Unsure on where any of your 'information' comes from.
I dont get my information from anywhere.....ive played this game for so many years that anyone that pays attention can see patterns in behavior. Mine is simply a guess....but an educated one
DSy4 has always been an aggressive tribe. We also honour diplomacy, which all members have known before becoming a part of our tribe.
The two comments dont relate to each other.
I am not attacking your "honor".....ive already made a plethora of statement regarding my thoughts on "honor" in a MMOPG war game that rewards the ones who plan and attack. "honor" is the thing losing tribes mention when they get beat
No, im addressing (or giving my thoughts) on why a once aggressive tribe is not anymore.
You've numbered 2 points - both of which are ignorant or just plain dumb. I'll waste a few moments educating you.
Which you didnt accomplish...instead you got mad at whatever truth i hit upon
1) Yes, DSy4 has had diplomacy with 2 tribes for a while - Infect & ~TR~. Infect has had DSy4 and Ronin NAPed for months. The same number of tribes but even bigger borders. Leaving very little/no real expansion room for Infect. Criticize us for diplomacy if you like (I would agree with you), but you are being a hypocrite by doing so as your argument is the exact same approach Infect has taken on this world. It's not a bad thing, but it's a fact you cannot dispute.
I am not talking about us. Suffice to say, i was ready to quit the world had we not declared on you guys. One can only take barbs and farm for so long before they get bored
No, i am talking about your strategy.
And please look up the definition of hypocrite. We would be a hypocrite IF we were experiencing the same thing as DSY, but instead we havent
Ask yourself...why is that?
As for your ODA comments...many our members have a 10 day one-way distance to the Ronin front. We had launched a day or two before Infect declared. 20 days with most members being very low on available nukes, and all defense in the wrong place (as it had to land, come back and then be sent to where it was then needed), stops any retaliation from being feasibly possible..
We've mentioned that several times before. 3 weeks is 21 days. If you are unable to comprehend basic maths, that is your problem. Kindly educate yourself further before trying to come out acting like you know what you are talking about. Because quite simply, you don't :icon_idea:
Ah....the crux of your argument (lol)
So youve proven a few things with your comment above
1) Again, i will reiterate, i am not talking about caps, hence the defense argument (although lame and not true), is pointless because its not applicable to the argument
2) Forcing people, especially warrior types, to launch their nukes on 20 day excursions bores the living hell out of them. Warrior types want to fight, and they want to fight in close quarters. Once you bore people on this game, they quit. By napping everything except a small front on the western seaboard, you have collectively told your whole eastern part of the tribe to become plant eaters (barb noblers and internalizers)
3) To claim that everyone and their grandmother across the whole tribe launched, regardless of distance, at Ronin a couple of days prior to our surprise attack, as the SOLE reason why 3/4 of the tribe hasnt attacked for 3 weeks is, well, just plain dumb. That argument might work for the ones who dont think...but for anyone with half a brain, they will see that is quite an illogical.....basically a politician way of creating an all out lie in order to cover up major flaws in the leadership
Now, with that being said, im calling BS on the premise that your tribe hasnt attacked us because of your statement that you did this mass attack.
Lets look at the combined war stats against ronin and infect:
Rank Name Tribe Conquered villages Lost villages Defeated opponents while attacking Defeated opponents while defending
eastern infect 55 Asahel DSy4 0 2 51.745 721.561
eastern ronin 33 Asahel DSy4 18 1 460.496 164.853
eastern infect 65 crypticquip (disbanded) 0 2 0 713.18
eastern infect 37 Fratibus DSy4 1 48 1.922.365 25.664.597
eastern ronin 40 Fratibus DSy4 9 7 788.123 116.316
eastern infect 35 horrigmoe DSy4 2 67 2.020.728 10.146.043
eastern infect 50 Impaler from Darkness DSy4 1 29 156.328 1.170.368
eastern ronin 61 Impaler from Darkness DSy4 0 1 93.109 9.596
eastern infect 58 kahlaan (disbanded) 0 0 5.994 409.434
eastern ronin 74 kahlaan (disbanded) 0 0 0 122
eastern infect 66 lolandylol (deleted) (disbanded) 0 23 0 3.075.387
eastern ronin 57 lolandylol (deleted) (disbanded) 0 1 1.893 96
eastern infect 42 masterfool101 DSy4 2 155 1.233.975 28.806.970
eastern ronin 65 masterfool101 DSy4 0 1 2.258.167 71.984
eastern infect 64 neyf78 DSy4 0 0 0 40
eastern ronin 35 neyf78 DSy4 16 1 2.854.620 5.321
eastern ronin 62 Paranoid Badger (deleted) (disbanded) 0 0 6.242 0
eastern infect 56 Pwalford (disbanded) 0 2 38.251 4.539
eastern ronin 58 Pwalford (disbanded) 0 1 0 514.269
eastern infect 46 tengyao DSy4 0 0 525.627 280.169
eastern ronin 49 tengyao DSy4 2 2 967.394 42.962
eastern infect 16 The Mohyal DSy4 11 13 5.869.888 5.624.081
eastern ronin 55 The Mohyal DSy4 0 0 295.05 0
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central infect 69 abhorsen128 DSy4 0 19 0 3.502.227
central ronin 24 abhorsen128 DSy4 26 15 2.795.025 1.491.137
central ronin 46 Cryptic Dumb and Dumber (disbanded) 4 6 1.344.183 795.758
central infect 39 Do Not Disturb DSy4 5 97 1.871.369 26.630.027
central ronin 2 Do Not Disturb DSy4 137 9 15.754.278 2.334.200
central infect 54 Dr-SM DSy4 5 0 84.009 4.175.008
central ronin 5 Dr-SM DSy4 75 6 11.143.874 2.627.253
central infect 67 Encrypt DSy4 0 1 0 19.849
central infect 53 gjkevin DSy4 6 9 120.812 4.728.920
central ronin 39 gjkevin DSy4 12 13 6.661.896 21.904.643
central infect 10 Mysterious Viking Relic DSy4 11 11 8.546.168 24.204.894
central ronin 17 Mysterious Viking Relic DSy4 29 0 4.123.523 439.915
central infect 28 normy. DSy4 9 317 3.015.140 21.855.478
central ronin 52 normy. DSy4 1 2 2.198.378 128.475
central infect 63 Radagust DSy4 0 0 0 60
central ronin 48 Radagust DSy4 3 1 1.436.551 546.72
central infect 20 Solace015 DSy4 0 34 4.770.056 2.397.776
central ronin 72 Solace015 DSy4 0 0 0 102
central infect 48 Supreme Jellybean DSy4 0 20 259.368 6.443.443
central ronin 45 Supreme Jellybean DSy4 5 5 1.549.256 19.602
central ronin 75 TheTank450f DSy4 0 0 2 0
central infect 49 World of Clues DSy4 2 40 245.484 8.954.282
central ronin 43 World of Clues DSy4 6 4 600.954 782.155
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western infect 43 Come Little Children (disbanded) 7 476 1.101.446 24.981.682
western ronin 27 Come Little Children (disbanded) 25 278 2.085.355 34.847.856
western infect 17 Deep.Pockets DSy4 2 1 5.668.625 563
western ronin 51 Deep.Pockets DSy4 1 0 1.495.517 176.108
western infect 60 dernek DSy4 0 0 10 0
western ronin 11 dernek DSy4 59 11 5.144.469 358.172
western infect 68 dl1977 (disbanded) 0 3 0 387.457
western ronin 32 dl1977 (disbanded) 18 271 4.706.837 28.589.961
western infect 57 Killer willard DSy4 0 147 23.772 12.475.568
western ronin 77 Killer willard DSy4 0 0 1.250.935 0
western infect 62 Maggot132 DSy4 0 0 0 6.853
western ronin 1 Maggot132 DSy4 227 29 19.894.748 11.189.483
western infect 25 MotorZeppelin DSy4 0 3 4.271.605 1.217.552
western ronin 13 MotorZeppelin DSy4 49 14 7.312.308 776.474
western infect 61 pawpaw1 DSy4 0 17 0 788.963
western ronin 41 pawpaw1 DSy4 9 80 1.333.784 4.555.391
western ronin 31 pec12 (disbanded) 19 57 4.390.200 23.543.073
western infect 52 RideHardOrStayHome DSy4 0 16 124.485 1.442.342
western ronin 26 RideHardOrStayHome DSy4 25 167 2.496.043 15.910.496
western infect 3 sidd 271 DSy4 25 10 13.829.326 17.408.133
western ronin 34 sidd 271 DSy4 17 2 3.568.710 609.029
western ronin 70 Spice Miner (deleted) (disbanded) 0 5 0 546.779
western infect 32 UnDeCoDeD DSy4 7 0 2.553.982 232.795
western ronin 28 UnDeCoDeD DSy4 25 2 7.892.224 1.187.937
western infect 59 Wildling DSy4 0 1 31 693.438
western ronin 29 Wildling DSy4 22 3 2.544.539 74.767
Legend:
xxxx = eastern players
xxxx = central players
xxxx = western players
So what does this info tell us? Let me break it down for you:
First off, understand that it takes a nuke 50 hrs to travel a K, that means travel time for nukes are as follows:
Eastern: 200-300 hrs (8.2-12.3 days)
Central: 100-200 hrs (4.1-8.2 days)
Western: 0-100 hrs (0-4.1 days)
Therefore, even the most eastern central players have a nuke rotation of 16 days, not 20
but lets look at the numbers more closely:
1) The only eastern players that have anything that resembles ODA against Ronin is masterfool101 and neyf78. With that being said, masterfool has more than just a few vills on the western side, hence his ODA's appears to strictly come from localized attacking on the west....not from their empire in the east. Only neyf78 appears to have attacked from long range
so what does this mean?
It disproves that your eastern players were launching on Ronin a few days prior to us declaring. Therefore, the "8-12 days to attack" individuals were, in fact, truly not attacking like you said
Some times people avoid losing troops by doding nukes, but when the combined ODA for the eastern players (less masterfool and ney) is 2 mil....well that means inactivity
2) During the latter parts of a world, when tribes get large, and time comes into play, you tend to see deletes on the war line and then opposite side of the empire. The war line people tend to get tired of fighting (or are getting killed) so they hit delete....the ones in the extreme backline get bored and delete.
DSY is proving this point when you see people leaving / deleting are either western or eastern players
3) It shows that your western players, for the most part, were active and fighting Ronin. It hurt though that your largest western player CLC....just got pawned.
4) Strategically, DSY focused on supporting their plant eaters (sim city types) than the meat eaters (warriors). The high ODD and lack of ODA of players on the western front (CLC, killer willard, ridehard, pec12, dl1977) was, although a very common mistake made by leadership of many a tribe, still a poor one.
I would have put all my eggs in the likes of sidd, maggot, motor, undecoded, derenk and say the hell with the rest. These individuals were holding the tribe together against ronin
5) Central players DND, DrSM, MVR, gjkevin are great warriors too, and was more than willing to send their nukes on 4-8 day adventures....which is a testiment to their drive...yet that still meant that there were 9 central players that didnt want to attack ronin.
What is the combined ODA of those 9 players vs Ronin? 9 mil.....ie, 1 mil per person.
What does this prove? That even the central players were not attacking ronin (outside of a few)....therefore now the "4-8" day players cant be included in your argument
I can go on and on....ive already wrote a thesis here....but i wont.
Unlike the name calling you did towards me in order to "prove your point"
Ive simply given you facts, and my interpretation of those facts. I would love to see your spin on this
peace
~Toll