Hilarious, I had my chance to read the forums of that VLR tribe and it was quite funny. Cshipley was right to say that RAM was such in trouble that they could not engage in fighting VLR and that as long as you guys were sticking together, it wouldn't happen. RAM is such a desperate tribe, they would take anyone in to help. It's quite funny that he left you out for lunch while he went back to RAM to save himself. Lack of commitment? Lack of courage or probably has to mow the lawn too much. After all, he is kind of a big deal and you were not. Cshipley is in it for himself, everybody else are brainless peons he can manipulate at will. As far as the duke debate, Cshipley lost all its influence when I created RAM. He got some influence back when I left RAM. He got it back after out of desperation by RAM, simply.