I think people will excuse me for breaking my own forum-ban with these latest developments, i guess ive kinda ive ended up being the one whose thoughts r most relevant for once and therefore some of u might wanna hear them...
Ive tried to read through as many comments as possible and have a head full of points i now want to add, apologies if this ends up rather disjointed :icon_confused:
Firstly, our decision to join LSHRV was made by our council and there was indeed some of us that were against it but we have been a democratic tribe since our inception and the system has served us well thus far. Consequently we have many players who want to continue fighting LSHRV as u can see from posts in the this thread. However, i will say that they will all honour my instruction and they will play hard for our new tribe. Therefore no amount of propaganda will work here... for gods sake we had the entire W16 players and tribes going at us with insults, propaganda and bias, we know how to ignore that and get to work ingame. Saying that, from what ive read from C² all of their posts r very justified and polite and are asking all the right questions... this ill try to address here.
Looking at the merger from a non-biased overview of W16 this merger by far benefits LSHRV more than us. They lose a battlefront which frees up alot of their troops, make a friend in an experienced warring tribe, gain good players, look forward to revitalising their existing players upon seeing cavalry riding over there hill (couldnt resist that analogy lol), activity goes up meaning less sat accounts, almost all stats will swing in their favour... us on the otherhand have lived in the fire of war forever and know how to fight against all odds and grow, our enemies size, troopcount and skills never phase us, we see these as challenges not hinderances. We are almost 100% active and have an extremely efficient fighting force (something its nice to see has been noticed), we were happy to carry on playing the way we have been for as long as it took. We gain new bigger and arguably better players to our team, the map opens up for consumption, we are given a much better chance of seeing end-game.
Personally i agree with many people in this thread that this change doesnt actually make much difference to the C² war with LSHRV. Does anyone really think that our support will tip the balance? It concerns me that we are talking about support which is all about defense and not our nukes added to the fight which is all about offense. U cant win a war with defense as we all know lol... can u now tell im the one who put together almost all of our successful ops on LSHRV :icon_wink:. So like MicheilK quite rightly points out 'A good friend is worth more than a few villages.' - its about our players not how many villages or troops we bring to the table. Its our veteran players who will add to the LSHRV wareffort and thats what should concern C²...
Our leadership had to make decisions for the long term benefit of all Dust/Sunny players and the obvious choice is dictated by geography. I want to say publicly that our players in no way surrendered and were not giving in. I personally dont believe C² wouldve necessarily gone for us after LSHRV and dont agree at all that they are in anyway less trustworthy than any other top10 tribe. They declared on LSHRV cos they were simply the obvious next target, I as a tribe leader wouldve done the same. C² admit their players were getting bored which us leaders know is actually a
serious issue cos a bored player is one that goes red and disappears. Any previous diplo was relevant but can hardly be considered backstabbing or untrustworthy behaviour. Personally i cant believe a tribe whose livened up this world is actually getting slated for it (hint plight declare war on someone!), something Dust always been trying to do! lol
Likewise with LS & HRV, we always knew we would be on their menu once we met on the map and they didnt disappoint. Another great fighting force who should be commended for their warring ways. Although, considering one of the main criticisms against me is my lack of dilpo ability, i must say that both of their leadership let them down at this point. Something id also level at C² over the past few months when we couldve been allies against a common enemy, and also at the time u got wind of our offer of a merger (ill come back to this). U all couldve done much much better...
We couldve been close allies with C² but they did announce on these forums that they dont want any contact with us at all and that they wanted to fight LSHRV in their own war. This decision could turn out to be a regret of thiers, i know we were disappointed with this standpoint. However, with both of us fighting a common enemy some of us have spoken ingame and relations are actually ok. Its probably our players who have not spoken to C² that fear they will be future food tbh. I want to also correct alexhol and inform him that C² are correct that they did discuss with me diplomacy between us but this was in response to LSHRV discussions. My point is that u guys made an error of judgment that we wouldnt ever make relations with LSHRV, tbh i was the same so maybe this is a lesson to all of us. The hatred between us was possibly the deepest than any other 2 tribes in the history of this world afterall! (i might be corrected here lol)
2) I don't understand Sunny's decision. I read that it was a choice between merging with HRV or getting killed by C² eventually...but that's a false assumption. If they kept fighting LSHRV, they'd have nothing to fear from us.
tbh u shouldnt be surprised at all. None of our players have ever heard any clear compliments from C² during this war, in fact our memories of these forums has been clearly directed abuse against us from everyone. With that in mind ru therefore surprised that when our council met to discuss LSHRV offer most of them feared we are considered longterm food for u?
Admittedly some halfhearted nicities have been dropped since the C²/LSHRV war but nothing definitive which made us feel part a collective enterprise. I guess its never been cool for anyone to say anything positive publicly about Dust or Sunny lol
Our independance from any form of diplo agreements on this world has left a door wide open for any brave top tribe to come and speak to us and sadly LSHRV have beaten u to it. U all know my preference would never have been to choose them but in TW sometimes decisions make themselves according to whats on the table...
but you dont see me coming on here crying about everything do you?
It is what it is...what makes you so special that you have to come on here and basically slander everything we do?
Does this look familiar?
MK how does it feel that when u make a perfectly genuine posting thats intended to ask a few questions, make a few points and add a little humour and someone comes on and accuses u of crying about things and slandering... hmmmm
Thats right I had to put up with this too and we all know where that went :icon_wink: my advice is to cut through these posts and engage with the serious people worth discussing with...
I haven't heard 1 mention of the support you all have been getting from Plight for months on the front with us. Don't even try to deny it.
This is possibly the single most important point in this thread because plight r effectively 1 or 2 major decisions away from winning this world and what they do next is therefore key...
If Sunny can turn that around (and keep it turned around, mind you!), I'll be thoroughly impressed.
If they put me in charge then that turn around is guaranteed! :lol:
Ende
PS its a shame that we didnt get a chance to make the announcement cos i think LSHRV wanted to make some important points surrounding the merger.
, we simply did not find it likely to happen. Even when we were contacted about the merger possibility, we didn't realise we were expected to "win a bidding war", plus we thought our intentions towards Sunny was clear. We were wrong, I guess...damn shame too.