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"PS . Before I am told this is way too long and to make a summary as have happened in the past, I hope someone will appreciate this as contributing with some real content instead of all this flaming of others. If you think its too long then dont read it"
I know there have been nothing but propaganda for a few weeks now from all sides. But cant we just start to be just a little bit fair here? I dont like Balians choice of joining gents more than anyone else does. Since basically he is now fighting against some of the same people standing behind him from sabre was formed.
I dont know if anyone outside Sabre really knows what was going on there from it was established and until the merge with control. From everything I have read on here, it doesnt seem like they do.
Situation was Balian account from the beginning to the end did by far the most work. and by that I mean from Sabre was formed and until the merge. he had an endless amount of sits every single day, did an endless amount of snipes, and to that you can add all the work it takes to be a duke. If anyone he was the one not beeing selfish as in his account wasnt.
Of course here it is important to seperate Balian and Ryan as a person. Even though they played the same account, they indeed had very different tasks and doings. Ryan was the duke and at least from the looks of it Balian chose to leave that job entirely to Ryan. Regarding Ryan I doubt you can find a single person in former sabre that would say, that he didnt do an amazing job. He is a great person, and he was a great leader. He was fair and people rarely questioned his decisions. Just followed instructions.
Regarding all those sits the account was having Ryan presumably also had to sleep at some point. Then obviously Balian was taken over those sits. At the end of the day at some point you are also wondering if your efforts are appreciated enough for you to continue where you are. There is no doubt Ryan for the tribe did a lot more than Balian, but to say Balian did nothing is not fair. (I know you didnt by this quote Marmite. So that comment wasnt reffered to you, just to make that clear in advance)
Maybe Balian quit cause he felt like Ryans previous efforts werent appreciated enough? Maybe he did quit cause he didnt want to handle all these incs from Gents playing solo. Maybe he did quit cause he as others felt like this wasnt the project he signed up for. Noone knows but him.
I am not trying to defend his switch to Gents. As I allready said then I hate that decision, but I dont hate him. Since regardless of his current decisions I think its wrong to deny what has been done in the past.
As for your last statement Marmite I dont know where you have it from or if Balin have told you that. I sencirely doubt Balian has any problem with Ryan. I am pretty sure they are still good friends. And when you say "Ruff arent the biggest fan of Balian" that would depend who you were asking. Now after his change to Gents I am sure you are going to find a lot more people than before that dont like him. To me ultimately there is a difference between if you do "something immoral" gamewise , or if you with words or speech are personally insulting someone. The last thing I have never seen him do while playing in a tribe with him, therefore he remains the same person as before. I dont like his decision but I still think he is fairly nice as a person.
This might all sound like a defence speech, which it might also partly be. I really just wrote this to make people aware (those who didnt know allready), of how much of an effort that account have actually put in to make Sabre a good tribe. When Sabre became Ruff, whether or not that was a good or a bad thing it was a very big change. Therefore of course it is likely to think that some people would consider going other ways. I didnt talk to Balian since he changed tribe so I wouldnt know exactly why. But If anyone I do know for a fact what that account have been doing since Sabre was established.
I know there have been nothing but propaganda for a few weeks now from all sides. But cant we just start to be just a little bit fair here? I dont like Balians choice of joining gents more than anyone else does. Since basically he is now fighting against some of the same people standing behind him from sabre was formed.
I dont know if anyone outside Sabre really knows what was going on there from it was established and until the merge with control. From everything I have read on here, it doesnt seem like they do.
Situation was Balian account from the beginning to the end did by far the most work. and by that I mean from Sabre was formed and until the merge. he had an endless amount of sits every single day, did an endless amount of snipes, and to that you can add all the work it takes to be a duke. If anyone he was the one not beeing selfish as in his account wasnt.
Of course here it is important to seperate Balian and Ryan as a person. Even though they played the same account, they indeed had very different tasks and doings. Ryan was the duke and at least from the looks of it Balian chose to leave that job entirely to Ryan. Regarding Ryan I doubt you can find a single person in former sabre that would say, that he didnt do an amazing job. He is a great person, and he was a great leader. He was fair and people rarely questioned his decisions. Just followed instructions.
Regarding all those sits the account was having Ryan presumably also had to sleep at some point. Then obviously Balian was taken over those sits. At the end of the day at some point you are also wondering if your efforts are appreciated enough for you to continue where you are. There is no doubt Ryan for the tribe did a lot more than Balian, but to say Balian did nothing is not fair. (I know you didnt by this quote Marmite. So that comment wasnt reffered to you, just to make that clear in advance)
Maybe Balian quit cause he felt like Ryans previous efforts werent appreciated enough? Maybe he did quit cause he didnt want to handle all these incs from Gents playing solo. Maybe he did quit cause he as others felt like this wasnt the project he signed up for. Noone knows but him.
I am not trying to defend his switch to Gents. As I allready said then I hate that decision, but I dont hate him. Since regardless of his current decisions I think its wrong to deny what has been done in the past.
As for your last statement Marmite I dont know where you have it from or if Balin have told you that. I sencirely doubt Balian has any problem with Ryan. I am pretty sure they are still good friends. And when you say "Ruff arent the biggest fan of Balian" that would depend who you were asking. Now after his change to Gents I am sure you are going to find a lot more people than before that dont like him. To me ultimately there is a difference between if you do "something immoral" gamewise , or if you with words or speech are personally insulting someone. The last thing I have never seen him do while playing in a tribe with him, therefore he remains the same person as before. I dont like his decision but I still think he is fairly nice as a person.
This might all sound like a defence speech, which it might also partly be. I really just wrote this to make people aware (those who didnt know allready), of how much of an effort that account have actually put in to make Sabre a good tribe. When Sabre became Ruff, whether or not that was a good or a bad thing it was a very big change. Therefore of course it is likely to think that some people would consider going other ways. I didnt talk to Balian since he changed tribe so I wouldnt know exactly why. But If anyone I do know for a fact what that account have been doing since Sabre was established.
