You mean, it's not useful to debate with hefty as he is immune to good arguments and doesn't admit it when he's wrong? Because that's about my conclusion.I do not know tw history, but it is clear from this thread alone that it is pointless argueing with hefty, even if by some slight chance you outwitt him. you will have only wasted your time as it is blunty obvious that he throughly enjoys an arguement, regardless of the outcome or even topic most likely. Which also means he is practiced. there is literally almost no point in trying, you won't accomplish anything even is you manage to suceed.