Continental Analysis/Discussions

The Stoned Master

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lol noooo dude, when the war started you had shanaka and then a bunch of people at 1800 points. i was not expecting people to be able to pull trains together that quickly.
One of the many mistakes your alliance made; you underestimated us.

Let's not fool anybody here, the only time you had a decent shot at wiping us out was on the day we joined this world. You could have catted our villages into oblivion, and we might have restarted somewhere else then. Instead, you got greedy. You assumed we would be perfectly fine with building up our villages, getting Smithy level 20 and such done, and then you could simply take them of our hands, and save yourself the trouble of waiting to get an Academy.

You failed, it backfired, and now we are taking your Smithy level 20 villages, and clearing your villages. Please, do tell me, how many Nubrex haven't gone inactive yet, haven't pressed the restart button yet, haven't been nobled yet, or still have a sizeable troop count? Now extend that to your allies Vorb and Undain, who as of late are limited to sending attacks with Spears, Swords and Scouts. Where are all those Light Cavalry, Axes and Catapults of the first stages of the war? Oh, that's right, they are dead. I'm busy building a second level 20 wall in my village, simply with the corpses of your failed and pathetic attacks.

Our steamroller has only just began to pick up speed, I suggest you either get out of the way, or get run over. Your choice.
 

.Tullaris.

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K67 - Updated

Rank 1 : =AHU= - Army of the Holy Undead (618,175 pts) Ranked 35 overall - 46 members
OD Rank 50 - Lead by Nemesis02

Rank 2 : =AHU2= - Army of the Holy Undead 2 (266,635 pts) Ranked 58 overall - 36 members
OD Rank 132 - Lead by Honorablesoldier

Rank 3 : O~FEMA - OLYMPIANS of FEMA (117,866 pts) Ranked 110 overall - 29 members
OD Rank 87 - Lead by chelskitel

Rank 4 : =AHU3= (My Tribe) - Army of the Holy Undead 3 (118,768 pts) Ranked 108 overall - 17 members
OD Rank 216 - Lead by .Tullaris.

Rank 5 : _DOTA_ - Defense of the Ancients (428,656 pts) Ranked 44 overall - 51 members
OD Rank 67 -Lead by Wartoy14


=AHU= : Head of a family and head of the K, still shows an ability to deal with threats quickly and effectively when leadership finely decides to act. Many skilled players who are expanding and growing quickly and have OD's to back them up. Many experienced members willing to step up to the plate and offer ideas and advice. Many questionable noble choices, though lack of experience is often a plague that effects most tribes.

O~FEMA : Academy/Family of FEMA, lacks leadership, and coordination, few good members, very poor OD ranking. After a brief war they loose their academy G~FEMA and are listless and without a guiding wind, will likely not last out another week.

=AHU2= : Family of =AHU= clearly. Ranked 2nd though no lack of effort can be said for the leadership of this tribe, they continue to grow and show promise OD could us allot more work considering their rank and relations with =AHU=. Few Player ennoblements mostly abandoned, sounds like they suffer from a similar plague.

=AHU3= : Family of =AHU= Ranked 4th in the k and 17 members strong and growing. They stayed out of the war with FEMA and acted as a detention center for wayward FEMA members who didn't want to challenge the might of =AHU=. Considering that they are getting most of their members from the recently defeated G~FEMA it will be interesting to see where they go. Can it be true what they say fear wins over any other form. Do these new members have what it takes to deal with threats that are bound to come to the third member of a growing family? Majority of their new villages come from other players... though fair it is to say that most are between two members. Few abandoned villages taken though the tribe is still young.

_DOTA_ : What is there to say about such a tribe really? They have grown and shown to be the only other competent tribe in the South East and are not built up by a family. Clearly they grow through the good old fashion clear and conquer. The question we need to ask now is that will they stand up to a real test so far they have been preying on smaller weaker tribes. I can't say I know much about their leader, first world by all showings. Questionable ennoblements 50% seem to be barbs the other random and with little direction or coordination other then the CultGR villages they have been taking. Most players should now able to take villages.

If war should come to pass between these tribes _DOTA_ and =AHU=F it should go to =AHU= statistically speaking but can one really say when it comes to wars.
 
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.Tullaris.

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To be honest I am not overly happy to be in a family tribe, though I must say things have been going smoothly for this one which is a rare sight.
 

capacitor

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Very nice .Tullaris.


K46

Rank TAG Points Villages in K

1 MOAR ! 1,44 Mio. 298
2 BORED! 1,25 Mio. 191
3 L*B 160.842 48
4 LOKI 66.916 22
5 Swarm1 49.688 14
6 APOC 42.297 9

Back in the mists of time (late December), -Vodkaiser- wrote about K46.

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K46

1 BORED! 315.470
2 ProRev 276.662
3 PBnJ 136.057
4 Swarm1 113.615
5 Swarm2 77.527

1 BORED! - Doing great by their low count of players with high av.. one of my favorite tribe also here in w43
2 ProRev - Well i don't this tribe, but all i know is they have no future in K46
3 PBnJ - One of my fave tribe also, they are good player with some solid leadership and organize people, also i like their duke Terminus Eldorado
4 Swarm1 - Fail
5 Swarm2 - Fail
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Now the Map looks like:

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MOAR ! = Red : BORED = Blue : L*B = Green : LOKI = Purple : Swarm1 = Light Blue : APOC = Yellow

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MOAR !

[spoil]I know that there has been speculation that Bored and MOAR have an alliance:

moar! and bored! are allies, I'm pretty sure.
really?? god help us all!
of course moar ! and bored! are allies, just look at them on the nicker maps... how intertwined they are, with 0 conquers against each other on twstats.com ....

people are trying to convince us there in [APOC] that they are at war, and MOAR ! is winning, and that we should join in and gank BORED! and low and behold, they arent even fighting each other lmao
And some people want to see the MOAR/BORED love-child if its true:

btw i <3 both tribes MOAR! and BORED! they have a smexy leaders ^^
MOAR ! have 298 villages in K46, over 150% of the second ranked tribe. Average points are now 26K and they have maxxed out at 60 members, taking in a few high pointed LOKI members and dumping some inactives.

The academy is gone, but L*B looks suspiciously friendly with MOAR, with lots of ex MOAR2 and MOAR members....

Lordwolfx is not strictly correct when he says that there are no conquers between BORED and MOAR. 3 villages from MOAR to BORED in the last two weeks. Maybe not war - just players taking elbow room - but probably not alliance behaviour either.

If there is more conflict, BORED members are sandwiched between the two halves of the MOAR SAMMICH in this K.

The top 20 tribe analysis, for reference:
[spoil]Strong in K46, that hole in the middle is mostly occupied by BORED! (It seems to be a continent full of exclamatory tribes!!!!)

Almost maxed out with 59 players and an average size of 19K points. Their interesting tribal profile shows that they have aspirations to be really REALLY heavy hitters - but it makes you immediately question if they will be light enough on their feet in terms of diplomacy or supporting each other.

They have a brother tribe. MOAR2.

For a tribe of 59 players, all of them have nobled at least a single target and held it, which is more than can be said for some of the members of their more highly ranked rivals. Kudos for that. Theoretically they could put the squeeze on BORED in K46, but I just can't see that happening.

Their founder is also their main PnP conributor, but one of the other co-founder types seems to be basking in the glory of having nobled one, just one, village. Obviously not a fan of leading by example.

It looks like they put a bit of pressure on Swarm and have head-hunted some of their higher point players. They seem to be able to noble other small targets without too much trouble. Their ODD shows that they have not come under any real pressure and that might be their acid test.

I assume that they have smart diplomacy with Bored and that Bored are not just letting them grow nice villages for Bored to pluck later.
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BORED!
[spoil]191 villages in K46, with a growth in average player points to 133K, they have actually shed some players since I last looked.

While they have a declared war with iRelax, EOS and TDP, they also seem happy to take villages off any other tribe, including MOAR as noted above.

While some may want to see the love-child of MOAR and BORED, a more disturbing rumour is that there may be a player on both sides of the fence in the BORED wars. :icon_eek:

If so, isn't that a bit like tribal wars incest <shudder>. I guess it would let you jump ships to which ever side wins.

The Top 20 tribe analysis, for reference:
[spoil]Which brings us to Bored, who did not get very much commentary in my K56 analysis.

They have solid holdings in K36 and K46, but they share K46 with another Top 20 tribe, MOAR. As noted in my K56 analysis they are 6th ranked in K56 and seem to be steadily squeezing iRelax in that K.

23 Players with 93K average points. This tribe is the second heaviest hitter after NUTS. With fewer members you need to assume that communication and co-ordination is better. While they are a bit more spread out than many of the other Top 20 tribes, this is probably to their advantage, giving each individual member more personal room to expand.

A good PnP presence although its hard to tell when they are providing misleading information. One member claims to always wear her nighty 'up', but I have unconfirmed reports that the player does not actually wear a nighty. I will need to undertake a personal investigation...."

They have some "names" in the tribe, but I get the impression that they are not playing this world to their full potential ... yet.

The animated tribal profile, drawing on TW themes is a nice touch.

Once again they have some smallish players and it seems that they are doing house-keeping to noble out the ones that are definitely under-active.

Nobling records also show that they are not really being troubled by anyone and are not all that serious about any one tribe ... yet

It also seems that the leadership is pretty inspiring from reports that I have heard, which all puts them well placed.

I get the sense of a great deal of potential energy in this tribe. Good individual space, good average points per player, limited numbers of players to co-ordinate, inspiring leadership, not being troubled too much by conflict and lots of expansion options....
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L*B

[spoil]A secretive tribe with 30 members, at an average of 5.6K. While aristocracy is not disclosed, Acers purports to be just the diplomat - yeah, right.

This tribe looks a little like an undisclosed academy for MOAR. We know that MOAR did not acknowledge MOAR2 so if L*B is now playing this role they are being a lot more secretive about it...

While MOAR have taken some villages off them, it seems like cleaning up an inactive from the "academy" rather than real conflict. L*B themselves seem to specialise in nobling barbs, with the occasional tribeless player thrown in.

If they are not an academy for MOAR they might wish they were because the members are scattered around the continent like party snacks if the MOAR guys ever want to eat something other than SAMMICH.

Something interesting, qwadagaara (now tribeless and losing villages to iRelax) claimed that MOAR and BORED were allies. He was a member of L*B for a while and made this claim after he left / was dismissed. I guess that if L*B are the undeclared academy of MOAR, he'd know that MOAR and BORED were allies.

Maybe disclosing it was why he was kicked????[/spoil]


LOKI

[spoil]Speaking of academy tribes, LOKI are at least honest enough to declare theirs on their tribal profile page.

They have 45 members at an average of 8.7 K. They are really more of a K45 tribe and their K46 presence is scattered. They claim that you need 6K points to join them and from what I hear they should dump all of their sub-6K members and honour this expectation. And I mean dump them. Don't shuffle trhem off to the academy. They are under-active and can't play. They'll just teach your academy members bad habits. I know this means dumping the founding duke, council members and aristocracy, but seriously ... are they fit role models to lead the tribe?

You should all aspire to be rockstars..... but that's just my opinion.

Nobling preferences are to give away their villages to MOAR, BORED, NwN or anybody else that needs villages. They are becoming expert barb noblers with the exception of the rockstars who noble live players. I say again, the whole tribe should aspire to be rockstars.[/spoil]


Swarm1

[spoil]One of the tribes that was in the Top 5 back in December, but which did not find favour with -Vodkaiser-, probably because they were part of a family. They are now half the size they were back then. The family is still around, and even smaller.

These guys are just snacks waiting to be eaten in K46. 14 members at an average of 3.3K. 5 of the members are rimmed and not yet restarted!

The Duke styles himself as "Master of the Whip". I think it should be "Master of the Ship" .... a ghost ship. Even he has gone missing in action. Free villages anyone???[/spoil]


APOC

[spoil]Included in this analysis because of their huge presence in K47, on the K46 border and their concerns about the supposed romance between BORED and MOAR.

They have 52 members but only 9 villages in K46. They have an average of 29K points, so they have much more hitting power than the 3rd, 4th and 5th ranked "placeholders" in K46.

Lordwolfx implied in his forum comments that MOAR had asked APOC to help gang BORED. He had no particular reason to lie, but he was suspicious that he was being set up. If he does not trust his MOARish neighbour (how Othello is that) then, looking at the map, it would be interesting to know if APOC have approached BORED about turning the tables....

The unconfirmed partial information that I have seen, looks a bit like this:

1. If APOC and BORED gang the eastern half of MOAR, both of them win.
2. APOC are only exposed to half of MOARs firepower.
3. BORED can't really double cross them as they are on the far side of MOAR
4. BORED run the risk of being hit on two fronts by MOAR, so they get some preference in the villages of certain key players
5. BORED probably get to clean up the western half of MOAR once the dust settles.

Now there are flaws in this - as I'm sure some careful readers will see. (And some of you might have better information to confirm of deny this, or to show how the flaws can be overcome), but every action has risks .... and rewards.[/spoil]

Where are they now:

ProRev - just one 300 point player. Time to turn out the lights. -Vodkaiser- was right, no future in K46.

PBnJ - lost in the mists of time. Terminus Eldorado is now in now in MOAR, so it seems that leading players find capable tribes.

Swarm2 - 3 members, one a rimmed player not yet restarted. More free villages?
 
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ston3d

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Me thinks that K35 usabout to get very interesting xD between BORED and NUTS with the controlling tribe breaking down! Thanks to who.... :icon_twisted::lol::icon_razz::icon_twisted::icon_biggrin:
 

Terminus Eldorado

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I can clear alot of that up. PBnJ was MOAR ! Just a name change. (PBnJ is a sammich, after all! :D )

MOAR SOUP ! was our academy, and listed on our profile as such. Now they are not, and not listed. I am not a fan of tribal families, but was a little more congenial in my apporach to this world, being a humanitarian and helping out even the lowliest noob. But that gets triring, and annoying for surrounding tribes, so in the spirit of being reasonable, logical and accomidating in regards to diplomacy, I severed ties with the academy. No "secret academy" type of situation. That is of no benefit to me and my tribemates. Such a small tribe multiplies the number of villages we would have to protect, while getting very little in suppot or offensive capability in return.

Im not much for the "lying to peoples face" method of diplomacy, as I would rather lose with honor and integrity. People that use the former as a rule regarding diplomacy burn bridges, lose respectability in future worlds and have any future ally ask themselves, "Gee, they backstabbed that tribe, why would we be different?" While some may see a lack of want to lie and decieve as a bad thing, I do not. What any tribe I watch over lacks in deceit, we more than make up for agressive troop whoring, tenacity and sticking together. I will lose every single troop I have to protect any one of my members and those of an ally that holds the same philosophy. That being said, anyone that listens to any other tribe, i.e. APOC, regading our diplomatic status, needs not. Just ask me. We obviously have been allied with Bored! for months now. On an aside, those that peruse my profile and think this is my first go round...I was banned from W16 for bogus reasons, so that does not show up on my profile... THAT is to my benefit :)

If you are a surrounding tribe, and seek an ally to be trusted and relied upon, you need look no further. I seek out those who share similar values as I do regarding TW. That probobly means you have to be able to commincate like an adult, show mutual respect and work together. Elitist and condescending attitudes need not apply.

...and of course, you should love FAT SAMMICHES...
 
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capacitor

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Thanks Terminus. That clears up what happened to PBnJ. :lol:

Its nice that you are confirming the BORED! MOAR ! alliance, although you seem to have waited quite a while since lordwolfx made his comments.

I assume that you are saying that he outright lied in the forums when he said that MOAR wanted APOC to be involved in ganging BORED?

I only have partial information about the 'reverse' request (and maybe APOC is behind it if you said they lied about you wanting them to gang up on BORED).

I'll dig deeper....
 

DeletedUser85601

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I assume that you are saying that he outright lied in the forums when he said that MOAR wanted APOC to be involved in ganging BORED?

I only have partial information about the 'reverse' request (and maybe APOC is behind it if you said they lied about you wanting them to gang up on BORED).

I'll dig deeper....

I don't think that anybody from MOAR that started this Rumor. I think it was somebody from a different tribe that we were in talks with a couple of weeks ago. It may have been a set up to get us interested in warring with somebody else.
 

lordwolfx

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Thanks Terminus. That clears up what happened to PBnJ. :lol:

Its nice that you are confirming the BORED! MOAR ! alliance, although you seem to have waited quite a while since lordwolfx made his comments.

I assume that you are saying that he outright lied in the forums when he said that MOAR wanted APOC to be involved in ganging BORED?

I only have partial information about the 'reverse' request (and maybe APOC is behind it if you said they lied about you wanting them to gang up on BORED).

I'll dig deeper....

Outright lied?

You just outright lied when you said i made a comment about MOAR trying to get us to gank BORED with them.

I never said MOAR/BORED said that too us

I said various people In our area did (people outside our tribe)

You also have it very backwards, people told us MOAR was beating up BORED in this huge war that was supposedly happening, people claiming to have spies in MOAR/BORED who are in tribes that arent MOAR/BORED/APOC, they wanted us to start attacking BORED under the pretense that BORED was getting owned in some imaginary war that was going on, upon checking twstats.com (whoever it was probly dosent know what this is, or tribalmaps for that matter) we realized it was a lie....

I posted this because it was funny, not to make some half baked accusations against either MOAR or BORED...

Obviously MOAR knows how to go to twstats.com... obviously they would assume members of APOC may (although from the differences in our relative size that last 1 may be questionable =D)
 
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capacitor

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Ouch!. I apologise that I assumed that MOAR ! were the "people" that wanted APOC to gank BORED! in the supposed MOAR! BORED ! war.

I'll let other people read the maps and let them draw their assumptions about which "people" might have asked APOC to get involved.

I'll also let them read for themselves what has been said loud and clear and what has been unaddressed.
 

lordwolfx

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Yeah its probly my fault just as much as yours XD i probly didnt word it good enouph/explain it enouph...

sorry for seeming cocky, im just... that is... my EGO is probobly the biggest EGO anyone has in K47, and its been well earned so far lol
 

Mikkkky83

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Dota?

DOTA?? _DOTA_ : What is there to say about such a tribe really? They have grown and shown to be the only other competent tribe in the South East and are not built up by a family
and what about P(V)?? never seen them?
 

Terminus Eldorado

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MOAR ! is primarily concerned with K46. The maps support this. MOAR ! may be the most "single K-centic" tribe. Looking at the map it is obvious I have stuck to my word to surrounding tribes that we dont noble into their Ks, and in K46, I dont recruit/noble into BORED! areas. (Why our K looks like a donut, MOAR ! crust with a BORED! center, lol) If I didnt not honor my word, we would be much more intermingled and MOAR ! would be poking further into other Ks.

Were happy munching on out K46 sammich! Although if requested, a quality customer could order some takeout ;)
 

ping of korn

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MOAR ! is primarily concerned with K46. The maps support this. MOAR ! may be the most "single K-centic" tribe. Looking at the map it is obvious I have stuck to my word to surrounding tribes that we dont noble into their Ks, and in K46, I dont recruit/noble into BORED! areas. (Why our K looks like a donut, MOAR ! crust with a BORED! center, lol) If I didnt not honor my word, we would be much more intermingled and MOAR ! would be poking further into other Ks.

Were happy munching on out K46 sammich! Although if requested, a quality customer could order some takeout ;)

For how long are you going to be able to keep the " k46 is where we are" attitude, bored are going to want to start taking really control over k46 and k36 to make sure they are the only worth while tribes init, i would suggest you start moving east to k 47?
 

Terminus Eldorado

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How long? Nearly 3 months and counting. Are you sure you want to start speaking for Bored! ? I dont play TW living in fear or with a feeling of inferiority...But ty for the suggeston! btw, your avatar has inspired me to blast "Here To Stay" (original and T-Ray's mix) :D GOOD MORNING NEIGHBORS! woot!
 
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DJ-slapHead

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How long? Nearly 3 months and counting. Are you sure you want to start speaking for Bored! ? I dont play TW living in fear or with a feeling of inferiority...But ty for the suggeston! btw, your avatar has inspired me to blast "Here To Stay" (original and T-Ray's mix) :D GOOD MORNING NEIGHBORS! woot!
:lol: <---- I think that says enough considering the other thread that was made recently.

/leaves the forums before I get beaten.