Oh my, i take a break from the forums for a while and we end up with pages and pages of posts. Who was it that said these forums were dead not so long ago?
A couple of clarifications for the masses:
1. the deal about Bronse/dota/bankdude was made not because we felt we owned them, but simply because phoenx wanted to avoid war with us at that time. And they were and still are smart enough to realise that recruiting our refugees = becoming our food. At that time phoenx was warring Die. and didn't want a war so they gave us a very good deal through Mark-E who was their diplomatic liaison with me. He agreed that K54 was ours and that the three players in question would hand over the villages there peacefully so we'd stop figuring them for refugees and they could go fight Die. on that front. Pajuno later claimed to be upset when he found out (you're not that good an actor Paj) not because the deal was bad at the time, but because by then Phoenx had grown, Die. was beaten and as a result Phoenx was more confident in what it could get from us. The line was not agreed to as i told Paj several times and as a result we were still going to take K54. I didn't mind their guys there to fight for it because it's more fun that way, which is what i also told him. So Paj: the deal with Mark-E was not in theory, it was in practice (hence the handing over of those 90+ villas to us). The line was neither in theory nor in practice ever a reality because our local players did not agree.
In short: it was not BD that got more greedy, it was Phoenx feeling confident enough to back up their greed.
As proven already by Mark, we gifted far more than we should have had too!! You lied to me saying mark had agreed to a deal... And he never did? Tsk tsk.
I always offered you war as a way out, baddie. You were the one that settled to make the deal instead of doing something about it. This is tw, war is and has always been the best option!! But you had your sites set elsewhere, and im not into blindsiding someone when they are busy. (BD v DN)
2. You accuse me of a "fixed" deal with Templarz/Vlad/Brob because i knew at the time we made the deal that they wanted in BD. However, they were not in BD and odds were against them at the time due to local vetos. Even if i had known though i don't see how it is relevant. Phoenx agreed to a deal, and as such Phoenx had to stick with it. You did not, which was the second time you broke your word.
And what deal did i break here? You and gicu love saying i broke two deals, but Kd 54 was the only deal we made? We agreed to skirmish Vlad, temps, and brob.. but then you recruited temps and vlad.. Which is fine. i will handle that in my own time.
But lets focus on the part you said i broke my word? what was the deal that i broke again? exactly what was the arrangement?.
Anyways, i was upset you guys hit brob, but then i handled it... Only to have temps pull the sitting when i boasted of blocking all the attacks.. and as turple pointed out, temps and uptown both blatantly lied about it.. Seconds after landing, uptown hits turple...
3. You are mad over Tempz convincing Brob to give his sit to him. Basically you are mad because a guy changed his will. This is - however - not a golddigging bimbo that walked away with the money of a millionaire. This is a lifelong companion and brother in arms who by then had changed tribes. Phoenx have had Brob in it's ranks for how long? And how active was he during that time? I'm sorry, but the whole Brob thing is laughable at best.
Of course its laughable to you. Your the ones that made out on a shady deal!! as is typical with anything to do with temps!! Guy is a known manipulator, and he weaseled the sitting from brob through constant cajoling and ass kissing!!
Face it baddie, you just admit to me publicly, ONCE, that temps is a truly dirty player and your proud to have him... and i will never bother mentioning his name in pnp again.
4. When Tempz joined us and you were so pissed off i told you i would not have BD interfere when you went after Tempz, as long as it was you or a couple of local guys only. You choose not to exercise that option and instead started attacking him at the same time as Loen, with your entire tribe. Your choice and i do not blame you for it
First off, why was i pissed off? maybe cause you didnt mail me until he was already IN YOUR TRIBE? what kind of friendly terms or respect is that?? Do you want the rest of the world to understand the full scope of your shadiness?
Second, just who do you think you are to dictate to me the terms of retribution i will repay upon temps? Just who died and made you boss? i know you took over top spot, but we never showed Ak or jp the respect of Emperor of w30.. what makes you special?
Third, loen is
two separate incidents!! BD attacked LoEN, theshearjoy made it apparent with his landing, and temps/vlad lost a ton of nukes. You expect everyone to bend over and hand you free villages?
Your in for a helluva surprise dude...
Get it thru your head, Temps was not a target until he jumped on turple. Soon as he did that, we opened fire as we had been at everyone that targeted us. Sorry we caught you flat footed, and you got bent out of shape about it..
Besides, just how many of those incomings were fake? I even told gicusan during his sitting that he was on a wild goose chase.. not my fault he did not google the saying to find out what i meant...
Either way, temps was the deciding point. as soon as you recruited him without mailing me, that was the final straw in BD diplomacy. there was no going back .
5. You recruited Turple, smack in the middle of us knowing full well that our guys wouldn't stop targetting him.
Did i complain about it? i responded to all attacks easy enough. The point was the lie perpetrated by Temps and Uptown. They denied wanting to target turple, and well... you guys say i broke my word over and over.. (all proven to be lies from your side) and now your main trait atm seems to be smoke screens and lies...
either way, i can find a quote from you that states its not the dukes decision, but the players decision as to which tribe they join and play for. Turple chose Phoenx, do something about it.
6. You recruited Fraseryeah, who was at that time attacking us, knowing full well that we were going to pursue him (as i told you so in skype). You said you were gonna make him apologise and point his nukes towards RAM, but then all Fraser did after he got with you was ignore you, fire nukes at us (mainly his former comrads in arms) and foulmouth BD all over the forum. Yet you saw fit to sit his account and defend it against our nukes/nobles. Yes you stopped doing that but i'd wager you did that more because he stopped giving you the sit then because you didn't want to anymore.
Sigh, this is your only argument about it? you kidding me? I tried to save a friend, and told you about everything i was doing... As soon as fraser didnt return, i spoke to parm, gicu, and you.. i told you the deal. the point of "recruiting" him was not to shaft bd, but to keep him from TWC hands..
But the whiners that BD turned out to be, its all im gonna hear about.. recruiting fraser who sent ten nukes at us!! oh woe is us!!
Gimme a break dude. I didnt do it to piss you off, and i offered to help get your guys on twc front for MONTHS AND MONTHS> when i figured out fraser wasnt returning, (24 hours after recruiting him) i did stop defending his account... and then i did lose the sit. but i stopped defending it before he took it away...
Afterwards, i even wasted all my twc nukes on him for Garz to reach that front.> I see no mention of that in your whining?
So here we are, we are at war which is what you wanted. You purposely broke two agreements we had and you recruited two guys you know we were gunning for. And in all that violence you are in deed, working together with RAM. Let's face it: nukes being fired at our K64 and K54 holdings by RAM makes zero sense. Unless they are aiding Phoenx. The problem you have is that RAM is crumbling at a rather fast rate. We've had several applications already. I'd wager the same goes for Loen. There are a couple Phoenx that are insanely active (even by my standards), but you can't keep that up forever (for Mick: i'd wager Pajuno is your Gicusan btw).
hate to tell you, TWC does its own thing. if they get you to think we are working together, then that is more power to them... And bad on you. You guys know how i feel about it all, but your reaching for the stars in your accusations!! I am sad to see such a respected, and renowned player as yourself stooping to this complaints. Just admit a few things and we can continue as if nothing happened..
Admit that there never was any deal for kd54, as you and mark both let things progress rather than a direct yes or no. I feel as if the stalling was on your side purposely done...
Admit that fraser was recruited to protect from twc, and i did indeed offer front line villages to BD players...
And admit thta temps is a truly dirty player, and you are proud to have him!!
Ps. there are several "gicusans" in phoenx. this is and has always been our strength.. i rely on several "gicus" to prevent crossing of targets.
I have a lot of respect for the fact that you guys choose to attack us rather then wait for the inevitable to happen one day. And i can't even blame you for using all the help you can get, even sub-par recruits and tribes you hate with a passion. I will however point out when you are being a hypocrite and a coward. Just as much as i'll point out when you are lying or distorting the truth.
Dont call me a coward. Cause all i gotta say is you arranged a "nap" with LoEN outside of temps and theshearjoy.... What kind of coward talks the talk and then arranges that??
man up dude, every time you point one finger at me.... four more at yourself.
