Official declaration of war: Get your crushed Ginger!

DeletedUser

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If you call stepping down from leadership and leaving a floundering tribe treason then I'm guilty as charged.

Ah yes, I remember you jumping ship when you realised that you'd actually have to do some work in running the tribe, instead of sitting back and letting other people run it under your "expert leadership"

You wanted all the credit for being in a great tribe, but wanted to do none of the work
 

DeletedUser

Guest
You wanted all the credit for being in a great tribe, but wanted to do none of the work
Haha I never wanted to be in leadership. I helped Paladin out and got stuck working with a bunch of dolts when he left. Now I am in a great tribe and it's fun. Instead of worrying over all those players who aren't worth a lick, I'm getting to kick the crap out of them. Players that would've been rimmed a month ago if people like weltide didn't just mass recruit entire continents. Pretty easy to stay alive early when there is no one but blue for 20 hours in any direction. So you say you have this great tribe, perhaps you could show me what they are capable of.

I can't imagine an easier war than one the one versus R.L. Please continue to throw these terrible attacks at my walls. In 4 ops I've barely seen more than a handful of decent attacks and your leaders sending those 8-10 second trains is really quite pathetic. You must be tutoring them as well as your mate Tundra. I've heard enough of your lies Jick, put up or shut up. I've hardly seen any modicum of quality from your tribe and that's the simple truth. Of course R.L. has great OD tho, fighting the same first world players over and over because you can only rim Barbies will do that.
 

DeletedUser

Guest
Haha I never wanted to be in leadership. I helped Paladin out and got stuck working with a bunch of dolts when he left. Now I am in a great tribe and it's fun. Instead of worrying over all those players who aren't worth a lick, I'm getting to kick the crap out of them. Players that would've been rimmed a month ago if people like weltide didn't just mass recruit entire continents. Pretty easy to stay alive early when there is no one but blue for 20 hours in any direction. So you say you have this great tribe, perhaps you could show me what they are capable of.

I can't imagine an easier war than one the one versus R.L. Please continue to throw these terrible attacks at my walls. In 4 ops I've barely seen more than a handful of decent attacks and your leaders sending those 8-10 second trains is really quite pathetic. You must be tutoring them as well as your mate Tundra. I've heard enough of your lies Jick, put up or shut up. I've hardly seen any modicum of quality from your tribe and that's the simple truth. Of course R.L. has great OD tho, fighting the same first world players over and over because you can only rim Barbies will do that.

Can you post some more? It's kinds funny :icon_rolleyes:
 

Shlomzi

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Can you post some more? It's kinds funny :icon_rolleyes:

I actually think the fact that you're unable to disprove anything or do any damage to him is funnier. :icon_wink:

I must, however, congratulate R.L. on their amazing ability to single out quits and inactives for their op, and then boast constantly about it. I must also congratulate you on including people in the stats days after they have been dismissed. And then, on top of all that, you say I manipulate the stats :lol:

05/07/2009 wolverine7215 Ginger 1086 =28,172 =5 =94,814 =83,904 =10,910

^ Inactive. What happens then?

08/07/2009 wolverine7215 None 11921 -2,238 -1 +144,024 =83,904 +60,120
07/07/2009 wolverine7215 None 3246 -11,187 -3 +123,427 =83,904 +39,523
06/07/2009 wolverine7215 Ginger 1791 -19,044 -4 =94,814 =83,904 =10,910

..and to further show the inactivity:

11/07/2009 wolverine7215 None 11903 =2,238 =1 =161,520 =83,904 =77,616
10/07/2009 wolverine7215 None 11938 =2,238 =1 =161,520 =83,904 =77,616
09/07/2009 wolverine7215 None 11924 =2,238 =1 +161,520 =83,904 +77,616

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05/07/2009 locust13 Ginger 1771 +18,734 =3 =61,085 =30,542 =30,543
04/07/2009 locust13 Ginger 1771 +18,369 =3 =61,085 =30,542 =30,543
02/07/2009 locust13 Ginger 1754 +17,637 =3 =61,085 =30,542 =30,543
01/07/2009 locust13 Ginger 1717 +17,542 =3 =61,085 =30,542 =30,543
30/06/2009 locust13 Ginger 1710 +17,115 =3 =61,085 =30,542 =30,543
29/06/2009 locust13 Ginger 1681 +16,762 =3 =61,085 =30,542 =30,543
28/06/2009 locust13 Ginger 1664 +16,382 =3 =61,085 =30,542 =30,543
27/06/2009 locust13 Ginger 1650 +16,070 =3 =61,085 =30,542 =30,543
26/06/2009 locust13 Ginger 1644 +15,475 =3 =61,085 =30,542 =30,543
25/06/2009 locust13 Ginger 1636 +15,102 =3 =61,085 =30,542 =30,543
24/06/2009 locust13 Ginger 1583 +14,858 =3 =61,085 =30,542 =30,543
23/06/2009 locust13 Ginger 1529 +14,803 =3 +61,085 =30,542 +30,543
22/06/2009 locust13 Ginger 1488 14,709 3 61,005 30,542 30,463

^ Note the lack of a) noblings, b) ODA increases, c) ODD increases. You will note slight point increases as we built up the villages for internal nobling.

...and of course, who targetted them? None other than R.L.!

06/07/2009 locust13 None 2500 -13,929 -2 +61,153 =30,542 +30,611
08/07/2009 locust13 None 4919 -7,168 -1 +273,787 =30,542 +243,245

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05/07/2009 DenisCooper Ginger 993 +29,871 =5 =82,291 =82,163 =128
04/07/2009 DenisCooper Ginger 964 +29,776 =5 +82,291 =82,163 +128
02/07/2009 DenisCooper Ginger 913 +29,198 =5 =82,173 =82,163 =10
01/07/2009 DenisCooper Ginger 882 +29,097 =5 =82,173 =82,163 =10
30/06/2009 DenisCooper Ginger 837 +29,054 =5 =82,173 =82,163 =10
29/06/2009 DenisCooper Ginger 800 +29,018 =5 =82,173 =82,163 =10
28/06/2009 DenisCooper Ginger 770 =28,798 =5 =82,173 =82,163 =10
27/06/2009 DenisCooper Ginger 736 =28,798 =5 =82,173 =82,163 =10
26/06/2009 DenisCooper Ginger 701 +28,798 =5 =82,173 =82,163 =10

^ Note the lack of a) Point increases (on some occasions when we didnt even log in), b) ODA increases, c) noblings, d) ODD increases.

You will then note he was dismissed along with all other quits. So what did R.L. do? Damn right, they targetted him after he was dismissed and then included him in the stats. I mean, whats easier to target than a quit / inactive?

07/07/2009 DenisCooper None 1073 -29,937 -5 +123,392 +122,343 +1,049

(Note: He did end my sit a couple of days ago, after over a month of sitting.)

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05/07/2009 jkrstulovic Ginger 367 +55,746 =10 =283,648 =281,748 =1,900
04/07/2009 jkrstulovic Ginger 353 +55,606 =10 +283,648 +281,748 =1,900
02/07/2009 jkrstulovic Ginger 334 +54,876 =10 +260,459 =258,559 +1,900
01/07/2009 jkrstulovic Ginger 305 =54,852 =10 +260,435 =258,559 +1,876
30/06/2009 jkrstulovic Ginger 280 =54,852 =10 =260,403 =258,559 =1,844

Note the two days of inactivity. Then he came on and gave his sit to me and he quit. Note the a) lack of point increase, b) lack of noblings, c) lack of ODA increase. So what do R.L. do? Of course, they target him!

06/07/2009 jkrstulovic None 1447 -23,187 -5 +336,380 +334,432 +1,948

^ Note this is after he was dismissed along with all other quits / inactives.

...then 6 days later:

12/07/2009 jkrstulovic None 4668 -8,063 -2 +474,598 =421,350 +53,248

..and of course they include those too.

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09/07/2009 And1baller None 1183 =29,417 =5 =131,572 =120,775 =10,797
08/07/2009 And1baller None 1150 =29,417 =5 =131,572 =120,775 =10,797

^ Note the lack of a) point increase, b) ODA increase, c) ODD increase, d) noblings.

..so who do you think R.L.'s next target was? :lol:

10/07/2009 And1baller None 1497 -24,810 -4 =131,572 =120,775 =10,797

^ Note that was four days after he was dismissed. Dismissed before any attacks were sent, yet, still included.

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Dub1200 was already being internally nobled, and your leaders know yoeyoeminer had quit.

So sure, go ahead and include them. Go ahead and say your op was this huge success. But simply by looking at TWStats it's obvious you targetted our quits / inactives specifically so that you could boast.

Take out those, and see how many ennoblements you have against actives - because thats where our ennoblements against you are coming from.
 

DeletedUser

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Side 1:
Tribes: Ginger
Players:

Side 2:
Tribes: R.L.
Players:

Timeframe: Forever



Total conquers against opposite side:

Side 1: 58
Side 2: 52
Difference: 6

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Points value of total conquers against opposite side:

Side 1: 294,058
Side 2: 333,837
Difference: 39,779

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DeletedUser

Guest
I actually think the fact that you're unable to disprove anything or do any damage to him is funnier. :icon_wink:

I must, however, congratulate R.L. on their amazing ability to single out quits and inactives for their op, and then boast constantly about it. I must also congratulate you on including people in the stats days after they have been dismissed. And then, on top of all that, you say I manipulate the stats :lol:



^ Inactive. What happens then?



..and to further show the inactivity:



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^ Note the lack of a) noblings, b) ODA increases, c) ODD increases. You will note slight point increases as we built up the villages for internal nobling.

...and of course, who targetted them? None other than R.L.!



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^ Note the lack of a) Point increases (on some occasions when we didnt even log in), b) ODA increases, c) noblings, d) ODD increases.

You will then note he was dismissed along with all other quits. So what did R.L. do? Damn right, they targetted him after he was dismissed and then included him in the stats. I mean, whats easier to target than a quit / inactive?



(Note: He did end my sit a couple of days ago, after over a month of sitting.)

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Note the two days of inactivity. Then he came on and gave his sit to me and he quit. Note the a) lack of point increase, b) lack of noblings, c) lack of ODA increase. So what do R.L. do? Of course, they target him!



^ Note this is after he was dismissed along with all other quits / inactives.

...then 6 days later:



..and of course they include those too.

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^ Note the lack of a) point increase, b) ODA increase, c) ODD increase, d) noblings.

..so who do you think R.L.'s next target was? :lol:



^ Note that was four days after he was dismissed. Dismissed before any attacks were sent, yet, still included.

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Dub1200 was already being internally nobled, and your leaders know yoeyoeminer had quit.

So sure, go ahead and include them. Go ahead and say your op was this huge success. But simply by looking at TWStats it's obvious you targetted our quits / inactives specifically so that you could boast.

Take out those, and see how many ennoblements you have against actives - because thats where our ennoblements against you are coming from.

If an inactive has got slight point increases and is being prepared for internal nobling, presumably someone in the tribe who is more than capable of defending is sitting his account and using it to further Ginger's interests. Also, I'm sure R.L., being a larger tribe of looser standards, also have plenty of inactives that are being targetted by Ginger. You don't expect us to believe that you only target the cream of the crop? Quickly glossing over TWStats, I can see several conquers of R.L. members with very little points increases and no ODA/ODD change in the days/week before being nobled.

This is a stupid argument, targets of opportunity are always taken by both sides during war. It's no excuse.
 
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Anaphros

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If an inactive has got slight point increases and is being prepared for internal nobling, presumably someone in the tribe who is more than capable of defending is sitting his account and using it to further Ginger's interests. Also, I'm sure R.L., being a larger tribe of looser standards, also have plenty of inactives that are being targetted by Ginger. You don't expect us to believe that you only target the cream of the crop? Quickly glossing over TWStats, I can see several conquers of R.L. members with very little points increases and no ODA/ODD change in the days/week before being nobled.

This is a stupid argument, targets of opportunity are always taken by both sides during war. It's no excuse.

You could have defended them couldn't you? But you chose the easy way out...Too bad cause if you where smart enough you would know that:
1)They would be included in the stats either way for various reasons... It's not the first time you play. You know how pnp works :)
ie Raise tribe morale, throw mud at you at the pnp forums, cook stats etc.
2)You could have done some damage to them in return. I bet not all trains where timed to the second or had a full nuke escorting each noble, where they? And because you are that good you can split trains or not everyone can?
 

DeletedUser137

Guest
Note the two days of inactivity. Then he came on and gave his sit to me and he quit. Note the a) lack of point increase, b) lack of noblings, c) lack of ODA increase. So what do R.L. do? Of course, they target him!

Um... DenisCooper is still active and R.L. didnt specifically attack him or target him in any ops. I have mails from him that I can forward to you.

More Shlomzi lies...

You just kicked everyone from K47 that you didnt have time to stack, just went and left them for the wolves.
 

Shlomzi

Guest
Um... DenisCooper is still active and R.L. didnt specifically attack him or target him in any ops. I have mails from him that I can forward to you.

More Shlomzi lies...

You just kicked everyone from K47 that you didnt have time to stack, just went and left them for the wolves.

Read:

(Note: He did end my sit a couple of days ago, after over a month of sitting.)

I acknowledged he ended my sit (and is therefore back). Well done on re-iterating what I said. But hey, guess what? I know what I said. In fact, I was the one who said it.

:icon_rolleyes:
 

DeletedUser

Guest
Side 1:
Tribes: Ginger
Players:

Side 2:
Tribes: R.L.
Players:

Timeframe: Forever



Total conquers against opposite side:

Side 1: 58
Side 2: 52
Difference: 6

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Points value of total conquers against opposite side:

Side 1: 294,058
Side 2: 333,837
Difference: 39,779

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So it looks like Ginger has taken more villages, but R.L. has gotten higher point villages :O
 

g0liath

Guest
This definately seems to be an interesting war... with the time that has passed since its beginning the wins/losses are neck and neck.

Congrads to both sides for giving eachother hell!
 

DeletedUser

Guest
Just to clarify for those not in either tribe.

It currently stands that:

R.L. has undertaken and completed 1 op.
Ginger is currently undertaking an op.

There have not been a large number of R.L. ops - only border skirmishes.
There has not been an op from Ginger before now (attacks have been launched within the last 2 days)
 

Shlomzi

Guest
:lol:

Looks like R.L. just couldn't help themselves and are now merging with (o_O)

Slowtyper today at 04:15
This is a circular mail message to the members of R.L.

I realize that I have appeared inactive for a short while. That is not the case. I have been on-line every day negotiating diplomacy, planning long-range strategies, settling internal disputes, and organizing new members. I have been writing primarily in the council chat room, but I am aware of what is happening in our tribe. Several questions have come up while I was busy with other things and I would like to address them here now.

Members Joining from (o_O)

We have negotiated a limited merger with (o_O). We are not absorbing all of the members, only some. They come to us to continue in the war with ginger. This will cause some dislocation and confusion while former (o_O) members find their places in R.L., but eventually they will integrate into our community. Some of them will fall by the wayside if they do not accept our ways.

You may find that I have admitted new members whom you believe do not measure up to our standards, have villages in your farming radius, or simply do not belong. That is the result of the hasty and disorganized manner in which this quasi-merger has taken place. I apologize now for the inconvenience this has created and will create while we sort things out. It would have been nice to conduct the process in a more organized manner, but because of the ginger war, I have had to do this in short time and with limited coordination.

Status of the Ginger War

It is now widely known that –hobgoblin- is quitting. He will be leaving his tribe in crisis. They will try to carry on without him, but I do not expect them to survive. We have hurt them with our first round of attacks and subsequent local operations. Their enemies are increasing and their allies are abandoning them. We have another major operation planned for this week and will continue with follow-up operations to clean up.

Our NAPs

We have several NAPs. Some of them are tribe who are working with us in the ginger war. Others are neighboring tribes with which we have had border disputes in the past. In either case, do not attack a member of an NAP without prior written approval from your continent commander or me. The reason for most of the NAPs is to avoid distractions while we should be focusing our efforts on the enemy, ginger. If you have a border dispute with a member of an NAP, ask your K-commander or me to resolve it. Work within the system. Anyone who attacks a member of an NAP tribe can be dismissed. No one is above the law.

Nobling Questions

Our former rule requiring members to attack larger villages had another purpose than what was obvious. It encouraged members to be aggressive, to attack active players and clear out their farming radius. Now we have members who are not afraid to pick a fight with strangers. Because of the need for additional troops, the requirements have recently been lessened. You must still post your claim and seek approval, but smaller and abandoned villages are now suitable targets for nobling. This change has been in effect for several days, but I thought you should all be reminded.

Preference should be given to population bonus villages which can train a larger-than-normal nuke, and barracks bonus villages which can train defenses faster.

Once again, no one is above the law. You must receive approval before nobling a village.

Tribal Culture

I want to remind you all, and let new members know, that we have a distinct culture in our tribe. All tribe develop their own cultures, we have ours. We emphasize inclusion, cooperation, and coordination. You should get to know your neighbors in the tribe; work with them on coordinated attacks and defense. There is no place in R.L. for loners. We are active and aggressive. There is no room in R.L. for turtles. If you are rimmed, restart in the NE and you will be aided. We do not dismiss members for losing their villages. We work to help out our weaker members to make them stronger. On the other hand, if a member fails to grow, expand, and dominate then he is not living up to out aggressive culture and could be dismissed.

Friends, Personal Alliances, Family

I have received numerous requests from our own members to admit their friends to our tribe. It may seem like the nice thing to do, but unless your friend can join on his own merits it would be a disservice to the tribe to admit someone who cannot help out us all. This game is highly competitive. If you were playing tennis or chess against your best friend, you would try to beat him. The same is true of Tribal Wars. It would be nice if your friends could all be in the same tribe and play together against enemies, but sometimes your friends are also your competition. Play with them or against them, but before you ask if your friend can join R.L., ask yourself if he would make our tribe stronger.

Additional Note

I will be writing another circular with game-play advice soon. Many of our members are still playing poorly. As a result, they are losing battles, growing slowly, and not getting the most enjoyment out of the game. It is a game and it is supposed to be fun. Although this is a game and you are free to play your account as you see fit, it is better to play well and win battles. Winning is a lot more fun than losing.

Thank you,
Slowtyper

Loving how he says our allies (plural) are abandoning us when we have only ever had 1 ally and they're still allied with us.
 
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Faetzy

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Just to clarify for those not in either tribe.

It currently stands that:

R.L. has undertaken and completed 1 op.
Ginger is currently undertaking an op.

There have not been a large number of R.L. ops - only border skirmishes.
There has not been an op from Ginger before now (attacks have been launched within the last 2 days)

Yeh, from what i know Ginger are currently in process of carrying through there operation, interesting landing time also :icon_cool:, wish them good luck with it :)
 

Shlomzi

Guest
Ginger is currently undertaking an op.

There has not been an op from Ginger before now (attacks have been launched within the last 2 days)

..and unlike you guys we deliberately targetted actives as it's just not as fun to take villages off quits / inactives. :icon_wink:
 

DeletedUser

Guest
But after moaning about all our coordination... I have 19 attacks incoming... all of which are landing over a 24hr period... I'm glad you're coming back at hitting us just as coordinated as you slated us for!

And, come on! If you're gonna be sending "Noble Trains" at a village. Please don't go sending "nukes" at it afterwards. It really really looks sloppy.

I can see attacks incoming at people who have quit, and their villages are up for internal noblings. So, yeh! Good going guys. You're showing yourselves as the master race there!
 

DeletedUser

Guest
Side 1:
Tribes: R.L.
Players:

Side 2:
Tribes: Ginger
Players: vkek DrakaMNE blodyx locust13 Tiberius1649 DenisCooper yoeyoeminer And1baller jkrstulovic Dub1200 pppgrunt rinaldo12

Timeframe: 28/06/2009 00:02:37 to 13/07/2009 03:46:42

Total conquers against opposite side:

Side 1: 72
Side 2: 52
Difference: 20

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Points value of total conquers against opposite side:

Side 1: 441,450
Side 2: 266,855
Difference: 174,595

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Time starts when Slowtyper sent out his letter declaring war on Ginger.

Is this for real? :D Ppgrunt and vkek were close to me had good contact with them but they quit quite some time ago :p

But hey if you wanna add them go ahead :)

I've had a R.L. Guy restart just before my nobles hit and took the vil, you don't see me cry over that do you?
 

DeletedUser

Guest
So it looks like Ginger has taken more villages, but R.L. has gotten higher point villages :O
That is most likely due to the fact that Ginger hasn't spent their time on this world nobling barbarians like R.L. One of the problems with attacking their players is they all have crappy villages because they decided to play with barbies instead of challenging themselves. Also why most "nukes" I see are 2-3k axes/2k lc, almost never any rams, they all have small garbage villages and can't produce troops like Ginger can. They can sit and have 300 knuckleheads send half nukes as much as they want, fact remains they can't take a village from active players like myself. Yes, this is me calling R.L. out for the 20894750242345245 time.

Keep merging and recruiting, almost to that 500 member mark. That's the tribes goal right? To be the biggest. It's obvious you haven't gone for quality.

If I were to do the stats the way R.L. does then 8 of my 11 villages have been nicked off their tribe. One was gifted to me, and some members they dismissed before I finished nobling but oh well.
 
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