Hippos was in w16.. not 17
and if anyone was sensible they would wait a few weeks to join a tribe. No alliances or diplomacy or members early on to stop farming and they can see who the powers in the world will be and then make a sensible tribal desicion based on that rather than listening to all this bull.
Well AYB has no diplomacy and all the members are spread out enough for decent farming anyway. So isnt that just as good?