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But I thought all the diverted support and nukes would make such a big difference!
Half of the reasoning was about that, after all.
Then we've got you saying all the members moving over will make the difference. It's been over 2 weeks. How long does it take? Not to mention that you can easily just divert the members in-waiting supports and nukes to the front, can't you?
Admit it, there's no difference. In fact, I think the nobling rate on C2's part has increased.
There will always be some confusion around mergers especially during a war. I am not making up excuses, because yes it has increased.
I would like to say though that hopefully once everyone is settled in and the ex-sunny players get their feet wet in a real war that maybe we can start turning this thing around.
Will it happen for sure? No one can really tell. C2 is an extremely skilled tribe. It doesn't take a genius to figure that much out. But LSHRV is not doing extremely bad. Most people look at the stats and see 2 bars (one much larger than the other, yes) but in a 2 week time frame 90 some villages out of the thousands that are on the frontline isnt too bad of a loss. I have no excuse for why our nobles are so low, might have something to do with coordination during a merge but that surely is not the only reason.
Let the war play itself out, things may change or they may not. But both tribes are in for the long haul. That I can assure you. :icon_wink:
This point didn't help your argument at all. This just said that =HRV= really just half-assed it.ok, if you consider myself (sporadically), axl at first, warri0r and a few others as warring a tribe 3x there size, you have some complex issues to deal with.
I can't speak for former ~LS~, but I can speak for former HRV...
Look at the map...how many HRV-ians actually relocated to start a front against Dust?
Answer: not many, maybe 5 or 6 if that.
He did actually represent them correctly. It's not his fault that =HRV= decided not to use its full force when it easily could have.Point being, you need to represent your facts correctly if you're going to show them in a light which makes us look bad.
So now the status has changed back again? At the beginning of our war, it seemed that we saw a lot of excuses from LSHRV saying that their being at war with Dust was why we jumped out to an early lead.HRV was NOT at war with Dust...not as a whole.
Again, this was LSHRV making a big deal about how they couldn't use all their support to stack the line against C2.The support that was supposedly on the front against Dust, consisted of some players, not the entire tribe. I was supporting myself entirely down there, with the exception of some emergency temporary help from a few peeps here and there.
And? It seems that you just tacked this little tid-bit onto the end of your paragraph, as it really doesn't do anything to go with or against your argument.The front against Dust was not even in the same realm as what is engulfed in the c² front.
There's a difference between an offensive and a defensive war you know. And honestly, its not the village number that we really want to see go down, its the active player number. We are smart enough to know that even if LSHRV suddenly went barb and all the villages were mysteriously cleared, it would still take several months just to eat them all. Now, we are fighting against some active players, and even the inactive ones have troops in their villages for the most part. So from our viewpoint, its easier to win this war by taking out your active players rather than taking the villages. After all, the total villages may stay the same, but if a player goes inactive, you can't use their villages, can you?Think about what you are actually saying...Dust held off a tribe almost 6 times their size, for how ever many months you quoted. C² is having zero luck in making that tribes (LSHRV) village count go into the negative, meaning we are constantly replacing lost villages with 1-2 new ones, if not more at some point.
This is true. After all, they did manage to take more Axl villages than we have so far.If you break down your erronious speech, I'd say that former Dust is the tribe to watch out for, wouldnt you?
Again, we are only making statements based upon what LSHRV members themselves have said in the past.Get off the whole LSHRV warring Dust part, the entire tribe was not warring, only a handful.
We never said that's why you are losing. When the merge was first announced, both LSHRV and Dust members seemed to think that it'd turn the tide of the war. It hasn't. Now members of both tribes are saying its because the merge hasn't been completed yet. We are saying that we don't think it'll matter anyways. It's not as if Dust members can't send attacks or support just because they aren't in LSHRV.The merger has nothing to do with why we are losing...C² has 4000 more villages, and higher activity, pretty simple.
ok, if you consider myself (sporadically), axl at first, warri0r and a few others as warring a tribe 3x there size, you have some complex issues to deal with.
I can't speak for former ~LS~, but I can speak for former HRV...
Look at the map...how many HRV-ians actually relocated to start a front against Dust?
Answer: not many, maybe 5 or 6 if that.
Point being, you need to represent your facts correctly if you're going to show them in a light which makes us look bad.
HRV was NOT at war with Dust...not as a whole. The support that was supposedly on the front against Dust, consisted of some players, not the entire tribe. I was supporting myself entirely down there, with the exception of some emergency temporary help from a few peeps here and there. The front against Dust was not even in the same realm as what is engulfed in the c² front.
Think about what you are actually saying...Dust held off a tribe almost 6 times their size, for how ever many months you quoted. C² is having zero luck in making that tribes (LSHRV) village count go into the negative, meaning we are constantly replacing lost villages with 1-2 new ones, if not more at some point.
If you break down your erronious speech, I'd say that former Dust is the tribe to watch out for, wouldnt you?
Get off the whole LSHRV warring Dust part, the entire tribe was not warring, only a handful.
The merger has nothing to do with why we are losing...C² has 4000 more villages, and higher activity, pretty simple.
This point didn't help your argument at all. This just said that =HRV= really just half-assed it.
We didn't half ass it, it wasn't an entire tribal ambition...see inactivity
He did actually represent them correctly. It's not his fault that =HRV= decided not to use its full force when it easily could have.
See inactivity response
So now the status has changed back again? At the beginning of our war, it seemed that we saw a lot of excuses from LSHRV saying that their being at war with Dust was why we jumped out to an early lead.
Yeah, that is a little bit far fetched on whomever said thats part. Maybe in a sense that some much needed support had to be withdrawn and then resent, but saying that was the reason C² jumped to an early lead is not true. You jumped to an early lead because you caught us off guard and gave us half a days notice before attacks started landing...Plus see the inactivity response again, it plays a vital role in the scheme of things.
Again, this was LSHRV making a big deal about how they couldn't use all their support to stack the line against C2.
Well, it wasn't all of our support, but it WAS support...I'd guess maybe an 1/8th of what the entire tribe has. Mainly if someone on the Dust front posted needing support, players would donate a little. We are a smaller tribe, we need all the support we can get...so 100D of support may not be much in the big picture, but it was alot to us. 100D here, 100D there...it does add up. I have no idea how much was actually sent, but I had to 99% entirely support myself, thats how inactive the tribe was.
And? It seems that you just tacked this little tid-bit onto the end of your paragraph, as it really doesn't do anything to go with or against your argument.
I was speaking support wise...a front vs a full war (C²) against a front vsa tribe we were casually 'sparring' :icon_cool: not the same...
There's a difference between an offensive and a defensive war you know. And honestly, its not the village number that we really want to see go down, its the active player number. We are smart enough to know that even if LSHRV suddenly went barb and all the villages were mysteriously cleared, it would still take several months just to eat them all. Now, we are fighting against some active players, and even the inactive ones have troops in their villages for the most part. So from our viewpoint, its easier to win this war by taking out your active players rather than taking the villages. After all, the total villages may stay the same, but if a player goes inactive, you can't use their villages, can you?
Neither can C²...as we have compiled a deep intel list of which of your accounts are sat, co-played, etc., etc. However, it doesn't do us much good if we can't capitalize, now does it.
Like the first offensive we launched against C²...we cleared alot of villages...the only players who put up any really serious stackage were adam and fatih at the time...but due to our inactivity we didn't really capture anywhere near the amount of vills we cleared.
This is true. After all, they did manage to take more Axl villages than we have so far.
It's easy to take a vill when the sitter gets lazy and forgets to log in while someone is on a family vacation...
Again, we are only making statements based upon what LSHRV members themselves have said in the past.
I know, but I've stated this several times before...it was not a full tribe effort
We never said that's why you are losing. When the merge was first announced, both LSHRV and Dust members seemed to think that it'd turn the tide of the war. It hasn't. Now members of both tribes are saying its because the merge hasn't been completed yet. We are saying that we don't think it'll matter anyways. It's not as if Dust members can't send attacks or support just because they aren't in LSHRV.
This is true...its just irritating to keep reading the same responses. If I wanted to hear a broken record, it sure wouldn't be to the tune of 'but it's been two weeks'
I feel so ignored :icon_cry:.
The entire point of this Dust vs. LSHRV discussion is that Dust did fight a real war. If you're telling me they didn't, I will stare at you open-mouthed with an expression of astonishment...well, at my screen.
What surprises me about this discussion is not so much the content (which isn't new), but the role that is being assigned to Sunny in it:
"the ex-sunny players get their feet wet in a real war"-->true
"the entire tribe was not warring, only a handful"-->true
"It's easy to take a vill when the sitter gets lazy and forgets to log in"--Sad, but true
Do you honestly think axl could hold vills against you guys and then all of a sudden fall to players with a 1/16th of your guys skill level? Get friggin real bro.:icon_rolleyes:
For some odd reason, LSHRV members are trying to argue the Sunny war was just casual expansion, which means A) the "two fronts" excuse has no merit, and B) Sunny members only survived because LSHRV didn't try hard. You'd look a lot better by pointing out that you had two serious fronts, and I appreciate it that you're doing my work for me by making that excuse unusable :icon_wink:
You guys should change your tribe name to HH² (hard headed)...you listen like a 12 year old school girl texting on her phone...(that means not very well)
No matter what you want the truth to be, we were not at a full tribal war with Dust. I'm not going to delve into exact figures, but when I took over this account, the activity level was bad. And the front was still a front for the players down there attacking Dust, with at least some form of regularity...support is still support, even if its not on a massive scale as whats on your guys front.
However, the truly baffling part is that every single LSHRV comment today was aimed at diminishing Sunny's achievement in fighting off two much bigger tribes for most of their existance. I don't care how many members relocated, or how much support was moved: Sunny was gangbanged by two much bigger tribes, and survived.
Gangbanged...lol!!!:lol::icon_surprised::lol::icon_surprised::icon_rolleyes::icon_surprised::lol::icon_surprised:
Quote of the year right there homey. They would like to think they were gangbanged, to make themselves look better, but we all know the truth over here. A few members from HRV and probably a few members from LS...end of story, theres your 'gangbang':lol:
Look at there lost villages under their tribal file, see exactly how many different HRV and LS players actually conquered their vills...Oh yeah buddy, gang bang city :icon_rolleyes:
Even if the effort wasn't the same as it would be in a war with a front of 5 Ks, surviving and (in the end) actually turning things around is an admirable achievement. Heck, even if it wasn't, these guys are now working hard and putting themselves at risk to save your asses.
Yeah, cuz a few players half heartedly attacking is something that needs to be a survivable event...:lol: eyes wide shut arent they?
How about having a sliver of admiration, gratitude and respect for that?
How about declaring with a sliver of admiration and respect and not be cowards attacking an inactive tribe and giving them a half days notice before attacks landed, all the while pre stacking fronts for the spectacular event...aaannnddd telling us sweet nothings by saying you want a good clean fun war...:icon_rolleyes:
Practice what you preach
(Yes, I realise that LSHRV putting Sunny down helps my tribe in the long run, but geez...enough is enough.)
Sometimes the truth hurts, we all know that 75% of Dust was made up of young inexperienced players who know almost nothing about playing this game. You guys know as well as we do that them doing anything for us wasn't going to make a dramatic difference. The real difference is you keep using misinformation and the former statement to try to make LSHRV look bad and former Dust players resent us and think more about their decision.
I think that about sums things up, for the 90th time...
No matter what you want the truth to be, we were not at a full tribal war with Dust. I'm not going to delve into exact figures, but when I took over this account, the activity level was bad. And the front was still a front for the players down there attacking Dust, with at least some form of regularity...support is still support, even if its not on a massive scale as whats on your guys front.
c2 also knew that most of our players close to their border have their troops supporting newly aquired villages in Dust area, more then 100 hours away from thweir home,24 or 48 hours wait for attacks after they canceled alliance would be common sense.
Dude...real war? Are you honestly trying to convince yourself that was a real war?
You are also forgetting one very important key factor. HRV had no idea C² was going to pull the wammy they did, so while most members were busy nobling up barbs (including myself) others had no barbs to noble so they went after Dust.
We didn't half ass it, it wasn't an entire tribal ambition...see inactivity
So, was the C²-CND thing a real war? Some called it a bloody war, some said skirmish and others said border differences.
So would any member of C² be offended if I said that thing they had was nothing?
You being oblivious to the facts is not as funny as it is making you look ignorant to the truth.
Yeah, we had a real war alright...those three vills I took directly beside ende got attacked maybe 3 times in a 2-3 month period...bloody, bloody, bloody...let me tell ya.:icon_rolleyes:
Those vills I took in K88, to start my front to attack Dust with...I can't recall anything other than a few scout attacks in the months they were there. Oh yeah, its heating up now...:icon_rolleyes:
Sezz88, Omegaxtreme (before going barb) and maybe one other were in a constant back and forth with closeby players from Dust, thats about it. Even Warri0r, who was constantly attacking them didn't get much retaliation...call in the bomb squad folks, I think things are about to go boom...:icon_rolleyes: I don't think any of us could stand the spear sword attacks much longer...and the players that sent 4 nobles attached to a spear nuke. :icon_rolleyes::icon_rolleyes::icon_rolleyes:
If that was a war, the hippos gangbang was nothing more than a mosquito bite and hippos only lost because the quit after two days and only 1 real tribe was attacking them and only four nukes landed. They were all scared noobs and couldnt take the heat...thats how that little deal played out, honest.
Zvone quote was taken from C²vLSHRV thread....seems that what we have here is a failure to communicate
Yes, it was a real war by definition. Two tribes continuously fighting with nukes and support. Perhaps it began as a border skirmish, but it became a real war.
Perhaps for HRV, it wasn't a real war. But for Dust, it was.
For them, it was a real war. Not for you.
No offense orel, but every single CND player i've spoken with did not consider CND-C2 a war. Maybe in the eyes of C2 it was ?
Read the bold to yourselves, and know why I laughed. Sunny fought a tribe 3x their size for 10 months without losing, and some would say that the tribe they fought was also "3x as skilled"...so a real war isn't qualified as that?
The definition of War is misinterpreted in my way of Seeing a war is it is War should be understood as an actual, intentional and widespread armed conflict between political(Tribes ^^) communities. Thus, fisticuffs between individual persons do not count as a war, nor does a gang fight(As Stated by gammy1- axl and Dust war). War is a phenomenon which occurs only between political communities like C² VS LSHRV or C² VS CND where the whole tribe participated ask those player just forget about inactive's excuse there where a lot in each tribe so maybe that's the reason some didn't felt like that >_<.
So i define different variety's of war now. Classical war is international war, a war between different Tribes/States, like the two World Wars(Not happened in W16). But just as frequent is war within a state between rival groups or Members vs members a Civil war(Qoffee you know where it goes).