ThePr0phet (Dan)/Jaffe...Flame here

[DeletedUser]

I'd honestly have to check the stats for you and jaffe if i could ever do such a thing in a non tedious way which i doubt i could but perhaps tiredness is fogging my brain, should i find time i might do just that

On a separate but similar note i think you owe me is 6 or 7 villages? i know its a small number anyways from the SP days

:lol: look what i found much easier than i thought i could...


Village Points Old Owner New Owner Date/Time
Barbarian village (395|663) K63 9,569 jaffe25 [AXE] siddhartha96 [TSoH] 2010-02-08 01:28:25
AXE (455|693) K64 9,574 jaffe25 [AXE] siddhartha96 [TSoH] 2010-02-02 03:38:17
!WAR! (441|711) K74 9,823 jaffe25 [AXE] siddhartha96 [TSoH] 2010-02-01 04:33:43
!WAR! (440|711) K74 9,161 jaffe25 [AXE] siddhartha96 [TSoH] 2010-01-31 22:19:28
!WAR! (442|712) K74 10,215 jaffe25 [AXE] siddhartha96 [TSoH] 2010-01-31 19:14:39
AXE (454|691) K64 9,421 jaffe25 [AXE] siddhartha96 [TSoH] 2010-01-30 22:46:09
AXE (454|689) K64 9,043 jaffe25 [AXE] siddhartha96 [TSoH] 2010-01-30 20:09:04
..TsoH (446|715) K74 9,665 jaffe25 [AXE] siddhartha96 [TSoH] 2010-01-30 18:59:04
AXE (454|687) K64 9,043 jaffe25 [AXE] siddhartha96 [TSoH] 2010-01-30 10:08:07
AXE (454|690) K64 9,555 jaffe25 [AXE] siddhartha96 [TSoH] 2010-01-30 02:47:54
AXE (455|690) K64 9,481 jaffe25 [AXE] siddhartha96 [TSoH] 2010-01-30 00:25:00
AXE (455|689) K64 9,432 jaffe25 [AXE] siddhartha96 [TSoH] 2010-01-29 05:28:03
..TSoH (450|716) K74 9,258 jaffe25 [AXE] siddhartha96 [TSoH] 2010-01-27 21:16:53
xXxICExXx (459|687) K64 9,043 jaffe25 [AXE] siddhartha96 [TSoH] 2010-01-26 03:43:25
xXxICExXx (460|687) K64 9,055 jaffe25 [AXE] siddhartha96 [TSoH] 2010-01-26 01:47:55
xXxICExXx (457|685) K64 9,404 jaffe25 [AXE] siddhartha96 [TSoH] 2010-01-25 22:42:27
xXxICExXx (458|685) K64 9,458 jaffe25 [AXE] siddhartha96 [TSoH] 2010-01-25 20:50:52
xXxICExXx (458|686) K64 9,768 jaffe25 [AXE] siddhartha96 [TSoH] 2010-01-25 20:29:24
xXxICExXx (462|686) K64 8,946 jaffe25 [AXE] siddhartha96 [TSoH] 2010-01-25 04:48:10
xXxICExXx (463|686) K64 8,690 jaffe25 [AXE] siddhartha96 [TSoH] 2010-01-25 02:18:09
xXxICExXx (463|687) K64 9,043 jaffe25 [AXE] siddhartha96 [TSoH] 2010-01-24 20:40:23
xXxICExXx (462|687) K64 9,043 jaffe25 [AXE] siddhartha96 [TSoH] 2010-01-24 18:01:15
xXxICExXx (460|684) K64 8,946 jaffe25 [AXE] siddhartha96 [TSoH] 2010-01-24 06:21:14
xXxICExXx (461|685) K64 9,555 jaffe25 [AXE] siddhartha96 [TSoH] 2010-01-24 03:58:40
xXxICExXx (461|684) K64 8,946 jaffe25 [AXE] siddhartha96 [TSoH] 2010-01-24 03:14:21
xXxICExXx (462|684) K64 9,053 jaffe25 [AXE] siddhartha96 [TSoH] 2010-01-23 23:10:22
xXxICExXx (460|685) K64 9,043 jaffe25 [AXE] siddhartha96 [TSoH] 2010-01-23 22:34:14
xXxICExXx (462|683) K64 8,878 jaffe25 [AXE] siddhartha96 [TSoH] 2010-01-23 20:54:39
xXxICExXx (460|682) K64 9,555 jaffe25 [AXE] siddhartha96 [TSoH] 2010-01-23 05:59:37
xXxICExXx (465|683) K64 9,023 jaffe25 [AXE] siddhartha96 [TSoH] 2010-01-23 04:27:36
xXxICExXx (464|684) K64 9,419 jaffe25 [AXE] siddhartha96 [TSoH] 2010-01-23 03:43:50
xXxICExXx (463|682) K64 9,555 jaffe25 [AXE] siddhartha96 [TSoH] 2010-01-22 20:08:34
xXxICExXx (464|679) K64 9,390 jaffe25 [AXE] siddhartha96 [TSoH] 2010-01-22 18:38:06
AXE (385|626) K63 9,763 jaffe25 [AXE] siddhartha96 [Sadist] 2008-10-28 15:52:28
AXE (386|627) K63 9,936 jaffe25 [AXE] siddhartha96 [Sadist] 2008-10-28 15:12:57

 

[DeletedUser64451]

Yeah I think I got five from you at once, not sure if I was able to get any more after that...might have picked off a few here and there, I know wakasm and I pretty much made a living out of short range nobling once we got established there

Can we get infracted for not flaming in a flame thread?

 

[xannash]

Your not half the leader, so others followed US, and not YOU.

Maybe I'm just fooling myself...but I think that if I hadn't taken a 4 month sabbatical that I would have had a stronger voice in keeping people from going...maybe I'm just thinking too highly of myself

...the edit was to fix spelling...

 

[Krazymoefoe]

I think if someone didn't decide to boot certain people there wouldn't been a need to talk anyone from leaving. ^^

 

[DeletedUser64451]

Maybe I'm just fooling myself...but I think that if I hadn't taken a 4 month sabbatical that I would have had a stronger voice in keeping people from going...maybe I'm just thinking too highly of myself

...the edit was to fix spelling...

I think that's kinda the point though xan...i know why you left and i certainly dont have a problem with it, but the point is you cant lead if you're not there. i know jaffe's personal life got really interesting at about the same time...but jaffe had several opportunities to take the helm when boozie ducked out (again, quite often, and with reason) but never did anything more than send out a mass mailing or two...which as i see is about all he's done this year as well.

I understand that people get married, have children, move, change jobs, and otherwise have moments in which TW just flat isn't a concern. Most people when they are away admit that they haven't done anything for the tribe lately (like you and boozie have done). jaffe has made no such concession...he'll admit he's been gone when he gets nobled, but other than that not so much :lol:

 

[DeletedUser]

Maybe I'm just fooling myself...but I think that if I hadn't taken a 4 month sabbatical that I would have had a stronger voice in keeping people from going...maybe I'm just thinking too highly of myself

...the edit was to fix spelling...

Id almost defiently agree. I dont think anyone from any side has ever said anything bad about you. Like Sid said though, Sometimes RL tempoarily pulls us away from the game, and right then you werent the most active you have been. So I think at that point in time, most people chose to follow the more active leaders and probably also looked forward to the challenge and opportunity ahead (yeah yeah I know it failed)

But the fact remains a tribe that does not have a clear duke who acts like a duke, is gonna run into trouble sonner or later for a variety of reasons...

 

[xannash]

Id almost defiently agree. I dont think anyone from any side has ever said anything bad about you. Like Sid said though, Sometimes RL tempoarily pulls us away from the game, and right then you werent the most active you have been. So I think at that point in time, most people chose to follow the more active leaders and probably also looked forward to the challenge and opportunity ahead (yeah yeah I know it failed)

But the fact remains a tribe that does not have a clear duke who acts like a duke, is gonna run into trouble sonner or later for a variety of reasons...

I don't hold a grudge though. You guys made your decision and I made mine. It happened. I won't lie, I'm glad that you failed though it kind of makes it all worth it to me

 

[DeletedUser]

I generally try not to interrupt, but for this, I have to. No, that is not how we pronounce it -_-

amanda, hun, you have heard my accent, and yes that is how i pronounce it as well...my accent as you know is extremely thick

Edit....

I wanted to add something else..

After boozie left for a little while AXE was not the same AXE as before, and i know, i sat accounts in there long enough to know..AXE at one point had some of the best team work i have seen on w15, it was even better than that of TSoH..this is not a slam against anyone who chose to stay in AXE, but many of us chose to merge into TATS due to the friendships of the players in both tribes and due to the fact that we were having an inactive leadership problem, was it the right move to make, no..it was a mistake and we all have to learn from those mistakes

Boozie was what made AXE, without Boozie it was like AXE lost its flare, its zest...i also still say, had things not made boozie step away the south would be way different and i think TSoH and AXE would both still be as strong, boozie was good at coming up with ways to pull a rabbit out of the hat..and im fairly certain he would have helped us pull our rabbit out of our hat..i maybe wrong though, i dont know, and i often am

 

[DeletedUser]

boozie is not pulling me out of a hat again >.<
well not intill he cleans it, its *shivers* horrible in his hat =S

 

[DeletedUser]

amanda, hun, you have heard my accent, and yes that is how i pronounce it as well...my accent as you know is extremely thick

Edit....

I wanted to add something else..

After boozie left for a little while AXE was not the same AXE as before, and i know, i sat accounts in there long enough to know..AXE at one point had some of the best team work i have seen on w15, it was even better than that of TSoH..this is not a slam against anyone who chose to stay in AXE, but many of us chose to merge into TATS due to the friendships of the players in both tribes and due to the fact that we were having an inactive leadership problem, was it the right move to make, no..it was a mistake and we all have to learn from those mistakes

Boozie was what made AXE, without Boozie it was like AXE lost its flare, its zest...i also still say, had things not made boozie step away the south would be way different and i think TSoH and AXE would both still be as strong, boozie was good at coming up with ways to pull a rabbit out of the hat..and im fairly certain he would have helped us pull our rabbit out of our hat..i maybe wrong though, i dont know, and i often am

I disagree. I have always felt what made AXE the best tribe ever in w15 (without a doubt imho) was the perfect mix of boozies and jaffes way of leadership. Boozie with the hammer and jaffe with the gentle touch. I have actually seen this kind of mix in rl leadership and the was working out well there as well, even thou this was in a small sport organization. I do have to confess I have been gone for quite some time during the period when sid and danz ruined AXE, so I can't tell much about what happened then.

 

[DeletedUser]

.i maybe wrong though, i dont know, and i often am

Your actually correct this time, suprisingly enough :icon_razz:

although, I think Boozie will have to pull a elephant out of the hat to get out of this mess though :icon_neutral:

 

[DeletedUser]

I disagree. I have always felt what made AXE the best tribe ever in w15 (without a doubt imho) was the perfect mix of boozies and jaffes way of leadership. Boozie with the hammer and jaffe with the gentle touch. I have actually seen this kind of mix in rl leadership and the was working out well there as well, even thou this was in a small sport organization. I do have to confess I have been gone for quite some time during the period when sid and danz ruined AXE, so I can't tell much about what happened then.

then why is it that every time boozie took any sort of leave from leadership AXE began to show stress signs....im not knocking Jaffe, but Boozie was the stronger leader, and without the stronger leader the empire began to crumble

 

[DeletedUser]

yeah but jaffe wasn't an ass?

-sere

 

[DeletedUser]

hehehe...he can be, yes...but we all can be at times

 

[DeletedUser]

then why is it that every time boozie took any sort of leave from leadership AXE began to show stress signs....im not knocking Jaffe, but Boozie was the stronger leader, and without the stronger leader the empire began to crumble

As I said, when they were both there they were a great team imo. I think they are good leaders going solo as well but working together they are better. To answer your question...unloyal members maybe? A tribe with loyal members who know what has to be done can keep going, even if the big bosses of some reason need to be gone for a while . And as it seems, there were members who at least considered them self good enough to lead a tribe, they should have been able to keep AXE on track if they were.

 

[DeletedUser]

To answer your question...unloyal members maybe?

your exactly right. And this is the thing that you and most others fail to grasp. Look at the reasons for those people ever becoming 'unloyal' in the first place. Did Tsoh have loyalty problems? No. Did/do Exile? No. Did tH? No.

They became unloyal and disatisfied with the situation because they werent happy with what they were getting. When Boozie was around, there was clear leadership, and clear direction. We lost that when we lost Boozie and the 'duke' (by title) failed to continue that leadership and direction, and hence lost the loyalty.

A tribe with loyal members who know what has to be done can keep going, even if the big bosses of some reason need to be gone for a while . And as it seems, there were members who at least considered them self good enough to lead a tribe, they should have been able to keep AXE on track if they were.

I dont know about others, but im only loyal to a leader if he acts like a leader should do and proves himself. Probably explains why I wasnt the slightest bit loyal to Jaffe, but was happy to follow Sid.

To use your sports analogy. If you had an assistant coach who helped you, tried to improve the team, organised your games and general items and put effort into the job, then there was the head coach who basically just left the assistant coach to do the work while he did not much of anything. Which coach would you want coaching your team if you had to make a choice???

Sure some would stay with the head coach due to long term friendships. But most in pursuit of something better and higher, would join the assistant coach

 

[DeletedUser]

your exactly right. And this is the thing that you and most others fail to grasp. Look at the reasons for those people ever becoming 'unloyal' in the first place. Did Tsoh have loyalty problems? No. Did/do Exile? No. Did tH? No.

They became unloyal and disatisfied with the situation because they werent happy with what they were getting. When Boozie was around, there was clear leadership, and clear direction. We lost that when we lost Boozie and the 'duke' (by title) failed to continue that leadership and direction, and hence lost the loyalty.

I dont know about others, but im only loyal to a leader if he acts like a leader should do and proves himself. Probably explains why I wasnt the slightest bit loyal to Jaffe, but was happy to follow Sid.

To use your sports analogy. If you had an assistant coach who helped you, tried to improve the team, organised your games and general items and put effort into the job, then there was the head coach who basically just left the assistant coach to do the work while he did not much of anything. Which coach would you want coaching your team if you had to make a choice???

Sure some would stay with the head coach due to long term friendships. But most in pursuit of something better and higher, would join the assistant coach

If that leader is an old friend in game and he got his reason to be less active then what is needed I would rather stay trying to do my part and little more to keep the tribe on top. And exactly how did sid act as a leader when it was such a failure, even thou it was the "best" guys you could scrape up from w15, or at least handpicked for being good and active?

I didn't have to make the choice of coach as there were no need to. I only used that analogy to comment about the leader structure and the mix of personalities that can work out really good. And even thou one of them wouldn't do what is asked from him he would lose his job. But I really doubt I would have to see half the team letting the other half down. And if the "good" coach anyway split the team and make another, and then failing miserable, I'm sure he wouldn't go to forums or papers to flaim the one still having a team trying to move on.

 

[DeletedUser]

If that leader is an old friend in game and he got his reason to be less active then what is needed I would rather stay trying to do my part and little more to keep the tribe on top. And exactly how did sid act as a leader when it was such a failure, even thou it was the "best" guys you could scrape up from w15, or at least handpicked for being good and active?

And again, you completely fail to see the situation as it happened. Im not talking about Sid as a leader in TATS.

If Sid wasnt around, Axe wouldve gone into cruise mode. There probably wouldve been no war with Exile, I dont even know what the next war wouldve been (apart from the centuries old DA one that no one can or will win).

so if he had his reasons for being inactive, that fine. Ive hoped accounts a bit and passed mine on instead of letting them just sit idle and that our own choice. BUT, he shouldve appointed someone to make decisions and had confidence in them instead of disrupting any progress at nearly every opportunity he had. If he had no confidence in the barons he shouldve demoted the council and put in place a council he had confidence in and with whom he trusted their decision making ability.

Thats kinda what I thought a good leader wouldve done anyway, but im sure you'll have a misinformed answer for me all the same