 11:16:13 PM] Darkaniken2: Even a few isolated strikes would set humanity down a much, much different path than we are on.
[8/7/2009 11:16:15 PM] HPG: Anywhere
[8/7/2009 11:16:52 PM] Darkaniken2: Say North Korea uses a nuke they get from Iran. Which is possible, but not likely.
[8/7/2009 11:16:58 PM] Darkaniken2: We'd fire one right back.
[8/7/2009 11:17:02 PM] HPG: Nope
[8/7/2009 11:17:29 PM] Darkaniken2: So this is what you are saying.
[8/7/2009 11:17:34 PM] HPG: You would have to light up the entire US with nukes before our goverment launched a single one
[8/7/2009 11:17:53 PM] Darkaniken2: Someone fires a missle that could destroy a major city and kill millions upon millions of people
[8/7/2009 11:18:05 PM] HPG: And we would do everything within our power to shoot it down
[8/7/2009 11:18:12 PM] HPG: But we would not launch at them.. Not now...
[8/7/2009 11:18:12 PM] Darkaniken2: And if/when we fail to do that?
[8/7/2009 11:18:17 PM] HPG: Even if we fail..
[8/7/2009 11:18:23 PM] HPG: I never see the US ever launching a nuke
[8/7/2009 11:18:30 PM] Darkaniken2: Then the US government would collapse from the riots.
[8/7/2009 11:18:37 PM] Darkaniken2: I don't care what people say these days
[8/7/2009 11:18:40 PM] Darkaniken2: When 9/11 happened
[8/7/2009 11:18:47 PM] Darkaniken2: I don't know a damned person that wasn't for the war.
[8/7/2009 11:19:02 PM] HPG: People that don't believe in war >.>
[8/7/2009 11:19:11 PM] Darkaniken2: Now multiply that a thousand fold
[8/7/2009 11:19:20 PM] Darkaniken2: I don't know any that against war then.
[8/7/2009 11:19:31 PM] HPG: I know plenty of people that are against war..
[8/7/2009 11:19:39 PM] HPG: And I mean.. Against against
[8/7/2009 11:19:43 PM] HPG: Their are religions against war
[8/7/2009 11:19:58 PM] HPG: Any type of violence what so ever
[8/7/2009 11:20:03 PM] Darkaniken2: Because when someone kills that many innocent people, friends, family, coworkers, everyone who knew them wants blood.
[8/7/2009 11:20:14 PM] HPG: Incorrect
[8/7/2009 11:20:47 PM] HPG: There are people, that no matter what, will not ever show any type of revenge wants, or anything that would cause another human being harm
[8/7/2009 11:21:05 PM] HPG: Even if their children were killed in front of them
[8/7/2009 11:21:07 PM] HPG: They will mourn
[8/7/2009 11:21:17 PM] HPG: But they will do nothing to exact any type of revenge
[8/7/2009 11:21:36 PM] Darkaniken2: Then I envy those people.
[8/7/2009 11:21:47 PM] Darkaniken2: Because they must have a better mindset than the rest of humanity.
[8/7/2009 11:21:49 PM] HPG: They are very few and far inbetween
[8/7/2009 11:21:51 PM] HPG: And they do
[8/7/2009 11:21:58 PM] HPG: They are the people, that if they controlled the world...
[8/7/2009 11:22:02 PM] Darkaniken2: But I know that every person I know will fight back.
[8/7/2009 11:22:10 PM] HPG: The world really would be perfect if everything that they said, was done.
[8/7/2009 11:22:19 PM] Darkaniken2: If they controlled the world, honestly nothing would get done.
[8/7/2009 11:22:34 PM] Darkaniken2: Because sometimes, someone has to get hurt in order for us to progress.
[8/7/2009 11:22:41 PM] HPG: Nope
[8/7/2009 11:22:45 PM] Darkaniken2: Yes.
[8/7/2009 11:22:51 PM] HPG: Progress can always be made
[8/7/2009 11:23:01 PM] HPG: Without the oposite of progress being made
[8/7/2009 11:23:07 PM] Darkaniken2: In order for anyone to move forward in the world, someone else must get left behind.
[8/7/2009 11:23:20 PM] HPG: Not if everyone moves forward
[8/7/2009 11:23:38 PM] HPG: Why must someone suffer for someone else to be sucessful?
[8/7/2009 11:23:40 PM] Darkaniken2: If everyone is on the same level, then there is no compitition.
[8/7/2009 11:23:46 PM] HPG: Exactly
[8/7/2009 11:23:50 PM] Darkaniken2: And I spelled that wrong
[8/7/2009 11:23:51 PM] Darkaniken2: Badly
[8/7/2009 11:23:55 PM] Darkaniken2: Back to my point.
[8/7/2009 11:24:01 PM] HPG: With no competition, there would be no conflict
[8/7/2009 11:24:11 PM] HPG: With no conflict, there is no killing
[8/7/2009 11:24:22 PM] Darkaniken2: Without compitition, little to no progress is made.
[8/7/2009 11:24:29 PM] HPG: Again, wrong
[8/7/2009 11:24:36 PM] Darkaniken2: Corperations compete to make bigger and better cars, phones, computers.
[8/7/2009 11:24:36 PM] HPG: You are being too narrow minded
[8/7/2009 11:24:41 PM] Darkaniken2: Without that, there is no drive.
[8/7/2009 11:24:52 PM] HPG: There doesn't NEED to be a drive to make progress
[8/7/2009 11:24:54 PM] Darkaniken2: There is no reason behind moving forward.
[8/7/2009 11:25:01 PM] HPG: Progress would be made in the SAKE of progress being made
[8/7/2009 11:25:02 PM] Darkaniken2: Wrong.
[8/7/2009 11:25:03 PM] HPG: Not to be better
[8/7/2009 11:25:10 PM] HPG: Just to better the world
[8/7/2009 11:25:18 PM] Darkaniken2: Because there will never be enough people willing to sacrifice their own personal gain to help others.
[8/7/2009 11:25:28 PM] HPG: I will say it yet again
[8/7/2009 11:25:36 PM] HPG: The world really would be perfect if everything that they said, was done.
[8/7/2009 11:25:43 PM] HPG: if everything that they said, was done.
[8/7/2009 11:25:47 PM] HPG: If that were true
[8/7/2009 11:25:50 PM] HPG: The world would be perfect
[8/7/2009 11:25:57 PM] HPG: That is what I am bassing this all on
[8/7/2009 11:26:00 PM] HPG: The fact it could never happen
[8/7/2009 11:26:04 PM] HPG: Is irelevant
[8/7/2009 11:26:13 PM] Darkaniken2: I was basing it on the first assumption they ruled the world.
[8/7/2009 11:26:50 PM] HPG: If they ruled the world, and there word was law, and every law was followed, life would be perfect.. There would be no conflict, no poverty.. Nothing bad in the world...
[8/7/2009 11:27:01 PM] HPG: It's sad that nothing even close to that could ever become real
[8/7/2009 11:27:46 PM] Darkaniken2: The only flaw I see in that is that by making their word law you limit freedom.
[8/7/2009 11:28:03 PM] HPG: In a perfect world, there is no freedom
[8/7/2009 11:28:11 PM] HPG: There is no need for freedom
[8/7/2009 11:28:14 PM] Darkaniken2: Which makes it imperfect.
[8/7/2009 11:28:19 PM] Darkaniken2: Freedom is what defines us.
[8/7/2009 11:28:22 PM] HPG: Freedom is there because the world is imperfect
[8/7/2009 11:28:34 PM] HPG: Freedom is there, because we have to have it there..
[8/7/2009 11:28:38 PM | Edited 11:28:42 PM] Darkaniken2: Freedom makes us intelligent
[8/7/2009 11:28:42 PM] HPG: to justify the things we do, in the name of freedom
[8/7/2009 11:28:57 PM] HPG: Why does freedom make us intelligent
[8/7/2009 11:29:00 PM] Darkaniken2: Without freedom, we are mindless drones following a system laid before us.
[8/7/2009 11:29:10 PM] HPG: Freedom has killed so many millions of people
[8/7/2009 11:29:19 PM] HPG: The need for freedom
[8/7/2009 11:29:20 PM] Darkaniken2: And it has saved so many millions of others.
[8/7/2009 11:29:22 PM] HPG: Has killed so many more million
[8/7/2009 11:29:29 PM] HPG: If there were no need for freedom
[8/7/2009 11:29:39 PM] HPG: There would be no need to save those people
[8/7/2009 11:29:43 PM] HPG: They would not need to be saved
[8/7/2009 11:29:53 PM] HPG: It's a... Unending cycle..
[8/7/2009 11:30:25 PM] Darkaniken2: Yes, but if we follow the path laid before us, are we really alive?
[8/7/2009 11:30:29 PM] HPG: Everything that defines us as people, that gives us joy, that makes us happy, can all end up destoying us, killing us.
[8/7/2009 11:30:43 PM] Darkaniken2: Because we go through life without ever making a single choice.
[8/7/2009 11:30:58 PM] Darkaniken2: Which can hardly be called life at all.
[8/7/2009 11:30:59 PM] HPG: And without choice, fault cannot be made.
[8/7/2009 11:31:13 PM] Darkaniken2: Without fault, we can't better ourselves.
[8/7/2009 11:31:18 PM] Darkaniken2: It takes a mistake to see the correct path.
[8/7/2009 11:31:20 PM] HPG: In a perfect world
[8/7/2009 11:31:26 PM] HPG: there is no need to better ourself
[8/7/2009 11:31:31 PM] HPG: We are already perfect
[8/7/2009 11:31:36 PM] HPG: There is nothing that could be better
[8/7/2009 11:31:53 PM] HPG: Perfection, in itself, is the farthest thing from what makes us as human beings happy.
[8/7/2009 11:32:01 PM] Darkaniken2: Then there would be no meaning in time, no meaning in life, no meaning in anything.
[8/7/2009 11:32:11 PM] Darkaniken2: A world that you'd consider perfect I'd consider hell.
[8/7/2009 11:32:21 PM] HPG: Who says I consider it perfect?
[8/7/2009 11:32:30 PM] HPG: There is no such thing as a perfect world
[8/7/2009 11:32:33 PM] HPG: Because a
[8/7/2009 11:32:38 PM] HPG: World without calamity
[8/7/2009 11:32:41 PM] HPG: A world without hurt
[8/7/2009 11:32:44 PM] HPG: A world without pain
[8/7/2009 11:32:47 PM] HPG: A 'perfect world'
[8/7/2009 11:32:52 PM] HPG: Will always be without any feeling
[8/7/2009 11:33:03 PM] HPG: Perfection is not good or bad
[8/7/2009 11:33:09 PM] HPG: Being perfect
[8/7/2009 11:33:11 PM] HPG: Is to say..
[8/7/2009 11:33:17 PM] HPG: Being without confliction
[8/7/2009 11:33:20 PM] HPG: And as humans
[8/7/2009 11:33:29 PM] HPG: Confliction, may hurt us
[8/7/2009 11:33:34 PM] HPG: But, it makes us better
[8/7/2009 11:33:39 PM] HPG: It makes us think
[8/7/2009 11:33:42 PM] HPG: Things are good
[8/7/2009 11:33:53 PM] Darkaniken2: True.
[8/7/2009 11:33:55 PM] HPG: It all comes down to..
[8/7/2009 11:33:57 PM] HPG: Without bad..
[8/7/2009 11:33:59 PM] HPG: There is no good
[8/7/2009 11:34:06 PM] HPG: Without a low, there is no high
[8/7/2009 11:34:29 PM] HPG: If you went your whole life without being hurt...
[8/7/2009 11:34:40 PM] HPG: How would you know what, not being hurt is?
[8/7/2009 11:35:03 PM] HPG: If you didn't have a bad day ever...
[8/7/2009 11:35:08 PM] HPG: How can you know what a good day is?
[8/7/2009 11:35:50 PM] Darkaniken2: You can't.
[8/7/2009 11:36:01 PM] HPG: Perfection, is just something that ...
[8/7/2009 11:36:07 PM] HPG: Can't exist
[8/7/2009 11:36:22 PM] HPG: There is no real opposite to perfection
[8/7/2009 11:36:24 PM] Darkaniken2: Perfection is a dream that everyone strives for but no one really wants.
[8/7/2009 11:36:57 PM] Darkaniken2: Atleast, thats how I think of it.
[8/7/2009 11:37:14 PM] HPG: I mean.. How could you know what perfection.... Really is?
[8/7/2009 11:37:29 PM] HPG: You can't be perfect
[8/7/2009 11:37:31 PM] HPG: And have a flaw
[8/7/2009 11:37:33 PM] HPG: Without a flaw
[8/7/2009 11:37:37 PM] HPG: You can't know what perfect is
[8/7/2009 11:37:54 PM] Darkaniken2: It's a paradox and a contridiction.
[8/7/2009 11:38:09 PM] Darkaniken2: Perfect cannot exist because to be perfect you must be imperfect.
[8/7/2009 11:38:13 PM] HPG: And it's also one hell of a fucking topic to talk about for hours on end with absolutly anyone of any intelect level
[8/7/2009 11:38:24 PM] Darkaniken2:
[8/7/2009 11:38:31 PM] HPG: Because, no matter how much you can talk about perfection...
[8/7/2009 11:38:37 PM | Edited 11:38:41 PM] HPG: You can't ever come to a real conclusion
[8/7/2009 11:38:44 PM] Darkaniken2: Sure you can.
[8/7/2009 11:38:49 PM] HPG: What is perfect
[8/7/2009 11:38:53 PM] Darkaniken2: No.
[8/7/2009 11:39:02 PM] HPG: How do you define perfection
[8/7/2009 11:39:04 PM] Darkaniken2: You said that you cannot come to any conclusion about perfection.
[8/7/2009 11:39:11 PM] Darkaniken2: There is one you can.
[8/7/2009 11:39:13 PM] HPG: Can you ever really say it isn't possible?
[8/7/2009 11:39:17 PM] HPG: When...
[8/7/2009 11:39:20 PM] HPG: Sure
[8/7/2009 11:39:25 PM] HPG: We have tried our entire lives
[8/7/2009 11:39:28 PM] HPG: And no one has ever made it
[8/7/2009 11:39:33 PM] HPG: But..
[8/7/2009 11:39:42 PM] Darkaniken2: It's that it will never happen, because our imperfections are the only thing that make us closer to being perfect
[8/7/2009 11:39:43 PM] HPG: You can't say there is something that.. Is the opposite of perfection..
[8/7/2009 11:40:05 PM] Darkaniken2: To be right, there must be wrong, which destroys the concept of perfect.
[8/7/2009 11:40:07 PM] HPG: Perfection.. Is what we think of it...
[8/7/2009 11:40:16 PM] HPG: A person can think..
[8/7/2009 11:40:23 PM] HPG: A burger from mcdonalds is perfect
[8/7/2009 11:40:32 PM] HPG: That is has no flaw
[8/7/2009 11:40:37 PM] Darkaniken2: That person would be an idiot.
[8/7/2009 11:40:42 PM] HPG: It's a example
[8/7/2009 11:40:49 PM] Darkaniken2: Everyone knows sonic is way better.
[8/7/2009 11:40:58 PM] HPG: I thought my first time with my gf, was perfect
[8/7/2009 11:41:04 PM] HPG: I still think it too
[8/7/2009 11:41:08 PM | Edited 11:41:11 PM] HPG: Nothing went wrong
[8/7/2009 11:41:16 PM] HPG: It was everything I wanted it to be
[8/7/2009 11:41:25 PM] HPG: But
[8/7/2009 11:41:29 PM] HPG: It wasn't perfect
[8/7/2009 11:41:31 PM] Darkaniken2: The question is, could it have been more?
[8/7/2009 11:41:34 PM] HPG: My mind just thinks it is
[8/7/2009 11:41:56 PM] Darkaniken2: If it can be more than it is, then it's not yet perfect.
[8/7/2009 11:42:04 PM] HPG: Nothing in life is perfect, but you can think it is, and that burger just tastes better when you really convince yourself
[8/7/2009 11:42:24 PM] HPG: Any person can think any thing is perfect..
[8/7/2009 11:42:35 PM] HPG: It's not
[8/7/2009 11:42:37 PM] HPG: Never was
[8/7/2009 11:42:39 PM] HPG: Never could be
[8/7/2009 11:42:47 PM] HPG: But
[8/7/2009 11:42:55 PM] HPG: You are the one that decides if it was
[8/7/2009 11:43:03 PM] HPG: Not reality
[8/7/2009 11:43:10 PM] HPG: Perfection is a fantasy
[8/7/2009 11:43:15 PM] Darkaniken2: Like I said
[8/7/2009 11:43:21 PM] HPG: Fantasies are fufilled every single second of every single day
[8/7/2009 11:43:36 PM] Darkaniken2: Perfection is a dream that everyone strives for but no one really wants.
[8/7/2009 11:43:47 PM] HPG: Of course you want perfection..
[8/7/2009 11:43:51 PM] HPG: But only because you haven't had it
[8/7/2009 11:43:58 PM] Darkaniken2: Do you?
[8/7/2009 11:43:59 PM] HPG: One single second of real perfection on this world
[8/7/2009 11:44:05 PM] Darkaniken2: Do you realy want perfection?
[8/7/2009 11:44:08 PM] HPG: And everyone would kill themself
[8/7/2009 11:44:13 PM] Darkaniken2: If it is perfect, what is left to do?
[8/7/2009 11:44:22 PM] HPG: Even knowing that
[8/7/2009 11:44:24 PM] HPG: You still want it don't you
[8/7/2009 11:44:26 PM] HPG: Just to see
[8/7/2009 11:44:27 PM] HPG: What it is
[8/7/2009 11:44:30 PM] Darkaniken2: So no, no one who stops to think about it really wants it.
[8/7/2009 11:44:38 PM] Darkaniken2: But everyone strives to be perfect.
[8/7/2009 11:44:41 PM] HPG: If you are perfect
[8/7/2009 11:44:50 PM] HPG: Isn't there everything left to do?
[8/7/2009 11:45:06 PM] HPG: If that is what you think perfect is
[8/7/2009 11:45:07 PM] Darkaniken2: No, because if your perfect, you've accomplished everything.
[8/7/2009 11:45:13 PM] HPG: So says who?
[8/7/2009 11:46:07 PM] Darkaniken2: 6. thorough; complete; utter
[8/7/2009 11:46:10 PM] Darkaniken2: So says the dictionary.
[8/7/2009 11:46:25 PM] HPG: Perfection, is something that you want above anything else, no matter what you want, to any degree, fufilling everything you WANT doesn't mean there is nothing to do.. It just means you have done everything that would make you happy in the whole world... And.. Wouldn't that bring you to a state of happiness nothing could ever deminish in any way?
[8/7/2009 11:46:41 PM] HPG: And, if you are happy for ever...
[8/7/2009 11:46:54 PM] HPG: Why wouldn't you want it?
[8/7/2009 11:46:57 PM] HPG: No more pain
[8/7/2009 11:47:02 PM] HPG: No more hurt
[8/7/2009 11:47:19 PM] Darkaniken2: You'd forget what happy is.
[8/7/2009 11:47:46 PM | Edited 11:47:52 PM] HPG: You say all of this, but can you honestly say you don't want to be happy forever?
[8/7/2009 11:47:58 PM] Darkaniken2: 90%, yes.
[8/7/2009 11:48:25 PM] HPG: You want to feel the pain of losing your loved ones
[8/7/2009 11:48:38 PM] HPG: Want to feel the depression of losing people close to you
[8/7/2009 11:48:46 PM] Darkaniken2: As cold as it sounds, I want to experiance everything, atleast once.
[8/7/2009 11:48:53 PM] HPG: You already have
[8/7/2009 11:48:59 PM] HPG: Even if you don't think you have
[8/7/2009 11:49:09 PM] Darkaniken2: I've never lost anyone close to me.
[8/7/2009 11:49:22 PM] HPG: When we are born, everything is within us..
[8/7/2009 11:49:22 PM] Darkaniken2: Never lost someone I'd shed tears for.
[8/7/2009 11:49:25 PM] HPG: Every feeling
[8/7/2009 11:49:30 PM] HPG: Everything...
[8/7/2009 11:49:49 PM] Darkaniken2: To really see how good life is, you must first feel how bad it can be.
[8/7/2009 11:50:03 PM] HPG: And the second you are born, I believe you feel everything..
[8/7/2009 11:50:10 PM] HPG: Every single feeling in the world
[8/7/2009 11:50:11 PM] Darkaniken2: Yes, but does it matter?
[8/7/2009 11:50:15 PM] Darkaniken2: Because you can never remember it.
[8/7/2009 11:50:19 PM] HPG: Of course not
[8/7/2009 11:50:27 PM] HPG: You say you can't remember it..
[8/7/2009 11:50:28 PM] HPG: but..
[8/7/2009 11:50:31 PM] Darkaniken2: It's not physically possible, so it's irrelevent.
[8/7/2009 11:50:34 PM] HPG: How do you place what fear is?
[8/7/2009 11:50:36 PM] HPG: Sadness?
[8/7/2009 11:50:40 PM] HPG: How do you feel it..
[8/7/2009 11:50:44 PM] HPG: Human instinct?
[8/7/2009 11:50:51 PM] Darkaniken2: It's bred into you.
[8/7/2009 11:50:54 PM] HPG: Something inside you tells you to
[8/7/2009 11:50:55 PM] HPG: No
[8/7/2009 11:51:02 PM] HPG: Fear isn't bred into you
[8/7/2009 11:51:06 PM] HPG: Sadness isn't
[8/7/2009 11:51:08 PM] HPG: Things are done
[8/7/2009 11:51:11 PM] HPG: Things are said
[8/7/2009 11:51:20 PM] HPG: But you can't bred a feeling into someone
[8/7/2009 11:51:27 PM] HPG: breed*
[8/7/2009 11:51:39 PM] HPG: People are born with the ability to feel it
[8/7/2009 11:51:39 PM] Darkaniken2: I believe if you are born into a world where there are no emotions shown to you, and you never feel pain, basically living in a ventilated glass box deep underground, you will never feel.
[8/7/2009 11:51:43 PM] Darkaniken2: And fear is an instinct.
[8/7/2009 11:51:49 PM] Darkaniken2: Fear is the need to survive.
[8/7/2009 11:52:00 PM] Darkaniken2: The lesser fears we face are things we are taught to fear.
[8/7/2009 11:52:02 PM] HPG: Which means it's in you when you are born
[8/7/2009 11:52:07 PM] Darkaniken2: I agree.
[8/7/2009 11:52:17 PM] HPG: Just like the ability to feel physical pain is
[8/7/2009 11:52:18 PM] Darkaniken2: Fear is the only emotion you are born with.
[8/7/2009 11:52:20 PM] HPG: Feeling it
[8/7/2009 11:52:23 PM] HPG: And processing it
[8/7/2009 11:52:26 PM] HPG: Two different things
[8/7/2009 11:53:02 PM] HPG: So you are taught to feel sad?
[8/7/2009 11:53:12 PM] Darkaniken2: In my opinion, yes.
[8/7/2009 11:53:18 PM] HPG: You cannot feel sad unless you are taught how to feel sad?
[8/7/2009 11:53:23 PM] Darkaniken2: Or rather
[8/7/2009 11:53:26 PM] Darkaniken2: You adapt to feel sad.
[8/7/2009 11:53:36 PM] Darkaniken2: You see others doing it, and you automaticlly copy it.
[8/7/2009 11:53:44 PM] HPG: Because human instinct says that it's what you need to do
[8/7/2009 11:53:59 PM] Darkaniken2: Because humans do what other humans do.
[8/7/2009 11:54:08 PM] HPG: Then what did the first humans do
[8/7/2009 11:54:10 PM] Darkaniken2: Especially when they are young.
[8/7/2009 11:54:35 PM] Darkaniken2: I have no idea what they did. No one does, and anyone who says otherwise is smoking something.
[8/7/2009 11:54:47 PM] HPG: Who did they copy
[8/7/2009 11:54:50 PM] HPG: Who taught them
[8/7/2009 11:54:52 PM] Darkaniken2: We don't even know how long humans have been around
[8/7/2009 11:54:59 PM] HPG: There has to be a first though
[8/7/2009 11:55:04 PM] HPG: No matter what anyone says
[8/7/2009 11:55:13 PM] Darkaniken2: Yes, but the time period could have effected it.
[8/7/2009 11:55:15 PM] HPG: There is always a beginning
[8/7/2009 11:55:32 PM] Darkaniken2: Who's to say that we are the only species that was every able to thing independently to live on earth.
[8/7/2009 11:55:39 PM] Darkaniken2: Thats mighty arrogant.
[8/7/2009 11:55:45 PM] HPG: So they taught us?
[8/7/2009 11:55:50 PM] HPG: Who taught them
[8/7/2009 11:55:56 PM] HPG: There is always a beginning
[8/7/2009 11:56:14 PM] HPG: They just knew what to do?
[8/7/2009 11:56:30 PM] Darkaniken2: Maybe they were born with the instinct. But I do not feel humans are, because there are a number of humans unable to.
[8/7/2009 11:56:43 PM] HPG: And I quote myself again...
[8/7/2009 11:57:07 PM] HPG: People are born with the ability to feel it
[8/7/2009 11:57:15 PM] HPG: Feeling it
And processing it
Two different things
[8/7/2009 11:57:23 PM] HPG: Just because you don't show emotion
[8/7/2009 11:57:26 PM | Edited 11:57:31 PM] HPG: Doesn't mean you don't feel it
[8/7/2009 11:57:36 PM] HPG: We are not taught to feel it
[8/7/2009 11:57:42 PM] HPG: We are taught to process it
[8/7/2009 11:57:45 PM] HPG: To show it
[8/7/2009 11:58:24 PM] Darkaniken2: Eh.
[8/7/2009 11:58:27 PM] Darkaniken2: I'll say this.
[8/7/2009 11:59:05 PM] Darkaniken2: It's another argument that can never be won by either side because we can't offer any proof that enought people would accept to make it be called fact.
[8/7/2009 11:59:17 PM] HPG: Sure ya can..
[8/7/2009 11:59:26 PM] HPG: Are you saying there are people that cannot feel anything?
[8/7/2009 11:59:32 PM] Darkaniken2: Are you saying there aren't?
[8/7/2009 11:59:41 PM] HPG: Yes
[8/7/2009 11:59:58 PM] HPG: There are people that don't know what emotion is
[12:00:03 AM] Darkaniken2: Now, how do you prove it?
[12:00:05 AM] HPG: That cannot process any type of emotion
[12:00:19 AM] HPG: But they still feel something
[12:00:26 AM] HPG: They just don't know what to do with it
[12:00:29 AM] Darkaniken2: And you can be certain of it?
[12:00:32 AM] HPG: Yes
[12:00:35 AM] Darkaniken2: How?
[12:00:42 AM] Darkaniken2: Because you feel it?
[12:00:52 AM] HPG: Find someone that can't feel it
[12:00:56 AM] HPG: that says
[12:00:59 AM] HPG: nothing
[12:01:03 AM] HPG: that
[12:01:04 AM] HPG: it is nothing
[12:01:08 AM] HPG: that
[12:01:11 AM] HPG: there is nothing
[12:01:13 AM] HPG: that
[12:01:17 AM] HPG: there can be nothing
[12:01:19 AM] HPG: at all
[12:01:21 AM] HPG: with anything
[12:01:21 AM] Darkaniken2: I repeat
[12:01:27 AM] Darkaniken2: I can't prove there are people like that
[12:01:34 AM] Darkaniken2: but you can't prove that there aren't.
[12:01:37 AM | Edited 12:01:40 AM] HPG: Sure I can
[12:01:46 AM] HPG: thousands of years
[12:01:51 AM] HPG: No one has ever found someone like it
[12:02:01 AM] Darkaniken2: So you can prove, without a doupt, that the current 6+billion people all feel?
[12:02:06 AM] HPG: Yup
[12:02:09 AM] HPG: Because if they didn't
[12:02:12 AM] HPG: Everyone would know
[12:02:37 AM] Darkaniken2: If you don't feel, you are in essence blank, correct?
[12:02:40 AM] HPG: Thousands of years, no one has not felt
[12:02:50 AM] HPG: But
[12:02:55 AM] HPG: If you are in essence blank
[12:02:58 AM] HPG: You feel, blank
[12:03:09 AM] Darkaniken2: No, I'm saying how others would percieve you
[12:03:15 AM] Darkaniken2: Not how you percieve youself
[12:03:22 AM] HPG: Sure there are people that 'percieve' people as feeling nothing
[12:03:24 AM] HPG: But
[12:03:28 AM] HPG: When you are feeling nothing.
[12:03:31 AM] HPG: You are still feeling
[12:03:41 AM] HPG: Feeling empty
[12:03:43 AM] HPG: Absense
[12:03:53 AM] HPG: Feeling no emotion
[12:03:58 AM] HPG: Would be feeling a emotion
[12:04:03 AM] Darkaniken2: If you start saying that nothing is something, you change the meaning of the word.
[12:04:15 AM | Edited 12:04:20 AM] HPG: Have you ever felt emotionless?
[12:04:25 AM] HPG: Felt like you feel no emotion
[12:04:35 AM] HPG: No happiness
[12:04:35 AM] Darkaniken2: That I can recall? Not really. Because bored is an emotion.
[12:04:36 AM] HPG: No sadness
[12:04:39 AM] HPG: Nothing in between
[12:04:46 AM] HPG: I have felt no sadness
[12:04:48 AM] HPG: No happiness
[12:04:49 AM] HPG: No boredness
[12:04:51 AM] HPG: No sickness
[12:04:54 AM] HPG: No numbness even
[12:05:05 AM] HPG: But I still felt something...
[12:05:17 AM] HPG: It was..
[12:05:25 AM] HPG: Like I said..
[12:05:31 AM] HPG: Feeling empty
Absense
[12:05:45 AM] Darkaniken2: Being empty and feeling nothing are different.
[12:05:47 AM] HPG: Being devoid of every emotion I have ever known..
[12:05:50 AM] HPG: makes me feel empty
[12:06:07 AM] HPG: You said people are born with the instinct to fear
[12:06:08 AM] Darkaniken2: To feel empty, you have to have felt something else.
[12:06:19 AM] HPG: That means they feel fear
[12:06:28 AM] HPG: And babies do feel fear
[12:06:33 AM] Darkaniken2: What I'm saying is what if there are people born without that instinct.
[12:06:37 AM] HPG: How
[12:06:40 AM] HPG: All babies cry
[12:06:45 AM] HPG: Unless still born
[12:06:46 AM] Darkaniken2: No.
[12:06:49 AM] HPG: Or unable to breath
[12:06:52 AM] Darkaniken2: All babies do not cry.
[12:07:07 AM] HPG: Really, you know of a baby that never let out any whine or whimper of any kind at all
[12:07:16 AM] Darkaniken2: I've only seen one, but it did not cry.
[12:07:29 AM] HPG: How do you know it didn't cry before you saw it? Or after?
[12:07:35 AM] Darkaniken2: Yes, but it lived less than a day.
[12:07:41 AM] Darkaniken2: Because it's entire life was on camera.
[12:07:44 AM] HPG: Which means it felt sickness
[12:07:48 AM] HPG: It felt weak
[12:07:53 AM] HPG: It felt death
[12:07:58 AM] Darkaniken2: The child was born entirely healthy, said the doctors.
[12:08:03 AM] Darkaniken2: It just... died.
[12:08:07 AM] HPG: It felt death
[12:08:15 AM] Darkaniken2: How do you feel death?
[12:08:21 AM] HPG: You are kidding right?
[12:08:25 AM] Darkaniken2: Once your dead, you don't feel...
[12:08:28 AM] HPG: But
[12:08:33 AM] HPG: In that instance you die
[12:08:36 AM] HPG: You feel
[12:08:37 AM] HPG: Because
[12:08:40 AM] HPG: You aren't dead yet
[12:08:46 AM] HPG: You are in the exact instance of dying
[12:08:49 AM] HPG: Therefore you feel death
[12:09:00 AM] HPG: You say that baby was perfectly healthy?
[12:09:08 AM] HPG: All tip top nothin wrong with it?
[12:09:13 AM] Darkaniken2: According the the doctors, yea.
[12:09:17 AM] HPG: Then it felt touch
[12:09:23 AM] HPG: And touch creates feeling
[12:09:33 AM] HPG: Babies associate touch
[12:09:35 AM] HPG: With feeling
[12:09:39 AM] HPG: Soft with content (usually)
[12:09:45 AM] HPG: Rough with disdain.. Thus crying
[12:09:51 AM] HPG: OR something of the like
[12:10:14 AM] Darkaniken2: The way I looked at it at the time was different then what I think now, because I think what I thought then was stupid.
[12:10:17 AM] HPG: Someone that didn't feel.. Wouldn't 'feel' the need to blink right?
[12:10:33 AM] HPG: They would do it on instinct
[12:10:33 AM] Darkaniken2: I looked at it like what if the baby knew it was going to die, and had already accepted that fact
[12:10:56 AM] HPG: You can accept the fact of something without feeling?
[12:11:11 AM] Darkaniken2: But that's illogical. So I changed my view.
[12:11:21 AM] HPG: Someone that didn't feel.. Wouldn't 'feel' the need to blink right?
They would do it on instinct
[12:11:24 AM] HPG: Did the baby blink?
[12:11:38 AM] Darkaniken2: Probably.
[12:11:41 AM] HPG: Instinct tells us we need to blink
[12:11:43 AM] HPG: To breath
[12:11:49 AM] HPG: right?
[12:11:54 AM] Darkaniken2: Correct.
[12:11:59 AM] HPG: Because instinct makes us feel the need to breath
[12:12:00 AM] HPG: And to blink
[12:12:14 AM] HPG: Crack that one
[12:12:35 AM] Darkaniken2: How are instinct and emotion the same thing?
[12:12:36 AM] HPG: Unless you think need isn't a feeling
[12:12:45 AM] HPG: They aren't the same, they are linked
[12:13:12 AM] HPG: To have instinct, is to feel the need to have to do something, because you FEEL that you NEED to do this to live.
[12:14:30 AM] HPG: I don't tell myself to breath.. I just do, because I need it to live.. And to be honest... I kind of feel that living is something I'm supposed to do...
[12:14:34 AM] HPG: So.. I do it
[12:15:10 AM] HPG: Can you say that you need to do something, without feeling the need to do it? If I just stopped breathing, I would feel pain...
[12:15:42 AM] HPG: And.. Babies feel alive don't they?
[12:15:56 AM] Darkaniken2: Maybe. How do we know? Care to ask one?
[12:16:05 AM] HPG: Teh don't have a fking clue as to what it is...
[12:16:14 AM] HPG: But how can you not feel alive, if you are alive?
[12:16:50 AM] HPG: Let's say baby can't feel physical, you don't feel alive really, it's... Nothingness?
[12:16:56 AM] HPG: Right?
[12:17:22 AM] HPG: Instinct tells us we should feel alive... That's why feeling numb/nothingness royally fucks with our head..
[12:17:30 AM] HPG: Cus.. Instinct tells us, that shit ain't right..
[12:17:54 AM] Darkaniken2: Maybe it isn't right, but if something is wrong does that mean it isn't?
[12:18:10 AM] HPG: Well, if you don't feel alive..
[12:18:12 AM] HPG: What do you feel
[12:18:19 AM] Darkaniken2: Exactly.
[12:18:21 AM | Edited 12:18:29 AM] HPG: The opposite of alive..
[12:18:24 AM] HPG: You feel dead
[12:18:30 AM] Darkaniken2: You feel nothing at all.
[12:18:38 AM] Darkaniken2: You just.... are.
[12:18:48 AM] HPG: But it's not possible to get to that point
[12:19:02 AM] HPG: Because..
[12:19:10 AM] HPG: How can you feel nothing... If you haven't felt something
[12:19:26 AM] HPG: Balence of having to feel one thing to feel another isn't it?
[12:19:32 AM] Darkaniken2: It's possible to be nothing without having been something.
[12:19:35 AM] HPG: Feeling nothing, means feeling isn't feeling..
[12:19:38 AM] HPG: Feeling isn't ...
[12:19:40 AM] HPG: Just isn't
[12:19:43 AM] HPG: It's not nothing
[12:19:44 AM] HPG: It's just..
[12:19:46 AM] HPG: Not
[12:19:49 AM] HPG: Feeling is..
[12:19:56 AM] Darkaniken2: BAH
[12:20:03 AM] Darkaniken2: This is giving me a headache
[12:20:12 AM] HPG: It's possible to be nothing without having been something.
[12:20:14 AM] HPG: How
[12:20:23 AM] Darkaniken2: ANYWAY, emotions are just chemicals in your brain.
[12:20:30 AM] Darkaniken2: Emotion ceases when those chemicals cease.
[12:20:37 AM] Darkaniken2: IE, when you die.
[12:20:41 AM] HPG: And it's too bad you can't live without those chemicals huh
[12:20:48 AM] HPG: So..
[12:20:51 AM] HPG: What you are saying is
[12:20:53 AM] Darkaniken2: Can we prove it?
[12:21:00 AM] Darkaniken2: Are we willing to take those chemicals away from someone?
[12:21:01 AM] HPG: Take the chemicals out
[12:21:03 AM] HPG: It kills a person
[12:21:04 AM] Darkaniken2: And see what happens
[12:21:05 AM] HPG: It's been done
[12:21:21 AM] Darkaniken2: Is it even possible?
[12:21:22 AM] HPG: You can't even take away all the chemicals... before someone dies
[12:21:27 AM] HPG: Well
[12:21:29 AM] HPG: Not take away
[12:21:30 AM] HPG: But destroy
[12:21:32 AM | Edited 12:21:41 AM] Darkaniken2: To remove what makes the chemicals without damanging something else
[12:21:34 AM] HPG: Which is the same
[12:21:38 AM] HPG: It creates absense of that chemical
[12:22:09 AM] HPG: ANYWAY, emotions are just chemicals in your brain.
Emotion ceases when those chemicals cease.
[12:22:12 AM] HPG: So when alive
[12:22:15 AM] HPG: Those chemicals are present
[12:22:20 AM] HPG: And if those chemicals are present
[12:22:22 AM] HPG: You feel
[12:22:27 AM] HPG: If you are alive, you feel
[12:22:52 AM] Darkaniken2: But what if a natural defect takes those away in a way that allows you to live without them.
[12:23:07 AM] HPG: Show me one that lived
[12:23:08 AM] Darkaniken2: Or just alters them so they fail to serve their intended purpose, but keep you alive anyway.
[12:23:25 AM] Darkaniken2: We come across new birth defects every day.
[12:23:32 AM] HPG: And yet
[12:23:35 AM] HPG: Out of millions of them..
[12:23:42 AM] HPG: This one seems to not be able to happen...
[12:23:55 AM] Darkaniken2: Do we know what chemical causes emotions?
[12:24:02 AM] HPG: Chemicals
[12:24:06 AM] HPG: There are thousands in the brain
[12:24:13 AM] Darkaniken2: Ok then, which cause emotion?
[12:24:18 AM] Darkaniken2: And what mix of them?
[12:24:21 AM] HPG: A shit load of them
[12:24:22 AM] Darkaniken2: Whats the right blend?
[12:24:27 AM] HPG: Haha
[12:24:31 AM] HPG: There is no right blend
[12:24:39 AM] HPG: Why do you think some people have anger issues?
[12:24:43 AM] HPG: Some people get over emotional?
[12:24:53 AM] Darkaniken2: Without knowing the exact combination of them to create emotions, we can't say that it's never happened.
[12:24:55 AM] HPG: Every person has a different blend..
[12:25:10 AM] HPG: Show me any person on earth that does not have them
[12:25:23 AM] Darkaniken2: I repeat
[12:25:24 AM] HPG: You can't, because it can't exist
[12:25:32 AM] HPG: Every chemical in the brain is vital
[12:25:33 AM] Darkaniken2: Do we know which cause emotion
[12:25:37 AM] Darkaniken2: Really.
[12:25:42 AM] HPG: Yes
[12:25:48 AM] Darkaniken2: So if we take one away, the brain dies?
[12:25:53 AM] HPG: Fully away
[12:25:53 AM] HPG: Yes
[12:26:05 AM] HPG: Destroy one chemical completely, and you will die
[12:26:17 AM | Edited 12:26:19 AM] HPG: Almost everyone has low and high amounts
[12:26:26 AM] HPG: But there is no absense..
[12:26:47 AM | Edited 12:27:00 AM] HPG: Because, all the chemicals pretty much... Need every other chemical to work...
[12:27:06 AM] HPG: To some extent
[12:27:41 AM | Edited 12:27:48 AM] HPG: Take away one completely.. And it makes everything the brain does, that keeps you alive... Not happening...
[12:28:00 AM] Darkaniken2: What if you just reduce it? Or reduce several?
[12:28:07 AM] Darkaniken2: Does it limit what the brain can do
[12:28:07 AM] HPG: Eventually you die
[12:28:10 AM] HPG: Yea
[12:28:15 AM] Darkaniken2: Or does it just kill you outright?
[12:28:15 AM] HPG: Birth defects
[12:28:46 AM] Darkaniken2: People with autism have chemical defects, but they can live standard lifetimes.
[12:28:54 AM] HPG: Defects
[12:28:56 AM] HPG: Not absense
[12:29:18 AM] Darkaniken2: Yes, but if a brain is limited to a point, what if it's able to function to survive, but nothing else?
[12:29:25 AM] HPG: It just means some levels might be to high or too low.. Outside of the 'normal' amount
[12:29:42 AM] Darkaniken2: It has only the capacity to ensure it does not die, and no room for anything else.
[12:30:55 AM] Darkaniken2: I'm not saying it's ever happened. I'm just saying it is possible, and given time, it probably will happen, just like every other defect we've ever encountered.
[12:31:15 AM] HPG: So breathing has to happen right
[12:31:23 AM] Darkaniken2: Yes.
[12:31:28 AM] HPG: Because your brain tells you to breath
[12:31:33 AM] HPG: Because you need to breath
[12:32:09 AM] Darkaniken2: The brain does what is needed to stay alive, but does not have the capacity to feel why, nor to feel anything else. It just does it because it's all it can do.
[12:32:26 AM] HPG: Because instinct that a person is born with
[12:32:37 AM] HPG: Tells them they need to do this to keep going
[12:32:40 AM] HPG: To NOT die
[12:32:41 AM] HPG: But
[12:32:48 AM] HPG: Why does the brain not want to die
[12:32:52 AM] HPG: Why does a person not want to die
[12:32:57 AM] Darkaniken2: It doesn't know.
[12:32:57 AM] HPG: What does the brain not want the person to die
[12:33:05 AM] HPG: Then why does it
[12:33:16 AM] Darkaniken2: The person doesn't really exist, because a person is the personality the brain develops.
[12:33:25 AM] HPG: So then it's not a person
[12:33:33 AM] Darkaniken2: But it is human.
[12:33:36 AM] Darkaniken2: It has human DNA
[12:33:44 AM] HPG: Let's see where this all started
[12:33:46 AM] Darkaniken2: It has a human body.
[12:34:07 AM] Darkaniken2: What were we talking about again?
[12:34:40 AM] Darkaniken2: Found it
[12:34:46 AM] Darkaniken2: I missed the 'land' chart
[12:34:51 AM] HPG: Not that
[12:34:56 AM] Darkaniken2: You said I should commit suicide.
[12:35:00 AM] HPG: This arguement
[12:35:16 AM] HPG: Is someone without a personality a person?
[12:35:23 AM] Darkaniken2: Thats where we started the string of arguements anyway.
[12:35:41 AM] Darkaniken2: No, but does it have to be a person to be human?
[12:35:44 AM] Darkaniken2: What is human?
[12:35:57 AM] HPG: When did I ever say show me a human without feelings
[12:36:09 AM] HPG: I said show me a person without feelings
[12:36:40 AM] HPG: That a person can not not feel emotion
[12:37:34 AM] HPG: I can't prove there are people like that
but you can't prove that there aren't.
[12:37:49 AM] HPG: Are people people without personality
[12:38:03 AM] Darkaniken2: Define people.
[12:38:19 AM] Darkaniken2: Are your people the same as my people? Are my people the same as my dads people?
[12:38:40 AM] Darkaniken2: Do braindead humans count as people?
[12:39:03 AM] Darkaniken2: Different thing, but same concept.
[12:39:12 AM] Darkaniken2: It's all a matter of perspective.
[12:39:25 AM] HPG: People=more than one person right?
[12:39:47 AM] Darkaniken2: Anyway, we've discussed suicide, perfection, and emotions tonight. Let's shoot for ambition tomorrow, shall we?
[12:39:52 AM] Darkaniken2: I dunno.
[12:40:05 AM] HPG: 5. the persons of any particular group, company, or number (sometimes used in combination)
[12:40:06 AM] HPG: That is people
[12:40:09 AM] Darkaniken2: Some people say peoples, so does that make people singular?
[12:40:11 AM] HPG: So just more than one person
[12:40:35 AM] HPG: 3. an individual human being, esp. with reference to his or her social relationships and behavioral patterns as conditioned by the culture.
[12:40:37 AM] HPG: And that is person
[12:40:44 AM] Darkaniken2: So just change people in all mah sentences to person
[12:40:56 AM] Darkaniken2: Is a braindead person a person?
[12:41:02 AM] HPG: with reference to his or her social relationships and behavioral patterns as conditioned by the culture.
[12:41:23 AM] HPG: Do braindead persons have social relationships and behavioral patterns
[12:41:32 AM] Darkaniken2: Who knows? They be braindead.
[12:41:38 AM] HPG: Well
[12:41:39 AM] Darkaniken2: Maybe they talk to other braindead people?
[12:41:41 AM] HPG: They can't talk
[12:41:47 AM] HPG: And can't have a behavior....
[12:41:48 AM] Darkaniken2: In the land of... braindead?
[12:41:51 AM] HPG: Don't be retarded XD
[12:41:58 AM] Darkaniken2: I'm tired.
[12:42:07 AM] Darkaniken2: This stuff makes me thing
[12:42:08 AM] HPG: Then I guess I win
[12:42:12 AM] Darkaniken2: And it's too late for me to think
[12:42:20 AM] Darkaniken2: Or too early, however you want to put it
[12:43:07 AM] Darkaniken2: So yes HPG, you win this round. I win the suicide arguement, you win the emotion argument, and I don't think we ever finished the prefection one because we agreed it was pointless.
[12:43:46 AM] HPG: Did we even really finish the suicide one.. I don't remember... >.>
[12:43:49 AM] Darkaniken2: Eh
[12:43:52 AM] Darkaniken2: I win by default
[12:43:57 AM] Darkaniken2: Because you've got no experiance
[8/7/2009 10:59:20 PM] HPG: Good, you should >.>
[8/7/2009 10:59:22 PM] Darkaniken2:
[8/7/2009 10:59:23 PM] HPG: That was major fail..
[8/7/2009 10:59:28 PM] HPG: Like.. Huge...
[8/7/2009 10:59:32 PM] Darkaniken2: stfu
[8/7/2009 10:59:35 PM] HPG:
[8/7/2009 10:59:44 PM] HPG: You should go commit suicide for that fail...
[8/7/2009 10:59:49 PM] Darkaniken2: Meh
[8/7/2009 10:59:57 PM] Darkaniken2: Then'd I'd have to go to more counciling.
[8/7/2009 11:00:01 PM] Darkaniken2: So, no thanks.
[8/7/2009 11:00:02 PM] HPG: Not try
[8/7/2009 11:00:05 PM] HPG: Actually do
[8/7/2009 11:00:13 PM] Darkaniken2: It's harder than you'd think.
[8/7/2009 11:00:15 PM | Edited 11:00:22 PM] HPG: God you idiot, get it right this time... Shesh...
[8/7/2009 11:00:26 PM] HPG: Hint: USE BIGGER PILLOW
[8/7/2009 11:00:31 PM] Darkaniken2: You go kill yourself and see how easy it is.
[8/7/2009 11:00:39 PM] HPG: It is pretty easy...
[8/7/2009 11:00:43 PM] Darkaniken2: No.
[8/7/2009 11:00:46 PM] Darkaniken2: It's not.
[8/7/2009 11:00:47 PM] HPG: Steal car...
[8/7/2009 11:00:50 PM] HPG: Drive in lake
[8/7/2009 11:00:55 PM] HPG: Sink to bottom
[8/7/2009 11:00:57 PM] Darkaniken2: Again, it's not.
[8/7/2009 11:00:57 PM] HPG: Kick out window
[8/7/2009 11:01:05 PM] Darkaniken2: Because no matter what you do
[8/7/2009 11:01:15 PM] Darkaniken2: You'll always think about exactly what you are doing right before you do it.
[8/7/2009 11:01:29 PM] Darkaniken2: Which makes it 10x harder than it should be.
[8/7/2009 11:01:40 PM] Darkaniken2: Ceasing to exist is a big bridge to cross.
[8/7/2009 11:01:42 PM] HPG: Not if you DO it.. Not TRY to do it >.>
[8/7/2009 11:01:50 PM] HPG: If you DO it it's easy
[8/7/2009 11:01:53 PM] Darkaniken2: HPG, you have to TRY before you can DO
[8/7/2009 11:01:53 PM] HPG: If you TRY to do it.. It's hard
[8/7/2009 11:01:56 PM] HPG: Nah
[8/7/2009 11:02:00 PM] HPG: You don't have to try...
[8/7/2009 11:02:04 PM] HPG: Trying means there is room for failure..
[8/7/2009 11:02:07 PM] HPG: Doing means there isn't
[8/7/2009 11:02:08 PM] Darkaniken2: Has you ever tried?
[8/7/2009 11:02:13 PM] HPG: Of course not
[8/7/2009 11:02:19 PM] HPG: My life is near perfect
[8/7/2009 11:02:30 PM] HPG: Always has been
[8/7/2009 11:02:44 PM] HPG: I've never had any type of problem that I haven't been able to cope with
[8/7/2009 11:03:02 PM] HPG: And I most likely never will...
[8/7/2009 11:03:24 PM] Darkaniken2: :|
[8/7/2009 11:03:31 PM] HPG: It's actually rather strange...
[8/7/2009 11:03:44 PM] Darkaniken2: The only method of suicide I can think of that would be easy is to take a gun and point it at a cop.
[8/7/2009 11:03:56 PM] HPG: Isn't suicide then
[8/7/2009 11:04:07 PM] Darkaniken2: Suicide by cop is what it's offically labeled as.
[8/7/2009 11:04:10 PM | Edited 11:04:17 PM] HPG: Suicide by definition is taking one's own life..
[8/7/2009 11:04:15 PM] Darkaniken2: Well, when the gun is empty anyway.
[8/7/2009 11:04:24 PM] HPG: Not throwing it away
[8/7/2009 11:04:34 PM] Darkaniken2: That's the argument that makes it easy
[8/7/2009 11:04:49 PM] Darkaniken2: You're not really killing yourself, you're being murdered.
[8/7/2009 11:04:51 PM] HPG: You put your death in someone elses hands
[8/7/2009 11:05:02 PM] HPG: Hence it can't be suicide lol
[8/7/2009 11:05:03 PM] Darkaniken2: But in the end, you've got no one but yourself to blame
[8/7/2009 11:05:23 PM] Darkaniken2: And if you hadn't put forth the chain of events you did, you wouldn't be dead.
[8/7/2009 11:05:40 PM] HPG: Did you pull the trigger to the exact bullet that ended your life?
[8/7/2009 11:05:50 PM] Darkaniken2: Like I said
[8/7/2009 11:05:56 PM] Darkaniken2: You're argument is what makes it easy.
[8/7/2009 11:06:10 PM] HPG: Creating a chain of events isn't suicide.. lol...
[8/7/2009 11:06:13 PM] Darkaniken2: By definintion, it's not suicide
[8/7/2009 11:06:18 PM] HPG: Creating a chain and hanging yourself with it is
[8/7/2009 11:06:26 PM] Darkaniken2: But by public and professional opinion, it is.
[8/7/2009 11:06:33 PM] Darkaniken2:
[8/7/2009 11:06:59 PM] HPG: Public and professional opinion says I shouldn't be allowed to decide what to do on my own until I'm 21
[8/7/2009 11:07:15 PM] HPG: Not 18... That is the 'legal' age limit when you 'become a adult'
[8/7/2009 11:07:28 PM] Darkaniken2: And in the eyes of the law, that's fact.
[8/7/2009 11:07:29 PM] HPG: But professional opinion, and public, says you aren't a adult until you hold a job, and live in your own...
[8/7/2009 11:07:45 PM] Darkaniken2: Same with suicide by cop. If charges are pressed, the law will back the cop.
[8/7/2009 11:07:46 PM] HPG: And that isn't considered really 'doable' until you are 21 or older
[8/7/2009 11:08:04 PM] HPG: The public says nudity is wrong
[8/7/2009 11:08:20 PM] Darkaniken2: It is when naked people run through the streets.
[8/7/2009 11:08:23 PM] Darkaniken2: *shudder*
[8/7/2009 11:08:25 PM | Edited 11:08:44 PM] HPG: We are born nude... We bathe nude... We reproduce nude.. (Most of the time >.>)
[8/7/2009 11:08:42 PM] Darkaniken2: Ever seen a bald fat guy run through the streets nude?
[8/7/2009 11:08:48 PM] HPG: Doesn't matter
[8/7/2009 11:08:52 PM] HPG: I don't view nudity as wrong
[8/7/2009 11:08:53 PM] HPG: OR disgusting
[8/7/2009 11:08:55 PM] HPG: No matter who it is
[8/7/2009 11:08:56 PM] Darkaniken2: Well, I haven't, and I don't want to.
[8/7/2009 11:09:13 PM] Darkaniken2: Clothes were invented for a reason.
[8/7/2009 11:09:20 PM] HPG: Yes, they were
[8/7/2009 11:09:25 PM] HPG: For warmth
[8/7/2009 11:09:35 PM] HPG: NOT to cover are gentalia
[8/7/2009 11:09:48 PM] HPG: Survival insticts produced the first clothing
[8/7/2009 11:09:57 PM | Edited 11:10:06 PM] HPG: NOT social ambuigity
[8/7/2009 11:10:18 PM] Darkaniken2: Either way, it's something so integrated into our society, it will never change.
[8/7/2009 11:10:28 PM] HPG: So you say, and yet, one day, it could.
[8/7/2009 11:10:36 PM] Darkaniken2: I very much doupt that.
[8/7/2009 11:10:40 PM] HPG: All it takes is the right people doing it, and everyone else will follow.
[8/7/2009 11:10:42 PM] Darkaniken2: For two reasons.
[8/7/2009 11:10:43 PM] HPG: Those that don't
[8/7/2009 11:10:45 PM] HPG: Will eventually die
[8/7/2009 11:11:20 PM] Darkaniken2: The first is that humans have used clothes for social reasons for thousands of years now.
[8/7/2009 11:11:24 PM] HPG: That is true
[8/7/2009 11:11:39 PM | Edited 11:11:59 PM] HPG: And yet, find a graph on the % of nude colonies (In relevance to like, all the cities in the world) in the past 100 years..
[8/7/2009 11:12:37 PM] HPG: Over 4% of the world now views nudity as perfectly right, and that clothing should be optional.
[8/7/2009 11:12:42 PM] Darkaniken2: The second is that humans are a natrually destructive race. We kill each other in order to progress, which is in itself a backwards way to go about things. Humans gain more and more powerful ways to kill each other, and as such, we can kill more people with a single strike from a single weapon.
[8/7/2009 11:12:45 PM] HPG: 50 years ago, it was less than 1%
[8/7/2009 11:13:10 PM] Darkaniken2: The point of that paragraph is that humans will kill themselves before any significant social change such as this can occur.
[8/7/2009 11:13:20 PM] HPG: Oh really?
[8/7/2009 11:13:25 PM] Darkaniken2: Yea really.
[8/7/2009 11:13:30 PM] HPG: I can see half the world accepting nudity within the next century
[8/7/2009 11:13:43 PM] Darkaniken2: I can see half the world being radioactive in the same timeframe.
[8/7/2009 11:13:51 PM] HPG: And yet, mine is more likely
[8/7/2009 11:14:02 PM] HPG: Anyone with the balls to make the world doomed, isn't anywhere near the right buttons
[8/7/2009 11:14:14 PM] HPG: However...
[8/7/2009 11:14:22 PM] HPG: How many pervs are there in the world
[8/7/2009 11:14:27 PM] Darkaniken2: It just takes one
[8/7/2009 11:14:33 PM] Darkaniken2: One guy to fire one missle
[8/7/2009 11:14:38 PM] Darkaniken2: Will destroy the world.
[8/7/2009 11:14:41 PM] HPG: Nope
[8/7/2009 11:14:43 PM] Darkaniken2: Yes.
[8/7/2009 11:14:44 PM] HPG: Will be shot down lol
[8/7/2009 11:14:49 PM] Darkaniken2: It doesn't matter.
[8/7/2009 11:15:04 PM] Darkaniken2: The public and military would cry out for retaliation of the same kind.
[8/7/2009 11:15:13 PM] HPG: No they wouldn't...
[8/7/2009 11:15:15 PM] HPG: Not enough of them...
[8/7/2009 11:15:31 PM] Darkaniken2: Enough for the people in power to see a way to gain more power.
[8/7/2009 11:15:41 PM] HPG: Do you really think the people of the world want to see nuclear strikes across the globe?
[8/7/2009 11:15:52 PM] Darkaniken2: It doesn't have to be globally.
[8/7/2009 11:16:10 PM] HPG: Not a single country on EARTH has a tipped favor in that.
[8/7/2009 11:16:13 PM] Darkaniken2: Even a few isolated strikes would set humanity down a much, much different path than we are on.
[8/7/2009 11:16:15 PM] HPG: Anywhere
[8/7/2009 11:16:52 PM] Darkaniken2: Say North Korea uses a nuke they get from Iran. Which is possible, but not likely.
[8/7/2009 11:16:58 PM] Darkaniken2: We'd fire one right back.
[8/7/2009 11:17:02 PM] HPG: Nope
[8/7/2009 11:17:29 PM] Darkaniken2: So this is what you are saying.
[8/7/2009 11:17:34 PM] HPG: You would have to light up the entire US with nukes before our goverment launched a single one
[8/7/2009 11:17:53 PM] Darkaniken2: Someone fires a missle that could destroy a major city and kill millions upon millions of people
[8/7/2009 11:18:05 PM] HPG: And we would do everything within our power to shoot it down
[8/7/2009 11:18:12 PM] HPG: But we would not launch at them.. Not now...
[8/7/2009 11:18:12 PM] Darkaniken2: And if/when we fail to do that?
[8/7/2009 11:18:17 PM] HPG: Even if we fail..
[8/7/2009 11:18:23 PM] HPG: I never see the US ever launching a nuke
[8/7/2009 11:18:30 PM] Darkaniken2: Then the US government would collapse from the riots.
[8/7/2009 11:18:37 PM] Darkaniken2: I don't care what people say these days
[8/7/2009 11:18:40 PM] Darkaniken2: When 9/11 happened
[8/7/2009 11:18:47 PM] Darkaniken2: I don't know a damned person that wasn't for the war.
[8/7/2009 11:19:02 PM] HPG: People that don't believe in war >.>
[8/7/2009 11:19:11 PM] Darkaniken2: Now multiply that a thousand fold
[8/7/2009 11:19:20 PM] Darkaniken2: I don't know any that against war then.
[8/7/2009 11:19:31 PM] HPG: I know plenty of people that are against war..
[8/7/2009 11:19:39 PM] HPG: And I mean.. Against against
[8/7/2009 11:19:43 PM] HPG: Their are religions against war
[8/7/2009 11:19:58 PM] HPG: Any type of violence what so ever
[8/7/2009 11:20:03 PM] Darkaniken2: Because when someone kills that many innocent people, friends, family, coworkers, everyone who knew them wants blood.
[8/7/2009 11:20:14 PM] HPG: Incorrect
[8/7/2009 11:20:47 PM] HPG: There are people, that no matter what, will not ever show any type of revenge wants, or anything that would cause another human being harm
[8/7/2009 11:21:05 PM] HPG: Even if their children were killed in front of them
[8/7/2009 11:21:07 PM] HPG: They will mourn
[8/7/2009 11:21:17 PM] HPG: But they will do nothing to exact any type of revenge
[8/7/2009 11:21:36 PM] Darkaniken2: Then I envy those people.
[8/7/2009 11:21:47 PM] Darkaniken2: Because they must have a better mindset than the rest of humanity.
[8/7/2009 11:21:49 PM] HPG: They are very few and far inbetween
[8/7/2009 11:21:51 PM] HPG: And they do
[8/7/2009 11:21:58 PM] HPG: They are the people, that if they controlled the world...
[8/7/2009 11:22:02 PM] Darkaniken2: But I know that every person I know will fight back.
[8/7/2009 11:22:10 PM] HPG: The world really would be perfect if everything that they said, was done.
[8/7/2009 11:22:19 PM] Darkaniken2: If they controlled the world, honestly nothing would get done.
[8/7/2009 11:22:34 PM] Darkaniken2: Because sometimes, someone has to get hurt in order for us to progress.
[8/7/2009 11:22:41 PM] HPG: Nope
[8/7/2009 11:22:45 PM] Darkaniken2: Yes.
[8/7/2009 11:22:51 PM] HPG: Progress can always be made
[8/7/2009 11:23:01 PM] HPG: Without the oposite of progress being made
[8/7/2009 11:23:07 PM] Darkaniken2: In order for anyone to move forward in the world, someone else must get left behind.
[8/7/2009 11:23:20 PM] HPG: Not if everyone moves forward
[8/7/2009 11:23:38 PM] HPG: Why must someone suffer for someone else to be sucessful?
[8/7/2009 11:23:40 PM] Darkaniken2: If everyone is on the same level, then there is no compitition.
[8/7/2009 11:23:46 PM] HPG: Exactly
[8/7/2009 11:23:50 PM] Darkaniken2: And I spelled that wrong
[8/7/2009 11:23:51 PM] Darkaniken2: Badly
[8/7/2009 11:23:55 PM] Darkaniken2: Back to my point.
[8/7/2009 11:24:01 PM] HPG: With no competition, there would be no conflict
[8/7/2009 11:24:11 PM] HPG: With no conflict, there is no killing
[8/7/2009 11:24:22 PM] Darkaniken2: Without compitition, little to no progress is made.
[8/7/2009 11:24:29 PM] HPG: Again, wrong
[8/7/2009 11:24:36 PM] Darkaniken2: Corperations compete to make bigger and better cars, phones, computers.
[8/7/2009 11:24:36 PM] HPG: You are being too narrow minded
[8/7/2009 11:24:41 PM] Darkaniken2: Without that, there is no drive.
[8/7/2009 11:24:52 PM] HPG: There doesn't NEED to be a drive to make progress
[8/7/2009 11:24:54 PM] Darkaniken2: There is no reason behind moving forward.
[8/7/2009 11:25:01 PM] HPG: Progress would be made in the SAKE of progress being made
[8/7/2009 11:25:02 PM] Darkaniken2: Wrong.
[8/7/2009 11:25:03 PM] HPG: Not to be better
[8/7/2009 11:25:10 PM] HPG: Just to better the world
[8/7/2009 11:25:18 PM] Darkaniken2: Because there will never be enough people willing to sacrifice their own personal gain to help others.
[8/7/2009 11:25:28 PM] HPG: I will say it yet again
[8/7/2009 11:25:36 PM] HPG: The world really would be perfect if everything that they said, was done.
[8/7/2009 11:25:43 PM] HPG: if everything that they said, was done.
[8/7/2009 11:25:47 PM] HPG: If that were true
[8/7/2009 11:25:50 PM] HPG: The world would be perfect
[8/7/2009 11:25:57 PM] HPG: That is what I am bassing this all on
[8/7/2009 11:26:00 PM] HPG: The fact it could never happen
[8/7/2009 11:26:04 PM] HPG: Is irelevant
[8/7/2009 11:26:13 PM] Darkaniken2: I was basing it on the first assumption they ruled the world.
[8/7/2009 11:26:50 PM] HPG: If they ruled the world, and there word was law, and every law was followed, life would be perfect.. There would be no conflict, no poverty.. Nothing bad in the world...
[8/7/2009 11:27:01 PM] HPG: It's sad that nothing even close to that could ever become real
[8/7/2009 11:27:46 PM] Darkaniken2: The only flaw I see in that is that by making their word law you limit freedom.
[8/7/2009 11:28:03 PM] HPG: In a perfect world, there is no freedom
[8/7/2009 11:28:11 PM] HPG: There is no need for freedom
[8/7/2009 11:28:14 PM] Darkaniken2: Which makes it imperfect.
[8/7/2009 11:28:19 PM] Darkaniken2: Freedom is what defines us.
[8/7/2009 11:28:22 PM] HPG: Freedom is there because the world is imperfect
[8/7/2009 11:28:34 PM] HPG: Freedom is there, because we have to have it there..
[8/7/2009 11:28:38 PM | Edited 11:28:42 PM] Darkaniken2: Freedom makes us intelligent
[8/7/2009 11:28:42 PM] HPG: to justify the things we do, in the name of freedom
[8/7/2009 11:28:57 PM] HPG: Why does freedom make us intelligent
[8/7/2009 11:29:00 PM] Darkaniken2: Without freedom, we are mindless drones following a system laid before us.
[8/7/2009 11:29:10 PM] HPG: Freedom has killed so many millions of people
[8/7/2009 11:29:19 PM] HPG: The need for freedom
[8/7/2009 11:29:20 PM] Darkaniken2: And it has saved so many millions of others.
[8/7/2009 11:29:22 PM] HPG: Has killed so many more million
[8/7/2009 11:29:29 PM] HPG: If there were no need for freedom
[8/7/2009 11:29:39 PM] HPG: There would be no need to save those people
[8/7/2009 11:29:43 PM] HPG: They would not need to be saved
[8/7/2009 11:29:53 PM] HPG: It's a... Unending cycle..
[8/7/2009 11:30:25 PM] Darkaniken2: Yes, but if we follow the path laid before us, are we really alive?
[8/7/2009 11:30:29 PM] HPG: Everything that defines us as people, that gives us joy, that makes us happy, can all end up destoying us, killing us.
[8/7/2009 11:30:43 PM] Darkaniken2: Because we go through life without ever making a single choice.
[8/7/2009 11:30:58 PM] Darkaniken2: Which can hardly be called life at all.
[8/7/2009 11:30:59 PM] HPG: And without choice, fault cannot be made.
[8/7/2009 11:31:13 PM] Darkaniken2: Without fault, we can't better ourselves.
[8/7/2009 11:31:18 PM] Darkaniken2: It takes a mistake to see the correct path.
[8/7/2009 11:31:20 PM] HPG: In a perfect world
[8/7/2009 11:31:26 PM] HPG: there is no need to better ourself
[8/7/2009 11:31:31 PM] HPG: We are already perfect
[8/7/2009 11:31:36 PM] HPG: There is nothing that could be better
[8/7/2009 11:31:53 PM] HPG: Perfection, in itself, is the farthest thing from what makes us as human beings happy.
[8/7/2009 11:32:01 PM] Darkaniken2: Then there would be no meaning in time, no meaning in life, no meaning in anything.
[8/7/2009 11:32:11 PM] Darkaniken2: A world that you'd consider perfect I'd consider hell.
[8/7/2009 11:32:21 PM] HPG: Who says I consider it perfect?
[8/7/2009 11:32:30 PM] HPG: There is no such thing as a perfect world
[8/7/2009 11:32:33 PM] HPG: Because a
[8/7/2009 11:32:38 PM] HPG: World without calamity
[8/7/2009 11:32:41 PM] HPG: A world without hurt
[8/7/2009 11:32:44 PM] HPG: A world without pain
[8/7/2009 11:32:47 PM] HPG: A 'perfect world'
[8/7/2009 11:32:52 PM] HPG: Will always be without any feeling
[8/7/2009 11:33:03 PM] HPG: Perfection is not good or bad
[8/7/2009 11:33:09 PM] HPG: Being perfect
[8/7/2009 11:33:11 PM] HPG: Is to say..
[8/7/2009 11:33:17 PM] HPG: Being without confliction
[8/7/2009 11:33:20 PM] HPG: And as humans
[8/7/2009 11:33:29 PM] HPG: Confliction, may hurt us
[8/7/2009 11:33:34 PM] HPG: But, it makes us better
[8/7/2009 11:33:39 PM] HPG: It makes us think
[8/7/2009 11:33:42 PM] HPG: Things are good
[8/7/2009 11:33:53 PM] Darkaniken2: True.
[8/7/2009 11:33:55 PM] HPG: It all comes down to..
[8/7/2009 11:33:57 PM] HPG: Without bad..
[8/7/2009 11:33:59 PM] HPG: There is no good
[8/7/2009 11:34:06 PM] HPG: Without a low, there is no high
[8/7/2009 11:34:29 PM] HPG: If you went your whole life without being hurt...
[8/7/2009 11:34:40 PM] HPG: How would you know what, not being hurt is?
[8/7/2009 11:35:03 PM] HPG: If you didn't have a bad day ever...
[8/7/2009 11:35:08 PM] HPG: How can you know what a good day is?
[8/7/2009 11:35:50 PM] Darkaniken2: You can't.
[8/7/2009 11:36:01 PM] HPG: Perfection, is just something that ...
[8/7/2009 11:36:07 PM] HPG: Can't exist
[8/7/2009 11:36:22 PM] HPG: There is no real opposite to perfection
[8/7/2009 11:36:24 PM] Darkaniken2: Perfection is a dream that everyone strives for but no one really wants.
[8/7/2009 11:36:57 PM] Darkaniken2: Atleast, thats how I think of it.
[8/7/2009 11:37:14 PM] HPG: I mean.. How could you know what perfection.... Really is?
[8/7/2009 11:37:29 PM] HPG: You can't be perfect
[8/7/2009 11:37:31 PM] HPG: And have a flaw
[8/7/2009 11:37:33 PM] HPG: Without a flaw
[8/7/2009 11:37:37 PM] HPG: You can't know what perfect is
[8/7/2009 11:37:54 PM] Darkaniken2: It's a paradox and a contridiction.
[8/7/2009 11:38:09 PM] Darkaniken2: Perfect cannot exist because to be perfect you must be imperfect.
[8/7/2009 11:38:13 PM] HPG: And it's also one hell of a fucking topic to talk about for hours on end with absolutly anyone of any intelect level
[8/7/2009 11:38:24 PM] Darkaniken2:
[8/7/2009 11:38:31 PM] HPG: Because, no matter how much you can talk about perfection...
[8/7/2009 11:38:37 PM | Edited 11:38:41 PM] HPG: You can't ever come to a real conclusion
[8/7/2009 11:38:44 PM] Darkaniken2: Sure you can.
[8/7/2009 11:38:49 PM] HPG: What is perfect
[8/7/2009 11:38:53 PM] Darkaniken2: No.
[8/7/2009 11:39:02 PM] HPG: How do you define perfection
[8/7/2009 11:39:04 PM] Darkaniken2: You said that you cannot come to any conclusion about perfection.
[8/7/2009 11:39:11 PM] Darkaniken2: There is one you can.
[8/7/2009 11:39:13 PM] HPG: Can you ever really say it isn't possible?
[8/7/2009 11:39:17 PM] HPG: When...
[8/7/2009 11:39:20 PM] HPG: Sure
[8/7/2009 11:39:25 PM] HPG: We have tried our entire lives
[8/7/2009 11:39:28 PM] HPG: And no one has ever made it
[8/7/2009 11:39:33 PM] HPG: But..
[8/7/2009 11:39:42 PM] Darkaniken2: It's that it will never happen, because our imperfections are the only thing that make us closer to being perfect
[8/7/2009 11:39:43 PM] HPG: You can't say there is something that.. Is the opposite of perfection..
[8/7/2009 11:40:05 PM] Darkaniken2: To be right, there must be wrong, which destroys the concept of perfect.
[8/7/2009 11:40:07 PM] HPG: Perfection.. Is what we think of it...
[8/7/2009 11:40:16 PM] HPG: A person can think..
[8/7/2009 11:40:23 PM] HPG: A burger from mcdonalds is perfect
[8/7/2009 11:40:32 PM] HPG: That is has no flaw
[8/7/2009 11:40:37 PM] Darkaniken2: That person would be an idiot.
[8/7/2009 11:40:42 PM] HPG: It's a example
[8/7/2009 11:40:49 PM] Darkaniken2: Everyone knows sonic is way better.
[8/7/2009 11:40:58 PM] HPG: I thought my first time with my gf, was perfect
[8/7/2009 11:41:04 PM] HPG: I still think it too
[8/7/2009 11:41:08 PM | Edited 11:41:11 PM] HPG: Nothing went wrong
[8/7/2009 11:41:16 PM] HPG: It was everything I wanted it to be
[8/7/2009 11:41:25 PM] HPG: But
[8/7/2009 11:41:29 PM] HPG: It wasn't perfect
[8/7/2009 11:41:31 PM] Darkaniken2: The question is, could it have been more?
[8/7/2009 11:41:34 PM] HPG: My mind just thinks it is
[8/7/2009 11:41:56 PM] Darkaniken2: If it can be more than it is, then it's not yet perfect.
[8/7/2009 11:42:04 PM] HPG: Nothing in life is perfect, but you can think it is, and that burger just tastes better when you really convince yourself
[8/7/2009 11:42:24 PM] HPG: Any person can think any thing is perfect..
[8/7/2009 11:42:35 PM] HPG: It's not
[8/7/2009 11:42:37 PM] HPG: Never was
[8/7/2009 11:42:39 PM] HPG: Never could be
[8/7/2009 11:42:47 PM] HPG: But
[8/7/2009 11:42:55 PM] HPG: You are the one that decides if it was
[8/7/2009 11:43:03 PM] HPG: Not reality
[8/7/2009 11:43:10 PM] HPG: Perfection is a fantasy
[8/7/2009 11:43:15 PM] Darkaniken2: Like I said
[8/7/2009 11:43:21 PM] HPG: Fantasies are fufilled every single second of every single day
[8/7/2009 11:43:36 PM] Darkaniken2: Perfection is a dream that everyone strives for but no one really wants.
[8/7/2009 11:43:47 PM] HPG: Of course you want perfection..
[8/7/2009 11:43:51 PM] HPG: But only because you haven't had it
[8/7/2009 11:43:58 PM] Darkaniken2: Do you?
[8/7/2009 11:43:59 PM] HPG: One single second of real perfection on this world
[8/7/2009 11:44:05 PM] Darkaniken2: Do you realy want perfection?
[8/7/2009 11:44:08 PM] HPG: And everyone would kill themself
[8/7/2009 11:44:13 PM] Darkaniken2: If it is perfect, what is left to do?
[8/7/2009 11:44:22 PM] HPG: Even knowing that
[8/7/2009 11:44:24 PM] HPG: You still want it don't you
[8/7/2009 11:44:26 PM] HPG: Just to see
[8/7/2009 11:44:27 PM] HPG: What it is
[8/7/2009 11:44:30 PM] Darkaniken2: So no, no one who stops to think about it really wants it.
[8/7/2009 11:44:38 PM] Darkaniken2: But everyone strives to be perfect.
[8/7/2009 11:44:41 PM] HPG: If you are perfect
[8/7/2009 11:44:50 PM] HPG: Isn't there everything left to do?
[8/7/2009 11:45:06 PM] HPG: If that is what you think perfect is
[8/7/2009 11:45:07 PM] Darkaniken2: No, because if your perfect, you've accomplished everything.
[8/7/2009 11:45:13 PM] HPG: So says who?
[8/7/2009 11:46:07 PM] Darkaniken2: 6. thorough; complete; utter
[8/7/2009 11:46:10 PM] Darkaniken2: So says the dictionary.
[8/7/2009 11:46:25 PM] HPG: Perfection, is something that you want above anything else, no matter what you want, to any degree, fufilling everything you WANT doesn't mean there is nothing to do.. It just means you have done everything that would make you happy in the whole world... And.. Wouldn't that bring you to a state of happiness nothing could ever deminish in any way?
[8/7/2009 11:46:41 PM] HPG: And, if you are happy for ever...
[8/7/2009 11:46:54 PM] HPG: Why wouldn't you want it?
[8/7/2009 11:46:57 PM] HPG: No more pain
[8/7/2009 11:47:02 PM] HPG: No more hurt
[8/7/2009 11:47:19 PM] Darkaniken2: You'd forget what happy is.
[8/7/2009 11:47:46 PM | Edited 11:47:52 PM] HPG: You say all of this, but can you honestly say you don't want to be happy forever?
[8/7/2009 11:47:58 PM] Darkaniken2: 90%, yes.
[8/7/2009 11:48:25 PM] HPG: You want to feel the pain of losing your loved ones
[8/7/2009 11:48:38 PM] HPG: Want to feel the depression of losing people close to you
[8/7/2009 11:48:46 PM] Darkaniken2: As cold as it sounds, I want to experiance everything, atleast once.
[8/7/2009 11:48:53 PM] HPG: You already have
[8/7/2009 11:48:59 PM] HPG: Even if you don't think you have
[8/7/2009 11:49:09 PM] Darkaniken2: I've never lost anyone close to me.
[8/7/2009 11:49:22 PM] HPG: When we are born, everything is within us..
[8/7/2009 11:49:22 PM] Darkaniken2: Never lost someone I'd shed tears for.
[8/7/2009 11:49:25 PM] HPG: Every feeling
[8/7/2009 11:49:30 PM] HPG: Everything...
[8/7/2009 11:49:49 PM] Darkaniken2: To really see how good life is, you must first feel how bad it can be.
[8/7/2009 11:50:03 PM] HPG: And the second you are born, I believe you feel everything..
[8/7/2009 11:50:10 PM] HPG: Every single feeling in the world
[8/7/2009 11:50:11 PM] Darkaniken2: Yes, but does it matter?
[8/7/2009 11:50:15 PM] Darkaniken2: Because you can never remember it.
[8/7/2009 11:50:19 PM] HPG: Of course not
[8/7/2009 11:50:27 PM] HPG: You say you can't remember it..
[8/7/2009 11:50:28 PM] HPG: but..
[8/7/2009 11:50:31 PM] Darkaniken2: It's not physically possible, so it's irrelevent.
[8/7/2009 11:50:34 PM] HPG: How do you place what fear is?
[8/7/2009 11:50:36 PM] HPG: Sadness?
[8/7/2009 11:50:40 PM] HPG: How do you feel it..
[8/7/2009 11:50:44 PM] HPG: Human instinct?
[8/7/2009 11:50:51 PM] Darkaniken2: It's bred into you.
[8/7/2009 11:50:54 PM] HPG: Something inside you tells you to
[8/7/2009 11:50:55 PM] HPG: No
[8/7/2009 11:51:02 PM] HPG: Fear isn't bred into you
[8/7/2009 11:51:06 PM] HPG: Sadness isn't
[8/7/2009 11:51:08 PM] HPG: Things are done
[8/7/2009 11:51:11 PM] HPG: Things are said
[8/7/2009 11:51:20 PM] HPG: But you can't bred a feeling into someone
[8/7/2009 11:51:27 PM] HPG: breed*
[8/7/2009 11:51:39 PM] HPG: People are born with the ability to feel it
[8/7/2009 11:51:39 PM] Darkaniken2: I believe if you are born into a world where there are no emotions shown to you, and you never feel pain, basically living in a ventilated glass box deep underground, you will never feel.
[8/7/2009 11:51:43 PM] Darkaniken2: And fear is an instinct.
[8/7/2009 11:51:49 PM] Darkaniken2: Fear is the need to survive.
[8/7/2009 11:52:00 PM] Darkaniken2: The lesser fears we face are things we are taught to fear.
[8/7/2009 11:52:02 PM] HPG: Which means it's in you when you are born
[8/7/2009 11:52:07 PM] Darkaniken2: I agree.
[8/7/2009 11:52:17 PM] HPG: Just like the ability to feel physical pain is
[8/7/2009 11:52:18 PM] Darkaniken2: Fear is the only emotion you are born with.
[8/7/2009 11:52:20 PM] HPG: Feeling it
[8/7/2009 11:52:23 PM] HPG: And processing it
[8/7/2009 11:52:26 PM] HPG: Two different things
[8/7/2009 11:53:02 PM] HPG: So you are taught to feel sad?
[8/7/2009 11:53:12 PM] Darkaniken2: In my opinion, yes.
[8/7/2009 11:53:18 PM] HPG: You cannot feel sad unless you are taught how to feel sad?
[8/7/2009 11:53:23 PM] Darkaniken2: Or rather
[8/7/2009 11:53:26 PM] Darkaniken2: You adapt to feel sad.
[8/7/2009 11:53:36 PM] Darkaniken2: You see others doing it, and you automaticlly copy it.
[8/7/2009 11:53:44 PM] HPG: Because human instinct says that it's what you need to do
[8/7/2009 11:53:59 PM] Darkaniken2: Because humans do what other humans do.
[8/7/2009 11:54:08 PM] HPG: Then what did the first humans do
[8/7/2009 11:54:10 PM] Darkaniken2: Especially when they are young.
[8/7/2009 11:54:35 PM] Darkaniken2: I have no idea what they did. No one does, and anyone who says otherwise is smoking something.
[8/7/2009 11:54:47 PM] HPG: Who did they copy
[8/7/2009 11:54:50 PM] HPG: Who taught them
[8/7/2009 11:54:52 PM] Darkaniken2: We don't even know how long humans have been around
[8/7/2009 11:54:59 PM] HPG: There has to be a first though
[8/7/2009 11:55:04 PM] HPG: No matter what anyone says
[8/7/2009 11:55:13 PM] Darkaniken2: Yes, but the time period could have effected it.
[8/7/2009 11:55:15 PM] HPG: There is always a beginning
[8/7/2009 11:55:32 PM] Darkaniken2: Who's to say that we are the only species that was every able to thing independently to live on earth.
[8/7/2009 11:55:39 PM] Darkaniken2: Thats mighty arrogant.
[8/7/2009 11:55:45 PM] HPG: So they taught us?
[8/7/2009 11:55:50 PM] HPG: Who taught them
[8/7/2009 11:55:56 PM] HPG: There is always a beginning
[8/7/2009 11:56:14 PM] HPG: They just knew what to do?
[8/7/2009 11:56:30 PM] Darkaniken2: Maybe they were born with the instinct. But I do not feel humans are, because there are a number of humans unable to.
[8/7/2009 11:56:43 PM] HPG: And I quote myself again...
[8/7/2009 11:57:07 PM] HPG: People are born with the ability to feel it
[8/7/2009 11:57:15 PM] HPG: Feeling it
And processing it
Two different things
[8/7/2009 11:57:23 PM] HPG: Just because you don't show emotion
[8/7/2009 11:57:26 PM | Edited 11:57:31 PM] HPG: Doesn't mean you don't feel it
[8/7/2009 11:57:36 PM] HPG: We are not taught to feel it
[8/7/2009 11:57:42 PM] HPG: We are taught to process it
[8/7/2009 11:57:45 PM] HPG: To show it
[8/7/2009 11:58:24 PM] Darkaniken2: Eh.
[8/7/2009 11:58:27 PM] Darkaniken2: I'll say this.
[8/7/2009 11:59:05 PM] Darkaniken2: It's another argument that can never be won by either side because we can't offer any proof that enought people would accept to make it be called fact.
[8/7/2009 11:59:17 PM] HPG: Sure ya can..
[8/7/2009 11:59:26 PM] HPG: Are you saying there are people that cannot feel anything?
[8/7/2009 11:59:32 PM] Darkaniken2: Are you saying there aren't?
[8/7/2009 11:59:41 PM] HPG: Yes
[8/7/2009 11:59:58 PM] HPG: There are people that don't know what emotion is
[12:00:03 AM] Darkaniken2: Now, how do you prove it?
[12:00:05 AM] HPG: That cannot process any type of emotion
[12:00:19 AM] HPG: But they still feel something
[12:00:26 AM] HPG: They just don't know what to do with it
[12:00:29 AM] Darkaniken2: And you can be certain of it?
[12:00:32 AM] HPG: Yes
[12:00:35 AM] Darkaniken2: How?
[12:00:42 AM] Darkaniken2: Because you feel it?
[12:00:52 AM] HPG: Find someone that can't feel it
[12:00:56 AM] HPG: that says
[12:00:59 AM] HPG: nothing
[12:01:03 AM] HPG: that
[12:01:04 AM] HPG: it is nothing
[12:01:08 AM] HPG: that
[12:01:11 AM] HPG: there is nothing
[12:01:13 AM] HPG: that
[12:01:17 AM] HPG: there can be nothing
[12:01:19 AM] HPG: at all
[12:01:21 AM] HPG: with anything
[12:01:21 AM] Darkaniken2: I repeat
[12:01:27 AM] Darkaniken2: I can't prove there are people like that
[12:01:34 AM] Darkaniken2: but you can't prove that there aren't.
[12:01:37 AM | Edited 12:01:40 AM] HPG: Sure I can
[12:01:46 AM] HPG: thousands of years
[12:01:51 AM] HPG: No one has ever found someone like it
[12:02:01 AM] Darkaniken2: So you can prove, without a doupt, that the current 6+billion people all feel?
[12:02:06 AM] HPG: Yup
[12:02:09 AM] HPG: Because if they didn't
[12:02:12 AM] HPG: Everyone would know
[12:02:37 AM] Darkaniken2: If you don't feel, you are in essence blank, correct?
[12:02:40 AM] HPG: Thousands of years, no one has not felt
[12:02:50 AM] HPG: But
[12:02:55 AM] HPG: If you are in essence blank
[12:02:58 AM] HPG: You feel, blank
[12:03:09 AM] Darkaniken2: No, I'm saying how others would percieve you
[12:03:15 AM] Darkaniken2: Not how you percieve youself
[12:03:22 AM] HPG: Sure there are people that 'percieve' people as feeling nothing
[12:03:24 AM] HPG: But
[12:03:28 AM] HPG: When you are feeling nothing.
[12:03:31 AM] HPG: You are still feeling
[12:03:41 AM] HPG: Feeling empty
[12:03:43 AM] HPG: Absense
[12:03:53 AM] HPG: Feeling no emotion
[12:03:58 AM] HPG: Would be feeling a emotion
[12:04:03 AM] Darkaniken2: If you start saying that nothing is something, you change the meaning of the word.
[12:04:15 AM | Edited 12:04:20 AM] HPG: Have you ever felt emotionless?
[12:04:25 AM] HPG: Felt like you feel no emotion
[12:04:35 AM] HPG: No happiness
[12:04:35 AM] Darkaniken2: That I can recall? Not really. Because bored is an emotion.
[12:04:36 AM] HPG: No sadness
[12:04:39 AM] HPG: Nothing in between
[12:04:46 AM] HPG: I have felt no sadness
[12:04:48 AM] HPG: No happiness
[12:04:49 AM] HPG: No boredness
[12:04:51 AM] HPG: No sickness
[12:04:54 AM] HPG: No numbness even
[12:05:05 AM] HPG: But I still felt something...
[12:05:17 AM] HPG: It was..
[12:05:25 AM] HPG: Like I said..
[12:05:31 AM] HPG: Feeling empty
Absense
[12:05:45 AM] Darkaniken2: Being empty and feeling nothing are different.
[12:05:47 AM] HPG: Being devoid of every emotion I have ever known..
[12:05:50 AM] HPG: makes me feel empty
[12:06:07 AM] HPG: You said people are born with the instinct to fear
[12:06:08 AM] Darkaniken2: To feel empty, you have to have felt something else.
[12:06:19 AM] HPG: That means they feel fear
[12:06:28 AM] HPG: And babies do feel fear
[12:06:33 AM] Darkaniken2: What I'm saying is what if there are people born without that instinct.
[12:06:37 AM] HPG: How
[12:06:40 AM] HPG: All babies cry
[12:06:45 AM] HPG: Unless still born
[12:06:46 AM] Darkaniken2: No.
[12:06:49 AM] HPG: Or unable to breath
[12:06:52 AM] Darkaniken2: All babies do not cry.
[12:07:07 AM] HPG: Really, you know of a baby that never let out any whine or whimper of any kind at all
[12:07:16 AM] Darkaniken2: I've only seen one, but it did not cry.
[12:07:29 AM] HPG: How do you know it didn't cry before you saw it? Or after?
[12:07:35 AM] Darkaniken2: Yes, but it lived less than a day.
[12:07:41 AM] Darkaniken2: Because it's entire life was on camera.
[12:07:44 AM] HPG: Which means it felt sickness
[12:07:48 AM] HPG: It felt weak
[12:07:53 AM] HPG: It felt death
[12:07:58 AM] Darkaniken2: The child was born entirely healthy, said the doctors.
[12:08:03 AM] Darkaniken2: It just... died.
[12:08:07 AM] HPG: It felt death
[12:08:15 AM] Darkaniken2: How do you feel death?
[12:08:21 AM] HPG: You are kidding right?
[12:08:25 AM] Darkaniken2: Once your dead, you don't feel...
[12:08:28 AM] HPG: But
[12:08:33 AM] HPG: In that instance you die
[12:08:36 AM] HPG: You feel
[12:08:37 AM] HPG: Because
[12:08:40 AM] HPG: You aren't dead yet
[12:08:46 AM] HPG: You are in the exact instance of dying
[12:08:49 AM] HPG: Therefore you feel death
[12:09:00 AM] HPG: You say that baby was perfectly healthy?
[12:09:08 AM] HPG: All tip top nothin wrong with it?
[12:09:13 AM] Darkaniken2: According the the doctors, yea.
[12:09:17 AM] HPG: Then it felt touch
[12:09:23 AM] HPG: And touch creates feeling
[12:09:33 AM] HPG: Babies associate touch
[12:09:35 AM] HPG: With feeling
[12:09:39 AM] HPG: Soft with content (usually)
[12:09:45 AM] HPG: Rough with disdain.. Thus crying
[12:09:51 AM] HPG: OR something of the like
[12:10:14 AM] Darkaniken2: The way I looked at it at the time was different then what I think now, because I think what I thought then was stupid.
[12:10:17 AM] HPG: Someone that didn't feel.. Wouldn't 'feel' the need to blink right?
[12:10:33 AM] HPG: They would do it on instinct
[12:10:33 AM] Darkaniken2: I looked at it like what if the baby knew it was going to die, and had already accepted that fact
[12:10:56 AM] HPG: You can accept the fact of something without feeling?
[12:11:11 AM] Darkaniken2: But that's illogical. So I changed my view.
[12:11:21 AM] HPG: Someone that didn't feel.. Wouldn't 'feel' the need to blink right?
They would do it on instinct
[12:11:24 AM] HPG: Did the baby blink?
[12:11:38 AM] Darkaniken2: Probably.
[12:11:41 AM] HPG: Instinct tells us we need to blink
[12:11:43 AM] HPG: To breath
[12:11:49 AM] HPG: right?
[12:11:54 AM] Darkaniken2: Correct.
[12:11:59 AM] HPG: Because instinct makes us feel the need to breath
[12:12:00 AM] HPG: And to blink
[12:12:14 AM] HPG: Crack that one
[12:12:35 AM] Darkaniken2: How are instinct and emotion the same thing?
[12:12:36 AM] HPG: Unless you think need isn't a feeling
[12:12:45 AM] HPG: They aren't the same, they are linked
[12:13:12 AM] HPG: To have instinct, is to feel the need to have to do something, because you FEEL that you NEED to do this to live.
[12:14:30 AM] HPG: I don't tell myself to breath.. I just do, because I need it to live.. And to be honest... I kind of feel that living is something I'm supposed to do...
[12:14:34 AM] HPG: So.. I do it
[12:15:10 AM] HPG: Can you say that you need to do something, without feeling the need to do it? If I just stopped breathing, I would feel pain...
[12:15:42 AM] HPG: And.. Babies feel alive don't they?
[12:15:56 AM] Darkaniken2: Maybe. How do we know? Care to ask one?
[12:16:05 AM] HPG: Teh don't have a fking clue as to what it is...
[12:16:14 AM] HPG: But how can you not feel alive, if you are alive?
[12:16:50 AM] HPG: Let's say baby can't feel physical, you don't feel alive really, it's... Nothingness?
[12:16:56 AM] HPG: Right?
[12:17:22 AM] HPG: Instinct tells us we should feel alive... That's why feeling numb/nothingness royally fucks with our head..
[12:17:30 AM] HPG: Cus.. Instinct tells us, that shit ain't right..
[12:17:54 AM] Darkaniken2: Maybe it isn't right, but if something is wrong does that mean it isn't?
[12:18:10 AM] HPG: Well, if you don't feel alive..
[12:18:12 AM] HPG: What do you feel
[12:18:19 AM] Darkaniken2: Exactly.
[12:18:21 AM | Edited 12:18:29 AM] HPG: The opposite of alive..
[12:18:24 AM] HPG: You feel dead
[12:18:30 AM] Darkaniken2: You feel nothing at all.
[12:18:38 AM] Darkaniken2: You just.... are.
[12:18:48 AM] HPG: But it's not possible to get to that point
[12:19:02 AM] HPG: Because..
[12:19:10 AM] HPG: How can you feel nothing... If you haven't felt something
[12:19:26 AM] HPG: Balence of having to feel one thing to feel another isn't it?
[12:19:32 AM] Darkaniken2: It's possible to be nothing without having been something.
[12:19:35 AM] HPG: Feeling nothing, means feeling isn't feeling..
[12:19:38 AM] HPG: Feeling isn't ...
[12:19:40 AM] HPG: Just isn't
[12:19:43 AM] HPG: It's not nothing
[12:19:44 AM] HPG: It's just..
[12:19:46 AM] HPG: Not
[12:19:49 AM] HPG: Feeling is..
[12:19:56 AM] Darkaniken2: BAH
[12:20:03 AM] Darkaniken2: This is giving me a headache
[12:20:12 AM] HPG: It's possible to be nothing without having been something.
[12:20:14 AM] HPG: How
[12:20:23 AM] Darkaniken2: ANYWAY, emotions are just chemicals in your brain.
[12:20:30 AM] Darkaniken2: Emotion ceases when those chemicals cease.
[12:20:37 AM] Darkaniken2: IE, when you die.
[12:20:41 AM] HPG: And it's too bad you can't live without those chemicals huh
[12:20:48 AM] HPG: So..
[12:20:51 AM] HPG: What you are saying is
[12:20:53 AM] Darkaniken2: Can we prove it?
[12:21:00 AM] Darkaniken2: Are we willing to take those chemicals away from someone?
[12:21:01 AM] HPG: Take the chemicals out
[12:21:03 AM] HPG: It kills a person
[12:21:04 AM] Darkaniken2: And see what happens
[12:21:05 AM] HPG: It's been done
[12:21:21 AM] Darkaniken2: Is it even possible?
[12:21:22 AM] HPG: You can't even take away all the chemicals... before someone dies
[12:21:27 AM] HPG: Well
[12:21:29 AM] HPG: Not take away
[12:21:30 AM] HPG: But destroy
[12:21:32 AM | Edited 12:21:41 AM] Darkaniken2: To remove what makes the chemicals without damanging something else
[12:21:34 AM] HPG: Which is the same
[12:21:38 AM] HPG: It creates absense of that chemical
[12:22:09 AM] HPG: ANYWAY, emotions are just chemicals in your brain.
Emotion ceases when those chemicals cease.
[12:22:12 AM] HPG: So when alive
[12:22:15 AM] HPG: Those chemicals are present
[12:22:20 AM] HPG: And if those chemicals are present
[12:22:22 AM] HPG: You feel
[12:22:27 AM] HPG: If you are alive, you feel
[12:22:52 AM] Darkaniken2: But what if a natural defect takes those away in a way that allows you to live without them.
[12:23:07 AM] HPG: Show me one that lived
[12:23:08 AM] Darkaniken2: Or just alters them so they fail to serve their intended purpose, but keep you alive anyway.
[12:23:25 AM] Darkaniken2: We come across new birth defects every day.
[12:23:32 AM] HPG: And yet
[12:23:35 AM] HPG: Out of millions of them..
[12:23:42 AM] HPG: This one seems to not be able to happen...
[12:23:55 AM] Darkaniken2: Do we know what chemical causes emotions?
[12:24:02 AM] HPG: Chemicals
[12:24:06 AM] HPG: There are thousands in the brain
[12:24:13 AM] Darkaniken2: Ok then, which cause emotion?
[12:24:18 AM] Darkaniken2: And what mix of them?
[12:24:21 AM] HPG: A shit load of them
[12:24:22 AM] Darkaniken2: Whats the right blend?
[12:24:27 AM] HPG: Haha
[12:24:31 AM] HPG: There is no right blend
[12:24:39 AM] HPG: Why do you think some people have anger issues?
[12:24:43 AM] HPG: Some people get over emotional?
[12:24:53 AM] Darkaniken2: Without knowing the exact combination of them to create emotions, we can't say that it's never happened.
[12:24:55 AM] HPG: Every person has a different blend..
[12:25:10 AM] HPG: Show me any person on earth that does not have them
[12:25:23 AM] Darkaniken2: I repeat
[12:25:24 AM] HPG: You can't, because it can't exist
[12:25:32 AM] HPG: Every chemical in the brain is vital
[12:25:33 AM] Darkaniken2: Do we know which cause emotion
[12:25:37 AM] Darkaniken2: Really.
[12:25:42 AM] HPG: Yes
[12:25:48 AM] Darkaniken2: So if we take one away, the brain dies?
[12:25:53 AM] HPG: Fully away
[12:25:53 AM] HPG: Yes
[12:26:05 AM] HPG: Destroy one chemical completely, and you will die
[12:26:17 AM | Edited 12:26:19 AM] HPG: Almost everyone has low and high amounts
[12:26:26 AM] HPG: But there is no absense..
[12:26:47 AM | Edited 12:27:00 AM] HPG: Because, all the chemicals pretty much... Need every other chemical to work...
[12:27:06 AM] HPG: To some extent
[12:27:41 AM | Edited 12:27:48 AM] HPG: Take away one completely.. And it makes everything the brain does, that keeps you alive... Not happening...
[12:28:00 AM] Darkaniken2: What if you just reduce it? Or reduce several?
[12:28:07 AM] Darkaniken2: Does it limit what the brain can do
[12:28:07 AM] HPG: Eventually you die
[12:28:10 AM] HPG: Yea
[12:28:15 AM] Darkaniken2: Or does it just kill you outright?
[12:28:15 AM] HPG: Birth defects
[12:28:46 AM] Darkaniken2: People with autism have chemical defects, but they can live standard lifetimes.
[12:28:54 AM] HPG: Defects
[12:28:56 AM] HPG: Not absense
[12:29:18 AM] Darkaniken2: Yes, but if a brain is limited to a point, what if it's able to function to survive, but nothing else?
[12:29:25 AM] HPG: It just means some levels might be to high or too low.. Outside of the 'normal' amount
[12:29:42 AM] Darkaniken2: It has only the capacity to ensure it does not die, and no room for anything else.
[12:30:55 AM] Darkaniken2: I'm not saying it's ever happened. I'm just saying it is possible, and given time, it probably will happen, just like every other defect we've ever encountered.
[12:31:15 AM] HPG: So breathing has to happen right
[12:31:23 AM] Darkaniken2: Yes.
[12:31:28 AM] HPG: Because your brain tells you to breath
[12:31:33 AM] HPG: Because you need to breath
[12:32:09 AM] Darkaniken2: The brain does what is needed to stay alive, but does not have the capacity to feel why, nor to feel anything else. It just does it because it's all it can do.
[12:32:26 AM] HPG: Because instinct that a person is born with
[12:32:37 AM] HPG: Tells them they need to do this to keep going
[12:32:40 AM] HPG: To NOT die
[12:32:41 AM] HPG: But
[12:32:48 AM] HPG: Why does the brain not want to die
[12:32:52 AM] HPG: Why does a person not want to die
[12:32:57 AM] Darkaniken2: It doesn't know.
[12:32:57 AM] HPG: What does the brain not want the person to die
[12:33:05 AM] HPG: Then why does it
[12:33:16 AM] Darkaniken2: The person doesn't really exist, because a person is the personality the brain develops.
[12:33:25 AM] HPG: So then it's not a person
[12:33:33 AM] Darkaniken2: But it is human.
[12:33:36 AM] Darkaniken2: It has human DNA
[12:33:44 AM] HPG: Let's see where this all started
[12:33:46 AM] Darkaniken2: It has a human body.
[12:34:07 AM] Darkaniken2: What were we talking about again?
[12:34:40 AM] Darkaniken2: Found it
[12:34:46 AM] Darkaniken2: I missed the 'land' chart
[12:34:51 AM] HPG: Not that
[12:34:56 AM] Darkaniken2: You said I should commit suicide.
[12:35:00 AM] HPG: This arguement
[12:35:16 AM] HPG: Is someone without a personality a person?
[12:35:23 AM] Darkaniken2: Thats where we started the string of arguements anyway.
[12:35:41 AM] Darkaniken2: No, but does it have to be a person to be human?
[12:35:44 AM] Darkaniken2: What is human?
[12:35:57 AM] HPG: When did I ever say show me a human without feelings
[12:36:09 AM] HPG: I said show me a person without feelings
[12:36:40 AM] HPG: That a person can not not feel emotion
[12:37:34 AM] HPG: I can't prove there are people like that
but you can't prove that there aren't.
[12:37:49 AM] HPG: Are people people without personality
[12:38:03 AM] Darkaniken2: Define people.
[12:38:19 AM] Darkaniken2: Are your people the same as my people? Are my people the same as my dads people?
[12:38:40 AM] Darkaniken2: Do braindead humans count as people?
[12:39:03 AM] Darkaniken2: Different thing, but same concept.
[12:39:12 AM] Darkaniken2: It's all a matter of perspective.
[12:39:25 AM] HPG: People=more than one person right?
[12:39:47 AM] Darkaniken2: Anyway, we've discussed suicide, perfection, and emotions tonight. Let's shoot for ambition tomorrow, shall we?
[12:39:52 AM] Darkaniken2: I dunno.
[12:40:05 AM] HPG: 5. the persons of any particular group, company, or number (sometimes used in combination)
[12:40:06 AM] HPG: That is people
[12:40:09 AM] Darkaniken2: Some people say peoples, so does that make people singular?
[12:40:11 AM] HPG: So just more than one person
[12:40:35 AM] HPG: 3. an individual human being, esp. with reference to his or her social relationships and behavioral patterns as conditioned by the culture.
[12:40:37 AM] HPG: And that is person
[12:40:44 AM] Darkaniken2: So just change people in all mah sentences to person
[12:40:56 AM] Darkaniken2: Is a braindead person a person?
[12:41:02 AM] HPG: with reference to his or her social relationships and behavioral patterns as conditioned by the culture.
[12:41:23 AM] HPG: Do braindead persons have social relationships and behavioral patterns
[12:41:32 AM] Darkaniken2: Who knows? They be braindead.
[12:41:38 AM] HPG: Well
[12:41:39 AM] Darkaniken2: Maybe they talk to other braindead people?
[12:41:41 AM] HPG: They can't talk
[12:41:47 AM] HPG: And can't have a behavior....
[12:41:48 AM] Darkaniken2: In the land of... braindead?
[12:41:51 AM] HPG: Don't be retarded XD
[12:41:58 AM] Darkaniken2: I'm tired.
[12:42:07 AM] Darkaniken2: This stuff makes me thing
[12:42:08 AM] HPG: Then I guess I win
[12:42:12 AM] Darkaniken2: And it's too late for me to think
[12:42:20 AM] Darkaniken2: Or too early, however you want to put it
[12:43:07 AM] Darkaniken2: So yes HPG, you win this round. I win the suicide arguement, you win the emotion argument, and I don't think we ever finished the prefection one because we agreed it was pointless.
[12:43:46 AM] HPG: Did we even really finish the suicide one.. I don't remember... >.>
[12:43:49 AM] Darkaniken2: Eh
[12:43:52 AM] Darkaniken2: I win by default
[12:43:57 AM] Darkaniken2: Because you've got no experiance
