I'll give you one more quote before I am quiet for a while. This time, from Abraham Lincoln, a man who was very willing to spill blood - both of his own troops and the enemy:
"Am I not destroying my enemies when I make friends of them?"
There is more than one way to destroy an enemy. We choose to use several of them.
--V
Y'Know...Its funny! I'm gonna isolate four players, since each one has something of a role in this rigamarole.
Warning, lots of stats ahead - Cliffs at the end.
TWStats said:
Tribalwars Player Profile: 3aZoOoOZ (tribe changes)
!TL$! None 14th June 2009 - 04:00:01 412,345
None PEACE 15th June 2009 - 01:00:01 425,444
PEACE CBTF 06th July 2009 - 04:00:02 678,193
Tribalwars Player Profile: sanchez3827 (tribe changes)
P~1 Smile! 30th March 2009 - 16:00:01 110,786
Smile! PEACE 21st May 2009 - 16:00:02 220,503
PEACE CBTF 06th July 2009 - 01:00:02 593,781
Tribalwars Player Profile: miked26339 (tribe changes)
P~1 Smile! 30th March 2009 - 10:00:01 96,473
Smile! !TL$! 07th June 2009 - 22:00:01 566,168
!TL$! CBTF 06th July 2009 - 04:00:02 982,992
So, Concrete, these "inactive players" that we capped soooo many easy villages from were, as it turns out, two of those that precipitated this very war! Ironic - you recruited some fugitives, we told you it was a mistake, it started a war; and now, when we are taking said fugitives out, its meaningless. Then again...
MoreTWStats said:
Flyairth (247|207) K22 8,757 Vilthuril [CBTF] macready08 [THE] 03rd August 2009 - 22:25:26
Verock (248|234) K22 8,004 Vilthuril [CBTF] macready08 [THE] 03rd August 2009 - 20:20:49
Stonecrop (251|204) K22 8,743 Vilthuril [CBTF] macready08 [THE] 03rd August 2009 - 17:19:14
Efrafa (246|237) K22 9,399 Vilthuril [CBTF] macready08 [THE] 03rd August 2009 - 17:08:22
U Hrair (249|248) K22 8,991 Vilthuril [CBTF] macready08 [THE] 03rd August 2009 - 16:46:30
MAC (234|233) K22 9,260 Vilthuril [CBTF] macready08 [THE] 03rd August 2009 - 15:52:28
Chyrapcha (257|218) K22 9,186 rockmitch Vilthuril [CBTF] 15th July 2009 - 09:56:26
So both the guys Vilth planned to use and Vilth himself are being taken out. Although, its still pretty darned early to say this is anything more than a meager blip to Vilth. He's pretty big, and it'll take more than this to take him down. Furthermore, I'll credit some of this success to a
true surprise factor - MacReady08 is new to THE, is ex-CBTF, and joined precisely because of this policy of "recruit recruit recruit." We screened him carefully, interviewed him in detail, and ultimately accepted his application to join us based on his merits - unlike, as others have, the fact that he had villages to serve as a meat shield.
Buuuut...Its funny you mentioned Mike D, Renegade. In fact, let me dig around for oonneeeee...
TWStatsS'more said:
DUMDUM C41 (342|319) K33 9,617 miked26339 [CBTF] Lady Kathrine [THE] 03rd August 2009 - 22:22:42
DUMDUM B131 (357|275) K23 10,380 miked26339 [CBTF] eric0324 [THE] 03rd August 2009 - 21:12:12
*M06* (356|276) K23 10,041 miked26339 [CBTF] niklam [THE] 03rd August 2009 - 18:51:15
DUMDUM C1 (345|317) K33 9,560 miked26339 [CBTF] Lady Kathrine [THE] 03rd August 2009 - 18:27:52
K33 M51 (345|320) K33 9,583 miked26339 [CBTF] Lady Kathrine [THE] 03rd August 2009 - 15:13:32
*M05* (355|275) K23 10,044 miked26339 [CBTF] niklam [THE] 03rd August 2009 - 14:55:59
K23 D12 (341|319) K33 9,398 miked26339 [CBTF] Lady Kathrine [THE] 03rd August 2009 - 06:45:23
K33 L32 (346|317) K33 10,210 miked26339 [CBTF] Lady Kathrine [THE] 03rd August 2009 - 05:02:13
K33 E41 (340|321) K33 9,097 miked26339 [CBTF] Lady Kathrine [THE] 03rd August 2009 - 04:59:45
Make Love Like Donky Kong #7 (340|285) K23 10,016 miked26339 [CBTF] Bamsefar [THE] 03rd August 2009 - 00:03:10
K33 L32 (346|317) K33 10,198 miked26339 [CBTF] miked26339 [CBTF] 02nd August 2009 - 22:14:27
K33 L32 (346|317) K33 10,198 Lady Kathrine [THE] miked26339 [CBTF] 02nd August 2009 - 21:04:08
K33 L32 (346|317) K33 10,198 miked26339 [CBTF] Lady Kathrine [THE] 02nd August 2009 - 20:21:07
K33 L32 (346|317) K33 10,177 Lady Kathrine [THE] miked26339 [CBTF] 02nd August 2009 - 16:18:48
K33 L32 (346|317) K33 10,243 miked26339 [CBTF] Lady Kathrine [THE] 02nd August 2009 - 12:09:57
Make Love Like Donky Kong #6 (336|284) K23 9,670 miked26339 [CBTF] Bamsefar [THE] 02nd August 2009 - 11:27:57
DUMDUM B132 (358|275) K23 9,438 miked26339 [CBTF] miked26339 [CBTF] 02nd August 2009 - 10:52:16
DUMDUM B132 (358|275) K23 9,474 niklam [THE] miked26339 [CBTF] 02nd August 2009 - 09:38:02
K33 D24 (343|318) K33 9,710 miked26339 [CBTF] Lady Kathrine [THE] 02nd August 2009 - 00:14:06
*M04* (355|273) K23 9,840 miked26339 [CBTF] niklam [THE] 01st August 2009 - 22:13:56
K33 F24 (338|323) K33 9,640 miked26339 [CBTF] Lady Kathrine [THE] 01st August 2009 - 19:12:45
DUMDUM B132 (358|275) K23 9,771 miked26339 [CBTF] niklam [THE] 01st August 2009 - 10:07:41
*M02* (357|271) K23 9,660 miked26339 [CBTF] niklam [THE] 01st August 2009 - 09:20:41
*M03* (358|270) K23 9,976 miked26339 [CBTF] niklam [THE] 01st August 2009 - 08:47:20
CNC69 - 4 (352|309) K33 9,923 miked26339 [CBTF] TangoTemptress [THE] 01st August 2009 - 04:03:36
CNC69 - 5 (352|311) K33 10,585 miked26339 [CBTF] TangoTemptress [THE] 31st July 2009 - 20:17:35
CNC69 - 3 (335|307) K33 5,348 miked26339 [CBTF] TangoTemptress [THE] 31st July 2009 - 20:02:35
CNC69 - 1 (348|316) K33 9,947 miked26339 [CBTF] TangoTemptress [THE] 31st July 2009 - 16:26:03
CNC69 - 2 (345|316) K33 9,622 miked26339 [CBTF] TangoTemptress [THE] 31st July 2009 - 16:24:11
habbukak (350|315) K33 10,060 miked26339 [CBTF] TangoTemptress [THE] 17th July 2009 - 13:46:15
habbukak (350|315) K33 10,299 jillibeam [SH] miked26339 [CBTF] 16th July 2009 - 22:56:34
DUMDUM B133 (355|278) K23 9,611 RJJK [THE] miked26339 [CBTF] 15th July 2009 - 08:14:15
DUMDUM C81 (352|312) K33 9,450 miked26339 [CBTF] TangoTemptress [THE] 15th July 2009 - 03:21:50
DUMDUM C81 (352|312) K33 9,524 TangoTemptress [THE] miked26339 [CBTF] 14th July 2009 - 12:00:51
DUMDUM C81 (352|312) K33 9,524 miked26339 [CBTF] TangoTemptress [THE] 14th July 2009 - 11:01:10
K33 F24 (338|323) K33 9,479 Lady Kathrine [THE] miked26339 [CBTF] 12th July 2009 - 09:56:03
K33 F24 (338|323) K33 9,463 miked26339 [CBTF] Lady Kathrine [THE] 12th July 2009 - 04:59:00
K33 F24 (338|323) K33 9,463 Lady Kathrine [THE] miked26339 [CBTF] 12th July 2009 - 02:32:25
K33 D24 (343|318) K33 9,402 Lady Kathrine [THE] miked26339 [CBTF] 11th July 2009 - 15:02:38
DUMDUM B131 (357|275) K23 10,415 mannievb miked26339 [CBTF] 10th July 2009 - 06:04:42
Y'know, while I'll give MikeD credit for having the gumption to hit Kathrine first, I'd say we've taken a fairly sizable chunk out of him! While its still qualified as a "blip," its a serious one. Its potentially destabilizing. And, most of all, its downright embarrassing that the stats weren't checked before words were slung. So what were those rhetorical points of yours again?
Recruiting these guys was a good move.
- Clearly not the case, since we've taken a trio of 'em to the shed. Two are now being publicly written off as losses, and one - who is, admittedly, fighting very well! - is on the ropes with some broken limbs. Oh, and we're capping some vils from the very guy who posted this war notice. Oh, and the guy doing so is an excellent player that left precisely because of the policy in question. In short, it cannot possibly be proven anymore inaccurate.
THE defeating inactives means nothing.
- Well, besides the obviously successful public suicide of CBTF leadership's credibility as strategic thinkers, as outlined above, we are gaining territory at a rapid rate, allowing us new villages from which to construct nobles and defensive brigades. At the same time, CBTF is suffering losses both in terms of territory and morale. The losses incurred by the new recruits (refugees) cannot possibly help your command structure remain intact; instead, it likely makes it harder for your players to willingly stand against us. As well it should.
THE isn't as skilled as we thought.
- Possibly true, possibly not. We're fighting a two front war. You are, or at least were (EreVos, anyone?) fighting a one-front one. Now, whether or not we proved ourselves right with regards to your allies/former allies doesn't mean a thing when compared to the way EreVos and CBTF are having little to no tangible effect against us. We are still #1; our margin has even grown. Our ODD and ODA are both #1, making us the overall #1 for offense and defense. Most importantly, we have
continued to take territory at your expense. Perhaps we aren't as skilled as we would like to be, but THE has always placed a premium on the pursuit of perfection. We will never be perfect - we will strive to become as close to it as possible.
THE isn't our primary area of focus.
- Ahh, my final and favorite, introduced by Renegade. My friend, let me be plain here for a second - what? Puiupuiu is under a heavy attack, which tells me he damn well
is your focus. But perhaps he isn't - then who is? EreVos? Hey, if so, great! You guys knock each other out, we'll just pick up your villages along the way. You aren't getting out of this war scott free. There is a price to be paid for crossing us - and until we are satisfied, things will get worse. The next surrender package you ask for and are offered will not be as gentle as the last that you turned down; it will be harsher...
...But wait, I'm off topic. On-topic, even if we are not your primary focus, and even if for the moment we are focusing on you, so what? Again, we are fighting a two-front war. We are not fighting this war to please you; we are fighting it for our own pleasures, and will fight it on our own pace. Does it really matter to us if you die today or tomorrow? Or does it only matter to you?
Look. Not for nothin', and with all due respect, but you're missing the point of this war
entirely. You began it by incessantly recruiting rubbish. We told you it was rubbish, you insisted on crossing us. Fine. Now, your tribe is paying the penalty for that. Rather than doing the honorable thing and acting in public as you have in private, you've elected to put on a tough face and talk trash while dancing around in the back rooms, hoping we'd, what? See you as a useful pawn against EreVos? I don't know if you've noticed, but we're not having a hard time with them. We're having a rather easy time, in fact, with
both of you. Until this changes,
if this changes, I would suggest you be less confrontational in public. Stop squawking like a duck caught between the jowls of a crocodile; its unbecoming of a tribe with a far greater pedigree than its acting.
Cliffs
- They say our inactive capping doesn't matter.
- We remind them that these inactives started this war.
- We also remind them that they're losing this war, not us.
- We throw a bunch of numbers up to prove it.
- They...Post back, probably, heedless of how bad they have it.