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DeletedUser

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OK, we all know that this is a German game by German developers hosted in Germany. This is also a politics forum in said game. Now, politics can encompass a great deal of things. If I were to create a new tribe and call it something like "The New Aryan Nation" with a tag of NAZIS, would that be a cause for retaliation? I understand that it is illegal in Germany to have anything to do with Nazism and any of it's political bents but would a game hosted in Germany but played by non-German, non-residents be illegal?

Now, I'm not saying that I like anything to do with Nazi Germany or anything that they did either before or during WWII. However, they were a great military power in their time and had some great military hardware and personnel. That kind of thing translates well to many games having to do with war and the execution of war. It lends itself to great battles in such games and also to great discussions. What I am looking to discuss is whether we, as humans who have descended from men who fought and died in World War II, can discuss and learn from that major historical event. Can we also use that event as a tool and resource for entertainment and not be called racists, fascist, communist, or socialist?

I have come to the conclusion that many people are too thin skinned to ever discuss many topics without getting extremely emotional and irrational. It is a shame that these same people are too often put in positions of power and responsibility. They are allowed to make decisions that effect a great many people and their lives based solely on their emotional responses and reactions.

What do you think?
 

DeletedUser4596

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{just a little note}Personally, I do not exactly know what a nazi is. I know the basics of what they did but not why they did it.

I think the only emotion a leader should ever have is none. A leader should be soully dedicated to help and benefit the people he serves. Notice how I said "he serves" not "who he leads"? I say that because a leader should not lead his people solely he should also help them in any time of need.

The only thing on a leader's mind should be "what is best for my people", not like other leaders who's mind is cluttered with "how can I make myself look better towards my people" and "how can I get revenge for what they [the enemy] did". A leader should never be faith of heart because he endangers the safety of those who depend on him because they thought in a time of danger s/he would lead them to safety.
 

DeletedUser4797

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I completely agree, not saying that we should go around saying degrading things. But WW2 and The Holocaust was one of Europe´s darkest chapters, along with the slavery of the africans. Therefore we should learn and evolve, so not to allow it to happen again (Which some people say was happening in the Isreal-Libanon conflict). Due to the fact that many people who hold power are afraid of losing it, they do not address this matter because they fear the people´s response. In Germany, a lot of people still have horrible memories from this (my Grandmother´s old friend was in a concentration camp) but that is exacly why they should talk about it. In 3 of Germany´s states, New nazis are in the "government", and that is in the old East Germany where people are poor! Exacly the same thing is happening! Therefore it must be addressed properly, in controlled forms. If i insulted anyone with this post, I am truly sorry, but this is a matter of outmost importance which I felt like i had to give my views upon.
 

DeletedUser1185

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Sorry but I would have to say naming your tribe that would be In very bad taste As it goes The Nazi's were representative of the worst humanity Can sink too,and to Emulate them by naming your tribe thusly would be lacking in honor,pride or even common sense or decency.
 

DeletedUser4797

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Actually, humanity has sunken roughly to the same level before. During the crusades, christian warriors brutally slaughtered all non-christian citizens of Jerusalem. On the journeys to Africa to collect slaves, American and European ships not only killed them, but humiliated them and tortured them, They were for example thrown into the sea with heavy chains, together with their children to state examples.
 

Mr.Darky

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Spockman said:
OK, we all know that this is a German game by German developers hosted in Germany. This is also a politics forum in said game. Now, politics can encompass a great deal of things. If I were to create a new tribe and call it something like "The New Aryan Nation" with a tag of NAZIS, would that be a cause for retaliation? I understand that it is illegal in Germany to have anything to do with Nazism and any of it's political bents but would a game hosted in Germany but played by non-German, non-residents be illegal?

Now, I'm not saying that I like anything to do with Nazi Germany or anything that they did either before or during WWII. However, they were a great military power in their time and had some great military hardware and personnel. That kind of thing translates well to many games having to do with war and the execution of war. It lends itself to great battles in such games and also to great discussions. What I am looking to discuss is whether we, as humans who have descended from men who fought and died in World War II, can discuss and learn from that major historical event. Can we also use that event as a tool and resource for entertainment and not be called racists, fascist, communist, or socialist?

I have come to the conclusion that many people are too thin skinned to ever discuss many topics without getting extremely emotional and irrational. It is a shame that these same people are too often put in positions of power and responsibility. They are allowed to make decisions that effect a great many people and their lives based solely on their emotional responses and reactions.

What do you think?
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Touching, but for one out of disgust and hatred your tribe would never accomplish. Aside from the history we've all learned and know of think of how it would work in game? Most wouldn't accept caz its kind of something even I wouldn't accept to. pretty crazy. Also other german tribes or people may not like it, you'r tribe'd die in 5 seconds if there lucky. and the only person in that tribe'd be you. Fancy having 200 nobles after you? :p
 

bedplay+toast

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Daffanka said:
Actually, humanity has sunken roughly to the same level before. During the crusades, christian warriors brutally slaughtered all non-christian citizens of Jerusalem. On the journeys to Africa to collect slaves, American and European ships not only killed them, but humiliated them and tortured them, They were for example thrown into the sea with heavy chains, together with their children to state examples.
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The thing is in those times people had a different mindset about everything.

Nazi Germany was bad, yes, the main reason because of the Holocaust but, at that time, there were plenty of people who sided with the allies with a similar mindset.

The worst thing people can do is blame Germany for what happened.
The ammount of German citizens either brainwashed and clueless or just plain scared would have outweighed the evil Germans.
What people need to remember is that there are evil people like that in every society, class, religion, it just needs something to spark it off, in this case the poverty in Germany.
 

Mr.Darky

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bedplay+toast said:
The thing is in those times people had a different mindset about everything.

Nazi Germany was bad, yes, the main reason because of the Holocaust but, at that time, there were plenty of people who sided with the allies with a similar mindset.

The worst thing people can do is blame Germany for what happened.
The ammount of German citizens either brainwashed and clueless or just plain scared would have outweighed the evil Germans.
What people need to remember is that there are evil people like that in every society, class, religion, it just needs something to spark it off, in this case the poverty in Germany.
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That is true. Did you know an american writer once got sued for blaming germany about the holocaust. and you know who sued him? An American himself. NO where near related to germany. Thats what I call something to spark it off. If only there were other that would do tha same. And its true, through test results from years back of living nazi's/germans. about somewhere in the 70's percent of the WHOLE FAT HUGE LARGE german populatioin didn't know 1 third of a quarter of why the heck they were doing it all. More to say it, some just said because hitler said it and others did it. Quite sad really :(
 
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