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I'd class setting someone as enemies as a declaration of war, but I suppose if it's the bit of paper with the seal of a Duke on it, we declared first. But if you want to look at the catalyctic events (yes, I do study history. Mainly wars), then F.D forced [DT] into radical action which in turn caused the outbreak of war. In a short summary: the Iubi situation, Redlance ignoring any attempts to speak to him about breaking our trust, our dropping of the NAP to neutral, F.D setting [DT] as enemies after localised attacks and JJ formally declaring, would be all the points you need to look at. I'd class the main catalyctic events as: the Iubi situation (I'm sure you know, before the fiasco we were considering a lasting alliance between F.D and [DT]), Redlance ignoring [DT]'s questions and later on demands, F.D setting [DT] as enemies and the final declaration. Overall, the 'blame' lies more with F.D than [DT]. We were lied to and disrespected over F.D's handling of Iubi. Then we were further insulted by Redlance's refusal to answer our questions and then demands. Then, after informing you we had set a date to dropp the NAP in disgust, you set us as enemies (before telling or warning us). All [DT] did was act in return to what F.D was (or wasn't) doing.Interesting. So JJ has had a declaration all along. And it was [DT], not F.D,that declared.
I'm sure JJ wrote the letter to Redlance and posted it in the Hidden we shared. I remember reading it, so it must've been readily available somewhere and it is not now. I also remember F.D council crying about us declaring war after it had been posted. They seemed to refuse to accept we had declared war. I found this funny. Imagine I turned up on your doorstep with a loaded gun and told you I was going to shoot you. Saying 'no you're not' and pretending it wont happen isn't going to change the fact you're about to get an unhealthy amount of lead in you..I'll agree on a few of your points, but would like to discuss a few others. If I take you at your word that there was(is?) a declaration, to insinuate that it was in the hidden forum is wrong. You know it, I know it.
I can honestly tell you no OPs were launched. We'd just launched an OP on Myriad (I myself had snook in and grabbed a few) and we were wondering whether or not we had enough nukes for a launch on NUKE. We had a few people asking on the forums about was it ok to attack F.D and the usual 'Red=Dead, but be prepared to deal with any repercussions of your actions' response applied. Any OPs (or co-ordinated attacks) would have been localised and between a very small amount of players. That's just because in [DT] we work together (for the most part) and people talk to their neighbours regularily. The council had nothing planned..The dropping of the NAP and players taking advantage of the red=dead is correct, but will differ with the [DT] opinion that no Ops were launched.
Exact dates are a little fuzzy. I cant say I was sat there writing down the exact day when people found stuff out. I personally found out through my informant as I was going through a period of being too lazy to do much.Your statement that an informant told you about F.D. setting you as enemies is comical, though. It was posted in the shared forums and 3 times in this thread. I was watching it all happen in real time that morning and know the second you were set as enemies. Not denying you may have had an informant, just that LMKU told you that you were set as enemies.
Believe what you will about my side of the events. I know I'll be seen as biased for being in [DT], but that is my opinion and observation of what was going on. Like you, I can 'back up' some facts, while others would be more down to interpretation or questioning exact timings of events. I wasn't keeping track of the seconds..