Well back to the original debate before all the flames...
Happy was at war with KGD, Jab, AND sisters who included -Epic- and TWS...
So looking at the first map cody posted Happy was surrounded. The front included many K's and lots of long distances for most of happy's core players....
Now if we look at that same map infamy was not surrounded but rather had only a southern frontline....
Now im not using that as an excuse but rather to show people what we have really done. You can say {HI} has been doing really bad but rather I would say we just arnt doing our best. We havnt been doing really bad considering what we have been up against which all added together equals our total size at that time.
Stats
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Side 1:
Tribes: {HI}
Side 2:
Tribes: ACTIVE, JAB, ~KGD~
Timeframe: Forever
Total conquers against opposite side:
Side 1: 540
Side 2: 210
Difference: 330
Points value of total conquers against opposite side:
Side 1: 4,528,917
Side 2: 1,764,948
Difference: 2,763,969
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So if you want to compare the 2 you will see that infamy is doing better against 2 tribes that added together was under half of infamy's size. That is to be expected. Yet to be surrounding a tribe (as of now) and that tribe still be here and still be fighting is something that overrules the stats imo.
Now {HI} has been surrounded by 3 tribes equal to their own size (at the time) and has removed 1 all together. Thats rather good despite what the stats say. Oh and to add to it we havnt invited anyone to end this war.
Infamy invited optic members -Fire-s biggest member and also Bfam and 4play members.
Anyway like I said before both sides are fighting with different tactics and both tribes need to step it up.
edit: I forgot to add in the stats of all the other little tribes that KGD formed after they disbanned so tech the stats are higher then that. Dont feel like adding them in as then I have to explain every single little detail about them as well.
So just keep in mind that the stats should be higher.