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Had an interesting report sent to me the other week:
How in the world did this noble live? Maybe I'm out of the loop on noble surival calcs, so I ended up reaching out to TW staff:
And of course, they were correct--if you sim the troops and buffs, the noble will survive. When I questioned about what the calculation was that caused the noble to survive, support responded again:
So I took the suggestion to heart!
Why was the only unit that mattered in the calculation the axes? I tried some sims myself, to see if I could imitate anything similar. What's interesting is that it seems like axes have the closest relationship to nobles through all my calcs. For example:
Despite over 3/4 of the LC dying, because half the axe lived, the noble survives. If you add 10 LC to the defender, 5 axe still survive, but the noble dies in this sim--so there is some invisible threshold that exists. Likely, the losses in actually would like 5.49 axes dying (noble lives) vs 5.51 axes dying (noble dies)
You can also see in this example how important axes are to the noble surviving:
Despite losing only 17 LC, we lose over 50% of our axe, so the noble dies.
One more example, an even more ironic one:
So here our invisible axe threshold went above 50% of the axes, so our noble died despite losing only a fraction of our LC and entire escort in general.
So I wanted to try one last calc, which brought some REALLY odd results.
Now this is a really, really weird one, and one that I feel like shouldn't happen. Over 90% of our escort survives, without any axe, and yet our noble dies. How is this even possible?
If you switch the sword out with spear, you get a more expected result:
Over half our LC dies, but the noble lives. But why? If over half our axe die, we lose a noble, but not LC?
So what is happening here? If there are no axe present, I think that the TW noble calculation places invisible axes in the calculation with no attack power. If over 50% of the axe were to die in the calculation, the noble dies.
Here you can see an example of this with HC:
So you can see why the noble dies in the first calculation despite HC being the only unit. Half the axe die if they were in the escort.
If we replay the sim above the HC one with the LC and spear with axe in it:
We lose below 50% of our axe, so the noble lives. We would need to increase our spear amounts until we lose 50% of our axe before the noble dies.
So there you have it. Forgive me if this is common knowledge.. but I thought this was very interesting. I guess the secret to sniping trains is to use swords and HC!
![43e9ca8bdd780c7f86fe945ad8be92cc.png](https://i.gyazo.com/43e9ca8bdd780c7f86fe945ad8be92cc.png)
How in the world did this noble live? Maybe I'm out of the loop on noble surival calcs, so I ended up reaching out to TW staff:
![15e9b99de354c32d8cd9a80b3d4f19e9.png](https://i.gyazo.com/15e9b99de354c32d8cd9a80b3d4f19e9.png)
And of course, they were correct--if you sim the troops and buffs, the noble will survive. When I questioned about what the calculation was that caused the noble to survive, support responded again:
![12910615f176850bd5e8a797531f92bb.png](https://i.gyazo.com/12910615f176850bd5e8a797531f92bb.png)
So I took the suggestion to heart!
Why was the only unit that mattered in the calculation the axes? I tried some sims myself, to see if I could imitate anything similar. What's interesting is that it seems like axes have the closest relationship to nobles through all my calcs. For example:
![45231592d006c797f95babeef2797333.png](https://i.gyazo.com/45231592d006c797f95babeef2797333.png)
Despite over 3/4 of the LC dying, because half the axe lived, the noble survives. If you add 10 LC to the defender, 5 axe still survive, but the noble dies in this sim--so there is some invisible threshold that exists. Likely, the losses in actually would like 5.49 axes dying (noble lives) vs 5.51 axes dying (noble dies)
You can also see in this example how important axes are to the noble surviving:
![657c7f36e0ac50d60e85a9026b840d09.png](https://i.gyazo.com/657c7f36e0ac50d60e85a9026b840d09.png)
Despite losing only 17 LC, we lose over 50% of our axe, so the noble dies.
One more example, an even more ironic one:
![8ff55cf9e33282ac87215d3620c1f291.png](https://i.gyazo.com/8ff55cf9e33282ac87215d3620c1f291.png)
So here our invisible axe threshold went above 50% of the axes, so our noble died despite losing only a fraction of our LC and entire escort in general.
So I wanted to try one last calc, which brought some REALLY odd results.
![e5ed98675c7a7ec9589a92a7289b089d.png](https://i.gyazo.com/e5ed98675c7a7ec9589a92a7289b089d.png)
Now this is a really, really weird one, and one that I feel like shouldn't happen. Over 90% of our escort survives, without any axe, and yet our noble dies. How is this even possible?
If you switch the sword out with spear, you get a more expected result:
![f8429165b3b0ed04c7f0cedfb8fbafb6.png](https://i.gyazo.com/f8429165b3b0ed04c7f0cedfb8fbafb6.png)
Over half our LC dies, but the noble lives. But why? If over half our axe die, we lose a noble, but not LC?
So what is happening here? If there are no axe present, I think that the TW noble calculation places invisible axes in the calculation with no attack power. If over 50% of the axe were to die in the calculation, the noble dies.
Here you can see an example of this with HC:
![df963ad51121cea30956586c046a4e09.png](https://i.gyazo.com/df963ad51121cea30956586c046a4e09.png)
![3d09becebe7f30a4fc893936d955f0c6.png](https://i.gyazo.com/3d09becebe7f30a4fc893936d955f0c6.png)
So you can see why the noble dies in the first calculation despite HC being the only unit. Half the axe die if they were in the escort.
If we replay the sim above the HC one with the LC and spear with axe in it:
![484e29b007c8af33bd08a60c6c1405da.png](https://i.gyazo.com/484e29b007c8af33bd08a60c6c1405da.png)
We lose below 50% of our axe, so the noble lives. We would need to increase our spear amounts until we lose 50% of our axe before the noble dies.
![719826accb953e2fdd24233f366e302c.png](https://i.gyazo.com/719826accb953e2fdd24233f366e302c.png)
![6665984f663f4e91b813a75d6a01366c.png](https://i.gyazo.com/6665984f663f4e91b813a75d6a01366c.png)
So there you have it. Forgive me if this is common knowledge.. but I thought this was very interesting. I guess the secret to sniping trains is to use swords and HC!
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