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It seems that 90% of the people on here are commenting on the OBEY/VAPE vs Escape/WET war without knowing any of the facts. If you disagree with our decision then that's fine, but at least know our reasoning before making your mind up. Here's why we chose Obey-
Past Experiences
As many of you know, TIP (the OG Vape) were part of ‘Tri-Force’ with JEDI and Legion. Tri-Force ended when we were betrayed by JEDI and Legion who were organising an op on us behind our backs in an attempt to start a war. We were obviously reluctant to enter into Tri-Force 2.0, especially when many of the players in Escape and WET were the same people in JEDI and Legion.
It’s not just this world though, rarely can a coalition as large as this one cooperate effectively when there are so many members. Tri-Force 2.0 would have over 130 members between WET, Vape and Escape. How can you coordinate ops with that many players, especially when you factor in the ‘chop and change’ recruitment strategy of WET and Escape, where they have new members all the time and there is no stability?
Tribe Ability
The abilities of WET and Escape were a bit factor in our decision. With WET, their mass recruiting is a big problem. Related to my first point, how are WET going to be able to coordinate with each other if the roster is changing every day? 260 tribe changes between them and their academy is a joke, and the internal issues this causes would then become Vape’s issue too. Many of them are ex-Jedi members, and Jedi collapsed at the first sight of trouble, as most tribes who use this recruitment strategy do. Let’s not forget that several of the biggest WET players recently broke off from WET, saying that over 90% of the membership can’t time an attack correctly and basically saying how bad the members and leadership are. Whilst they came back in the end, it still highlights major internal issues in WET.
With Escape, it's concerning when It Will All Be Mine is complaining about his members and talking his tribe down. If he isn’t confident in his tribe, how can we? Again, too many tribe changes will cause problems down the line. I firmly believe that one of the most important aspects of a tribe is the relationship your members have with each other. Having a tight knit tribe makes your members more willing to risk their troops to help out a fellow tribe mate in need. Whereas when the roster is changing every day, members are reluctant to sacrifice their growth for somebody they've never spoken to.
Diplomatic Relations with WET and Escape
Dealing with WET and Escape diplomatically has been a nightmare. They’ve claimed that we’ve been ignoring their messages and I disagree with this. Often we were pushed into rushing a major decision instead of having time to evaluate our options. We have well over 1000 messages with IWABM on TW mails, along with the shared council forum with WET and the coalition skype chat, I resent the accusation that we were too slow to reply to them.
There’s so many other examples of Escape and WET making diplomacy difficult, but I’ll list them off as I don’t want to be here all day
- We wanted to help WET with the war on Jedi and told them to involve us. They never communicated anything with us, making it impossible to coordinate an op with them. After the war they then began complaining we refused to help them.
- After the JEDI war, we recruited (with permission from WET) a couple of ex-Jedi members and made an agreement not to mass recruit any of them. WET then accused us of breaking the agreement because we recruited those members and then began to mass recruit the Jedi members.
- WET aggressively nobling into our core, an obvious attempt to deliberately cause conflict.
- We received intel that WET was planning a war on us. IWABM was then blaming us for not wanting to resolve our issues with WET. Why would be want to align with a tribe that is planning a war on us? IWABM was constantly blaming and patronising us. If ever we didn’t do what he wanted he would get mad and it made things uncomfortable.
- WET stealing our villages when we had a NAP with them, and then refusing to give them back, using the excuse that they had a leadership change so therefore they didn’t need to give them back. When we raised this issue with them we were instantly shot down by WET and Escape and accused of trying to cause problems, and were made to feel like the unreasonable ones. It often felt like Escape and WET vs VAPE, and raised concerns that we’d get betrayed in the future.
Many have accused us of trying to choose the easy option, which is stupid when you look at the stats that I have summarised below.
Doesn’t look one sided as everyone is claiming.
I've been arguing quite a bit since this all came out, and that's because it's frustrating when everyone is criticising our decision when they don't actually know much about the situation. If you've read all this and still think I've made the wrong decision, then that's fine, but at least now you can actually have an informed opinion on this topic.
Past Experiences
As many of you know, TIP (the OG Vape) were part of ‘Tri-Force’ with JEDI and Legion. Tri-Force ended when we were betrayed by JEDI and Legion who were organising an op on us behind our backs in an attempt to start a war. We were obviously reluctant to enter into Tri-Force 2.0, especially when many of the players in Escape and WET were the same people in JEDI and Legion.
It’s not just this world though, rarely can a coalition as large as this one cooperate effectively when there are so many members. Tri-Force 2.0 would have over 130 members between WET, Vape and Escape. How can you coordinate ops with that many players, especially when you factor in the ‘chop and change’ recruitment strategy of WET and Escape, where they have new members all the time and there is no stability?
Tribe Ability
The abilities of WET and Escape were a bit factor in our decision. With WET, their mass recruiting is a big problem. Related to my first point, how are WET going to be able to coordinate with each other if the roster is changing every day? 260 tribe changes between them and their academy is a joke, and the internal issues this causes would then become Vape’s issue too. Many of them are ex-Jedi members, and Jedi collapsed at the first sight of trouble, as most tribes who use this recruitment strategy do. Let’s not forget that several of the biggest WET players recently broke off from WET, saying that over 90% of the membership can’t time an attack correctly and basically saying how bad the members and leadership are. Whilst they came back in the end, it still highlights major internal issues in WET.
With Escape, it's concerning when It Will All Be Mine is complaining about his members and talking his tribe down. If he isn’t confident in his tribe, how can we? Again, too many tribe changes will cause problems down the line. I firmly believe that one of the most important aspects of a tribe is the relationship your members have with each other. Having a tight knit tribe makes your members more willing to risk their troops to help out a fellow tribe mate in need. Whereas when the roster is changing every day, members are reluctant to sacrifice their growth for somebody they've never spoken to.
Diplomatic Relations with WET and Escape
Dealing with WET and Escape diplomatically has been a nightmare. They’ve claimed that we’ve been ignoring their messages and I disagree with this. Often we were pushed into rushing a major decision instead of having time to evaluate our options. We have well over 1000 messages with IWABM on TW mails, along with the shared council forum with WET and the coalition skype chat, I resent the accusation that we were too slow to reply to them.
There’s so many other examples of Escape and WET making diplomacy difficult, but I’ll list them off as I don’t want to be here all day
- We wanted to help WET with the war on Jedi and told them to involve us. They never communicated anything with us, making it impossible to coordinate an op with them. After the war they then began complaining we refused to help them.
- After the JEDI war, we recruited (with permission from WET) a couple of ex-Jedi members and made an agreement not to mass recruit any of them. WET then accused us of breaking the agreement because we recruited those members and then began to mass recruit the Jedi members.
- WET aggressively nobling into our core, an obvious attempt to deliberately cause conflict.
- We received intel that WET was planning a war on us. IWABM was then blaming us for not wanting to resolve our issues with WET. Why would be want to align with a tribe that is planning a war on us? IWABM was constantly blaming and patronising us. If ever we didn’t do what he wanted he would get mad and it made things uncomfortable.
- WET stealing our villages when we had a NAP with them, and then refusing to give them back, using the excuse that they had a leadership change so therefore they didn’t need to give them back. When we raised this issue with them we were instantly shot down by WET and Escape and accused of trying to cause problems, and were made to feel like the unreasonable ones. It often felt like Escape and WET vs VAPE, and raised concerns that we’d get betrayed in the future.
Many have accused us of trying to choose the easy option, which is stupid when you look at the stats that I have summarised below.
Doesn’t look one sided as everyone is claiming.
I've been arguing quite a bit since this all came out, and that's because it's frustrating when everyone is criticising our decision when they don't actually know much about the situation. If you've read all this and still think I've made the wrong decision, then that's fine, but at least now you can actually have an informed opinion on this topic.
