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Bah, big discussion for nothing new.
So complaining about Premades and coplayers ?
A long complaining post needs a long answer right
#Premades:
- There are premades made in the intent to win the world, to teach, to start-up, draw things on the map... anything.
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The move the leaders adopt at one point (be it merge for speeding up victory,just battle it to the end, or just start-up then mass delete...) is not something anyone out of these tribes should complain about as they are unrelated to these tribes and just don't know the reasons which lead to that.
It is as well the privilege of these tribes to decide what to do and your point of view is nothing worth as an outsider. If they decide to make a given world shorter, so be it.
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Well a premade is something that is set up before the world opens, so it should be kinda hard without making contact with the members before the world starts...
The point is that these contacts, as any guys joining a premade will support the startegy and plan of this premade tribe so in fact it has everything to do with strategy... o/
With these quotes and from what I read from the 1st post, the guy is more complaining about the "elite" part of premades and coplayers.
So what's an "elite" premade ?
a) premade made of start-up freaks ?
b) premade made of tribe members from an older world, used to great coordination ? (DSL for example or MCD)
c) premade with mixed experienced members but with strong leadership, teaching abilities and a tactic for long term...
d) premade of friends wanting to play together, without long term plan, regardless of playing abilities
e) premade of people unrelated gunning in the same target (drawing things on the world map, whatever)
f) servers elite premade (.de invasion or whatver)... almost never a start-up only tribe.
g) joker...
Premades are created to achieve something anyway, so once again it's more a strategical planning relying on contacts (be it old or recent). A premade is just but a tribe, with a little bit of planning ahead and as such qualifies to play tribalwars.
Hard to say which one has the edge... depends on how long your members plan to play, what the goals gathering the crew were...
Usually decent premades planned their early moves before the world starts: they have an edge but it doesn't mean they will be successfull, even at early game.
Worlds where tribes were randomly attributed (like w27 I think, where I played) made these premades kinda useless, so this setting should be enough for you if you don't like premades. -and I must say it was rather interesting-
Though there is 1 rule you should remember, even with the differences in settings and that being unrelated to any tribes or premades:
The strongest players remain the strongest: simply put because they mastered everything, going from bp behavior, training the right troops at the right time, according to their location and neighbors, the place of their teammates, the diplomacy (on a player's level), their use of scripts and of course their decisions.
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This is absolutely wrong. I'm not the only good starter that doesn't use these restart mail and I couldn't care less about the one who use them.
If they need more barbs for their way of playing and some people are that impressed and obey, that's their own problem.
I've been playing for a very long time, be it as a solo player, in a nice noob tribe with nice people or in pseudo-leet or pure leet tribes (with nice people as well) and this has never been an hindrance, in any way, to the rankings I secured (and by that I mean plenty of #1 or any top #3).
I myself don't really care a lot about BP and thus don't rely much on barbs amount in my neighborhood (though 2 or 3 are nice). The more active players and high village density I have, the best... and I'm not the only one who likes this kind of thing.
Pointwhoring is not the right word as well, as it's never bad to increase your points while training troops non-stop at the same time. It's just how it has to be for a good start.
More troops means more farm space needed, more farm space demands some building upgrades, as well as HQ to speed up the farm upgrades... and so on.
It's more the guys whose points increase very fast after BP you should be warry off, and its actually not that hard to see which kind of buildings they made... should give you a hint about the troops count of said guy.
As of being not too close to each members at start up, its only natural as any decent start up can clear at least its 25x25 without worries and farming in a 50x50 is quite possible while keeping some people alive for support and 1 or 2 noble targets, more or less close depending on world settings (coins or packet...).
[/spoil][spoil]And should that problem arise, BS Naps and alliances are secured, and it all comes across as very pitiful.
That's just making use of diplomacy, one core aspect of this beautiful game. if you think it's pitifull, go play call of duty or something.
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This depends on the leader and his ability to keep its own followers under him. One of the most important thing for a leader if not the most.[/spoil][spoil]
As for egos, it's actually almost the only thing that keeps the great players -who have achieved almost everything- playing... that doesn't mean they are bad guys, it's just that makes the game and the forum an interesting place to take a look at.
Well sorry for not quoting everyhing else, so I'll just finish with this:
I personnaly don't think premades are a bad thing as it's a source of inspiration for any gamer who wishes to:
- make durable friends or just have a good time
- improve their gaming
- reach top ranks
- earn respect
And most new players who suffered a beating, would actually love to experience the joy of being part of a premade, be it a leet start-up tribe or anything: the feeling of being close to each others is priceless, and is actually an important part of being in a "tribe".
It's as well wrong to say that good premades don't accept new players (or noobs like some people call them) as it's really almost always the opposite. It really depends on their dedication.
Premades are a bit special in the way that you signed up in it: the relation of trust and being accepted started before the world opened, which make you closer to your teammates.[/spoil]
#coplayers (just a few words):
[spoil]TW is like all games. If you search a bit you'll find that every player is ranked. AS a player the goal is to improve your ranking. As a tribe it's the same...
The thing was /is / will be that your ranking will improve faster if your account remains active. That way, your tribe will of course grow faster. So you can use a sitter or a coplayer so that your account remains active.
-Sitting accounts has some restrictions (farming /attacking/support...) so most people who care for rankings nowadays have coplayers.
It's still possible to be in top 20 with an half decent sitter (or even without sometimes, just depends on the players playing the world and your own activity). If you disagree with that, it just means you didn't consider all aspects of the game which gives you (as a guy who plays(ed) 18 + hours /day) way enough chance to grab rank #1: be it at early game or end game when most are chillaxing.
As for alias you mentioned, I can't remember all the accounts I made, i must have like 50 google mail accounts just for tw, and just because I like switching names,as well as for consideration for my own coplayers:
I fancy using new names, each one of them being a new adventure and considering all coplayers as one equal who can brag later that they where here and did and get as much glory as I did.
I have no idea why people dislikes alias that much, as our own names are almost always on the profile, so not really a "hide incognito among the noobs" thing :s
Anyway, once you have seen a bit of this game, you'll be happy to have coplayers who know how you play and can make sure your accout grows the way you want it. And this is absolutely not possible for any guy who shows up to co you, believe me. It requires experience in playing the game to make such mates and efficient coplayers shouldn't be regarded as being an easy thing to have.
Strong players and their coplayers deserve their ranking and having a 6-coplaying average guys account is ofc not in the radar of a 2-strong coplayers combo, and that -almost- regardless of their activity.
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So complaining about Premades and coplayers ?
A long complaining post needs a long answer right
#Premades:
- There are premades made in the intent to win the world, to teach, to start-up, draw things on the map... anything.
[spoil]
The move the leaders adopt at one point (be it merge for speeding up victory,just battle it to the end, or just start-up then mass delete...) is not something anyone out of these tribes should complain about as they are unrelated to these tribes and just don't know the reasons which lead to that.
It is as well the privilege of these tribes to decide what to do and your point of view is nothing worth as an outsider. If they decide to make a given world shorter, so be it.
[/spoil]
[Spoil]
Well a premade is something that is set up before the world opens, so it should be kinda hard without making contact with the members before the world starts...
The point is that these contacts, as any guys joining a premade will support the startegy and plan of this premade tribe so in fact it has everything to do with strategy... o/
With these quotes and from what I read from the 1st post, the guy is more complaining about the "elite" part of premades and coplayers.
So what's an "elite" premade ?
a) premade made of start-up freaks ?
b) premade made of tribe members from an older world, used to great coordination ? (DSL for example or MCD)
c) premade with mixed experienced members but with strong leadership, teaching abilities and a tactic for long term...
d) premade of friends wanting to play together, without long term plan, regardless of playing abilities
e) premade of people unrelated gunning in the same target (drawing things on the world map, whatever)
f) servers elite premade (.de invasion or whatver)... almost never a start-up only tribe.
g) joker...
Premades are created to achieve something anyway, so once again it's more a strategical planning relying on contacts (be it old or recent). A premade is just but a tribe, with a little bit of planning ahead and as such qualifies to play tribalwars.
Hard to say which one has the edge... depends on how long your members plan to play, what the goals gathering the crew were...
Usually decent premades planned their early moves before the world starts: they have an edge but it doesn't mean they will be successfull, even at early game.
Worlds where tribes were randomly attributed (like w27 I think, where I played) made these premades kinda useless, so this setting should be enough for you if you don't like premades. -and I must say it was rather interesting-
Though there is 1 rule you should remember, even with the differences in settings and that being unrelated to any tribes or premades:
The strongest players remain the strongest: simply put because they mastered everything, going from bp behavior, training the right troops at the right time, according to their location and neighbors, the place of their teammates, the diplomacy (on a player's level), their use of scripts and of course their decisions.
[/Spoil]
[spoil]
This is absolutely wrong. I'm not the only good starter that doesn't use these restart mail and I couldn't care less about the one who use them.
If they need more barbs for their way of playing and some people are that impressed and obey, that's their own problem.
I've been playing for a very long time, be it as a solo player, in a nice noob tribe with nice people or in pseudo-leet or pure leet tribes (with nice people as well) and this has never been an hindrance, in any way, to the rankings I secured (and by that I mean plenty of #1 or any top #3).
I myself don't really care a lot about BP and thus don't rely much on barbs amount in my neighborhood (though 2 or 3 are nice). The more active players and high village density I have, the best... and I'm not the only one who likes this kind of thing.
Pointwhoring is not the right word as well, as it's never bad to increase your points while training troops non-stop at the same time. It's just how it has to be for a good start.
More troops means more farm space needed, more farm space demands some building upgrades, as well as HQ to speed up the farm upgrades... and so on.
It's more the guys whose points increase very fast after BP you should be warry off, and its actually not that hard to see which kind of buildings they made... should give you a hint about the troops count of said guy.
As of being not too close to each members at start up, its only natural as any decent start up can clear at least its 25x25 without worries and farming in a 50x50 is quite possible while keeping some people alive for support and 1 or 2 noble targets, more or less close depending on world settings (coins or packet...).
[/spoil][spoil]And should that problem arise, BS Naps and alliances are secured, and it all comes across as very pitiful.
That's just making use of diplomacy, one core aspect of this beautiful game. if you think it's pitifull, go play call of duty or something.
[/spoil]
[spoil]
This depends on the leader and his ability to keep its own followers under him. One of the most important thing for a leader if not the most.[/spoil][spoil]
I don't think it's allowed according to the rules, must have been more a joke than anything.
As for egos, it's actually almost the only thing that keeps the great players -who have achieved almost everything- playing... that doesn't mean they are bad guys, it's just that makes the game and the forum an interesting place to take a look at.
Well sorry for not quoting everyhing else, so I'll just finish with this:
I personnaly don't think premades are a bad thing as it's a source of inspiration for any gamer who wishes to:
- make durable friends or just have a good time
- improve their gaming
- reach top ranks
- earn respect
And most new players who suffered a beating, would actually love to experience the joy of being part of a premade, be it a leet start-up tribe or anything: the feeling of being close to each others is priceless, and is actually an important part of being in a "tribe".
It's as well wrong to say that good premades don't accept new players (or noobs like some people call them) as it's really almost always the opposite. It really depends on their dedication.
Premades are a bit special in the way that you signed up in it: the relation of trust and being accepted started before the world opened, which make you closer to your teammates.[/spoil]
#coplayers (just a few words):
[spoil]TW is like all games. If you search a bit you'll find that every player is ranked. AS a player the goal is to improve your ranking. As a tribe it's the same...
The thing was /is / will be that your ranking will improve faster if your account remains active. That way, your tribe will of course grow faster. So you can use a sitter or a coplayer so that your account remains active.
-Sitting accounts has some restrictions (farming /attacking/support...) so most people who care for rankings nowadays have coplayers.
It's still possible to be in top 20 with an half decent sitter (or even without sometimes, just depends on the players playing the world and your own activity). If you disagree with that, it just means you didn't consider all aspects of the game which gives you (as a guy who plays(ed) 18 + hours /day) way enough chance to grab rank #1: be it at early game or end game when most are chillaxing.
As for alias you mentioned, I can't remember all the accounts I made, i must have like 50 google mail accounts just for tw, and just because I like switching names,as well as for consideration for my own coplayers:
I fancy using new names, each one of them being a new adventure and considering all coplayers as one equal who can brag later that they where here and did and get as much glory as I did.
I have no idea why people dislikes alias that much, as our own names are almost always on the profile, so not really a "hide incognito among the noobs" thing :s
Anyway, once you have seen a bit of this game, you'll be happy to have coplayers who know how you play and can make sure your accout grows the way you want it. And this is absolutely not possible for any guy who shows up to co you, believe me. It requires experience in playing the game to make such mates and efficient coplayers shouldn't be regarded as being an easy thing to have.
Strong players and their coplayers deserve their ranking and having a 6-coplaying average guys account is ofc not in the radar of a 2-strong coplayers combo, and that -almost- regardless of their activity.
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