and why would your own opinion be better then mine?
What you define as loyalty,we already debated alot about it,and my opinion been said many time about it..
Me,I call it stupidity,no one deserve blind loyalty,as loyalty should be a trust relationship between 2 party,yourself seem to beleive,that it something aquired,and that should not require effort from both party,but only from 1.
Again wrong.
i never said it was just a 1 way stream, the reason why people like toffer, cragai, kaz, thinger, solaas, r the great and even CC come back to play with us is because its a 2 way stream of friendship and trust.
And they dont want to play for anyone else but their close friends and old leaders.
That is loyalty, they will never jump ship to another tribe and the same day act like his new leader is a life long friend that he played with for years.
They will die for their tribe come back die again and repeat that untill their internet shuts down.
They fight for eachother and their tribe out of loyalty and would rather die then betray that.
THAT IS LOYALTY.
Me,I beleive this,Il follow my leader everywhere....if he's ready to do same for me...
Wich mean,that a leader who aint protecting me from getting kicked for childish reason,should not deserve my loyalty...in that case...its you bros...
now,for the other aspect of your post...If I enjoy flmaing my ennemy,I see no reason to stop,its only a game,and its not like if any of you was my RL friend since 44 years....none of you are my RL friend,and the closest net friend I ever had is actualy niyah,for who Id do anything...
so I dont see how X player I played with for 6 month,is different,or more important,then X player I played against for 6 month.
both are players,both are human,who ''shared my ingame experience'' for 6 month....and made it enjoyable.
You should really make the distinction between RL and .net server dude...
Why should there be a distinction?
Quite a few people i met online are now close friends, we live in a digital time in wich internet is one of the most important tools for development, if you keep it apart and will remain to keep that distinction in between you will fall behind.
A few of my old members are now close friends, that i see on a regular basis and actualy played poker with at my house 2 weeks ago, went out got drunk and even at age 22 pranked the neighbourhood with.
Thats why they are loyal, because we see a membership more then just an online game of pixels and buttons, we see it as a family of friends that fight for eachother till the end.
If you cannot see the difference in a member you played with or played against for 6 months you should have a doc test you, because then you are missing something.
Because members i played with for 6 months became friends in alot of situations, and we will fight for eachother and work for eachother.
My enemy can be my friend aswell, i have many enemeis who are currently friends, however that does not mean that the second i switch sides they are the best tribe...
You are going off subject.
The point i was making is is that you are not loyal to your own tribe, you are an oppurtunist.
The best example for this is a soccer refference.
Say you are for team A, you wear their shirt and support them.
Team B becomes the champion, 3 days later you are in a shirt from Team B at the ceremony partying like you have always supported them.
That is you.
People with real loyalty will proudly wear the team A shirt even after they have lost, as it doesnt matter if they win or lose, becuase you are loyal to them.
@ orel, if you do not know the full story dont reply...
Kriid returned with CC becuase of what i did not what Smurf did....
And i am not talking about his reasons of leaving a tribe, could be completely valid, i am talking about his behaviour after joining a new tribe.
Then the whole world sucks and his tribe is the best, always been that way, and they are treehug buddies for life.
That is my problem with his loyalty, he doesnt have loyalty, he acts to be loyal.
Also i wasnt talking about kriid flaming people in public, was talking about him doing it on skype in PM's private area where he had no reasons to do it other then a huge dislike towards the tribe...
Its like S2orm screaming for months and months that they would NEVER play with a player like hocc...
Then hocc joins, thats doublefaced, thats pathetic, and sad to say the least.
Deus kept their statement saying they would never allow hocc.
If hocc joined there now with leaders knowledge and permission, i also would call them double faced.
Then you do not keep to your morales and values but then your oppurtunistic.
Notting to do with kriid's loyalty but just wanted to put that in there.
I dont doubht that kriid in his belief is loyal to his tribe, i am just commenting on the fact that if he thinks that is real loyalty he does not know the real meaning of loyalty and that hsi behaviour when joining a new tribe is pathetic.
That is all im commenting about, if you disagree that is your right, no problem there.
however then i would have to assume that you have the same kind of ideology on loyalty as kriid, and that you infact are not really loyal yourself either.
I gave explenations about players who have proven that they are loyal time after time after time again.
Kriid can give his life for the tribe hes in, or fight his harders for the tribe hes in, and then do it for another tribe, but thats not real loyalty, thats temporarely loyalty.
Real loyalty would be to die with your tribe you are loyal to, and only return to this game to play with them again, or even abandon your own account to pick up another account 10 times smaller just so you can play with them.
Tofferbonnevie did that on this world, he gave up his own account in the north (v-v-v) to play a 10 time smaller account with us just so he could be with us.
THAT is loyalty.
what other kind is there?