DeletedUser96316
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^ My point exactly, snob.
^ My point exactly, snob.
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There was no DSBAND Council until Sam went red/left. I was always told I could handle things how I wanted to and Strad and I were to be the Dukes of the tribe, but Sam would never let go. As for more on that whole saga of crap...well....that can be for PM not here if you have interest.
I don't understand what you mean here: "where you and Spushkin tried to catch the few -Hate- account holders." - Can you explain?
As for this statement right here: "the simple truth is revealed. Axte F. was always trying to do the same" - Again, I point to one name in Axte and it begins with S. But my conversations trying to get HATE into DSBAND have always been upfront and aboveboard. I have never had ill intentions and any of the people who know me from HATE, both playing now and no longer playing will attest to that.
As I said in a previous message, actually several, the OLD Axte leadership and the new -- 10000% differant.
According to Amaraya (the one who took over the account), he was the one who cancelled the merge and I was just looking in my skype so I could copy that convo but when I deleted his contact the convo got deleted too. It was the same convo where he was trying to create a super tribe and get me to leave Axte F with my core group of loyal players, and get Apathy people to leave as well and then backstab Sam like Sam backstabbed others.
It was a very thought provoking conversation, but my loyalty to those in DSBAND took precedence to that and I selected to stay and tough it out, which turned out to be the right decision, especially since Sam is no longer there.
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You can't stop yourself can you ? Snob.
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Just showing you some love...*grins*
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You tart 
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Really merge was already in place?? How many merges does this world need. I played this world for like a week and already know it is a sad world to begin with, does no one know the meaning of Tribalwars anymore?
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We are talking about something from before the summer. So I am not sure where you are even coming off with that statement. This is past history not current events.
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Lamby your definition of tribalwars is sitting infront of a computer sniping D4 trains for months, I don't have that kind of time :icon_wink: silly canadians.
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Just what I saw via IM's and group chats. Saw quite a few questions about who was on what account, who he'd rather go to if he had to choose (Nuke or Axte F.) and his contact info (usually skype).
It was a mere fact statement, only to prove a point, and funny enough, it stands true to this day as much as it did the first time it got posted. No matter how different the leaderships are, the tactical advantage of being able to recruit a meatshield is priceless, even just for the sake of increasing the odds the enemy has to face. ...If I'd have to cut it down to a few words they'd have to be like so. Axte F. tried to recruit the same persons that have been posted here repeatedly, and if they had been recruited to the Axte F. the world would be very different.
I saw the conversation in full, I can't find it either, but I suspect that's because there have been over 6 months since that got IM'd to me (or there abouts, and cba to go dig through the clout of IM's)
I'll leave it at, it could've worked out, but probably was a month or two too late being planned :/
Oh ... just from that Ludwig chat .... saw quite a few times where both you and Spush asked around if there was anyone there from -Hate-, even remember being harassed (not maybe directly, but sure as heck indirectly) about if I was in -Hate- or not
Never really replied or answered those questions, as I wasn't even sure if I was in the mind to continue to play the world.... on a side note to that... Made Dools go quite mad by doing that too DeletedUser
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Well, recruiting spoils of war happens all the time and not just in this war either. MIND recruited AGG's player during the AGG vs PLAGUE's war, and BLISS and TRIM each recruited a player between the AGG and AXTE conflict. What happens from their depends on the player and the leader to decide. In both cases the warring tribe didn't make a big deal or attack the fleeing players. Instead they went after those that got left behind. On the other hand NUKE did thus they are in the situation that they are in now. In a war game like this, fighting is only part of the game, resolving things diplomatically is the other part. I don't know of any strong tribe going into a war at random without knowing the fact that they have at least 51% chance of winning. And you can call those recalled as refugee, but you seriously think people will honor your eternal claim of those refugees? If that's the case everybody who have warred and have more than one tribe change in their history are a refugee of some shape or form.
Actually I'm not surprised about that and I'm sure anyone who have played W51 around that time aren't either. -HATE- was full of inactives and the SHEEPS vs Axte's war have caused many great players to leave the world due to the high activity demand. -HATE- and Axte have a long term relationship at the time, so it seriously wouldn't surprised anyone if they merged the active -HATE- into Axte to replenish those that were gone. But that's old news from months ago.
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I completely agree with your last point, but there were some loud shouts of refugee recruitment when Nuke recruited out of -Hate- and thus I said it like I did.
On this matter however; "On the other hand NUKE did thus they are in the situation that they are in now."
I think Nuke realized they'd be up against the odds in May, maybe sooner when Mind started to show serious cracks. Sure, maybe Mind leadership wasn't the best, and maybe there were some behind the table agreements, not uncommon in war, but I think both Axte F. and Nuke have been preparing since late June at the very least, probably even sooner (and given the enormous size advantage Axte has they could've started to plan it when Nuke started nobling into K46/47/48 in the -Hate- war)
As I said, I like to lay low and not comment much, thus I don't really follow to well with the forums, but payed enough attention during the -Hate-/Nuke war and start of Axte/Nuke war to see the refugee claims etc.
Hope it clears something up
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It's called dedication and i do that with no sitter and work a full time job :lol:
P.S hockey season is back so don't bug me anymore
Don't you have high school to get back to Aaron?
Is is sad that you were even "planning a merge" before nuke and -Hate- even went to war, without even fighting first. There is a game called tribalhugs. I am sure we all like that game
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That wouldn't have been me talking unless it was copies from personal messages. I rarely - note the word rarely so it did occasionally happen - discussed the merge prior to it happening, at least in skype. I pretty much avoided skype until the last few months.
See, I don't look at people like that. I would rather not recruit someone then recruit them for the sole purpose of being a meat shield. To me that is being deceitful and I don't like to be that way. It grates on my nerves and I feel guilty.
I think alot of the stuff that happened in the past could have/should have worked out differantly. But we all make choices and then we end up where we end up. Would I have changed some of the choices I made in the past? Hell yeah, but then again if I had then maybe I would not still be playing and maybe I would not have had the chance to make friends with some of the 'mates that I have too.
saw quite a few times where both you and Spush asked around if there was anyone there from -Hate-, even remember being harassed (not maybe directly, but sure as heck indirectly) about if I was in -Hate- or not
Again, are you sure you are speaking about me? I have only talked to Spush maybe 5 times ever and I have Ludwig chat up but I probably only speak in there once a month if that.
Made Dools go quite mad by doing that too
HAH! Dools...I used to love to piss him off!
*laughing*
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I'm not sure how long you have been playing this game, but merging tribes is normal and quite often times has nothing to do with a war upcoming or otherwise, and has everything to do with activity of the members and member count or location.
Why the Axte Council - see the "S" word - was doing it? No idea.
Why I did it? Because I thought that to start something like that and leave a bunch of people out in the lurch confused and unsure what to do was a terrible thing and I do not believe in doing that to people so where "S" lacked...I followed up and followed through.
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Thought I would chime in here for clarification.
What amaraya did was not backstab anybody. Giacmo tried to do what he thought lando would have wanted. Although sam might not be in axte leadership now, he was then and he was a major reason the merge didn't go through. I'm sure lando would have done the same when axte just sat back and watched, merged with sheeps and then went into cleanup mode while hate got slaughtered.
Yes Hate had some activity issues but Nuke were expecting a serious fight. Hate did put up quite a bit of fight for a while, its hard for people to see because their defending and their counterattacks were not up to par so it doesn't show in the stats. Unless you look closer at od gains during the time.
It was when everybody in hate was saying, "Where the hell is our ally" and when axte said "we are coming, we just need to eat some of your accounts first" that everybody leftover in hate council had to choose the lesser of two evils.
The decision to say screw axte was a decision made because that's what they thought lando would have wanted. They thought there was no way in hell lando would allow sam to lie to everybody, treat them like pawns and still do his bidding.
Axte had over 10 hate sits, instead of launching on Nuke and helping hate , they decide they were going to eat hates internals to relocate first.
Then when the final lists were coming together, they went as far as to launch on "Active" hate players because there villages were prime real estate.
Im not saying anybody is more guilty than anybody else. Except Sam, but nuke and axte were both playing mind games for control of hate and both us had duke accounts in hate at some point. The final duke ended up being swatchy. (Giacmo's mistake for leaving him with privs before leaving), He would rather quit than help axte after they did squat to help but him and I had a personal dispute stopping him from assisting nuke. That's where hate ended up in limbo and food for all.
What amaraya did was not backstab anybody. Giacmo tried to do what he thought lando would have wanted. Although sam might not be in axte leadership now, he was then and he was a major reason the merge didn't go through. I'm sure lando would have done the same when axte just sat back and watched, merged with sheeps and then went into cleanup mode while hate got slaughtered.
Yes Hate had some activity issues but Nuke were expecting a serious fight. Hate did put up quite a bit of fight for a while, its hard for people to see because their defending and their counterattacks were not up to par so it doesn't show in the stats. Unless you look closer at od gains during the time.
It was when everybody in hate was saying, "Where the hell is our ally" and when axte said "we are coming, we just need to eat some of your accounts first" that everybody leftover in hate council had to choose the lesser of two evils.
The decision to say screw axte was a decision made because that's what they thought lando would have wanted. They thought there was no way in hell lando would allow sam to lie to everybody, treat them like pawns and still do his bidding.
Axte had over 10 hate sits, instead of launching on Nuke and helping hate , they decide they were going to eat hates internals to relocate first.
Then when the final lists were coming together, they went as far as to launch on "Active" hate players because there villages were prime real estate.
Im not saying anybody is more guilty than anybody else. Except Sam, but nuke and axte were both playing mind games for control of hate and both us had duke accounts in hate at some point. The final duke ended up being swatchy. (Giacmo's mistake for leaving him with privs before leaving), He would rather quit than help axte after they did squat to help but him and I had a personal dispute stopping him from assisting nuke. That's where hate ended up in limbo and food for all.
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Hey Jakey boy, Whatchu talkin' bout'?
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I dont know. getting my fix I guess.
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Conspikuous:
I think probably alot of that is true however there are a few points of that I believe need to be further clarified.
1) Lando did not give his account to the player of amaraya, and the one he gave his account to was forced out of leadership within Hate. So if anyone had Lando's best interests in mind it was the person that the backstabbers and spies forced out. (I am not naming names of who those were since there were multiples of them)
2) The player on the Amaraya account was asked to pick up that account by the same person Lando gave his account to. He was told by that person what he was doing was wrong and if anyone would know this it would have been them. So for him to hide behind the excuse he was doing what Lando would want is nonsense in my personal opinion.
3) The Axte F was constantly funneling support into Hate and at the same time trying to figure out who the spies were. So for anyone to say that Axte was not there for them is also nonsense, however, most of that support came from DSBAND because back then...when "S" was the one running the show DSBAND was a meat shield to him no matter how much he may deny it. So I am not agreeing nor disagreeing with you here...just letting it be known that they were not left in the lurch by everyone.
4) Axte had sits and so did DSBAND and so did Nuke. Make sure to let that be clear too.
5) Eating up inactives was some deal that "S" had in place with HATE, how why when....no clue.
I'll be honest Conspk...I think you are a stand up guy. The few times we spoke I found you to be very honest and straightforward and I respect that. And I feel that how everything happened was really crappy and I do blame that -one- person for alot of it. I feel that if I had left and joined this super tribe that Amaraya's player was trying to form that "S" would have also destroyed DSBAND. And that right there is why I did not.
And no matter how this world ends up I can be proud to have been part of DSBAND and the Axte F and to have fought alongside them as they are now....new and improved.
I think probably alot of that is true however there are a few points of that I believe need to be further clarified.
1) Lando did not give his account to the player of amaraya, and the one he gave his account to was forced out of leadership within Hate. So if anyone had Lando's best interests in mind it was the person that the backstabbers and spies forced out. (I am not naming names of who those were since there were multiples of them)
2) The player on the Amaraya account was asked to pick up that account by the same person Lando gave his account to. He was told by that person what he was doing was wrong and if anyone would know this it would have been them. So for him to hide behind the excuse he was doing what Lando would want is nonsense in my personal opinion.
3) The Axte F was constantly funneling support into Hate and at the same time trying to figure out who the spies were. So for anyone to say that Axte was not there for them is also nonsense, however, most of that support came from DSBAND because back then...when "S" was the one running the show DSBAND was a meat shield to him no matter how much he may deny it. So I am not agreeing nor disagreeing with you here...just letting it be known that they were not left in the lurch by everyone.
4) Axte had sits and so did DSBAND and so did Nuke. Make sure to let that be clear too.
5) Eating up inactives was some deal that "S" had in place with HATE, how why when....no clue.
I'll be honest Conspk...I think you are a stand up guy. The few times we spoke I found you to be very honest and straightforward and I respect that. And I feel that how everything happened was really crappy and I do blame that -one- person for alot of it. I feel that if I had left and joined this super tribe that Amaraya's player was trying to form that "S" would have also destroyed DSBAND. And that right there is why I did not.
And no matter how this world ends up I can be proud to have been part of DSBAND and the Axte F and to have fought alongside them as they are now....new and improved.
