Why hasn't Decide nobled us yet and why are they so quiet on it?

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(yawn) *blink, blink*
Oh wow, I leave you people for a few hours and look what happens(that's a lie. I've been reading diligently :icon_biggrin

Takeda, wuuuuuuuuv you!!! But stop talking to these DECIDE people please, they smell(joking, joking) but seriously Takeda. No more socialising in-game for you. You're mine from now on :icon_razz:

Before I get into the whole swing of things and address each and every point(I won't, don't worry) I'd just like to put it out there.

I don't like DECIDE.

There, I said it. Now let's go after The CRU :icon_eek:

Ok, time for my retort, firstly though;

Wasnt the merge of WN, Lugh and TA a desperated act for trying to keep K45, which in the long term is confirming that it was useless and a lesson learnt?

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Please...
If you are going to post, at least give it some substance, no half hearted posts please. Especially when you are just releasing air(too strong?). The ~W~N~, Lugh and -TA- merge was us realising the world was growing and leaving us behind while we were at each other's throats. -TA-'s issues with GREEN not withstanding as that was continents away. -TA-'s issues with BD didn't threaten our continent at the time, neither did ~W~N~'s issues with DECIDE so where the desperation was in that act I'd like to know.
I prefer it when Atraeus and DuchessOfDevonshire post. They at least try :icon_wink:

Ok, now; not really sure what to say now. The forum went 'offline for maintenance' right in th middle of me writing this :icon_sad:
Then I got bored, did something for a couple hours and came back.

Ah...

As I understand it, all bragging done on this thread (by Decide) has been in retaliation to MF instigation. Reread the posts. We have used nothing along the lines of, and I quote: "'We are going to squash you' propaganda," but have rather been quite respectful in our responses to you, save where your own players presented a case that did not deserve a respectful response. Further, we made no moves to discredit MF publicly in any way, until our honesty was called into question, and even then, we never projected your tribe as being anything less than a capable opponent, albeit a bit desperate (something you have proven here).

The thing is, I presented Decide's case as being very understanding of your situation, appreciating the fact that you would have grounds to accuse of us deception, and I was willing to accept that with a simple shrug of lets agree to disagree for the time being, and left it at that. Since then, your members have persisted in pressing the image of Decide, not the other way around. As I see it Crabby, MF are presenting their case with an air of said desperation, and are only focusing on Decide because you either perceive us to be the weaker, or the easier target; or perhaps just from the mere surprise of seeing your own poor direction come and bite you back.

I have said it before, I will say it again, I stand by what I wrote to begin with. It is not my crew that is persisting with the bashing and flames, it is yours. So as the proverb goes, before you seek to peel the mote from your neighbors eye, first attend to the beam in your own.

To date(in this convo) Atraeus, I see nothing really worth bragging about. Not that you have not made achievements against us in this conflict so far but the topics of this convo have been firstly, why you took a while to noble OC, whom I may add are still there though MF have no affiliation with them any more(any one who wants to read more into this topic, do so and I shall be happy to lay the story out for you fact by fact). Then it was talk about us being your best target. Then talk questioning your honour (where I made a smashing post agreed by all :icon_biggrin: super proud of myself) though we left that to lay; and now this kerfuffle. Nothing I can see posted by us worth you retorting with brag-able claims either so...

Let me lay this "squash you" issue to rest. Takeda(darling) said DECIDE came knocking at her gates. Factually correct.

Then the lovely DuchessOfDevonshire replied:

My dear you should specify that it was not DECIDE but one player who had an itch to scratch you have not gotten the taste of DECIDE yet. That was just an appetizer.

One of DECIDE still classes as DECIDE, though I believe you Duchess when you imply we haven't seen your full force yet and as my comrade CrabbyPilot so eloquently put it, we being almost 4 times your junior I cannot see us ever seeing/feeling your full force, unless we are REALLY good or you are REALLY...(but I don't see it happening)

All the references thereafter to BD I believe to be natural and common consequence of us being in a war with them simultaneously and the inevitability(as we have already discussed) of the two of you meeting somewhere in k45.

And while we are on the topic of our inevitable demise:

...What are we desperate for? We know we are going anywhere...

Crabby

What I know CrabbyPilot was saying here is we know we aren't going anywhere, as in we know we are going to lose this war of two definite, maybe three fronts. We have spoken about this. If people feel we are looking to stir up a war between BD and DECIDE then I invite those people to "bloody read the Topic thoroughly".

You yourself Atraeus responded to my original post with:

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Its simple. We are not allied to them, and have no NAP, that means its only a matter of time for us to fight. Same for THE, or Cry, or T-W-C for that matter. Whether we sit and wait for them to come to us, or they sit and wait for us to go to them, or we just meet in the middle, the end will be the same: a front-line, and BD and Decide are mutually aware of this fact...

We all know, that we all know, we know you two will fight (I thought about that one for a while. :icon_sad: Maybe not long enough :icon_sad Equally, we all know this cannot happen till MF have been eaten up. Ensuing a war, no matter how already inevitable, will save no member of MF so how desperation enters into it I am still :icon_confused:.

'Reason to be classed as desperate for ensuing a war - if said war's beginning will save one's skin, thus one wishes it more than anything and thus presses the issue blatantly in the hopes of.'

'If said war cannot save one's skin then the pressing of the issue is futile unless used as a tool of revenge.'

If you wish to tell us off for attempting to cause a war after we are gone as some payback to DECIDE fine, I can stomach that as it at least has some logic in it (which I shall discredit in a moment) but let us be clear we have no need to be desperate. We will die, we know :icon_cool: I'm taking it easy...

Though it will be (as already revised) a darn tough fight to the end.

Discreditation(not a real word) : It is customary in the context I believe to seek revenge on one whom is attacking you, by swaying a bigger badder(also not a real word) tribe to the persuasion of attack he who is attacking you. However, as the tribe in this case (BD) are also a said participant in the attacking of the proverbial 'you', seeking such revenge would again be futile as we know in this game, there is almost always a clear cut winner and thus one of 'your' attackers would survive to continue and prosper -

- The only cases where such a tactic would work in this situation are if you know the ensuing war would be so devastating to both sides, the eventual outcome would be other thriving tribes at that time picking them both off (I highly doubt this scenario will occur. If/When war breaks out, one shall win). The other scenario being only if 'you' have a favourite in you enemies or one to which you dislike more and with you inevitable demise would be happy for one to survive as long as one lives:

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Like I said we may not post, but we read, and looking at all the crap DECIDE is spewing I would much rather BD take my villages...

:icon_eek:

Oh goody, a new post from Atraeus. This is all real time, 05:35 am :icon_cry:

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Ok, just so I got this straight: you guys plan to backhandedly attack Decide by defending her enemies, and say it is dishonorable of Decide in that Duchess has a PA in MF, and that said PA informing her of this fact is deceptive? :icon_eek:...

A brief comprehensive history of our link to OC.
.~W~N~, Lugh and -TA- decide(not again) to merge
. In doing so they create an academy tribe for some of the lesser able from said merger
.They then looked to strengthen said academy and did so by absorbing the remaining members of PURE & PYRE(I think, on that final spelling{first time ever:icon_razz:}) from the k35/k45 border.
.DECIDE at the time, whom MF are trying to obtain an NAP are not happy and demand to continue their assaults on said absorbed members.
.Originally MF back up their academy.
.Not too long after MF cut the shared forums between the two tribes down to Market and Off Topic(thus ensuring no more tribal supportive links)
.MF finally plan on completely severing all ties with it's redundant academy when DECIDE terminate their NAP
.MF severs it's OC connection completely
(before any ill informed person puts this up as conspiracy to attack DECIDE, forum changes were made a month ago, well before the "plan to attack so DECIDE attacked first" time-line)
Thus your informant is either lying to you, or is living in a twisted alternate past.

...And the PnP's are here, for some, to fight on yet another forum (no pun intended) after all...

Sorry Atraeus, I don't get this...

Now, the rest of your post Atraeus, I believe I have address thoroughly throughout this PnP(see, I did learn a new word in all of this mayhem), though most of it is in reference to past stated opinions and facts(people, go through, read back, you'll find it all there somehow, it is far too tiring to reference the areas, I've spoken A LOT).


I take offence however as most of the your latter post was used as almost a personal attack on CrabbyPilot(I thought you better than that :icon_sad(Don't tell me he started it :icon_rolleyes

I take offence again to comments such as:

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You know as well as I do that you are lying about this; if you are even loosely attached to your aristocracy, you know better. You can lie to the masses, and convincingly so, but not to me. Now, go back to this, prove this matter wrong, because outside of this, all you are doing is flaming Decide, and trying to pick a PnP fight; which is all good and dandy, that's what this is here for after all, but given the fact you have nothing else to go on... well... that just seems a bit desperate to me.

We have mentioned this again and again (I thought we agreed to disagree) and thus you are calling me a liar when I tell you "WE HAD NO PLANS TO ATTACK OUR ONLY SEMI-SECURE RELATION IN THE AREA, WITH BD ALREADY ATTACKING FOR A MONTH AND [DN] FRESHLY ASSAULTING"!(sorry for shouting but it is infuriating)

You must think me mad for thinking I would allow my own tribe to make such a suicidal move(don't pick up on the whole attacking Boris thing here:icon_redface!

Do you think me mad Atraeus :icon_eek:?

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(Reference back to desperation definitions) just for the sake of completeness

I really want to put this bickering to rest now. It was not an amusing or remotely enjoyable read, the entire bottom half of page6.

PnP is for opinion and retort(as I now understand it). Not 'pick-and-poke'!



Oh, and just so no one feels I am being bias, I Hate BD('they' are attacking me, not DECIDE). In fact I've got some more TW Mistress nukes to massacre later on today :icon_razz:

Now that was truly tiring...

Oh and Takeda, don't steal my opening and closing gesture :icon_evil:

The CRU *yawns* (next to Takeda )
Nukes to kill. Sleep, sleep (yawn)

 

[DeletedUser]

Recon : Your...Highness..Important... reports...from ..the...Front... :icon_redface:

Queen Tak : Yawnnn... Not again!! who's that ..aroused my beautiful slumber??

Recon : More Bandits spotted over the horizon your Royal Highness!! :icon_confused:

Queen Tak : Hmmm... let welcome them & show them our hospitality. Prepare the banquet :lol:

Veteran General : Shall i rode forward & lead them to the cauldron? :icon_idea:

Queen Tak : silly! they are marching towards that direction General. :icon_wink:

Foreign Affairs Minister : Shall i inform the Dukes & Barons? :icon_rolleyes:

Queen Tak : Oh please!! they are not to be disturbed by these puny "scratches on my back" (quote from somewhere can't remember :icon_wink they need sleep like me :icon_cool:
... now back to dreamland ...Zzzzzzzzzzz


psst... Cru if you are thinking of getting into my skirt ..dream on... hee hee

 

[DeletedUser]

Your skirt?:icon_sad: I thought we were talking about your natural wonders :icon_eek:...not that man made rubbish :icon_cool: or :icon_redfacenot sure which one at this stage:icon_confused

oh yeah (yawn)...(yawn)
Superpose the first (yawn) to the beginning of this post please. I'm soooo tireZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzz

 

[DeletedUser]

(yawn) *blink, blink*
Oh wow, I leave you people for a few hours and look what happens(that's a lie. I've been reading diligently :icon_biggrin

Takeda, wuuuuuuuuv you!!! But stop talking to these DECIDE people please, they smell(joking, joking) but seriously Takeda. No more socialising in-game for you. You're mine from now on :icon_razz:

Before I get into the whole swing of things and address each and every point(I won't, don't worry) I'd just like to put it out there.

I don't like DECIDE.

There, I said it. Now let's go after The CRU :icon_eek:

Ok, time for my retort, firstly though;



:icon_neutral:
Please...
If you are going to post, at least give it some substance, no half hearted posts please. Especially when you are just releasing air(too strong?). The ~W~N~, Lugh and -TA- merge was us realising the world was growing and leaving us behind while we were at each other's throats. -TA-'s issues with GREEN not withstanding as that was continents away. -TA-'s issues with BD didn't threaten our continent at the time, neither did ~W~N~'s issues with DECIDE so where the desperation was in that act I'd like to know.
I prefer it when Atraeus and DuchessOfDevonshire post. They at least try :icon_wink:

Ok, now; not really sure what to say now. The forum went 'offline for maintenance' right in th middle of me writing this :icon_sad:
Then I got bored, did something for a couple hours and came back.

Ah...



To date(in this convo) Atraeus, I see nothing really worth bragging about. Not that you have not made achievements against us in this conflict so far but the topics of this convo have been firstly, why you took a while to noble OC, whom I may add are still there though MF have no affiliation with them any more(any one who wants to read more into this topic, do so and I shall be happy to lay the story out for you fact by fact). Then it was talk about us being your best target. Then talk questioning your honour (where I made a smashing post agreed by all :icon_biggrin: super proud of myself) though we left that to lay; and now this kerfuffle. Nothing I can see posted by us worth you retorting with brag-able claims either so...

Let me lay this "squash you" issue to rest. Takeda(darling) said DECIDE came knocking at her gates. Factually correct.

Then the lovely DuchessOfDevonshire replied:


One of DECIDE still classes as DECIDE, though I believe you Duchess when you imply we haven't seen your full force yet and as my comrade CrabbyPilot so eloquently put it, we being almost 4 times your junior I cannot see us ever seeing/feeling your full force, unless we are REALLY good or you are REALLY...(but I don't see it happening)

All the references thereafter to BD I believe to be natural and common consequence of us being in a war with them simultaneously and the inevitability(as we have already discussed) of the two of you meeting somewhere in k45.

And while we are on the topic of our inevitable demise:


What I know CrabbyPilot was saying here is we know we aren't going anywhere, as in we know we are going to lose this war of two definite, maybe three fronts. We have spoken about this. If people feel we are looking to stir up a war between BD and DECIDE then I invite those people to "bloody read the Topic thoroughly".

You yourself Atraeus responded to my original post with:


We all know, that we all know, we know you two will fight (I thought about that one for a while. :icon_sad: Maybe not long enough :icon_sad Equally, we all know this cannot happen till MF have been eaten up. Ensuing a war, no matter how already inevitable, will save no member of MF so how desperation enters into it I am still :icon_confused:.

'Reason to be classed as desperate for ensuing a war - if said war's beginning will save one's skin, thus one wishes it more than anything and thus presses the issue blatantly in the hopes of.'

'If said war cannot save one's skin then the pressing of the issue is futile unless used as a tool of revenge.'

If you wish to tell us off for attempting to cause a war after we are gone as some payback to DECIDE fine, I can stomach that as it at least has some logic in it (which I shall discredit in a moment) but let us be clear we have no need to be desperate. We will die, we know :icon_cool: I'm taking it easy...

Though it will be (as already revised) a darn tough fight to the end.

Discreditation(not a real word) : It is customary in the context I believe to seek revenge on one whom is attacking you, by swaying a bigger badder(also not a real word) tribe to the persuasion of attack he who is attacking you. However, as the tribe in this case (BD) are also a said participant in the attacking of the proverbial 'you', seeking such revenge would again be futile as we know in this game, there is almost always a clear cut winner and thus one of 'your' attackers would survive to continue and prosper -

- The only cases where such a tactic would work in this situation are if you know the ensuing war would be so devastating to both sides, the eventual outcome would be other thriving tribes at that time picking them both off (I highly doubt this scenario will occur. If/When war breaks out, one shall win). The other scenario being only if 'you' have a favourite in you enemies or one to which you dislike more and with you inevitable demise would be happy for one to survive as long as one lives:

:icon_eek:

Oh goody, a new post from Atraeus. This is all real time, 05:35 am :icon_cry:



A brief comprehensive history of our link to OC.
.~W~N~, Lugh and -TA- decide(not again) to merge
. In doing so they create an academy tribe for some of the lesser able from said merger
.They then looked to strengthen said academy and did so by absorbing the remaining members of PURE & PYRE(I think, on that final spelling{first time ever:icon_razz:}) from the k35/k45 border.
.DECIDE at the time, whom MF are trying to obtain an NAP are not happy and demand to continue their assaults on said absorbed members.
.Originally MF back up their academy.
.Not too long after MF cut the shared forums between the two tribes down to Market and Off Topic(thus ensuring no more tribal supportive links)
.MF finally plan on completely severing all ties with it's redundant academy when DECIDE terminate their NAP
.MF severs it's OC connection completely
(before any ill informed person puts this up as conspiracy to attack DECIDE, forum changes were made a month ago, well before the "plan to attack so DECIDE attacked first" time-line)
Thus your informant is either lying to you, or is living in a twisted alternate past.


Sorry Atraeus, I don't get this...

Now, the rest of your post Atraeus, I believe I have address thoroughly throughout this PnP(see, I did learn a new word in all of this mayhem), though most of it is in reference to past stated opinions and facts(people, go through, read back, you'll find it all there somehow, it is far too tiring to reference the areas, I've spoken A LOT).


I take offence however as most of the your latter post was used as almost a personal attack on CrabbyPilot(I thought you better than that :icon_sad(Don't tell me he started it :icon_rolleyes

I take offence again to comments such as:


We have mentioned this again and again (I thought we agreed to disagree) and thus you are calling me a liar when I tell you "WE HAD NO PLANS TO ATTACK OUR ONLY SEMI-SECURE RELATION IN THE AREA, WITH BD ALREADY ATTACKING FOR A MONTH AND [DN] FRESHLY ASSAULTING"!(sorry for shouting but it is infuriating)

You must think me mad for thinking I would allow my own tribe to make such a suicidal move(don't pick up on the whole attacking Boris thing here:icon_redface!

Do you think me mad Atraeus :icon_eek:?

...
(Reference back to desperation definitions) just for the sake of completeness

I really want to put this bickering to rest now. It was not an amusing or remotely enjoyable read, the entire bottom half of page6.

PnP is for opinion and retort(as I now understand it). Not 'pick-and-poke'!



Oh, and just so no one feels I am being bias, I Hate BD('they' are attacking me, not DECIDE). In fact I've got some more TW Mistress nukes to massacre later on today :icon_razz:

Now that was truly tiring...

Oh and Takeda, don't steal my opening and closing gesture :icon_evil:

The CRU *yawns* (next to Takeda )
Nukes to kill. Sleep, sleep (yawn)

I think perhaps Cru, what you do not like about my post, is the fact that amidst the flaming, propaganda, twisting of words and accusations (all that juicy stuff we see on these PnP's), I posed a solid case against Crabby. Nevertheless, you have the right to an opinion, and this certainly is the place for it. Such is your prerogative.

I, however, do not believe that you either effectively countered any of those points with the above post, nor smeared my image in any way. In fact, it seemed more sloppy than your usual posts, and quite a bit emotional. I believe I may have written something that has hit a nerve for you, but whatever it is, it has seriously degraded your ability to clearly express ideas. That is not an insult. That is an observation. Such is my opinion. Such is my prerogative.

Now I understand you harbor animosity toward Decide, and while I do not share this feeling with you or your own tribe, I expect you to want to challenge me here, as you have, and as your companions have. But you also wrote this:

I really want to put this bickering to rest now.

And that was the very stance I had taken myself with you and Crabby as well. I felt you and I had established a solid close to these squabbles, but it was not a member of Decide that rekindled it. Despite my efforts to close it once more, I have found nothing but this animosity from your court. You can blame me for retaliating, but after all, in all honesty, that is what your camp is really after.

Your timings are off. Your accusations are weak. Your writing style is sloppy and hard to follow. You focused entirely on moot topics, and seemed to get overwhelmed with emotion near the end. Having read that post, I find myself rethinking what I wrote to Crabby, as his own posts, even when angry, were in fact quite a bit clearer. Also, I do not think you mad, I think you inexperienced and new to the game, poised to make a mistake. I also think you have had a grudge with Decide since before the merge, much less before the dropped NAP, and that alone is enough for me, evidence notwithstanding.

Again, not an insult. Merely a critique. As I have written in this very thread, you will find my responses on par with your own posts. Approach me with data, logic or reasoning, and I will counter with data, or logic and reasoning. Approach with respect or humor, and that is what you will get. So now we are even in my eyes. You give me a list of opinions, I respond in kind. Both of us being honest.

And as I have already stated this quite well in the past, here is this:

I'm not the kind of guy who likes to go in circles explaining myself, and while I expect it in a PnP debate, I'm not fond of having my words intentionally twisted, or misrepresented. Therefore, I try not to play along with the tug of war. I simply feel little need to repeat myself; rather, I'm feeling quite well expressed as it is.

And in closing, I leave you with this:

I have said it before, I will say it again, I stand by what I wrote to begin with. It is not my crew that is persisting with the bashing and flames, it is yours. So as the proverb goes, before you seek to peel the mote from your neighbors eye, first attend to the beam in your own.

 

[DeletedUser]

Recon : Your...Highness..Important... reports...from ..the...Front... :icon_redface:

Queen Tak : Yawnnn... Not again!! who's that ..aroused my beautiful slumber??

Recon : More Bandits spotted over the horizon your Royal Highness!! :icon_confused:

Queen Tak : Hmmm... let welcome them & show them our hospitality. Prepare the banquet :lol:

Veteran General : Shall i rode forward & lead them to the cauldron? :icon_idea:

Queen Tak : silly! they are marching towards that direction General. :icon_wink:

Foreign Affairs Minister : Shall i inform the Dukes & Barons? :icon_rolleyes:

Queen Tak : Oh please!! they are not to be disturbed by these puny "scratches on my back" (quote from somewhere can't remember :icon_wink they need sleep like me :icon_cool:
... now back to dreamland ...Zzzzzzzzzzz


psst... Cru if you are thinking of getting into my skirt ..dream on... hee hee

Lol! I liked this.

 

[DeletedUser]

HAHAHA looks like I got under your skin, Altraeus. In any case I wish everyone the best.

 

[DeletedUser59451]

This is like a polite version of the T-W-C v's [CRY] thread :lol:

 

[Gicusan]

it masy be nicer and polite but those guys love extremly long posts.

 

[DeletedUser]

HAHAHA looks like I got under your skin, Altraeus. In any case I wish everyone the best.

(Note: I am reposting this now, as I feel in retrospect the I may have failed to impart my intended sarcasm in the original.)

Lol! So true! God I'm such a muppet the way I lost control back there... :icon_rolleyes: (this is the sarcasm part... just so's ya know. :icon_wink

While this may be moot at this point, I don't think you believe that anymore than I do. I responded to you with the bite you asked for, and delivered in my eyes a rather successful post, with no retort, might I add. But not a bad tactic on your part by posting this here. One last twist before you go...?

And same to you by the way (wishing the best). :icon_smile:

This is like a polite version of the T-W-C v's [CRY] thread :lol:

Lol! Totally agree here. That thread is a place for everyone to fight. I believe when I last left it I had witnessed four different groups debating each other at the same time. :lol:

 

[DeletedUser]

it masy be nicer and polite but those guys love extremly long posts.

Lol, I'll try and keep this reply short Gicusan :icon_smile:

I think perhaps Cru, what you do not like about my post, is the fact that amidst the flaming, propaganda, twisting of words and accusations (all that juicy stuff we see on these PnP's), I posed a solid case against Crabby. Nevertheless, you have the right to an opinion, and this certainly is the place for it. Such is your prerogative.

I, however, do not believe that you either effectively countered any of those points with the above post, nor smeared my image in any way. In fact, it seemed more sloppy than your usual posts, and quite a bit emotional. I believe I may have written something that has hit a nerve for you, but whatever it is, it has seriously degraded your ability to clearly express ideas. That is not an insult. That is an observation. Such is my opinion. Such is my prerogative.

Now I understand you harbor animosity toward Decide, and while I do not share this feeling with you or your own tribe, I expect you to want to challenge me here, as you have, and as your companions have. But you also wrote this:



And that was the very stance I had taken myself with you and Crabby as well. I felt you and I had established a solid close to these squabbles, but it was not a member of Decide that rekindled it. Despite my efforts to close it once more, I have found nothing but this animosity from your court. You can blame me for retaliating, but after all, in all honesty, that is what your camp is really after.

Your timings are off. Your accusations are weak. Your writing style is sloppy and hard to follow. You focused entirely on moot topics, and seemed to get overwhelmed with emotion near the end. Having read that post, I find myself rethinking what I wrote to Crabby, as his own posts, even when angry, were in fact quite a bit clearer. Also, I do not think you mad, I think you inexperienced and new to the game, poised to make a mistake. I also think you have had a grudge with Decide since before the merge, much less before the dropped NAP, and that alone is enough for me, evidence notwithstanding.

Again, not an insult. Merely a critique. As I have written in this very thread, you will find my responses on par with your own posts. Approach me with data, logic or reasoning, and I will counter with data, or logic and reasoning. Approach with respect or humor, and that is what you will get. So now we are even in my eyes. You give me a list of opinions, I respond in kind. Both of us being honest.

And as I have already stated this quite well in the past, here is this:



And in closing, I leave you with this:

Shame to hear, maybe due to my genuine tiredness (as I explained in the post, it was written with gaps through several hours) or maybe you simply do not grasp my style though I must admit that due to having a few more post from the fellow tribe on here I experimented with some silliness.

I had never felt any animosity towards DECIDE until in fact, the Annie episode of recent and the 'reason for terminating the NAP' argument, though my opening of "I don't like DECIDE" was just me being silly and trying to break the concrete wall between you and Crabby. My animosity is to the situations, no directly to DECIDE. That is why my next line was:

...Now let's go after The CRU :icon_eek:
...

Though I guess you've taken that a little too seriously.

I had hoped my closing with:

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Oh, and just so no one feels I am being bias, I Hate BD('they' are attacking me, not DECIDE). In fact I've got some more TW Mistress nukes to massacre later on today :icon_razz:...

would have made the joke clear but I guess the length of my post must have disassociated those two comment from each other to you.
It is a game, this world's enemy my very well end up this world's closest ally if not another, so there is no time for grudge holding.


We have all repeated ourselves several times during the course of this conversation but I simply cannot understand what DECIDE must be thinking with the accusation and logic of breaking the NAP because of intel implying we were planning on attacking you. Inexperience does not come into it. It simply does not make an ounce of sense. And for you to continue posting such statements make me horrified as to how you must think. I am not trying to insult you but it either displays scary gullibility or it attempts to hide magnificent deceitfulness. I cannot understand such a way of thinking.


Yes Crabby was very provocative and yes I did not enjoy reading you post of:

Oh, since it means that much to you... (jeez, are you this desperate for attention? :lol



Ok, just so I got this straight: you guys plan to backhandedly attack Decide by defending her enemies, and say it is dishonorable of Decide in that Duchess has a PA in MF, and that said PA informing her of this fact is deceptive? :icon_eek:

Wow... there's some old fashioned Adel logic for everyone. :lol:

"I'm guilty and you are the bad one for finding out!!!1!!1!"

So true. :icon_cool:



When did this happen? Wow... I must be getting old... I'm going senile! When did I twist your words and claim that I wasn't? I look forward to this response specifically, it will be fun me thinks...



Don't know what you consider respect, but telling you what you want to hear isn't that, its blowing smoke. If you want me to blow smoke... meh... you're out of luck. Not my style.

Look, I told you how I see it. Now, what defines the expression of respect in my eyes is how the truth is delivered, and to what ends. When I interacted with Cru, my tone was a bit different than with you, perhaps due to the way he addressed me. You are combative, he was matter of fact. Your intentions are to degrade my image, his were merely to elucidate. Thus, he earned respect, as his is the superior PnP style, where yours is... erm... what is the respectful way of being honest with you?

Not so much.

You project the sense that you have something to prove, and having been trying to pick a fight, as opposed to merely expressing a point. When I responded in an honorable fashion of letting it go, you appeared offended. So no... no respect earned there.

Therefore, yes, you personally now appear desperate to me. You need a response, lest you not retaliate as vehemently as you have. You appear to need a reaction, as if it will in some manner validate you. Now I don't blame you, what else do you have at this point? And the PnP's are here, for some, to fight on yet another forum (no pun intended) after all. Yet, while approaching me with respect was obviously out of the question, your flawed perspective of this situation just thrives in your self incubated sense of injustice. But the truth is, I never approached your tribe in a disrespectful manner, I never mistreated your tribe in any way (even though we have established that this is not so on your own end), and I have even given you the opportunity to let this go.

And then you say I am being disrespectful? This isn't twisting words Crabby, this is interpretation, and it is how I have interpreted you.

Now you don't know me crabby, but I am actually being very polite with you in the way I am approaching your PnP. Again, I have given you plenty of opportunity to let this drop, but you are incessant in your efforts, and perhaps so to your own misfortune. Nevertheless, if you want me to play that badly, well, that is an aspect of the PnP's, and it is something I do well, so here you go:



OK, lets evaluate that, since its what you keep coming back to, and must be all you really have to play with right now.



Here you are comparing MF to Decide, indicating that we should take no pride in our successes, as this is an obvious win. Now, in my eyes, this is pathetic, since you refering to your own tribe as an easy win, and even more so because you presume all of Decide is even bothering with MF. In fact, that's just plain hilarious!

You get three laughy emoticons for that: :lol::lol::lol:

Now, onto that next stat of yours:



Why, unless you presume the masses are daft, which they certainly are not (I've been here for a while, believe me, I know), or I am misunderstanding your intentions here, then you propose to conceal the fact that you are no longer comparing MF to anyone in the next figure. In fact, you are now comparing Decide to BD, something I addressed, and you cried foul on. Once more intending to bring up that fight with BD (what was our stance on that? I don't know if I reiterated that or not? :icon_rolleyes.

Anyway, here's that little bit:



So unless you are daft yourself, you are essentially calling BD the better tribe backhandedly. Personally, I don't think you are daft, I just think you are being asinine.

But you said this:



Well, you are only interacting with us, and not BD or [DN] for that matter, so that kind of puts a focus on us. I mean, you didn't compare BD's stats with MF, did you? Nah, I didn't think so either... guess I didn't miss anything after all. :icon_rolleyes:

But to get back on topic, I don't mind them to be honest. Now, I could see where, being the noob, newb, or just plain loser you must be to presume this--



--that you obviously would not appreciate the fact that numbers in this game can be very misleading. Nevertheless, BD have proven themselves to be very good at this game, and I look forward to having them on our borders when the time comes... wait, am I repeating myself?

There's respect for you, I went and repeated myself yet again... Just for you. Feel proud. :icon_smile:

But wait! Wasn't there a point to all of this? I mean, it wasn't all just a desperate drive for attention, right? I mean, there was a point to it all 'neath the chaos, lies, twisted words and bad attitudes, right?



I can't help but ask this, but where in all of this propaganda and desperation do you, in any way, provide any information even remotely related to this fact?

Its simple, you don't.

You know as well as I do that you are lying about this; if you are even loosely attached to your aristocracy, you know better. You can lie to the masses, and convincingly so, but not to me. Now, go back to this, prove this matter wrong, because outside of this, all you are doing is flaming Decide, and trying to pick a PnP fight; which is all good and dandy, that's what this is here for after all, but given the fact you have nothing else to go on... well... that just seems a bit desperate to me.

as it felt like a very unnecessary personal attack, becoming very defensive and attempting to protect and uphold a reputation that I do not believe was ever really in doubt.

It was not the Atraeus I had expected to hear from but I guess we are all getting a little heated now. I was rather disappointed.


I was in no way attempting to attack you personally with my PnP. I had thought through our conversation we had indeed reached a level of respect and understanding for each other where we could read around strange or blatantly absurd statements and pick up on the really meaning be it jest or a hidden message behind the text in tone or feel.

More fool me.

We obviously do not know each other well enough. I obviously took many things for granted where I had no right to.

I shan't make that mistake again.

I do believe I countered your post effectively though with most of it being directed at CrabbyPilot in what seemed a very rude manner, maybe I subconsciously chose not to retaliate as you had done and thus lost directness in my response. If that is the case I make no apologies.

The level of this conversation has been seriously damaged by both sides and I simply hope it can be salvaged else I do not believe we shall have anything else to talk about. I'm sure you have noticed my mood is less cheery after reading your last post.

I still hold my respect for you Atraeus, though it has been tainted slightly...

 

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Unlike Cru, I will not dilute myself. Haven't yet, so no need to change that now.

I had never felt any animosity towards DECIDE until in fact, the Annie episode of recent and the 'reason for terminating the NAP' argument, though my opening of "I don't like DECIDE" was just me being silly and trying to break the concrete wall between you and Crabby. My animosity is to the situations, no directly to DECIDE.

Your conflicts with Annie have nothing to do with Decide, any more than she does with the termination of our NAP. I already stated that I could see where you may have thought that, as you were not properly informed of our reasons, but that does not negate the evidence we do have, something I have only reiterated as it was brought up by Crabby, and further, by yourself. I am sorry that this matter is sensitive to you, but I do know what I know, and I have based my statements on this matter.

We have all repeated ourselves several times during the course of this conversation but I simply cannot understand what DECIDE must be thinking with the accusation and logic of breaking the NAP because of intel implying we were planning on attacking you. Inexperience does not come into it. It simply does not make an ounce of sense. And for you to continue posting such statements make me horrified as to how you must think. I am not trying to insult you but it either displays scary gullibility or it attempts to hide magnificent deceitfulness. I cannot understand such a way of thinking.

I'm not insulted, and haven't been yet, so no worries there. But as I wrote, we severed our NAP for a couple reasons. First, even as you have admitted, your tribe defended our enemies and did so backhandedly. This proved where your own loyalty and honor was. I voted then to drop it, but other members felt we should give you another chance. When the intel came in for the proposed plan to attack Decide, that was, as I wrote before, the proverbial straw that broke the camel's back. Not wanting to risk getting hit at an inopportune time, we made the first move. So again, even if the intel we received was faulty, it was about a tribe that had already proven it had no interest in upholding its NAP with us.

There is our logic, and we can agree to disagree with how much sense it makes if that is what it comes to.

as it felt like a very unnecessary personal attack, becoming very defensive and attempting to protect and uphold a reputation that I do not believe was ever really in doubt.

It was not the Atraeus I had expected to hear from but I guess we are all getting a little heated now. I was rather disappointed.

See, now this is what I find amusing. I treated him with respect to begin with, he assaulted me, all but demanding a retort, and when I give it to him, I am the bad guy. Well, this is a moot point on your side anyway. You may be somewhat new to W30 PnP, so I will tell you this much: there are many different ways to approach a debate, and when the passive method didn't appeal to him (he all but threw a hissy fit about it) I gave him what he wanted, and even that was toned down by most PnP standards. Just ask some of the more popular names on these threads, I'm sure they would all agree that I have not only been gentle by their standards, but I have also been superfluously abusing my lexicon in the process.

Now, having said that, you do not know me. I am quite versatile. I can provide a gentle blow, and I can offer an lacerating caress, but I do both with finesse and taste by my own standards. I have earned respect in these forums long before I even heard of the White Knights or Lugh, behaving no different than I have been since the inception of this thread. If you want to see me in a fight, go read the old Reborn posts. So, I am sorry for you to be disappointed, but in my eyes, all that shows is either an unrealistic perspective of these forums, or a psychological attack at my credibility, so forgive me if I am not really all that sorry after all.

I was in no way attempting to attack you personally with my PnP. I had thought through our conversation we had indeed reached a level of respect and understanding for each other where we could read around strange or blatantly absurd statements and pick up on the really meaning be it jest or a hidden message behind the text in tone or feel.

More fool me.

We obviously do not know each other well enough. I obviously took many things for granted where I had no right to.

I agree with the last of that. When I indicated you had my respect, I believe it would be more convenient if you had understood the way I use the term respect. I respect in layers, like I trust in layers. You earned some respect, but we have had far too little time interacting to have shared that kind of understanding.

I do believe I countered your post effectively though with most of it being directed at CrabbyPilot in what seemed a very rude manner, maybe I subconsciously chose not to retaliate as you had done and thus lost directness in my response. If that is the case I make no apologies.

I disagree entirely. The only thing you offered that was even remotely substantial, other than an opinion on everything I wrote, was a time line based on your relationship with OC. Now, this was faulty in my eyes, as I read it as you all but saying:

"I cheated on you baby, but that was, like, a while ago, and I broke it off just recently, so you can't hold that against me! You can trust me! Honest!"

So we can agree to disagree here.

The level of this conversation has been seriously damaged by both sides and I simply hope it can be salvaged else I do not believe we shall have anything else to talk about. I'm sure you have noticed my mood is less cheery after reading your last post.

I still hold my respect for you Atraeus, though it has been tainted slightly...

I'm sorry you feel that way, but again, I disagree.

Your side jumped ours from the start. You and I managed to quell it, only for your side to bring it all back up. I tried to let it go, and I get jumped. All the attitude on your side is conveniently overlooked in an effort to judge me. But none of this is bad PnP, not really. It's normal PnP. It neither offends nor bothers me. I just do not prefer the circles.

Remember this?

Nevertheless, here we are: ready to begin the epic tug-of-war of complaints, nagging and generally bale faced accusations, and while you know your above statement isn't true, you are waiting for me to retort. So this is the part where I say, "that's not true!!!" and you demand the evidence, and I bust out with the evidence (effectively sacrificing my source), and then you explain it and justify it, and then we go into a squabble about who's right, who's wrong, and how pathetic Decide is because we are hitting a target that other players are hitting, yada yada yada... but meh, I don't think I'm going to do it that way.

And what do ya know, it went and happened that way anyhow. But I'll be honest, even when I wrote that, and I knew this would happen, I also knew that deep down, I wouldn't be able to turn away from it. Its simply too much fun.

:icon_biggrin:

Anyway, as I've said, the way I am approached will determine my response. Here you are being calm, collected and moderately respectful, therefore I have responded in kind.

 

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------------------------SKIT TWO---------------------
-Free Admission for MF Members only.. Enjoy Maties!!
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Recon Scout : Your Highness!!.. Your Highness!!... :icon_redface:

Chamber Guard : The Queen is not to be disturbed!!...

Recon Scout : but i have important reports from the front!! :lightcavalry:

Queenie Tak : What is it again?? send the scout in.. :icon_evil:

Recon Scout : Yourrr.. royyyal highhhness.. we arrr..arrr aaatttacckkedd..innn...alll....dirrrectionns.. :icon_cry:

Queenie Tak : Take a hold of yourself soldier!!

Recon Scout : Your highness, the "B"a"D"arians from the West & the lowly "D"espised "N"omads from the South have joined the Despicable "D"andits..they...arrr ...swwwarmingg ...innn...alll...diirrecctiionnn. :icon_redface:

Queenie Tak : Guards!! get this soldier out of my sight!! :icon_evil:

Premier : Your Royal Highness.. what is our next move?? :icon_cry:

Queenie Tak : we nip the bud & rid the weeds!! :icon_razz:

Veteran General : erhhh....your highness ... recon info ..was only discovered..... so..we ..do..not..know..how..long.. the enemies have left their distant.. stockades.. :icon_confused:

Queenie Tak : You.. MEAN.. you do not know which :axemen: is which ???

Veteran General : ...erhhh... Yes... but we do have something for them .. :icon_idea: ..:icon_biggrin:

Queenie Tak : & what is that?? :icon_evil:

Veteran General : your highness..keep..it really..quiet.. the..walls..have...ears...!! :icon_confused:

Queenie Tak : WHAT BULLSH!T YOU TALKING ABOUT???.. How can walls have ears????

Veteran General : ..errhh..what ..i meant..was there are ..spies..in..our ..midst..:icon_cool:

Queenie Tak : Hmmm.. that's sound more like it.. so how do i know what you have on mind?? :icon_eek:

Veteran General : Ahhh..that is...easy.. do you have............................................................................................................. Skype??? :icon_biggrin:

Queenie Tak : Urggghh!!!.... Why am i surrounded by idiots!!

.............................TO BE CONTINUED..............................

 

[spleen mage]

Then Spleen runs in and eats the Queen.

Nom Nom.

 

[DeletedUser]

Lol, I'll try and keep this reply short Gicusan :icon_smile:

You failed! lol

Cliff notes, please?

 

[DeletedUser]

You failed! lol

Cliff notes, please?

I never actually meant to

'Read there, or be square' :lol:

 

[Mick876]

Judging by the update on the Auto-Updating maps, i would say DECIDE are at war with MF?


Side 1:
Tribes: DECIDE
Players:

Side 2:
Tribes: MF
Players:

Timeframe: Last week

Total conquers against opposite side:

Side 1: 104
Side 2: 9
Difference: 95

Points value of total conquers against opposite side:

Side 1: 957,459
Side 2: 79,929
Difference: 877,530

 

[DeletedUser]

I wouldn't call it a war, but yes, we are fighting them.

 

[DeletedUser]

You wouldn't even notice the other side had active members would you...

 

[DeletedUser]

You wouldn't even notice the other side had active members would you...

No, you guys have been doing quite well actually.

The reason why I wouldn't call it a war is because only a small portion of the tribe is involved. If we were all getting into it, with the intentions to totally eliminate our opponent, I would consider it a war; whereas in this case, our intentions has been to quell any potential threat from an attack on our southern front. It was to have control over the conflict we perceived coming. It was not to take your K.

 

[DeletedUser]

No, you guys have been doing quite well actually.

The reason why I wouldn't call it a war is because only a small portion of the tribe is involved. If we were all getting into it, with the intentions to totally eliminate our opponent, I would consider it a war; but cannot, whereas in this case, we are merely claiming some territory. Our original intention was to quell any potential threat from an attack on our rearguard. It was not to take your K.

Loool, :icon_rolleyes:

Though at this stage it is all semantics. I wonder how exactly it will all end...