Alf Hucker
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Yeah I'd do pretty well with a bunch of accounts breaking all the rules in the book....funny how so many then went inactive, just coincidence I guess.
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Yeah I'd do pretty well with a bunch of accounts breaking all the rules in the book....funny how so many then went inactive, just coincidence I guess.
Deleted User - 4669627
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^^ you would still just be a
will reply to the non-troll posts when i have some spare time
will reply to the non-troll posts when i have some spare time
DeletedUser
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Ignorant nub. Two accounts were banned for an unfortunate login issue. No other accounts were banned. No other accounts breached the rules.
Assuming then that you are hinting at pressure from Fear? & ~@~ being the major factor in the inactivity of so many southern MW members, let me point you to some war stats...
Side 1:
Tribes: ~MW~
Side 2:
Tribes: Fear?
Timeframe: 20/03/2013 00:00:00 to 01/05/2013 00:00:00
Total conquers against opposite side:
Side 1: 423
Side 2: 102
Difference: 321
Points value of total conquers against opposite side:
Side 1: 3,953,984
Side 2: 914,164
Difference: 3,039,820
These stats are from just about when Fear? joined ~@~ against MW to when accounts were starting to be let go. Now, lets look at the difference in caps there. Clearly we were destroying them, even whilst our tribe was fighting NomNom (Ripped apart), ~@~ (Ripped apart) and a few other top 10 tribes.
Side 1:
Tribes: ~MW~
Side 2:
Tribes: Fear?
Timeframe: 01/05/2013 00:00:00 to 30/08/2013 00:00:00
Total conquers against opposite side:
Side 1: 291
Side 2: 410
Difference: 119
Points value of total conquers against opposite side:
Side 1: 2,690,962
Side 2: 3,981,966
Difference: 1,291,004
These are stats from the end of the previous stats until today. Notice the massive difference in caps after certain accounts were gone? These do not even include Fear?s barb conquers against former MW barbs. You cant still tell me that Fear? was the major factor in our inactivity. Clearly they saw an opportunity and took it. Fear did not suddenly launch a massive op or anything. We went inactive, they had a respite and rebuilt whilst we lost ground in barbs and accounts that could barely fight back. We are clawing our way back into this war, in the last 2 weeks we're winning in caps for the first time in a while.
DeletedUser98637
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Oh my deluded or what. Another player wanting to falsify the stats the best way they can. I have already had my warning over taking about certain things but I ain't gonna go there again nor is it worth arguing the point. Be all and end all they were active reports prove that fact there is a new war going on now get with the party the rest had already been talked about where where you? Inactive for the last week or two why this was debated? Want us to take off any villages you lost over the last two weeks why you may have been AWOL?
Side 1:
Tribes: -CKD-, -RY-, Fear?
Side 2:
Tribes: HotRex
Timeframe: 12/08/2013 05:23:34 to 30/08/2013 12:03:20
Total conquers:
Side 1: 2,258
Side 2: 1,293
Difference: 965
Total conquers against opposite side:
Side 1: 430
Side 2: 161
Difference: 269
Points value of total conquers:
Side 1: 19,488,198
Side 2: 12,059,058
Difference: 7,429,140
Points value of total conquers against opposite side:
Side 1: 4,109,580
Side 2: 1,480,955
Difference: 2,628,625
Side 1:
Tribes: -CKD-, -RY-, Fear?
Side 2:
Tribes: HotRex
Timeframe: 12/08/2013 05:23:34 to 30/08/2013 12:03:20
Total conquers:
Side 1: 2,258
Side 2: 1,293
Difference: 965
Total conquers against opposite side:
Side 1: 430
Side 2: 161
Difference: 269
Points value of total conquers:
Side 1: 19,488,198
Side 2: 12,059,058
Difference: 7,429,140
Points value of total conquers against opposite side:
Side 1: 4,109,580
Side 2: 1,480,955
Difference: 2,628,625
Erig
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So who is better at defending...Ppauls or SilentNobler?
DeletedUser
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As an ex player on one of the accounts in question, I have the strongest position from which to interpret the inactivity. As an opponent of the accounts in question you have a very weak position from which to interpret our inactivity. All you saw were some barely/completely inactive accounts which you capitalised on :icon_rolleyes:
DeletedUser94483
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Hot rex have no roon to talk as they just had one of their semi active players curb stomped....
DeletedUser64451
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DeletedUser
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Time for some more stats, given HotRex has now ran its second op since the war started.
24 Hours
[spoil]Side 1:
Tribes: -CKD-, -RY-, Fear?
Side 2:
Tribes: HotRex, ~MW~
Timeframe: Last 24 hours
Total conquers against opposite side:
Side 1: 27
Side 2: 6
Difference: 21
Points value of total conquers against opposite side:
Side 1: 257,322
Side 2: 55,933
Difference: 201,389
[/spoil]
48 Hours
[spoil]Side 1:
Tribes: -CKD-, -RY-, Fear?
Side 2:
Tribes: HotRex, ~MW~
Timeframe: Last 48 hours
Total conquers against opposite side:
Side 1: 52
Side 2: 18
Difference: 34
Points value of total conquers against opposite side:
Side 1: 489,261
Side 2: 169,642
Difference: 319,619
[/spoil]
Last Week
[spoil]Side 1:
Tribes: -CKD-, -RY-, Fear?
Side 2:
Tribes: HotRex, ~MW~
Timeframe: Last week
Total conquers against opposite side:
Side 1: 167
Side 2: 61
Difference: 106
Points value of total conquers against opposite side:
Side 1: 1,542,783
Side 2: 577,295
Difference: 965,488
[/spoil]
Last Month
[spoil]Side 1:
Tribes: -CKD-, -RY-, Fear?
Side 2:
Tribes: HotRex, ~MW~
Timeframe: Last month
Total conquers against opposite side:
Side 1: 717
Side 2: 218
Difference: 499
Points value of total conquers against opposite side:
Side 1: 6,797,707
Side 2: 2,028,105
Difference: 4,769,602
[/spoil]
All stats include Fear?, -CKD- and -RY- so no party is left out. Given its now 3 weeks since the merge, there is no excuse that has any basis for the stats.
24 Hours
[spoil]Side 1:
Tribes: -CKD-, -RY-, Fear?
Side 2:
Tribes: HotRex, ~MW~
Timeframe: Last 24 hours
Total conquers against opposite side:
Side 1: 27
Side 2: 6
Difference: 21
Points value of total conquers against opposite side:
Side 1: 257,322
Side 2: 55,933
Difference: 201,389
[/spoil]
48 Hours
[spoil]Side 1:
Tribes: -CKD-, -RY-, Fear?
Side 2:
Tribes: HotRex, ~MW~
Timeframe: Last 48 hours
Total conquers against opposite side:
Side 1: 52
Side 2: 18
Difference: 34
Points value of total conquers against opposite side:
Side 1: 489,261
Side 2: 169,642
Difference: 319,619
[/spoil]
Last Week
[spoil]Side 1:
Tribes: -CKD-, -RY-, Fear?
Side 2:
Tribes: HotRex, ~MW~
Timeframe: Last week
Total conquers against opposite side:
Side 1: 167
Side 2: 61
Difference: 106
Points value of total conquers against opposite side:
Side 1: 1,542,783
Side 2: 577,295
Difference: 965,488
[/spoil]
Last Month
[spoil]Side 1:
Tribes: -CKD-, -RY-, Fear?
Side 2:
Tribes: HotRex, ~MW~
Timeframe: Last month
Total conquers against opposite side:
Side 1: 717
Side 2: 218
Difference: 499
Points value of total conquers against opposite side:
Side 1: 6,797,707
Side 2: 2,028,105
Difference: 4,769,602
[/spoil]
All stats include Fear?, -CKD- and -RY- so no party is left out. Given its now 3 weeks since the merge, there is no excuse that has any basis for the stats.
DeletedUser
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Looks like history is repeating itself. Best wishes to -CKD-
DeletedUser
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I feel like clearing up a few things.
"We had no time to prepare for fundamental. We all woke up to close range trains the guy had been saving up for months hitting us." isn't quite true. I suppose some of the spirit of the comment is true, but it's a slight exaggeration and therefore untrue. You did have plenty of time, if one assumes that you knew that doing things like stacking my claims with your defensive troops would naturally eventually lead to me attacking you. I suppose it's possible you were naive enough to think that wouldn't happen.
You didn't "wake up to close range trains the guy had been saving up for months". Yes, you woke up to attacks. Yes, they were close range (against other players mostly, the paincarbon account and mine were mostly fairly distantly seperated. But no trains were launched in the first day. In fact, i had precisely 5 nobles built at that time across my entire account. I had 1 train far off in the south at a location surrounded by EX/headbanger account vills that i'd been using against EX vills for some time, and 1 single noble "orphan" also off in the south. True, i had the packets stored for hordes of nobles. Some 120 or 130 or so nobles' roughly. But i didn't launch any trains that first day, nor even the second. I frankly expected there to be defences stacked up against me, i also wasn't (at that time yet) willing to noble vills i couldn't then defend thereafter (my thinking on that did change with time though).
I launched my first attacks. I looked at what areas were clearing and which weren't. I only *started building trains* over 24hrs *after my first attacks were launched*, and the first trains were actually launched (yes, most of them very short range) about *48 hrs* after the first attacks were launched.
So no one "woke up to incoming trains". You woke up to attacks, yes. You faced trains about 2 days later. Anyone who doubts that can look at the logs of time/date i switched tribes and then compare to time/dates of first noblings. Unless the defence to what i'm saying will be: "well, we woke up to short range trains, somehow none of those managed any caps for the first 48hrs, we brilliantly sniped, and then after 48hrs suddenly we ran out of sniping troops and fundamental started capping vills at a rapid rate".
I suppose the spirit of what you say is largely true paincarbon. Just not the actual facts/details.
Now, why would i "betray" (as per first page of this thread) and why were there attacks at all? Well the wickedintentions account had been farming a couple of my villages (they were former bonus barbs in our shared mutual area, she obviously hadn't amended a farming script, and i'm sure the attacks weren't intentional). Ents is of course later in this thread referring to this when he's talking about "attacks". Although in truth the fault in that respect lies with muffins (the then-leader of Hotrex), not wickedintentions nor paincarbon accounts. I'd told muffins about it, and he'd said basically "if you want WI to stop attacking, mail her and ask her yourself". But by then i was tired of WI and had her on mailblock. She's not really the sort of person i like talking with, i find her to be kinda slow-witted and whiney.
But the "attacks" Ents is mentioning frequently in this thread really aren't the big deal. They hardly bothered me (in fact i kinda liked them, she was bleeding off her own farming troops including even spear farmers and etc) and doing no damage, so i was content that if she wasn't a good enough player to look at red-dot reports she'd have been getting and make adjustments (and all good players should be looking at red dot reports, even yellow dot, imo), then i was content for a trickle of ODD over time.
No the *real* issue wasn't "attacks", it was stacking the claims of a player in an allied tribe, because you have a shared forum and know where those claims are.
The wickedintentions account used the shared forum of the allied tribes Hotrex and MW to figure out what bonus barbs (in shared territories of her and my account, where both of us had vills in the area, say within a half-dozen fields' of distance or so) i was about to noble. And started stacking them as i'd claim them with defensive troops. Didn't help her. Delayed me, i'd just clear the stacks, train, as more of her Def would arrive kill off as much of it as i could, and move on to the next.
This. Is an act. Of War. And *that's* what fired up ents, that's what was the last straw that pushed my account into the enemy camp, and that's what surely makes the wickedintentions/paincarbon accounts pariahs. Throughout roughly this time period i'd encouraged WI to noble the bonus vills in question so i didn't have to. I was patient, allowing over a month to pass so this could happen. I was highly receptive to anyone including WI, muffins, Ents, and anyone at all to compromises (and there were tons proposed, and if memory serves there was only one i wasn't fond of and wasn't sure that i would agree to abide by or not, but all the rest i was onboard with).
About "betrayal" and "backstabbing", well for literally months former Igouge players had been calling the Paincarbon account a "traitor" to them and a "betrayal and backstabber". Word had been flying around amongst them and this was their concensus and they didn't seem to mind saying so either. Then came the events of this account switching sides (largely outlined above, with lots of details omitted for brevity of course) and paincarbon was screaming from the mountaintops the words "traitor! betrayer! backstabber!". And then again months later, his own side-switching.
Hmmmm. I'm seeing rose-coloured glasses. Twice. But i mean meh, whatever.
Oh, some further details: " Personally, I had 119 incoming nukes that first morning" also won't be true. You'd have had 119 *attacks* i suppose. But not *nukes* (your word. a small mistake and an innocent one i'm sure). I mean, i only had but 250ish nukes if memory serves in total, and the majority of those were used on WI and kojer accounts, not paincarbon. You'd have had maybe a dozen of my nukes outbound to you that first day if i had to guess? Couple dozen? Few dozen at the most. But your figure of 119 (you're forgetting to mention) was largely fakes and non-full-nukes. (Little pinpricks of like 20 cats escorted by a few dozen attackers. *Not real nukes*). You're just stretching the truth slightly shaun, meh no biggie. But yeah you could stand to amend some of what you've been writing.
"He was largely cleared within that period and made to be insignificant." is actually true. I wasn't actually much-defending, a few sporadic efforts were made when i was in the mood, but the combat was largely just me attacking, and when i ran out of attackers not bothering to defend. So i was rendered inert through the HR defences, largely not the attacks. In fact it was another account that i was mostly not attacking much to my northwest that did me the most harm, caught the most of my nukes at home. Far moreso than any paincarbon (or WI or kojer) attacks. Forget the name of it. Wicca account maybe? Don't quote me on that.
Not a big deal i guess, nor even in conflict with anything you've said shaun. Just that your comment is slightly misleading, in that i basically impaled myself on HR defences, eroded away my own strength, and had some other account erode my strength (think it was that wicca one). Not the paincarbon account. In your defence, your nukes were largely too far away to be suited to the task. The WI, kojer, and wicca accounts were more point-blank and thus doing more harm. Just sayin'. Just trying to point out that "He was largely cleared within that period and made to be insignificant." sounds like you're trying to say your account largely cleared mine and rendered it inert. It didn't. Insofar as it was maybe 10% of the reason why this happened. You played your role in rendering me inert. A small one. But maybe that's what you knew/know and meant in your statement, it just came out a bit wrong. The reality isn't quite what you seem to be inferring.
"If you remember correctly, he left us and joined ~MW~ for a week or so then joined Ex out of the blue. You guys failed to even get involved in hitting him, funny considering he betrayed your tribe by joining Ex more than he betrayed us." i didn't attack MW. There were essentially no MW players anywhere near me (one account, loudhomer if memory serves, was at least ballpark close though hardly point-blank. But i didn't attack that one either). And what of course was happening was that not only was my account extremely far from MW, ents meanwhile knew of what was going on with claims-stacking and refusal of muffins to lets the WI account know it was (probably unintentionally) attempting to farm me, and basically there was zero bad blood between his tribe and i. Not too much sense in attacking an account that just switched sides that is far-removed from the bulk of ones' tribe, isn't attacking your tribe after it makes the switch, you know full well the moral justifications and reasons for the switch in the first place and probably fully agree with them and would do the same in their place.
But anywhoo. Just adding to the conversation on that.
About what you've been writing next ents: "1. how many times did you attack fundamental WHILE he was mw?" i'll answer for her. It was around 50 or so. But as indicated i suspect she wasn't even aware. I suspect that muffins refused to let her know. So the blame for that one lies at the feet of muffins, not WI and not paincarbon honestly. In fact, it wasn't even the paincarbon account doing the "attack" (farming), it was the WI. But then the stacking of my claims, while not *direct* attacks on myself, were still clearly acts of war and *not* unintentional. Accidentally not bothering to amend a farming script is one thing. But one can't easily explain-away stacking your defensive troops at the claim of any ally.
"2. how many times did fundamental attack you WHILE he was mw" - zero of course. Indeed i was during that period trying to wait for some sort of agreement between the tribes where everyone could be happy. Muffins (and i don't know how much if any voice paincarbon and WI had in this) seemed to be the "bad guy" in that sense.
"I NEVER attacked fundamentals except for the farms he nobled of mine, that was the SOLE cause of the issues between us. That and the whole ton of shit he posted thinking he was better than everyone and knew everything there was to know about tribal wars. NEVER attacked him." is in fact correct. It was the WI account that attacked my vills, not the paincarbon. And, as shaun notes and is correct, all the attacks were only against former-farms (bonus barbs i was nobling). And nor were you involved in the claims-stacking (that i know of). And as for my posts... i've heard other people say that it sounds like i think i'm better than everyone, know everything, and etc. So that's a fair enough comment. It's kinda not true, it is and it isn't (it would be better described as me getting too frustrated with other people making the same mistakes i've made and have learned from, getting too heated up when i try to make a point, being not very receptive nor concerned with what others' think of me, and that sort of thing). But fair enough, it's certainly true that shall we say "i have character traits not well-liked by many". Some people seem to love me, others hate me. I seem to polarize opinions.
But with that said, the friction was actually between the WI account and my own. The paincarbon account mostly just got dragged into it because of it's close ties with the WI one. So the spirit of what you're saying there is right shaun. And you're right when you say: " Even our leadership had talked and spoken to him regarding the farms and had told myself and Wicked that if he continued to noble barbs, our farms inside OUR clusters, that we could continue to farm them." in the sense that this was a failure of then-Hr-leadership. Not the paincarbon nor even WI accounts. I mean, it showed a lack of willingness to negotiate or compromise, or to even respect tribal alliance ties (by stacking the claims of an ally).
But in return you *have to* grant to ents that you *knew* (especially the WI account, but yours as well) friction was building. *Should have* known i was being pushed into the enemy camp. Because it was your good friend WI pushing me! (and HR then-leadership). Should have been considering stacking your borders against me. You *did have* ample warning, weeks and weeks. Only a fool would have not seen what was about to happen and how it was bound to play out.
And you have to realize that just because your leadership gives you a green light to start stacking the claims of an ally, doesn't mean that it's still morally justifiable. You're basically using the "i was just doing my job and following orders" defence. Basically saying that because you didn't want me to noble certain bonus barbs, that as long as you got the green light from your tribal leadership to try to stop me, that such a green light made it a morally-ok thing to do. What you seem to not realize is pissing ents (and at the time myself) off was that this is an immoral act, an act of war. Then even comically trying to later claim that you're surprised when i switch sides, surprised when i attack the account involved from that other side, that you had no idea what your actions would provoke.
Tribal permission doesn't mean the act of claims-stacking is moral. It means doing so won't get you into hot water with your tribal leadership. It just means your tribe leadership becomes equally culpable. If your tribe said it's ok to start kicking puppies would that make it morally ok to start kicking puppies?
" like the fact WR's co-player leaked information to fundamental when he took the WR account to MW, while fundamental was in Ex." is also actually true (just that you're accusing the wrong person). Said information wasn't used, wasn't asked for and i wish hadn't been sent. And doesn't impact on ents nor myself, insofar as i know ents had no knowledge of said leaking either. In fact, off the top of my head, i had at *least* three people leaking me all kinds of info once i was in EX (four or five ish i think it was). All unasked for. All rejected when they asked me if i'd like to hear/see it or more of it. I had the chance to know where HR was claiming my vills and where they weren't (i could have been stacking them, but didn't). I knew all about upcoming ops on me and what their goals were. I on occasion skimmed some of the material, not interested in the details and data itself, but frankly just to get a laugh about comments such as "fundamental is a traitor" and chuckling as i'd find them comments to myself about "ohh the rose coloured glasses". Anywhoo. Although, you've actually got your info wrong about who was passing me info. Not only were multi people trying to do so, one of those isn't even the person you seem to be accusing in your claim. It seemed that a lot of people thought your actions were morally unjustified.
"That has to be the biggest garbage post I have ever seen. For weeks? And he had stopped nobling them when he went to ~MW~? Really?" - there's some confusion between paincarbon and ents over the details of this. Ents is trying to point out that *after* a kinda-sorta quasi-arrangement was hacked out i honoured it (and i did), and i even tried to fine-tune it and make it easier for HR to employ (to their benefit, not mine) that the incoming "attacks" (farming) from the WI account continued. It *isn't* true that i stopped nobling bonus barbs when i switched to MW (was that claimed anywhere? Did ents say that? I'm honestly not sure, feel free to point out where he did so shaun). But it *is* true that i stopped once the compromise was reached. If you're trying to say i didn't honour the compromise, you're wrong. So to summarize that more clearly: i left HR. I joined MW and followed MW tribal nobling policies (this is in fact why i joined MW at all of course). Once HR complained to MW (and had been meanwhile stacking my claims) a compromise was forced on me (which is all along what would have worked for me). I did *not* continue nobling after that point in time (and that's what you seem to be saying in your statement. Am i wrong? Did you perhaps mean something else?).
No one is saying that i stopped nobling bonus barbs once i moved to MW. Just that i honoured the compromise that was reached after it had been reached. You're making it sound shaun like the instant i moved from HR to MW that i had nobling rules and compromises in place that i was supposed to follow. I didn't. I'd moved to MW *specifically because* there were no such nobling restrictions at that time. You're trying to put the cart before the horse shaun. Seem to be trying to suggest i was dishonouring agreements that weren't even in place yet.
Frankly, after the compromise was reached i could have just gone ahead and continued nobling bonus barbs anyways i suppose. Or perhaps after WI has stacked my claims, i'd taken them anyways, finally a compromise was reached... i could have then used the shared noble planner to start stacking HER claims right? That would only have been fair don't you think?
Yet i didn't.
Surely you can see that what's good for the goose is good for the gander. I might be the biggest jerk around, you might not like me at all, but *even you* surely can see that stacking the claims of a allied tribe because you have a shared noble planner is an act of war, is going to cause friction, is going to drive my account to the enemy camp?
You really don't see any fault on "your side" at all in any of this shaun? Really?
Lol.
"We had no time to prepare for fundamental. We all woke up to close range trains the guy had been saving up for months hitting us." isn't quite true. I suppose some of the spirit of the comment is true, but it's a slight exaggeration and therefore untrue. You did have plenty of time, if one assumes that you knew that doing things like stacking my claims with your defensive troops would naturally eventually lead to me attacking you. I suppose it's possible you were naive enough to think that wouldn't happen.
You didn't "wake up to close range trains the guy had been saving up for months". Yes, you woke up to attacks. Yes, they were close range (against other players mostly, the paincarbon account and mine were mostly fairly distantly seperated. But no trains were launched in the first day. In fact, i had precisely 5 nobles built at that time across my entire account. I had 1 train far off in the south at a location surrounded by EX/headbanger account vills that i'd been using against EX vills for some time, and 1 single noble "orphan" also off in the south. True, i had the packets stored for hordes of nobles. Some 120 or 130 or so nobles' roughly. But i didn't launch any trains that first day, nor even the second. I frankly expected there to be defences stacked up against me, i also wasn't (at that time yet) willing to noble vills i couldn't then defend thereafter (my thinking on that did change with time though).
I launched my first attacks. I looked at what areas were clearing and which weren't. I only *started building trains* over 24hrs *after my first attacks were launched*, and the first trains were actually launched (yes, most of them very short range) about *48 hrs* after the first attacks were launched.
So no one "woke up to incoming trains". You woke up to attacks, yes. You faced trains about 2 days later. Anyone who doubts that can look at the logs of time/date i switched tribes and then compare to time/dates of first noblings. Unless the defence to what i'm saying will be: "well, we woke up to short range trains, somehow none of those managed any caps for the first 48hrs, we brilliantly sniped, and then after 48hrs suddenly we ran out of sniping troops and fundamental started capping vills at a rapid rate".
I suppose the spirit of what you say is largely true paincarbon. Just not the actual facts/details.
Now, why would i "betray" (as per first page of this thread) and why were there attacks at all? Well the wickedintentions account had been farming a couple of my villages (they were former bonus barbs in our shared mutual area, she obviously hadn't amended a farming script, and i'm sure the attacks weren't intentional). Ents is of course later in this thread referring to this when he's talking about "attacks". Although in truth the fault in that respect lies with muffins (the then-leader of Hotrex), not wickedintentions nor paincarbon accounts. I'd told muffins about it, and he'd said basically "if you want WI to stop attacking, mail her and ask her yourself". But by then i was tired of WI and had her on mailblock. She's not really the sort of person i like talking with, i find her to be kinda slow-witted and whiney.
But the "attacks" Ents is mentioning frequently in this thread really aren't the big deal. They hardly bothered me (in fact i kinda liked them, she was bleeding off her own farming troops including even spear farmers and etc) and doing no damage, so i was content that if she wasn't a good enough player to look at red-dot reports she'd have been getting and make adjustments (and all good players should be looking at red dot reports, even yellow dot, imo), then i was content for a trickle of ODD over time.
No the *real* issue wasn't "attacks", it was stacking the claims of a player in an allied tribe, because you have a shared forum and know where those claims are.
The wickedintentions account used the shared forum of the allied tribes Hotrex and MW to figure out what bonus barbs (in shared territories of her and my account, where both of us had vills in the area, say within a half-dozen fields' of distance or so) i was about to noble. And started stacking them as i'd claim them with defensive troops. Didn't help her. Delayed me, i'd just clear the stacks, train, as more of her Def would arrive kill off as much of it as i could, and move on to the next.
This. Is an act. Of War. And *that's* what fired up ents, that's what was the last straw that pushed my account into the enemy camp, and that's what surely makes the wickedintentions/paincarbon accounts pariahs. Throughout roughly this time period i'd encouraged WI to noble the bonus vills in question so i didn't have to. I was patient, allowing over a month to pass so this could happen. I was highly receptive to anyone including WI, muffins, Ents, and anyone at all to compromises (and there were tons proposed, and if memory serves there was only one i wasn't fond of and wasn't sure that i would agree to abide by or not, but all the rest i was onboard with).
About "betrayal" and "backstabbing", well for literally months former Igouge players had been calling the Paincarbon account a "traitor" to them and a "betrayal and backstabber". Word had been flying around amongst them and this was their concensus and they didn't seem to mind saying so either. Then came the events of this account switching sides (largely outlined above, with lots of details omitted for brevity of course) and paincarbon was screaming from the mountaintops the words "traitor! betrayer! backstabber!". And then again months later, his own side-switching.
Hmmmm. I'm seeing rose-coloured glasses. Twice. But i mean meh, whatever.
Oh, some further details: " Personally, I had 119 incoming nukes that first morning" also won't be true. You'd have had 119 *attacks* i suppose. But not *nukes* (your word. a small mistake and an innocent one i'm sure). I mean, i only had but 250ish nukes if memory serves in total, and the majority of those were used on WI and kojer accounts, not paincarbon. You'd have had maybe a dozen of my nukes outbound to you that first day if i had to guess? Couple dozen? Few dozen at the most. But your figure of 119 (you're forgetting to mention) was largely fakes and non-full-nukes. (Little pinpricks of like 20 cats escorted by a few dozen attackers. *Not real nukes*). You're just stretching the truth slightly shaun, meh no biggie. But yeah you could stand to amend some of what you've been writing.
"He was largely cleared within that period and made to be insignificant." is actually true. I wasn't actually much-defending, a few sporadic efforts were made when i was in the mood, but the combat was largely just me attacking, and when i ran out of attackers not bothering to defend. So i was rendered inert through the HR defences, largely not the attacks. In fact it was another account that i was mostly not attacking much to my northwest that did me the most harm, caught the most of my nukes at home. Far moreso than any paincarbon (or WI or kojer) attacks. Forget the name of it. Wicca account maybe? Don't quote me on that.
Not a big deal i guess, nor even in conflict with anything you've said shaun. Just that your comment is slightly misleading, in that i basically impaled myself on HR defences, eroded away my own strength, and had some other account erode my strength (think it was that wicca one). Not the paincarbon account. In your defence, your nukes were largely too far away to be suited to the task. The WI, kojer, and wicca accounts were more point-blank and thus doing more harm. Just sayin'. Just trying to point out that "He was largely cleared within that period and made to be insignificant." sounds like you're trying to say your account largely cleared mine and rendered it inert. It didn't. Insofar as it was maybe 10% of the reason why this happened. You played your role in rendering me inert. A small one. But maybe that's what you knew/know and meant in your statement, it just came out a bit wrong. The reality isn't quite what you seem to be inferring.
"If you remember correctly, he left us and joined ~MW~ for a week or so then joined Ex out of the blue. You guys failed to even get involved in hitting him, funny considering he betrayed your tribe by joining Ex more than he betrayed us." i didn't attack MW. There were essentially no MW players anywhere near me (one account, loudhomer if memory serves, was at least ballpark close though hardly point-blank. But i didn't attack that one either). And what of course was happening was that not only was my account extremely far from MW, ents meanwhile knew of what was going on with claims-stacking and refusal of muffins to lets the WI account know it was (probably unintentionally) attempting to farm me, and basically there was zero bad blood between his tribe and i. Not too much sense in attacking an account that just switched sides that is far-removed from the bulk of ones' tribe, isn't attacking your tribe after it makes the switch, you know full well the moral justifications and reasons for the switch in the first place and probably fully agree with them and would do the same in their place.
But anywhoo. Just adding to the conversation on that.
About what you've been writing next ents: "1. how many times did you attack fundamental WHILE he was mw?" i'll answer for her. It was around 50 or so. But as indicated i suspect she wasn't even aware. I suspect that muffins refused to let her know. So the blame for that one lies at the feet of muffins, not WI and not paincarbon honestly. In fact, it wasn't even the paincarbon account doing the "attack" (farming), it was the WI. But then the stacking of my claims, while not *direct* attacks on myself, were still clearly acts of war and *not* unintentional. Accidentally not bothering to amend a farming script is one thing. But one can't easily explain-away stacking your defensive troops at the claim of any ally.
"2. how many times did fundamental attack you WHILE he was mw" - zero of course. Indeed i was during that period trying to wait for some sort of agreement between the tribes where everyone could be happy. Muffins (and i don't know how much if any voice paincarbon and WI had in this) seemed to be the "bad guy" in that sense.
"I NEVER attacked fundamentals except for the farms he nobled of mine, that was the SOLE cause of the issues between us. That and the whole ton of shit he posted thinking he was better than everyone and knew everything there was to know about tribal wars. NEVER attacked him." is in fact correct. It was the WI account that attacked my vills, not the paincarbon. And, as shaun notes and is correct, all the attacks were only against former-farms (bonus barbs i was nobling). And nor were you involved in the claims-stacking (that i know of). And as for my posts... i've heard other people say that it sounds like i think i'm better than everyone, know everything, and etc. So that's a fair enough comment. It's kinda not true, it is and it isn't (it would be better described as me getting too frustrated with other people making the same mistakes i've made and have learned from, getting too heated up when i try to make a point, being not very receptive nor concerned with what others' think of me, and that sort of thing). But fair enough, it's certainly true that shall we say "i have character traits not well-liked by many". Some people seem to love me, others hate me. I seem to polarize opinions.
But with that said, the friction was actually between the WI account and my own. The paincarbon account mostly just got dragged into it because of it's close ties with the WI one. So the spirit of what you're saying there is right shaun. And you're right when you say: " Even our leadership had talked and spoken to him regarding the farms and had told myself and Wicked that if he continued to noble barbs, our farms inside OUR clusters, that we could continue to farm them." in the sense that this was a failure of then-Hr-leadership. Not the paincarbon nor even WI accounts. I mean, it showed a lack of willingness to negotiate or compromise, or to even respect tribal alliance ties (by stacking the claims of an ally).
But in return you *have to* grant to ents that you *knew* (especially the WI account, but yours as well) friction was building. *Should have* known i was being pushed into the enemy camp. Because it was your good friend WI pushing me! (and HR then-leadership). Should have been considering stacking your borders against me. You *did have* ample warning, weeks and weeks. Only a fool would have not seen what was about to happen and how it was bound to play out.
And you have to realize that just because your leadership gives you a green light to start stacking the claims of an ally, doesn't mean that it's still morally justifiable. You're basically using the "i was just doing my job and following orders" defence. Basically saying that because you didn't want me to noble certain bonus barbs, that as long as you got the green light from your tribal leadership to try to stop me, that such a green light made it a morally-ok thing to do. What you seem to not realize is pissing ents (and at the time myself) off was that this is an immoral act, an act of war. Then even comically trying to later claim that you're surprised when i switch sides, surprised when i attack the account involved from that other side, that you had no idea what your actions would provoke.
Tribal permission doesn't mean the act of claims-stacking is moral. It means doing so won't get you into hot water with your tribal leadership. It just means your tribe leadership becomes equally culpable. If your tribe said it's ok to start kicking puppies would that make it morally ok to start kicking puppies?
" like the fact WR's co-player leaked information to fundamental when he took the WR account to MW, while fundamental was in Ex." is also actually true (just that you're accusing the wrong person). Said information wasn't used, wasn't asked for and i wish hadn't been sent. And doesn't impact on ents nor myself, insofar as i know ents had no knowledge of said leaking either. In fact, off the top of my head, i had at *least* three people leaking me all kinds of info once i was in EX (four or five ish i think it was). All unasked for. All rejected when they asked me if i'd like to hear/see it or more of it. I had the chance to know where HR was claiming my vills and where they weren't (i could have been stacking them, but didn't). I knew all about upcoming ops on me and what their goals were. I on occasion skimmed some of the material, not interested in the details and data itself, but frankly just to get a laugh about comments such as "fundamental is a traitor" and chuckling as i'd find them comments to myself about "ohh the rose coloured glasses". Anywhoo. Although, you've actually got your info wrong about who was passing me info. Not only were multi people trying to do so, one of those isn't even the person you seem to be accusing in your claim. It seemed that a lot of people thought your actions were morally unjustified.
"That has to be the biggest garbage post I have ever seen. For weeks? And he had stopped nobling them when he went to ~MW~? Really?" - there's some confusion between paincarbon and ents over the details of this. Ents is trying to point out that *after* a kinda-sorta quasi-arrangement was hacked out i honoured it (and i did), and i even tried to fine-tune it and make it easier for HR to employ (to their benefit, not mine) that the incoming "attacks" (farming) from the WI account continued. It *isn't* true that i stopped nobling bonus barbs when i switched to MW (was that claimed anywhere? Did ents say that? I'm honestly not sure, feel free to point out where he did so shaun). But it *is* true that i stopped once the compromise was reached. If you're trying to say i didn't honour the compromise, you're wrong. So to summarize that more clearly: i left HR. I joined MW and followed MW tribal nobling policies (this is in fact why i joined MW at all of course). Once HR complained to MW (and had been meanwhile stacking my claims) a compromise was forced on me (which is all along what would have worked for me). I did *not* continue nobling after that point in time (and that's what you seem to be saying in your statement. Am i wrong? Did you perhaps mean something else?).
No one is saying that i stopped nobling bonus barbs once i moved to MW. Just that i honoured the compromise that was reached after it had been reached. You're making it sound shaun like the instant i moved from HR to MW that i had nobling rules and compromises in place that i was supposed to follow. I didn't. I'd moved to MW *specifically because* there were no such nobling restrictions at that time. You're trying to put the cart before the horse shaun. Seem to be trying to suggest i was dishonouring agreements that weren't even in place yet.
Frankly, after the compromise was reached i could have just gone ahead and continued nobling bonus barbs anyways i suppose. Or perhaps after WI has stacked my claims, i'd taken them anyways, finally a compromise was reached... i could have then used the shared noble planner to start stacking HER claims right? That would only have been fair don't you think?
Yet i didn't.
Surely you can see that what's good for the goose is good for the gander. I might be the biggest jerk around, you might not like me at all, but *even you* surely can see that stacking the claims of a allied tribe because you have a shared noble planner is an act of war, is going to cause friction, is going to drive my account to the enemy camp?
You really don't see any fault on "your side" at all in any of this shaun? Really?
Lol.
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DeletedUser
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Yet another spiel of crap that I expect from you, and no surprise that its incorrect as well. Wicked Intentions did exactly what she was told to do by the leadership of HotRex after you were told NUMEROUS times to not noble barbs inside her area. Moving to the allied tribe didn't remove those sanctions laid down to you by Muffins regarding it nor was it permitted. Thus, she did as Muffins said and stacked against them.
Lets start with this.
~MW~ Ex 21st April 2013 - 15:03:29
[spoil][43-55:45]- [C] (355|454) K43 9,496 kojer [HotRex] fundamental [Ex] 2013-04-23 12:54:20
29.fundamental (343|396) K33 9,952 *kokheng* [HotRex] fundamental [Ex] 2013-04-23 11:00:14
«K43:[N]:03:39 -CKD-» (339|403) K43 9,371 Oops-A-Daisey [HotRex] fundamental [Ex] 2013-04-23 10:49:14
[43-46:12]- [C] (362|441) K43 9,426 kojer [HotRex] fundamental [Ex] 2013-04-23 10:41:16
0076 DESTROY ur SPIRIT (339|435) K43 9,584 Wicked Intentions [HotRex] fundamental [Ex] 2013-04-23 10:00:35
0069 DESTROY ur SPIRIT (337|424) K43 10,070 Wicked Intentions [HotRex] fundamental [Ex] 2013-04-23 09:42:29
0124 DESTROY ur SPIRIT (386|420) K43 9,756 Wicca21 [HotRex] fundamental [Ex] 2013-04-23 05:32:05
«K43:[N]:03:47 -CKD-» (337|404) K43 9,123 Oops-A-Daisey [HotRex] fundamental [Ex] 2013-04-23 04:57:09
0662 Dead Dinosaurs (379|394) K33 9,252 Oops-A-Daisey [HotRex] fundamental [Ex] 2013-04-23 04:53:38
[43-45:18]- [C] (358|441) K43 9,402 kojer [HotRex] fundamental [Ex] 2013-04-23 04:32:17
[43-35:48]- [C] (358|434) K43 9,281 kojer [HotRex] fundamental [Ex] 2013-04-23 03:59:00
[43-57:55]- [E] (375|455) K43 9,539 kojer [HotRex] fundamental [Ex] 2013-04-23 02:06:33
0310 KILL ur HOPE (407|438) K44 9,944 Wicked Intentions [HotRex] fundamental [Ex] 2013-04-23 00:00:37
0081 DESTROY ur SPIRIT (337|440) K43 10,136 Wicked Intentions [HotRex] fundamental [Ex] 2013-04-22 22:40:31
[43-36:56]- [C] (366|435) K43 9,515 kojer [HotRex] fundamental [Ex] 2013-04-22 22:18:33
[43-35:81]- [C] (351|438) K43 9,281 kojer [HotRex] fundamental [Ex] 2013-04-22 18:16:39
[43-43:17]- [C] (337|441) K43 9,962 Wicked Intentions [HotRex] fundamental [Ex] 2013-04-22 18:12:12
0062 DESTROY ur SPIRIT (333|426) K43 9,642 Wicked Intentions [HotRex] fundamental [Ex] 2013-04-22 17:54:56
0308 KILL ur HOPE (408|424) K44 9,078 Wicked Intentions [HotRex] fundamental [Ex] 2013-04-22 17:31:40
[43-36:21]- [C] (361|432) K43 9,378 kojer [HotRex] fundamental [Ex] 2013-04-22 17:28:40
[43-25:90]- [N] (350|429) K43 9,539 kojer [HotRex] fundamental [Ex] 2013-04-22 16:53:54
[43-59:05]- [E] (395|450) K43 9,378 kojer [HotRex] fundamental [Ex] 2013-04-22 16:42:28
[43-35:34]- [C] (354|433) K43 9,378 kojer [HotRex] fundamental [Ex] 2013-04-22 10:57:05
4.fundamental (339|392) K33 10,138 *kokheng* [HotRex] fundamental [Ex] 2013-04-22 10:50:33
3.fundamental (347|402) K43 9,599 Oops-A-Daisey [HotRex] fundamental [Ex] 2013-04-22 10:21:22
0087 DESTROY ur SPIRIT (338|446) K43 9,724 Wicked Intentions [HotRex] fundamental [Ex] 2013-04-22 10:14:09
[43-35:82]- [C] (352|438) K43 9,281 kojer [HotRex] fundamental [Ex] 2013-04-22 09:09:54
0063 DESTROY ur SPIRIT (334|428) K43 10,148 Wicked Intentions [HotRex] fundamental [Ex] 2013-04-22 05:59:22
[43-25:65]- [N] (355|426) K43 9,515 kojer [HotRex] fundamental [Ex] 2013-04-22 05:26:34
[43-36:71]- [C] (361|437) K43 9,281 kojer [HotRex] fundamental [Ex] 2013-04-22 04:12:35
[43-35:88]- [C] (358|438) K43 9,402 kojer [HotRex] fundamental [Ex] 2013-04-22 03:05:35
[43-49:94]- [E] (394|449) K43 9,515 kojer [HotRex] fundamental [Ex] 2013-04-22 01:22:18
0242 KILL ur HOPE (407|433) K44 9,642 Wicked Intentions [HotRex] fundamental [Ex] 2013-04-21 23:09:16
[43-59:04]- [E] (394|450) K43 9,394 kojer [HotRex] fundamental [Ex] 2013-04-21 23:03:03[/spoil]
So that was all single nobles? 34 of them in 2 days with single nobles? Please, you launched as soon as you left and sure some of them may of been, but definitely not all of them. So while you try and take the high and mighty road on it, it's clearly crap.
Never once said that. So please don't put words into my mouth and exaggerate what was actually said.
Well done, bring up the word of those that had to be forced and threatened to participate in anything and everything. The baggage, it means very little. All the worthy ones are still here in some form or have since moved on from this world. Loyalty got them here, participation and activity to the tribes needs beyond their own. Good work Chad, something you should of perhaps looked further into doing yourself. The ONLY reason you made it to HotRex was because of Nutty.
Correct, it was slightly out. There was roughly 60-70 nukes in there, the rest were fanged fakes. I have the reports still saved.
I have never once claimed I did everything to you, I know that part I played in it however you are correct in saying that our front was rather small. So the journey for my nukes being roughly around 40 hours, still did a lot of damage. As a tribe though, we effectively did the damage. Defensively or offensively, it was the same result.
I massively beg to differ there as you copied it to Ex leadership where in turn, I received it back. How do you think I found out about it? Therefore you may say that it wasn't intended for use but it was the second that you sent it higher up.
The rest of your post is meh, could argue it to the cows come home with some give and surely take. I know where my fault laid in it and I accept responsibility. We had our falling outs because of your personality and your strong believes that what you said was gospel and no one else's strategies worked. Remember the wall buster one that I proved incorrect? How'd those mass fakes and fanged fakes feel on your account, when you said mass fakes don't work? I'm sorry Chad but we had out issues, you just weren't right all the time like you would have everyone believe and argued to the threads were closed by leadership.
I wish you the best for the future, but I wont miss you in the world.
Lets start with this.
~MW~ Ex 21st April 2013 - 15:03:29
[spoil][43-55:45]- [C] (355|454) K43 9,496 kojer [HotRex] fundamental [Ex] 2013-04-23 12:54:20
29.fundamental (343|396) K33 9,952 *kokheng* [HotRex] fundamental [Ex] 2013-04-23 11:00:14
«K43:[N]:03:39 -CKD-» (339|403) K43 9,371 Oops-A-Daisey [HotRex] fundamental [Ex] 2013-04-23 10:49:14
[43-46:12]- [C] (362|441) K43 9,426 kojer [HotRex] fundamental [Ex] 2013-04-23 10:41:16
0076 DESTROY ur SPIRIT (339|435) K43 9,584 Wicked Intentions [HotRex] fundamental [Ex] 2013-04-23 10:00:35
0069 DESTROY ur SPIRIT (337|424) K43 10,070 Wicked Intentions [HotRex] fundamental [Ex] 2013-04-23 09:42:29
0124 DESTROY ur SPIRIT (386|420) K43 9,756 Wicca21 [HotRex] fundamental [Ex] 2013-04-23 05:32:05
«K43:[N]:03:47 -CKD-» (337|404) K43 9,123 Oops-A-Daisey [HotRex] fundamental [Ex] 2013-04-23 04:57:09
0662 Dead Dinosaurs (379|394) K33 9,252 Oops-A-Daisey [HotRex] fundamental [Ex] 2013-04-23 04:53:38
[43-45:18]- [C] (358|441) K43 9,402 kojer [HotRex] fundamental [Ex] 2013-04-23 04:32:17
[43-35:48]- [C] (358|434) K43 9,281 kojer [HotRex] fundamental [Ex] 2013-04-23 03:59:00
[43-57:55]- [E] (375|455) K43 9,539 kojer [HotRex] fundamental [Ex] 2013-04-23 02:06:33
0310 KILL ur HOPE (407|438) K44 9,944 Wicked Intentions [HotRex] fundamental [Ex] 2013-04-23 00:00:37
0081 DESTROY ur SPIRIT (337|440) K43 10,136 Wicked Intentions [HotRex] fundamental [Ex] 2013-04-22 22:40:31
[43-36:56]- [C] (366|435) K43 9,515 kojer [HotRex] fundamental [Ex] 2013-04-22 22:18:33
[43-35:81]- [C] (351|438) K43 9,281 kojer [HotRex] fundamental [Ex] 2013-04-22 18:16:39
[43-43:17]- [C] (337|441) K43 9,962 Wicked Intentions [HotRex] fundamental [Ex] 2013-04-22 18:12:12
0062 DESTROY ur SPIRIT (333|426) K43 9,642 Wicked Intentions [HotRex] fundamental [Ex] 2013-04-22 17:54:56
0308 KILL ur HOPE (408|424) K44 9,078 Wicked Intentions [HotRex] fundamental [Ex] 2013-04-22 17:31:40
[43-36:21]- [C] (361|432) K43 9,378 kojer [HotRex] fundamental [Ex] 2013-04-22 17:28:40
[43-25:90]- [N] (350|429) K43 9,539 kojer [HotRex] fundamental [Ex] 2013-04-22 16:53:54
[43-59:05]- [E] (395|450) K43 9,378 kojer [HotRex] fundamental [Ex] 2013-04-22 16:42:28
[43-35:34]- [C] (354|433) K43 9,378 kojer [HotRex] fundamental [Ex] 2013-04-22 10:57:05
4.fundamental (339|392) K33 10,138 *kokheng* [HotRex] fundamental [Ex] 2013-04-22 10:50:33
3.fundamental (347|402) K43 9,599 Oops-A-Daisey [HotRex] fundamental [Ex] 2013-04-22 10:21:22
0087 DESTROY ur SPIRIT (338|446) K43 9,724 Wicked Intentions [HotRex] fundamental [Ex] 2013-04-22 10:14:09
[43-35:82]- [C] (352|438) K43 9,281 kojer [HotRex] fundamental [Ex] 2013-04-22 09:09:54
0063 DESTROY ur SPIRIT (334|428) K43 10,148 Wicked Intentions [HotRex] fundamental [Ex] 2013-04-22 05:59:22
[43-25:65]- [N] (355|426) K43 9,515 kojer [HotRex] fundamental [Ex] 2013-04-22 05:26:34
[43-36:71]- [C] (361|437) K43 9,281 kojer [HotRex] fundamental [Ex] 2013-04-22 04:12:35
[43-35:88]- [C] (358|438) K43 9,402 kojer [HotRex] fundamental [Ex] 2013-04-22 03:05:35
[43-49:94]- [E] (394|449) K43 9,515 kojer [HotRex] fundamental [Ex] 2013-04-22 01:22:18
0242 KILL ur HOPE (407|433) K44 9,642 Wicked Intentions [HotRex] fundamental [Ex] 2013-04-21 23:09:16
[43-59:04]- [E] (394|450) K43 9,394 kojer [HotRex] fundamental [Ex] 2013-04-21 23:03:03[/spoil]
So that was all single nobles? 34 of them in 2 days with single nobles? Please, you launched as soon as you left and sure some of them may of been, but definitely not all of them. So while you try and take the high and mighty road on it, it's clearly crap.
Never once said that. So please don't put words into my mouth and exaggerate what was actually said.
Well done, bring up the word of those that had to be forced and threatened to participate in anything and everything. The baggage, it means very little. All the worthy ones are still here in some form or have since moved on from this world. Loyalty got them here, participation and activity to the tribes needs beyond their own. Good work Chad, something you should of perhaps looked further into doing yourself. The ONLY reason you made it to HotRex was because of Nutty.
Correct, it was slightly out. There was roughly 60-70 nukes in there, the rest were fanged fakes. I have the reports still saved.
I have never once claimed I did everything to you, I know that part I played in it however you are correct in saying that our front was rather small. So the journey for my nukes being roughly around 40 hours, still did a lot of damage. As a tribe though, we effectively did the damage. Defensively or offensively, it was the same result.
I massively beg to differ there as you copied it to Ex leadership where in turn, I received it back. How do you think I found out about it? Therefore you may say that it wasn't intended for use but it was the second that you sent it higher up.
The rest of your post is meh, could argue it to the cows come home with some give and surely take. I know where my fault laid in it and I accept responsibility. We had our falling outs because of your personality and your strong believes that what you said was gospel and no one else's strategies worked. Remember the wall buster one that I proved incorrect? How'd those mass fakes and fanged fakes feel on your account, when you said mass fakes don't work? I'm sorry Chad but we had out issues, you just weren't right all the time like you would have everyone believe and argued to the threads were closed by leadership.
I wish you the best for the future, but I wont miss you in the world.
mrpointhore
Guest
This thread is so full of ego's, it's actually funny. The only time I've seen someone actually admit that a statement made in a previous post by someone else was in fact true, was by Fundamental. (that post was bloody long, but actually pretty brilliant(writing wise), you should be a blogger.) I do not understand why people go through the trouble of looking up stats from months and months ago on here though. We've seen time and time again, even IF someone is proved wrong by a stat, or the timeline of events, said person will still come on here and say NO, YOU'RE WRONG, I'M ALWAYS RIGHT. Holy moly folks, it's okay to admit the enemy is right sometimes you know, this isn't the real world, only fake axe men are dieing, not real ones.
Happy nuking!
Happy nuking!
DeletedUser48517
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At this stage, how you got where you are dont matter. I've fought against the majority of people in my tribe at one point or another. I dont give a flying fig, diplomacy changes targets get moved around, its all good. You took my vill thats fine, world's a big place, I'll stay diversified and tough to kill.
And highly annoying. I love the OD.
CKD has momentum and dedicated leadership, we follow the goals and have success! Been lots of ops in my time that fizzle, or have tribemates that dont help or are selfish. CKD aint like that, its good see, makes it fun. Fun is key to victory!
And highly annoying. I love the OD.
CKD has momentum and dedicated leadership, we follow the goals and have success! Been lots of ops in my time that fizzle, or have tribemates that dont help or are selfish. CKD aint like that, its good see, makes it fun. Fun is key to victory!
DeletedUser
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Stats Update
24 Hours
[spoil]Side 1:
Tribes: -CKD-, -RY-, Fear?
Side 2:
Tribes: ~MW~, HotRex
Timeframe: Last 24 hours
Total conquers:
Side 1: 118
Side 2: 43
Difference: 75
Total conquers against opposite side:
Side 1: 26
Side 2: 4
Difference: 22
Points value of total conquers:
Side 1: 1,061,393
Side 2: 380,590
Difference: 680,803
Points value of total conquers against opposite side:
Side 1: 252,347
Side 2: 28,212
Difference: 224,135
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48 Hours
[spoil]Side 1:
Tribes: -CKD-, -RY-, Fear?
Side 2:
Tribes: ~MW~, HotRex
Timeframe: Last 48 hours
Total conquers:
Side 1: 224
Side 2: 92
Difference: 132
Total conquers against opposite side:
Side 1: 42
Side 2: 8
Difference: 34
Points value of total conquers:
Side 1: 1,956,286
Side 2: 825,769
Difference: 1,130,517
Points value of total conquers against opposite side:
Side 1: 402,842
Side 2: 62,521
Difference: 340,321
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1 Week
[spoil]Side 1:
Tribes: -CKD-, -RY-, Fear?
Side 2:
Tribes: ~MW~, HotRex
Timeframe: Last week
Total conquers:
Side 1: 689
Side 2: 387
Difference: 302
Total conquers against opposite side:
Side 1: 121
Side 2: 66
Difference: 55
Points value of total conquers:
Side 1: 5,960,433
Side 2: 3,392,212
Difference: 2,568,221
Points value of total conquers against opposite side:
Side 1: 1,140,700
Side 2: 554,118
Difference: 586,582
[/spoil]
1 Month
[spoil]Side 1:
Tribes: -CKD-, -RY-, Fear?
Side 2:
Tribes: ~MW~, HotRex
Timeframe: Last month
Total conquers:
Side 1: 3,591
Side 2: 2,107
Difference: 1,484
Total conquers against opposite side:
Side 1: 773
Side 2: 273
Difference: 500
Points value of total conquers:
Side 1: 30,577,899
Side 2: 19,429,579
Difference: 11,148,320
Points value of total conquers against opposite side:
Side 1: 7,287,288
Side 2: 2,477,118
Difference: 4,810,170
[/spoil]
Top 20 of the Official War Stats - Sorted by Caps:
[spoil]
[/spoil]
There we have it.
24 Hours
[spoil]Side 1:
Tribes: -CKD-, -RY-, Fear?
Side 2:
Tribes: ~MW~, HotRex
Timeframe: Last 24 hours
Total conquers:
Side 1: 118
Side 2: 43
Difference: 75
Total conquers against opposite side:
Side 1: 26
Side 2: 4
Difference: 22
Points value of total conquers:
Side 1: 1,061,393
Side 2: 380,590
Difference: 680,803
Points value of total conquers against opposite side:
Side 1: 252,347
Side 2: 28,212
Difference: 224,135
[/spoil]
48 Hours
[spoil]Side 1:
Tribes: -CKD-, -RY-, Fear?
Side 2:
Tribes: ~MW~, HotRex
Timeframe: Last 48 hours
Total conquers:
Side 1: 224
Side 2: 92
Difference: 132
Total conquers against opposite side:
Side 1: 42
Side 2: 8
Difference: 34
Points value of total conquers:
Side 1: 1,956,286
Side 2: 825,769
Difference: 1,130,517
Points value of total conquers against opposite side:
Side 1: 402,842
Side 2: 62,521
Difference: 340,321
[/spoil]
1 Week
[spoil]Side 1:
Tribes: -CKD-, -RY-, Fear?
Side 2:
Tribes: ~MW~, HotRex
Timeframe: Last week
Total conquers:
Side 1: 689
Side 2: 387
Difference: 302
Total conquers against opposite side:
Side 1: 121
Side 2: 66
Difference: 55
Points value of total conquers:
Side 1: 5,960,433
Side 2: 3,392,212
Difference: 2,568,221
Points value of total conquers against opposite side:
Side 1: 1,140,700
Side 2: 554,118
Difference: 586,582
[/spoil]
1 Month
[spoil]Side 1:
Tribes: -CKD-, -RY-, Fear?
Side 2:
Tribes: ~MW~, HotRex
Timeframe: Last month
Total conquers:
Side 1: 3,591
Side 2: 2,107
Difference: 1,484
Total conquers against opposite side:
Side 1: 773
Side 2: 273
Difference: 500
Points value of total conquers:
Side 1: 30,577,899
Side 2: 19,429,579
Difference: 11,148,320
Points value of total conquers against opposite side:
Side 1: 7,287,288
Side 2: 2,477,118
Difference: 4,810,170
[/spoil]
Top 20 of the Official War Stats - Sorted by Caps:
[spoil]
[/spoil]
There we have it.
Deleted User - 4669627
Guest
1 month stats hr has 35% of ckd's war capsStats Update
1 Week
[spoil]Side 1:
Tribes: -CKD-, -RY-, Fear?
Side 2:
Tribes: ~MW~, HotRex
Timeframe: Last week
Total conquers:
Side 1: 689
Side 2: 387
Difference: 302
Total conquers against opposite side:
Side 1: 121
Side 2: 66
Difference: 55
Points value of total conquers:
Side 1: 5,960,433
Side 2: 3,392,212
Difference: 2,568,221
Points value of total conquers against opposite side:
Side 1: 1,140,700
Side 2: 554,118
Difference: 586,582
[/spoil]
1 Month
[spoil]Side 1:
Tribes: -CKD-, -RY-, Fear?
Side 2:
Tribes: ~MW~, HotRex
Timeframe: Last month
Total conquers:
Side 1: 3,591
Side 2: 2,107
Difference: 1,484
Total conquers against opposite side:
Side 1: 773
Side 2: 273
Difference: 500
Points value of total conquers:
Side 1: 30,577,899
Side 2: 19,429,579
Difference: 11,148,320
Points value of total conquers against opposite side:
Side 1: 7,287,288
Side 2: 2,477,118
Difference: 4,810,170
[/spoil]
1 week stats show 56%
nobody said it would even out in a few weeks, only you
DeletedUser
Guest
Well done. We also doubled your growth for the week over all, even with your tribes war on the barbarians. I don't recall ever saying it would even out in a few weeks. I said it was poor preparation for it on your behalf. Given we are still taking 2 for every one from HR a month in, it still shows that.
Deleted User - 4669627
Guest
who do you imagine you are convincing? even your mates in ckd know that even if given months, nobody in any world could prepare for what you pulled
that is WHY you did it, i suspect
much easier to attack your unsuspecting mates (especially if it is not just you but 10 of you) than an enemy you have been fighting for 6 months:icon_rolleyes:
anyway
Side 1:
Tribes: HotRex
Side 2:
Tribes: -CKD-, -RY-, Fear?
Timeframe: Last 48 hours
Total conquers against opposite side:
Side 1: 27
Side 2: 26
Difference: 1
Points value of total conquers against opposite side:
Side 1: 256,349
Side 2: 238,308
Difference: 18,041
my caps are real mate
i attacked a tribe that has been fighting us for 6 months
i came to the world forums and told them what account i was on and that i was preparing to attack them
then i attacked them
you might as well be nobling barbs mate, despite all the shit you talk about it, YOU are NOT warring ANYBODY
you WERE warring ex and tre, but your stats were nothing like they are now
your caps are not war caps, they are backstab caps, which is lower than nobling barbs and easier
the barbs you at least have to clear:icon_rolleyes:
i have half your war oda and i just started
and if my "war" oda and caps were as respectable as your own, i would be much too embarrassed to post them, better to post my barb caps
http://www.twstats.com/en64/index.p...1&min=&max=&timerange=2013/08/30+-+2013/09/11
each of those is more impressive than even 1 of your war caps:icon_redface:
Side 1:
Players: Pain.Carbon, quadro40k, kojer, Vondur, Wicked Intentions, loudhomer, Wicca21, Vodka Brass
Side 2:
Tribes: HotRex
Timeframe: Last month
Total conquers against opposite side:
Side 1: 316
Side 2: 96
Difference: 220
Points value of total conquers against opposite side:
Side 1: 3,016,166
Side 2: 923,271
Difference: 2,092,895
and
Side 1:
Tribes: -CKD-, -RY-, Fear?
Side 2:
Tribes: HotRex
Timeframe: Last month
Total conquers against opposite side:
Side 1: 640
Side 2: 284
Difference: 356
Points value of total conquers against opposite side:
Side 1: 6,086,914
Side 2: 2,574,596
Difference: 3,512,318
all 3 tribes put together have as many gains as the 8 former hr do by themselves
all 3 tribes put together have twice as many losses as the 8 former hr
the 8 former hr are 220 caps up for the past month
the entire rest of the 3 tribes put together are 136 up for the past month
^^ that is about 4.5 per day
i am at 3.0 per day by myself
that is WHY you did it, i suspect
much easier to attack your unsuspecting mates (especially if it is not just you but 10 of you) than an enemy you have been fighting for 6 months:icon_rolleyes:
anyway
Side 1:
Tribes: HotRex
Side 2:
Tribes: -CKD-, -RY-, Fear?
Timeframe: Last 48 hours
Total conquers against opposite side:
Side 1: 27
Side 2: 26
Difference: 1
Points value of total conquers against opposite side:
Side 1: 256,349
Side 2: 238,308
Difference: 18,041
my caps are real mate
i attacked a tribe that has been fighting us for 6 months
i came to the world forums and told them what account i was on and that i was preparing to attack them
then i attacked them
you might as well be nobling barbs mate, despite all the shit you talk about it, YOU are NOT warring ANYBODY
you WERE warring ex and tre, but your stats were nothing like they are now
your caps are not war caps, they are backstab caps, which is lower than nobling barbs and easier
the barbs you at least have to clear:icon_rolleyes:
i have half your war oda and i just started
and if my "war" oda and caps were as respectable as your own, i would be much too embarrassed to post them, better to post my barb caps
http://www.twstats.com/en64/index.p...1&min=&max=&timerange=2013/08/30+-+2013/09/11
each of those is more impressive than even 1 of your war caps:icon_redface:
Side 1:
Players: Pain.Carbon, quadro40k, kojer, Vondur, Wicked Intentions, loudhomer, Wicca21, Vodka Brass
Side 2:
Tribes: HotRex
Timeframe: Last month
Total conquers against opposite side:
Side 1: 316
Side 2: 96
Difference: 220
Points value of total conquers against opposite side:
Side 1: 3,016,166
Side 2: 923,271
Difference: 2,092,895
and
Side 1:
Tribes: -CKD-, -RY-, Fear?
Side 2:
Tribes: HotRex
Timeframe: Last month
Total conquers against opposite side:
Side 1: 640
Side 2: 284
Difference: 356
Points value of total conquers against opposite side:
Side 1: 6,086,914
Side 2: 2,574,596
Difference: 3,512,318
all 3 tribes put together have as many gains as the 8 former hr do by themselves
all 3 tribes put together have twice as many losses as the 8 former hr
the 8 former hr are 220 caps up for the past month
the entire rest of the 3 tribes put together are 136 up for the past month
^^ that is about 4.5 per day
i am at 3.0 per day by myself
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ancient mariner
Guest
Seems like HotRex needs someone who can pawn yous CKDs,
Contact me Rexaurs guys if you have any decent account with some PP in it
I am more than willing to join this fight :icon_twisted:
Just need one chance to tame this Lord Nubeo
Contact me Rexaurs guys if you have any decent account with some PP in it
I am more than willing to join this fight :icon_twisted:
Just need one chance to tame this Lord Nubeo
DeletedUser
Guest
Who is this kid?
Ants, wow buddy. Backstab this, backstab that. Move on. You were well aware what was happening and did nothing about it. And you are right on something, nobling HotRex is like fighting barbs.
Since you want to post up stats, so shall I. Please, add MW to the official stats. They are very included in this.
CKD/RY vs HotRex/MW.
[spoil]Side 1:
Tribes: -CKD-, -RY-
Side 2:
Tribes: HotRex, ~MW~
Timeframe: 08/08/2013 00:00:00 to 12/09/2013 18:38:31
Total conquers against opposite side:
Side 1: 743
Side 2: 223
Difference: 520
Points value of total conquers against opposite side:
Side 1: 6,970,534
Side 2: 2,112,081
Difference: 4,858,453
[/spoil]
Last Month
[spoil]
Side 1:
Tribes: -CKD-, -RY-
Side 2:
Tribes: HotRex, ~MW~
Timeframe: Last month
Total conquers against opposite side:
Side 1: 603
Side 2: 188
Difference: 415
Points value of total conquers against opposite side:
Side 1: 5,631,924
Side 2: 1,775,704
Difference: 3,856,220
[/spoil]
Last Fortnight
[spoil]Side 1:
Tribes: -CKD-, -RY-
Side 2:
Tribes: HotRex, ~MW~
Timeframe: 01/09/2013 00:00:00 to 12/09/2013 18:38:31
Total conquers against opposite side:
Side 1: 166
Side 2: 58
Difference: 108
Points value of total conquers against opposite side:
Side 1: 1,548,035
Side 2: 526,743
Difference: 1,021,292
[/spoil]
Last Week
[spoil]Side 1:
Tribes: -CKD-, -RY-
Side 2:
Tribes: HotRex, ~MW~
Timeframe: Last week
Total conquers against opposite side:
Side 1: 97
Side 2: 25
Difference: 72
Points value of total conquers against opposite side:
Side 1: 901,717
Side 2: 226,219
Difference: 675,498
[/spoil]
Last 48 Hours
[spoil]Side 1:
Tribes: -CKD-, -RY-
Side 2:
Tribes: HotRex, ~MW~
Timeframe: Last 48 hours
Total conquers against opposite side:
Side 1: 23
Side 2: 6
Difference: 17
Points value of total conquers against opposite side:
Side 1: 206,149
Side 2: 56,502
Difference: 149,647
[/spoil]
Last 24 Hours
[spoil]Side 1:
Tribes: -CKD-, -RY-
Side 2:
Tribes: HotRex, ~MW~
Timeframe: Last 24 hours
Total conquers against opposite side:
Side 1: 14
Side 2: 3
Difference: 11
Points value of total conquers against opposite side:
Side 1: 130,603
Side 2: 28,394
Difference: 102,209
[/spoil]
So Ants, you can noble Fear? as much as you like. But when you claim things like my CKD mates are concerned about a long fight with HotRex, at least be correct. We have maintained our composure , and maintained the caps.
[spoil]Side 1:
Tribes: -CKD-, -RY-, Fear?
Side 2:
Tribes: HotRex, ~MW~
Timeframe: Last week
Total conquers against opposite side:
Side 1: 122
Side 2: 56
Difference: 66
Points value of total conquers against opposite side:
Side 1: 1,118,688
Side 2: 518,711
Difference: 599,977
[/spoil]
HotRex has not. It doesn't matter what you call it, its over a month later now and you are still being doubled in every aspect.
Ants, wow buddy. Backstab this, backstab that. Move on. You were well aware what was happening and did nothing about it. And you are right on something, nobling HotRex is like fighting barbs.
Since you want to post up stats, so shall I. Please, add MW to the official stats. They are very included in this.
CKD/RY vs HotRex/MW.
[spoil]Side 1:
Tribes: -CKD-, -RY-
Side 2:
Tribes: HotRex, ~MW~
Timeframe: 08/08/2013 00:00:00 to 12/09/2013 18:38:31
Total conquers against opposite side:
Side 1: 743
Side 2: 223
Difference: 520
Points value of total conquers against opposite side:
Side 1: 6,970,534
Side 2: 2,112,081
Difference: 4,858,453
[/spoil]
Last Month
[spoil]
Side 1:
Tribes: -CKD-, -RY-
Side 2:
Tribes: HotRex, ~MW~
Timeframe: Last month
Total conquers against opposite side:
Side 1: 603
Side 2: 188
Difference: 415
Points value of total conquers against opposite side:
Side 1: 5,631,924
Side 2: 1,775,704
Difference: 3,856,220
[/spoil]
Last Fortnight
[spoil]Side 1:
Tribes: -CKD-, -RY-
Side 2:
Tribes: HotRex, ~MW~
Timeframe: 01/09/2013 00:00:00 to 12/09/2013 18:38:31
Total conquers against opposite side:
Side 1: 166
Side 2: 58
Difference: 108
Points value of total conquers against opposite side:
Side 1: 1,548,035
Side 2: 526,743
Difference: 1,021,292
[/spoil]
Last Week
[spoil]Side 1:
Tribes: -CKD-, -RY-
Side 2:
Tribes: HotRex, ~MW~
Timeframe: Last week
Total conquers against opposite side:
Side 1: 97
Side 2: 25
Difference: 72
Points value of total conquers against opposite side:
Side 1: 901,717
Side 2: 226,219
Difference: 675,498
[/spoil]
Last 48 Hours
[spoil]Side 1:
Tribes: -CKD-, -RY-
Side 2:
Tribes: HotRex, ~MW~
Timeframe: Last 48 hours
Total conquers against opposite side:
Side 1: 23
Side 2: 6
Difference: 17
Points value of total conquers against opposite side:
Side 1: 206,149
Side 2: 56,502
Difference: 149,647
[/spoil]
Last 24 Hours
[spoil]Side 1:
Tribes: -CKD-, -RY-
Side 2:
Tribes: HotRex, ~MW~
Timeframe: Last 24 hours
Total conquers against opposite side:
Side 1: 14
Side 2: 3
Difference: 11
Points value of total conquers against opposite side:
Side 1: 130,603
Side 2: 28,394
Difference: 102,209
[/spoil]
So Ants, you can noble Fear? as much as you like. But when you claim things like my CKD mates are concerned about a long fight with HotRex, at least be correct. We have maintained our composure , and maintained the caps.
[spoil]Side 1:
Tribes: -CKD-, -RY-, Fear?
Side 2:
Tribes: HotRex, ~MW~
Timeframe: Last week
Total conquers against opposite side:
Side 1: 122
Side 2: 56
Difference: 66
Points value of total conquers against opposite side:
Side 1: 1,118,688
Side 2: 518,711
Difference: 599,977
[/spoil]
HotRex has not. It doesn't matter what you call it, its over a month later now and you are still being doubled in every aspect.
