Wow! Did I really merit that kind of a response? :icon_eek: Well, your post was long, so no one can blame me for my own text wall, lol!
To begin with, I was wrong to think the post was directed at me alone. I had just woke up, and misread it. This makes a huge impact on the rest of my post, and subsequently, your counters.
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Once again sir I do not know whether it is something you have personally against me or not but I do not believe I ever stated that MF or BD were working together. I believe I mentioned Cru's Diplomacy as I do not know their officials stances but for someone to call off a war it usually takes some form of diplomacy. I even mentioned that there maybe was a ceasefire if there was no supposed alliance. Now if that means that BD and MF are working together does that also mean that Tardis and BD are working together becuase I do believe that they had a ceasefire as well.
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Why would you think I had something against you Netjak? I responded to a post that I believed was directed at me, and in a rather calm manner. I didn't attack you in any way, but questioned how your post would be a relevant response to my own. Questioning you is not an attack Netjak, and further, since we've established that I was wrong about it being directed at me, even that is moot.
But, in response to what you wrote here, I never specified they were allied. I said they were working together, something that Gicusan confirmed. His and Cru's words, paired with my data make it pretty clear where the tribes stand on the matter, and I took your post as a justification for that collaboration.
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Well this first part does make me feel at least a little less targeted but none the less still slighted and attacked. I am glad you respect others opinnions however you should not rephrase or take liberties with statements to discredit them thereby showing no respect for their posts. I do not believe that i ever stated BD got MF to do anything if I did please quote that section for me. I did however state that both sides could be using each other so from this you could differ that perhaps it was MF who coherced BD into attacking instead of the way you see it from your point of view. However as you have active alliegences I would not expect an unbiased view of the situation. I have no need to justify anything on this world nor for either BD or MF I am sure that Badlapje or The Cru can justify their own tribal stances if and when they feel the need to.
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Again, I'm at a loss for trying to understand how you could have taken any part of my post an affront, but whatever.
You accuse me of twisting words to discredit you (sounds familiar), but that's not at all the case. As you say here, they may both be using each other, and I agree, but only a fool would argue that MF could sway BD, who have a distinct upper hand. MF are the starving dogs, gnawing what is being thrown to them. BD are full, and hold a healthy diet. Therefore, logic dictates that BD are the deciding factor in the equation. No agreement is truly mutual, for MF its survival, but BD has the commodity to make an agreement for personal gains.
Gicusan explained that they wanted to give MF the right to fight their enemies, which strikes me as a cheap cover. The reason why I say this is that BD started attacking MF long before Decide ever did, and Tardis were hitting them as well. Decide did nothing to MF that the other tribes hadn't done. So what makes Decide the bigger enemy, as Gicu put it? And likewise, what would change BD's minds about this, since they were, just over three months ago, willing to eat MF at their leisure?
The only thing I can think of that happened over the last three months or so that could have any sway on how BD strategically evaluates MF is realizing they may have some trouble with DN.
But all of this is conjecture, of course. So, whats the point? Well, going back to your post, you validated both sides being in the potential situation to manipulate each other, and explained how it would work for them. Again, I made the mistake of posting too early in the day, and missed most of your point (perhaps even because I automatically see this as an act of BD, as explained above), but I took it as you justifying BD's position, and stated what I did in light of this fact, when in reality, you were justifying MF's decision to work with BD (if I am reading it correctly now).
Hence, I was not twisting your words, but I was under a false impression, and therefore, my point was moot.
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Very well sir as you ask. I have made this assumption or rather observation for I am giving others the credit of following patterns that if they did follow on other worlds and strategic observations that they would see where The Cru has made a leadership decision. Although it may not be a popular one in the community it is not the first time that a small tribe was attacked by a large tribe and then later that larger tribe was engaged by another tribe more its size. However approaches differ on this situation as I have seen where the smaller tribe joins in to work for revenge but that does not work very often although it has a few times normally it ends with them temporarly drawing attention for the tribe it was first at war with to eliminate the extra confusion. I have also followed along with tribes that have chosen as Cru has and they seem to fair much better in the long run even in a few cases they have managed to work their way out from under their original nemisis and create a substantial entity in their world. Now here is were I made my main assumption was that believing Cru's statements about having capable players in his tribe, I believe that for any leader to do that they probably have a little bit of history in this world to know what to do for a tribe and their players. I may be wrong Cru may be an Uber Newb but he does not sound as such he comes across more as someone who has an idea of what he is doing but just got put in a bad location and is making the best out of it he can.
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I thought Chuck was the Duke of MF? Anyway, I see a difference of opinion here. Cru is a part of a tribe that was a merge of three tribes that brought MF to the map. Since their merge, they have been systematically eaten by BD, then Tardis, then Decide. They do have some good members, and I've given them credit for that, as well as others, but it does not take an intelligent man to strike up an agreement with BD. They are the big dogs, they are MF's first enemy, and all of my logic tells me the idea came from them.
I disagree with your evaluation that people questioning MF's standings denotes a lack of experience on these matters, as my experience shows a tribe like MF will be consumed by either BD, Decide, THE or Tardis (depending on the path of the war) one way or another. It also appears to me like BD is picking which enemy they would rather face; MF or Decide. Consider this: if MF nobles north, into Decide, then they are nobling into the same direction as THE and BD. For either THE or BD, they will still have an enemy there, it will just be MF now, instead of Decide. So while it is certainly smart for MF to take any opening they get to stick around, it is still nothing more than a time-extension in my eyes, and I believe, in the eyes of most of the other people here.
So I suppose I can agree to disagree.
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Now that I have answered your points may I ask that you PM me and explain why you feel such a need to attack and discredit in the manner you have for it does not really seem befitting of someone with your literary skills to fabricate such a post to try and sway public opinnion?
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Even if I stood by my original post, I still fail to see how any of it was an attack on you. You claim I have it out for you, but I don't see how or why you would feel this way. Perhaps
you should PM
me to explain in what way, you have come to this conclusion, because while the rest of your post has merit, this is entirely left field.