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As many of you are well aware, relations between GLOW and ~P~/~N~ are becoming increasingly fragile. However, the sequence of events leading to the fragile state seems to be in question. My intent with this post is to clarify the current situation, and air out past transgressions and possible future solutions. It may be that I'm entirely at fault for this ordeal, but I don't believe that to be the case. Since their leadership is talking in circles (one says something while another does something else), I'll let you guys offer advice/wisdom/whatever else you may have to add on the topic.
Some introductory facts:
1. There have never been any conflicts between our family and GLOW.
2. It's my understanding that around a month ago there were talks of future relations, but nothing came of them.
3. Leadership had been fairly amiable.
GLOW's Propaganda and Poaching Campaign
ThePrinceOfDarkness began by messaging family members.
[Spoil]
Generally, a family member would respond. I'm sure some of the responses were of genuine interest. Others feigned interest. Two others were responded to by me, because I happened to be sitting their accounts at the time. This message was generally followed up with:
[spoil]
Of course, none of our members had a clue about things not going well--because it was a blatant lie lol. There have been no problems in our tribe for several weeks. There was an issue almost a month ago, which I've referenced in another portion of the forum, but it was one that was taken care of in less than 24 hours and the tribe was immediately notified by circ, so that they were all on the same page.
As I became aware that this was a pattern and not a singular occurrence, I messaged him:
[spoil]
GLOW Hits Paydirt
Their first conversion occurs, confirming all previous thoughts; Dude0000579 converts.
The following is my conversation with Dude minutes after he moved:
[spoil]
As you can see, the warning/advice was given and accepted. The only reason a member in his location would leave our tribe is because he wants villages that are in our tribe. I've seen it occur many other times. He has no other incentive to leave.
I immediately mailed the GLOW duke:
[spoil]
Please don't get off topic in the thread about Pocket Aces. I'm more than willing to have another thread about that decision. That said, his choice of "malice" is interesting. In the legal field, we generally no longer use the term malice because it's incredibly hard to define. Whereas it is a apparent they are poaching our members, and making moves in an adverse manner to our interests, it's clear that they are not on our side. Whether there is "malice" seems to be unimportant. I recognize the attempt at seeding a tribe--Dude is a prime example. So is PocketAces, for that matter.
Fast Forward to Today:
In utter n00b fashion, GLOW leadership mailed every single member of our family (as far as I can tell):
[spoil]
This message made several things clear to me:
1. While GLOW might not want to engage in actual warfare with our family, it would prefer to attempt to disrupt the tribe from the inside out. A tactic that will fail.
2. GLOW has no respect for our tribe's leadership and/or diplomats.
After this, I was notified that Dude was messaging members and attempting to get them to flip. Quite the sneaky tactic. It's clear what the intentions are, but GLOW prefers to play it dumb--something that doesn't work on me.
Family Options:
1. Take dude out.
2. Let GLOW continue doing what they are doing. Let members leave freely. Take no action.
It's clear to me that #2 is not an option, even if it means hitting villages that are stacked. #1 is the only sensible solution. It sends a message to anybody else considering leaving that there are repercussions to defections. Dude's villages are at our core. Any potential expansion would require him to take our villages or DOA's villages--his intent when leaving.
The other solution:
GLOW could:
1. stop their attempts to poach our players.
2. stop attempting to deceive our tribe members.
3. Remove Dude from their tribe.
4. Actually attempt reasonable diplomatic relations. Seeding a tribe is obviously preparation for war.
5. Turn their focus on the real threat: TribeWhoMustNotBeNamedBecauseICantEverGetItRight. Especially as they are wasting their nukes on the player we are currently using to seed them, and have lost quite a few defensive troops from PocketAces attacks. There has never been a better opportunity for GLOW to take on #1 in their area. You/they (as many of you reading this will be of that tribe), are easily the favorites to win this world. If we keep doing stupid shit like this--and you continue your attempts to undermine our tribes, we will flat out hand them the victory for the SE corner.
Interested in your thoughts,
Huskerst0rm
Alias since 66.
Some introductory facts:
1. There have never been any conflicts between our family and GLOW.
2. It's my understanding that around a month ago there were talks of future relations, but nothing came of them.
3. Leadership had been fairly amiable.
GLOW's Propaganda and Poaching Campaign
ThePrinceOfDarkness began by messaging family members.
[Spoil]
[/Spoil]
Generally, a family member would respond. I'm sure some of the responses were of genuine interest. Others feigned interest. Two others were responded to by me, because I happened to be sitting their accounts at the time. This message was generally followed up with:
[spoil]
[/spoil]
Of course, none of our members had a clue about things not going well--because it was a blatant lie lol. There have been no problems in our tribe for several weeks. There was an issue almost a month ago, which I've referenced in another portion of the forum, but it was one that was taken care of in less than 24 hours and the tribe was immediately notified by circ, so that they were all on the same page.
As I became aware that this was a pattern and not a singular occurrence, I messaged him:
[spoil]
[/spoil]
GLOW Hits Paydirt
Their first conversion occurs, confirming all previous thoughts; Dude0000579 converts.
The following is my conversation with Dude minutes after he moved:
[spoil]
[/spoil].
As you can see, the warning/advice was given and accepted. The only reason a member in his location would leave our tribe is because he wants villages that are in our tribe. I've seen it occur many other times. He has no other incentive to leave.
I immediately mailed the GLOW duke:
[spoil]
[/spoil]
Please don't get off topic in the thread about Pocket Aces. I'm more than willing to have another thread about that decision. That said, his choice of "malice" is interesting. In the legal field, we generally no longer use the term malice because it's incredibly hard to define. Whereas it is a apparent they are poaching our members, and making moves in an adverse manner to our interests, it's clear that they are not on our side. Whether there is "malice" seems to be unimportant. I recognize the attempt at seeding a tribe--Dude is a prime example. So is PocketAces, for that matter.
Fast Forward to Today:
In utter n00b fashion, GLOW leadership mailed every single member of our family (as far as I can tell):
[spoil]
[/spoil]
This message made several things clear to me:
1. While GLOW might not want to engage in actual warfare with our family, it would prefer to attempt to disrupt the tribe from the inside out. A tactic that will fail.
2. GLOW has no respect for our tribe's leadership and/or diplomats.
After this, I was notified that Dude was messaging members and attempting to get them to flip. Quite the sneaky tactic. It's clear what the intentions are, but GLOW prefers to play it dumb--something that doesn't work on me.
Family Options:
1. Take dude out.
2. Let GLOW continue doing what they are doing. Let members leave freely. Take no action.
It's clear to me that #2 is not an option, even if it means hitting villages that are stacked. #1 is the only sensible solution. It sends a message to anybody else considering leaving that there are repercussions to defections. Dude's villages are at our core. Any potential expansion would require him to take our villages or DOA's villages--his intent when leaving.
The other solution:
GLOW could:
1. stop their attempts to poach our players.
2. stop attempting to deceive our tribe members.
3. Remove Dude from their tribe.
4. Actually attempt reasonable diplomatic relations. Seeding a tribe is obviously preparation for war.
5. Turn their focus on the real threat: TribeWhoMustNotBeNamedBecauseICantEverGetItRight. Especially as they are wasting their nukes on the player we are currently using to seed them, and have lost quite a few defensive troops from PocketAces attacks. There has never been a better opportunity for GLOW to take on #1 in their area. You/they (as many of you reading this will be of that tribe), are easily the favorites to win this world. If we keep doing stupid shit like this--and you continue your attempts to undermine our tribes, we will flat out hand them the victory for the SE corner.
Interested in your thoughts,
Huskerst0rm
Alias since 66.
And I don't see anything incorrect, it's fine. 