SG publicly posts a bunch of lies, I'm not allowed to post the truth? That's one heck of a racket you've got going there :lol:
EDIT: P.S. It's kind of a shame. Until SG started blindly belittling a large number of players (including some of her own tribemates and allies), this was was being fought pretty respectful aside from the occasional incident. I guess SG thinks she'll get more activity out of some people if she makes it more negative. Ah well, so be it.
I realise that you're now SG's attack dog on the forum. That's fine, good for you, and congrats on being the Sauroni of the north. Heck, I never even knew SG was a ventriloquist. Next time you have an original thought you want to discuss rather than just blindly toting the company line, count me in....but for now, I'm done arguing with the help.
I called her a blatant liar to her face. You may not like the message, but you can hardly argue I'm being sneaky about it :icon_razz:
Alright, whoa. Please. The only "negativity" I am seeing here is all originating from one source; the man quoted. "Blatant liar?" "attack dog?" No "original thought?" "the help?" (as in socially inferior) and so much more! Rather rough and demeaning language from somone professing to be "pretty respectful." For a person who claims the moral highground, these remarks directed at Haza are dehumanizing and I believe that is uncalled for and out of line.
you still say I'm making assumptions? :icon_rolleyes:
Yes, MK, quite a few. The tragedy here is you fail to see or acknowledge the error of your assumptions. As it appears to me, once you have made an assumption, embelished it, and repeated it constantly, you convince yourself it was the original truth. It seems from my viewpoint, perhaps, that you fuel your own hatred wholecloth from the fabric of your imagination. In superiority, you feel justified in treating others as substandard persons. I implore you to step back from this path before it permanently changes the man of good character that I used to respect.
Before this post, I have gone out of my way to avoid naming personal names when discussing any behavior that
might be looked at as unsavory by the reader. Yes, I have posted some quotes... but only to define the topic of discussion, and
not to attack the integrity of the poster. I have addressed players by name that I wanted to acknowledge for good things. I have not intentionally addressed any comments potentially viewed as bad things to a single person previously in this thread. But now, I feel I must do so after MichielK's personal debasement of Haza. Lets look at a just a few of the ways in which he propogates these embelishments and assumptions:
SG's reply made it clear that my information on Spank was far more solid than hers. After all, if her best explanation was "oh, he forgot to set a sitter", that makes it clear to me that she had no idea what Spank felt about her, and all but eliminates any chance that the two of them talked it out and reconciled. Given that new information, I felt comfortable about being more confident about my "speculation".
Okay... lets look at this example first. You put fabricated words in my mouth. You write that I said, "he forgot to set a sitter." Not once did I ever say such a thing. Re-read it. From THAT
false assumption on your part, your next cognitive leap is that you can "
all but eliminate any chance" that Bob (Spank) and I ever talked things out, or that I had any idea what he felt about me. Thats a rather monumental escalation in clarity on your part, based on your 'confident speculation,' as you say.
Michiel... you have no difinitive knowledge, nor have you asked. You speculated. You seem to have some mystical prescience that empowers you to see and know all, and then proclaim it as truth, and therefore it must be, amen! And, the next thing you know... others on the forum start quoting you, and claiming it as truth, and it must be, because YOU said it! :icon_rolleyes:
Seagryfn insists that he forgot to set a sitter
Again, false. Go back to your source. The source for this comment was MichielK saying that Seagryfn says...
However, unlike Michiel, I would not banty the term "liar" about. Instead, I would instead say that Michiel seems to have mis-remembered facts, then misrepresented them. Perhaps it was not intentional at first, but, after getting it wrong, he and others are convinced it must be true from then on, and thus propigate the falsehood. :icon_eek: Lets look at another instance:
she started and completed the entire "Player versus Player" tournament, which was...wait for it...a whole series of threads aimed at discussing stats to determine which player was superior.
Utterly false
and misrepresentational. The entire idea
and concept belonged to u6s5l. He said that he adopted the idea from the forums of another world. He started the contest. He got many people, especially Jurasu, excited and eager to participate. I joined only at the 11th hour so that we would reach the quota of total players that u6s5l. wanted to partake. u6s5l. started the tournament a week later; he determined all the original match ups. And then... just as fast, he lost all desire to be involved and gave up:
u6s5l. on 2009,October 5th, 04:15 wrote:
Someone else run this, I have no time nor will to run such a tourney atm. I shouldn't have started it. I only volunteered to take over after u6s5l. abandoned the contest and then
only if no one objected. People were having fun, and getting involved, and I did not desire to see them let down and disappointed.
Once again, MichielK, you have mis-remembered facts, then misrepresented them, then assume you are perfectly correct. And, you seem to be adding negativity to the mere discussion of it! Your words... "tournament, which was...
wait for it...a whole series of
threads aimed at discussing stats to determine which player was superior."
I'm not sure what "
wait for it" was thrown in there for? Maybe because there was no dramatic theme-music soundtrack in the background going
Duh-duh-DAH prehaps? :lol:
But, you seem to be using melodrama, like a saleman trying to make a bogus product pitch, that somehow I must enjoy and advocate discussing stats to determine player superiority. Again, a
false assumption on your part, based completely on "facts" that you misremembered, that have apparently provided you with a divine epiphany into my "apparent" truest desires. :icon_neutral:
Based on that completely false recollection of yours, let us see what OTHER "factual" conclusions you leapt to?
You do realise that you're talking about someone with nearly as many forum posts as me, right? She posted both the declaration on C² and the declaration on PnX, so clearly she is no stranger to PnP. Heck, she started and completed the entire "Player versus Player" tournament, which was...wait for it...a whole series of threads aimed at discussing stats to determine which player was superior. She is one of the best known PnP posters in this world, and for her to suddenly have a change of heart about this seems awfully convenient.
I may have "nearly" as many forum posts as you, and from that you conclude that I support discussing stats to determine which player was superior? Lets NOT assume and actually LOOK at those forum posts then...
OVER HALF are in the "General" section of the Tribalwars forums. In the topics on "Questions" "Bug Reports" "In game Moderation Discussion." I post answers to players who need help to play the game, advice to make their playing experience better, to help hurdle problems they encounter and to steer them clear of rules breaches. I have ALSO posted in the "Community" forums, and visit worlds that I moderate in game. I post where ever people are frustrated and confused, angry and looking for solutions. I post to offer a hand up to a player who is down. I post to stand up for a player who is wrongfully tyrannized. I do
not post with a fervent yearning to prove that some statistical superiority elevates me a greater human being than people who aren't on my side. I believe that courage comes from the heart, and from doing what you enjoy, and from never losing sight of your goals. I personally hold true that the real winners (in lfe and in games) are the players who keep on playing and don't give up.
Seagryfn,
I find it odd that you have never mentioned this aversion to discussing stats until recently. Nearly 700 posts on the forum, and it never came up until the last few. I wonder why that is...surely it has nothing to do with the fact that village totals are becoming the stat of choice, and that stat indicates rather severe problems in your tribe. Nah, that can't be it! :icon_razz:
If people want to discuss the stats, let them discuss the stats. No rules are broken, nobody's getting hurt, and I'm sure you'd have no problem with it if the situation was reversed and you were the healthily growing tribe while we were the ones losing members left and right. Instead, you've lost nearly a quarter of your members since the war was announced, including many large, active and skilled players, and your claim that the other side is having the same problems is a bald-faced lie. Nobody has problems that severe.
Any stats can be twisted to support any argument the speaker cares to make. This data (below) was captured at the moment C² declared war on Plight:
Tribalwars Tribe Profile: Complete Carnage, Members: 76
Tribalwars Tribe Profile: Euthanasia, Members: 57
Tribalwars Tribe Profile: Semper Fidelis, Members: 60
And,
TODAY:
C² Members: 65 (8 left, 3 went gray) Net loss 11 members
Plight Members: 53 (4 left, 2 went gray, 2 joined) Net loss 4 members
SF Members: 52 (10 left, 2 went gray, 4 joined) Net loss 8 members
"you've lost nearly a quarter of your members since the war was announced"
Hey, Michiel... if I give you $4, would you give me $13 change back? :lol:
What I *DO* ask is, WHERE I said people should
not post stats?? I beleive that I have said the following:
*meh* Any stats can be twisted to support any argument the speaker cares to make. As I said earlier, gossipwhores always win and cannot be beaten. That does not make an argument representational of the whole picture, even if the facts presented are "true."
The point is... numbers are numbers. The REAL winners are the players who keep on playing and don't give up.)
:lol: What is important is that what you choose to do is what makes you happy, and don't try to compete with what you are not, you will only waste your time.
Now, I am sure there are plenty of people who will "argue" my *opinion.* Knock your bad selves out if that is what makes you happy; that is what you are here for afterall.
So, alexhol... don't get angry trying to compete with gossipwhores. You cannot win and you will only waste your time.
Just find what you like to do and enjoy yourself doing it.
If you are happy posting stats AND fighting, then, posts stats AND fight!! :icon_rolleyes: My comment was addressed to persons who got
angry (the opposite of happy) playing a game they could easily walk away from in favor of something more enjoyable. Where did I "blindly belittle a large number of players" by demanding that people who can talk are not respectible fighters? Or people who can fight are not respectable talkers? Or people who choose not to partake in the war(s) at all are forbidden to enjoy themselves?
I said, "What is important is that what you choose to do is what makes you happy," and regardless of what you can imagine and fabricate to replace those words with, I said what I meant and I meant what I said.
Behind her back? I'm pretty sure I called her a blatant liar to her face. You may not like the message, but you can hardly argue I'm being sneaky about it :icon_razz:
:icon_redface: How embarassing. Imaginary "facts" come into being, then support your arguements; you come to actually believe in them yourself, and then provide a sermon to the assembled public of W16 wherin you delude others into believing that character attacks are acceptible if supported by "acquired" facts? :icon_sad:
Michiel, it seems (in my personal opinion) that there are some personal issues clouding objectivity here. I believe that your health and mental state would improve from stepping back and by refraining from personal integrity attacks. I would also ask that you not employ dehumanizing remarks against others. Call me what you feel you must... I'm a big girl and I've been through worse than most can even imagine dishing out, but please don't denegrate Haza or anyone else. I publically thank you in advance, hoping that respect and civility will once again return to these forums.
~ Seagryfn