Time Vs FiG

[DeletedUser]

Well portality was doruks i remember before i left also those 2 i have no clue who invited them. I am not playing anymore but i still keep it touch with some of time and if a leader ditchs you it will take some times to get things running good again.

Portality lol hes a pretty weird little sad person, his mail he sent to people was " i am a spy on every world i play and a very good one " bla bla theres more but it just makes him look like an even bigger joke lol.

basicly he spys on every world he goes lol does he not have any morales in real life is he also a grass on everyone lol.

For once...we agree on something.

 

[monsterbro]

I dont know how you can call it even, most of the stuff that has happend so far is all doruk's doing then from what i see he just turned round and quit left people in the crap, also osviux i quit that account gave it to someone called kaspars when doruk was put in charge as i did not like or think doruk would be a good leader. " I was right all along from what actually did happen.

And as doruk up and left them in the crap it would obv take them a little while to get back on there feet, also if you want kaspars skype ill give you it lol hes an idiot was told he could handle under pressure instead he takes account for 2 - 3 days then vanishs for 3 days leaving account to be destroyed. when for a fact there was enough troops on that account to destroy/snipe anything you threw at it.

Anyway i dont believe it will be so even give it a week fig will be hurting, takes time to right the ship when the so called leader ups and quits tells no one and still has not shown his face.

There was enough troops on the account? i was the first one to start doing damage and he didnt even have full villages

 

[DeletedUser]

There was enough troops on the acocunt i was the first one to start doing damage and he didnt even have full villages

I took three villages off of the osviux account:
Incoming Trouble (10) (628|462) K46 9,805 Osviux [Time] trouble. [FiG] 2012-01-18 23:30:32
Incoming trouble (09) (623|463) K46 6,652 Osviux [Time] trouble. [FiG] 2012-01-18 04:50:57
Incoming Trouble (08) (625|451) K46 6,350 Osviux [Time] trouble. [FiG] 2012-01-14 05:26:30

Yet i lost only 1 train and 1.5 of a nuke:icon_redface:. Not exactly what i would call "destroying anything thrown at it" now is it??:lol:

 

[monsterbro]

Thanks to my help you got those villages haha

 

[DeletedUser]

I took three villages off of the osviux account:
Incoming Trouble (10) (628|462) K46 9,805 Osviux [Time] trouble. [FiG] 2012-01-18 23:30:32
Incoming trouble (09) (623|463) K46 6,652 Osviux [Time] trouble. [FiG] 2012-01-18 04:50:57
Incoming Trouble (08) (625|451) K46 6,350 Osviux [Time] trouble. [FiG] 2012-01-14 05:26:30

Yet i lost only 1 train and 1.5 of a nuke:icon_redface:. Not exactly what i would call "destroying anything thrown at it" now is it??:lol:

Did you even read what i said from your stupid post dont seem like it, i said it had enough troops on it to destroy anything thrown at it "not that it did destroy anything thrown at it" if the guy who took over was not an idiot.

Kind of like your post was idiotic.

 

[DeletedUser52670]

Good luck to both sides although I think it is expected that Time will take this one. What happened to FiG before this was declared anyhow ... they've generally been disappearing. Who have they joined with? Did Time do a similar thing to Shave / Speechless?

 

[DeletedUser]

I guess the reason we didn't declare publicly was probably because our leader was AWOL and we were reorganizing. Headless and riddled with new recruits, and with a full time spy for FiG among them, we had better things to do.

That spy was probably our biggest failure. Someone boasted earlier that our nukes hit stacks. Well... You had a spy. Good job. Mad skills. Easy to stack when you know where the attack will land before it's even launched. And Boasting about chrisrow, osvius and Doruk... They either hit delete or went inactive as the gauntlet dropped. I guess you can be proud of nobling 20 villages off a player that isn't playing.... I don't know WHY you would be proud. But they certainly inflate your numbers. So. Congrats.

Now, we've trimmed our membership, our leadership is in place, and the stats are starting to even out.

And Oh. My. God. Some of the reports I've seen posted in our forums from FiG's newb players make my eyes bleed. I almost think that people from the FiG side think us Timeies won't post back... Or don't know how much chaff they have. I'm cool with that.

Side 1:
Tribes: Time
Side 2:
Tribes: FiG

Timeframe: Forever

Total conquers:

Side 1: 582
Side 2: 212
Difference: 370

Total conquers against opposite side:

Side 1: 23
Side 2: 21
Difference: 2

Points value of total conquers:

Side 1: 2,539,452
Side 2: 863,126
Difference: 1,676,326

Points value of total conquers against opposite side:

Side 1: 146,073
Side 2: 140,032
Difference: 6,041

 

[alexwong]

Months ago, I would think TIME leadership was decent. That's when the original account owners of TheSilentType and Vorodor were still around.

I can't say that for Doruk, jacochesh and others. Maybe they are good players with experience, good coordinators, good organisers... but when comes to leadership, mediocre at best.

But FiG are so much worse. These are the tribes that make TIME look better than they really are.

Maybe because of the foundation laid down by the founders.
Maybe because of the early strategy adapted by the founders.
Maybe because the local tribes are so much worse than TIME.
Whatever the reasons are, TIME will still dominate the northeast.

Win the server?

Forget it. Waste my time.

 

[DeletedUser]

Months ago, I would think TIME leadership was decent. That's when the original account owners of TheSilentType and Vorodor were still around.

I can't say that for Doruk, jacochesh and others. Maybe they are good players with experience, good coordinators, good organisers... but when comes to leadership, mediocre at best.

But FiG are so much worse. These are the tribes that make TIME look better than they really are.

Maybe because of the foundation laid down by the founders.
Maybe because of the early strategy adapted by the founders.
Maybe because the local tribes are so much worse than TIME.
Whatever the reasons are, TIME will still dominate the northeast.

Win the server?

Forget it. Waste my time.

Yet they still vanished or left and left " doruk in charge saying he will be a amazing leader " so they did good to start but ultimately failed.

How can you class shelly on the same boat as doruk shes had the reins for what a week, so far from what everyone elce has said is doing a good job.

could you do any better i think not.

 

[DeletedUser]

First off, i would like to say that i am not replying to flame... i hate reading threads which turn into one accusing another. Going to try and be respectful. I hope you do the same and realize that what I am saying is in my opinion and what i see/hear as a tribe member with no leadership position

Did you even read what i said from your stupid post dont seem like it, i said it had enough troops on it to destroy anything thrown at it "not that it did destroy anything thrown at it" if the guy who took over was not an idiot.

Kind of like your post was idiotic.

Because my previous post was both "stupid" and "idiotic" i will try to clarify. You expressed that there was a large troop count, and i expressed that if there was, it didnt completely stop me (I admit losing what i did slowed me). Simple as that. For whatever reason a 40,000 point player (with some help) was able to take 3 villages off of a 120,000 point player (numbers approximate). Be it poor skill on his part, not being online to tag trains from rams, or just not playing the account at all. I have nothing else to say about this as perhaps i was gloating a little too much:icon_redface:. If you want an apology i will give one......:icon_rolleyes:

Good luck to both sides although I think it is expected that Time will take this one. What happened to FiG before this was declared anyhow ... they've generally been disappearing. Who have they joined with? Did Time do a similar thing to Shave / Speechless?

Time will tell what happens (no pun intended). But being about 1/3rd their size definitely gives time an advantage. As for disappearing I would need clarification on what you mean, however assuming that you mean players had left, its a good way to lead into your shave/..... reference. IMO, Time wants/wanted to expand south (into K46) to get a foothold they recruited some of the top players in the K from at first prey, then later fig. Saving you the details prey/hunt/fig merged (safety in numbers i assume as all three had less than 25 members if memory serves me right) and conflict between the two tribes was inevitable. Perhaps similar to shave/.... , but I know that there was some bad blood between prey and time on a personal level.
But no, Fig has done anything but fade since the start of the war, and is welcoming the challenge (as seen in the fairly even war stats)

That spy was probably our biggest failure. Someone boasted earlier that our nukes hit stacks. Well... You had a spy. Good job. Mad skills. Easy to stack when you know where the attack will land before it's even launched. And Boasting about chrisrow, osvius and Doruk... They either hit delete or went inactive as the gauntlet dropped. I guess you can be proud of nobling 20 villages off a player that isn't playing.... I don't know WHY you would be proud. But they certainly inflate your numbers. So. Congrats.

Now, we've trimmed our membership, our leadership is in place, and the stats are starting to even out.

And Oh. My. God. Some of the reports I've seen posted in our forums from FiG's newb players make my eyes bleed. I almost think that people from the FiG side think us Timeies won't post back... Or don't know how much chaff they have. I'm cool with that.

Why would we be proud of making 2 of the members you recruited quit? Quite simply, moral. Generally speaking, if an average tribe member logs in see that the player with the top points in the tribe has left to join the enemy, it begins to worry you. At the same time, if the same member logs in the next morning to then see leadership has organized fake scripts etc. for the member that has left, your spirits brighten. Finally if a few days later that player, who has participated by sending fakes etc., notices that their target has quit and the villages are being snatched up by your tribe, that player becomes inspired.
Now repeat that for osviux.... And imagine how it feels to know that the leader of the opposing tribe went barb. (for whatever reason)
Call it moral, call it momentum. Whatever it is, you suddenly are not as afraid anymore. Stupid? then why go writing a PnP with the intentions to make the tribe you declared on look bad?

Hey man, spies are spies. Nothing you can do about that... Except close your recruitment during war time (especially to the tribe that you are attacking) :icon_idea:

Stats have indeed levelled out due to what i would want to call an op, but I wont because that would bring up the discussion on how sloppy it was. Seriously, no insults intended but it was a bunch of noble trains sent to mostly 1 of our members with no designated landing time

Mehh, you said it yourself... reports were about Fig's noob players... noobs will be noobs :icon_redface: just more villages for time to eat huh :icon_wink:


As for Alexwong's post, I do not think you are in a position to determine whether or not Fig leadership is strong/effective/brilliant or whatever the case may be. We have also gone through leadership change and our tribe (which was a result of a three way merger) has been forced to work together almost immediately because of the time/fig conflict. So its not only time who had barriers to leap in order to get to where we are today
Yes the original time leadership was outstanding, but they are no longer around. Yes doruk left you guys hanging, but he is no longer around either. We all got to move on...

So much worse.... and yet the war stats are even....:icon_rolleyes:
And common man, just because your ranked 5th, you dont have to rub in the fact that you are currently the dominant tribe in the NE :icon_redface:

 

[monsterbro]

I love hwo you talk about spies when you had 2 spies within Fig

 

[DeletedUser]

The new TIME leadership has been in place a little over a week. Alexwong just noticed that Vorodor was gone. So his opinion means very little as he was oblivious as to what was going on internally both prior to the old leadership and now during the new leadership.

Bottomline is only TIME will tell (pun intended) how the new leadership is.

With that being said i'd much rather spend my time watching the NYG win in overtime, then waste it posting on here

 

[DeletedUser]

I guess the reason we didn't declare publicly was probably because our leader was AWOL and we were reorganizing. Headless and riddled with new recruits, and with a full time spy for FiG among them, we had better things to do.

The new TIME leadership has been in place a little over a week. ...

Beginning of the war
on 15.01. at 03:35:01
Duration of war
8 days 2:43:26

So you were comfortable enough to declare in-game but couldn't find the time to post PnP? I mean it's cool to say so, we don't mind. Due to reorganizing or whatnot? And let's not get the times of the spy confused here:

FiG Time 16th January 2012 - 07:11:52 127,955
Time None 21st January 2012 - 19:12:35 155,737

That's a spy who joined a day after the war had already begun. And it's not like we weren't skirmishing before, after all.

That spy was probably our biggest failure. Someone boasted earlier that our nukes hit stacks. Well... You had a spy. Good job. Mad skills. Easy to stack when you know where the attack will land before it's even launched. And Boasting about chrisrow, osvius and Doruk... They either hit delete or went inactive as the gauntlet dropped. I guess you can be proud of nobling 20 villages off a player that isn't playing.... I don't know WHY you would be proud. But they certainly inflate your numbers. So. Congrats.

Strange, Osviux seemed to be around:

[spoil]Date Player Tribe Rank Points Villages OD ODA ODD
2012-01-23 Osviux None 2953. -2,636 =1 +1,122,144 =274,516 +847,628
2012-01-22 Osviux None 2790. -2,892 -1 +1,114,048 +274,516 +839,532
2012-01-21 Osviux None 876. -17,895 -3 +1,030,743 +265,195 +765,548
2012-01-20 Osviux None 560. -34,965 -5 =942,904 =237,639 =705,265
2012-01-19 Osviux None 353. -59,960 -8 +942,904 =237,639 +705,265
2012-01-18 Osviux Time 262. -76,431 -10 +898,723 +237,639 +661,084
2012-01-17 Osviux Time 139. -120,700 =16 +787,335 +196,164 +591,171
2012-01-16 Osviux Time 133. +121,486 -16 +600,170 =180,689 +419,481
2012-01-15 Osviux Time 130. -121,425 -17 +417,094 +180,689 +236,405
2012-01-14 Osviux Time 109. -131,192 -18 +369,715 =180,565 +189,150
2012-01-13 Osviux Time 91. +138,000 =19 +358,246 =180,565 +177,681[/spoil]

That shows some pretty consistent growth, doesn't it? He did gain almost 100k ODA, didn't he? Or am I reading that wrong? He even tried a funny little recap that didn't end too well for him, and seemingly nobled himself twice. If you got the sit as I'm fairly sure you did, how can you complain that he wasn't playing? Your fault for not being better sitters :icon_wink::

[spoil] Village Points Old owner New owner Date/Time
Incoming trouble (09) (623|463) K46 6,652 Osviux [Time] Osviux [Time] 2012-01-17 20:36:59
Vlad 6189 (634|461) K46 8,821 Osviux [Time] Osviux [Time] 2012-01-17 05:00:04
k46-0022 (620|449) K46 6,240 Osviux [Time] Osviux [Time] 2012-01-16 23:28:22
k46-0022 (620|449) K46 6,240 Nobody Nightmare [FiG] Osviux [Time] 2012-01-15 01:12:27[/spoil]

Let's take a look at chrisrow1, who ironically was a spy for your tribe as well. Just trying to make sure you weren't trying to make us out to be the ones who started the whole "spy" affair, or say we had an unfair advantage. I mean, my spies aren't full-time :icon_wink:.

[spoil]2012-01-20 chrisrow1 None 3208. -2,339 -1 - - +1,100,929
2012-01-19 chrisrow1 None 871. -17,582 -3 +1,586,485 +497,498 +1,088,987
2012-01-18 chrisrow1 None 535. -35,668 -5 +1,524,959 +496,024 +1,028,935
2012-01-17 chrisrow1 None 317. -62,399 -8 +1,416,072 +435,603 +980,469
2012-01-16 chrisrow1 None 262. -73,450 -9 +1,290,023 =434,710 +855,313
2012-01-15 chrisrow1 Time 225. -83,097 -10 +1,267,406 +434,710 +832,696
2012-01-14 chrisrow1 Time 171. -98,416 -13 +1,168,374 +434,088 +734,286
2012-01-13 chrisrow1 Time 144. -105,754 =14 +1,068,227 +395,645 +672,582
2012-01-12 chrisrow1 Time 124. -110,684 -14 +852,343 +385,750 +466,593
2012-01-11 chrisrow1 Time 90. +131,590 +17 +374,359 +346,484 +27,875[/spoil]

Another guy with the same trend? How strange! It's almost like...no...it couldn't be! You guys don't defend well :icon_eek:? This is...horrific!

Now, we've trimmed our membership, our leadership is in place, and the stats are starting to even out.

Yeah, it's fairly easy to say that when the targets we op somehow end up not being countable in the operations, isn't it? Between operations, it does tend to be pretty easy for you :icon_biggrin:.

And Oh. My. God. Some of the reports I've seen posted in our forums from FiG's newb players make my eyes bleed. I almost think that people from the FiG side think us Timeies won't post back... Or don't know how much chaff they have. I'm cool with that.

You mean like the reports from hercules87? Yeah, they are pretty horrendous :icon_eek:.

You see, anyone can pull out some reports from either side. In the end, it comes down to tribal performance. Your tribe fights alone against a tribe less than half its size and does badly, and you have to try and twist stats to pull it. Good luck with that.

Months ago, I would think TIME leadership was decent. That's when the original account owners of TheSilentType and Vorodor were still around.

I can't say that for Doruk, jacochesh and others. Maybe they are good players with experience, good coordinators, good organisers... but when comes to leadership, mediocre at best.

But FiG are so much worse. These are the tribes that make TIME look better than they really are.

Maybe because of the foundation laid down by the founders.
Maybe because of the early strategy adapted by the founders.
Maybe because the local tribes are so much worse than TIME.
Whatever the reasons are, TIME will still dominate the northeast.

Win the server?

Forget it. Waste my time.

FiG are worse? Having seen both the inside of Time and inside of FiG, I can tell you that it's pretty easy to see that Time isn't well at heart. No offense to Shelly, who I absolutely <3 :icon_biggrin:, but she has better things to do with her time than defend Time, of all tribes :icon_wink:.

 

[DeletedUser]

I was going to reply to some of the rubbish thats been posted.....but it seems u6s5l beat me to it.


Meh, i shall not bother then. Just have to add, gotta love that little chestnut "they had already quit". Utter rubbish and any player worth their salt knows it.

ChrisRow got smashed, plain an simply. We nobled vills with support still incoming from 70hrs out. Yeh, that happens when someone quits. You stack vills with trains already imbound. Its a new tactic for TW - "Depicfending". Only a few know how it really works. Osvioux defended fake trains and left others open. Seems he couldnt react fast enough. The player may well have quit, but not before passing the sit to DMCD who then decided it wise to waste time internalling the account. Cracking job there.

And Doruk...well Doruk was at the very least a character.

 

[DeletedUser]

Gearhound - Your free to post all the stats you want, and your free not to include those your tribe decides to boot in an effort to save stats. If they think FiG will back off those players and allow them to become stacked and rebuild, then your mistaken.

Any player removed, will be nobled out as planned. And in my eyes, its just another player your tribe failed to defend, failed to support, and failed to be bothered about...

Guess thats what happens when you put recruitment before friendship. You have built your tribe on players that opted to run from their tribe than fight a war on their doorstep. You did it with Toxic, and you tried to do it with us.

And like i said to Doruk, eventually you'll find a tribe that doesnt crumble when a few people lose the bottle to fight and play the odds on survival. Fact is, those willing to run, arent worth having in the first place.

 

[alexwong]

I already expected much flaming after my last login. Let's keep the discussion going, less the trolling.

Let's talk about leadership in layman.

On a scale of 10, a player with 8 pts leadership skill will not follow someone with just 6 pts or below. I strongly believe leadership is about influencing, not about demanding or holding certain high position or working very hard.

So, in the case of TIME and maybe FiG, the leaders may have done a lot of things.
But if they can't lift up their leadership capabilities, they will have limitation in attracting strong players to work with them.

I expect some TIME players to brush aside my opinion on TIME leadership. I respect their opinions but I will still stick to my opinion.
Perhaps I have went through certain experience that differ from them. Perhaps I have higher expectation on leadership. Whatever the reasons, I wish TIME all the best.

And on FiG, seriously I think you guys should learn the game and focus on growth.
Your bashing on TIME don't make yourselves look good. Small mentality.

 

[DeletedUser]

I already expected much flaming after my last login. Let's keep the discussion going, less the trolling.

Let's talk about leadership in layman.

On a scale of 10, a player with 8 pts leadership skill will not follow someone with just 6 pts or below. I strongly believe leadership is about influencing, not about demanding or holding certain high position or working very hard.

So, in the case of TIME and maybe FiG, the leaders may have done a lot of things.
But if they can't lift up their leadership capabilities, they will have limitation in attracting strong players to work with them.

I expect some TIME players to brush aside my opinion on TIME leadership. I respect their opinions but I will still stick to my opinion.
Perhaps I have went through certain experience that differ from them. Perhaps I have higher expectation on leadership. Whatever the reasons, I wish TIME all the best.

And on FiG, seriously I think you guys should learn the game and focus on growth.
Your bashing on TIME don't make yourselves look good. Small mentality.

Focus on growth, when a tribe double and a bit our size is attacking us? To refer to W24, do you think we're MANIC? That strategy doesn't really work, the whole "let's ignore the enemy, they're not so bad" thing. We are growing...at their expense :icon_wink:. What do you think is happening? What will happen when they fall apart?

What, do you think the big players still loyal to their old leaders won't come back to us :icon_wink:? Do you think that they won't flourish under the right leaders again? Come on now, don't be so naïve.

 

[DeletedUser]

I already expected much flaming after my last login. Let's keep the discussion going, less the trolling.

Let's talk about leadership in layman.

On a scale of 10, a player with 8 pts leadership skill will not follow someone with just 6 pts or below. I strongly believe leadership is about influencing, not about demanding or holding certain high position or working very hard.

So, in the case of TIME and maybe FiG, the leaders may have done a lot of things.
But if they can't lift up their leadership capabilities, they will have limitation in attracting strong players to work with them.

I expect some TIME players to brush aside my opinion on TIME leadership. I respect their opinions but I will still stick to my opinion.
Perhaps I have went through certain experience that differ from them. Perhaps I have higher expectation on leadership. Whatever the reasons, I wish TIME all the best.

And on FiG, seriously I think you guys should learn the game and focus on growth.
Your bashing on TIME don't make yourselves look good. Small mentality.

I have to agree with Or-el, You are making yourself sound like a bigger idiot. And i have high expectations on leadership why do you think i left when doruk was put in charge i could tell from when i heard on day one doruk would be an epic failure.

The only decent leader we had was OB, he left and left doruk in charge he said doruk would be a good leader. "He was so so wrong".

Can i honestly say Alex you dont even use skype like everyone else in the tribe thats where all the things are happening in the tribe so how could you possible know what is going on behind the scenes i bet i know more than you and i am not even playing at the moment rofl.

 

[DeletedUser]

Sometimes, DJ, you couldn't be more right :icon_biggrin:.

 

[DeletedUser]

Wow...DJ and Or-el actually agree...this is a first

:lol:

Even to the end Alex Wong was not a team player. This game cannot be won by a single person no matter how "strong" of player they think they are. In the end it comes down to working together. This is an attribute you don't possess.

And if you felt that you were a leader of much greater skill then those in place... then why did the leaders that you so admire not even consider you as their replacement....just a thought.....