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Unfortunately, I'm not as good at "staying neutral" as MK. Instead, I'll try to make this a lesson for Ende on why so many people dislike your posts. Those of you who disliked English class in highschool and are not Ende may wish to skip this post.
Rhetorical Triangle
Imagine a triangle with a circle drawn around it. The three points are the purpose, rhetor (writer), and the audience. The circle is context.
Purpose - Your main point for writing on this subject. All of your information should work towards proving this point. Just because you know your own purpose doesn't mean everyone else does. So when you are writing Ende, you often make posts that seem to backtrack, saying "I was talking about..." "What I meant to say was..." etc. Make everything crystal clear so that there are no questions.
Rhetor - You, the person writing or speaking. This involves your persona and how you are going to talk to your audience. Are you going to take sides or remain neutral. Are you going to talk about your own thoughts or talk about what's really going on. Again, make this obvious.
Audience - Us, the forum readers. Remember that everything you post is read by us. Thus, you don't want to post anything that is openly insulting, or that can even be misconstrued as insulting. Remember that anything you post can have a positive or negative response. Unless the negative response serves your purpose (read something like "Why I Want a Wife" for an example), you should always aim for the positive response, which means being informative without insulting people or messing with the facts.
Context - You should be able to back up anything you say with facts, or the statement must be reasonable. Saying LSHRV is going to disband after losing a couple hundred villages from their 11k+ total is an example of a statement made with no fact and is not reasonable.
Rhetorical Web
This is more of an analysis of writing, made up of rhetorical situation, appeals, structure, and style.
Rhetorical Situation - This is mostly like the rhetorical triangle, especially with exigence, your reason for writing this piece.
Appeals:
Ethos - This deals with the credibility of the rhetor. For you, you are commenting on a war that you aren't part of, and you are also attempting to assume what three seperate tribes, none of which you are a member of, plan to do. So when you started this topic, you had no ethos, meaning you had no real reason for writing this. Most people probably didn't put this meaning to it, but this is why a lot of people dislike when you post.
Logos - The logical approach. This has already been covered by others. Ende, you just listed off a bunch of wild speculations that had no basis in fact what-so-ever. Combine this with your lack of ethos and you have a worthless article already.
Pathos - The emotional approach. It's a known fact that family tribes aren't liked much. There's existing pathos already. Then you come on the forums Ende, and try to generate sympathy for your family of tribes. It didn't work. Then you try to deny ever trying to get sympathy, and it makes people dislike you and your tribe that much more for trying to be the center of attention while acting like you aren't.
Structure
Personally this is my favorite part. This pretty much covers much of the writing. The title, post length, consistency, arguments, counter-arguments (or lack there of), and more. Starting with your title: "What are LSHRV doing?" Well to me, that sounds like what you are really saying is "WTF are LSHRV doing?" It's not written like that but that's the way I read it, and probably how others do as well. Right from there, we already know that this is going to be a rant on nothing since LSHRV really hasn't done anything wrong. Then your writing consistency. You jump around all the time. You can write paragraphs of ranting and insults, but then even when someone posts something you like, you can barely write a sentence, and even then it sounds condescending. But by far, your worst part of structure is your arguments and counter-arguments. You arguments lack detail and fact. Then when someone challenges you, rather than write a counter-argument you either A. Throw out a generic statement that could mean anything or B. Completely ignore the argument. (I'm kind of expecting that you are ignoring this post by now. Kudos if you aren't).
Style
Diction (word choice), Syntax (sentence structure), Imagery, etc.
You keep saying that you aren't insulting LSHRV. Well let's say I give you the benefit of the doubt and believe you really aren't. Reading your posts, I find many words that have a negative connotation that lead readers to believe you are insulting LSHRV. Again, unless upsetting people serves a genuine purpose that benefits you, these should be avoided.
If you think this was long, I've barely scratched the surface. I actually expect some people (SG, MK, mLions maybe) might end up talking about things I didn't include. Truthfully, I could go on and on about rhetoric and how it applies to posting here. These are actually the things I think about when posting.
And I'd personally like to congratulate anyone that actually read this gargantuan block of text.
There was one thing I couldn't find a spot in the lesson for that you said Ende that bothered me. You said, several times, that there can't be more than one thread for the same war. I actually think that would classify as spam since a second topic on the same war that would be covering the SAME topics would be absolutely pointless.
Rhetorical Triangle
Imagine a triangle with a circle drawn around it. The three points are the purpose, rhetor (writer), and the audience. The circle is context.
Purpose - Your main point for writing on this subject. All of your information should work towards proving this point. Just because you know your own purpose doesn't mean everyone else does. So when you are writing Ende, you often make posts that seem to backtrack, saying "I was talking about..." "What I meant to say was..." etc. Make everything crystal clear so that there are no questions.
Rhetor - You, the person writing or speaking. This involves your persona and how you are going to talk to your audience. Are you going to take sides or remain neutral. Are you going to talk about your own thoughts or talk about what's really going on. Again, make this obvious.
Audience - Us, the forum readers. Remember that everything you post is read by us. Thus, you don't want to post anything that is openly insulting, or that can even be misconstrued as insulting. Remember that anything you post can have a positive or negative response. Unless the negative response serves your purpose (read something like "Why I Want a Wife" for an example), you should always aim for the positive response, which means being informative without insulting people or messing with the facts.
Context - You should be able to back up anything you say with facts, or the statement must be reasonable. Saying LSHRV is going to disband after losing a couple hundred villages from their 11k+ total is an example of a statement made with no fact and is not reasonable.
Rhetorical Web
This is more of an analysis of writing, made up of rhetorical situation, appeals, structure, and style.
Rhetorical Situation - This is mostly like the rhetorical triangle, especially with exigence, your reason for writing this piece.
Appeals:
Ethos - This deals with the credibility of the rhetor. For you, you are commenting on a war that you aren't part of, and you are also attempting to assume what three seperate tribes, none of which you are a member of, plan to do. So when you started this topic, you had no ethos, meaning you had no real reason for writing this. Most people probably didn't put this meaning to it, but this is why a lot of people dislike when you post.
Logos - The logical approach. This has already been covered by others. Ende, you just listed off a bunch of wild speculations that had no basis in fact what-so-ever. Combine this with your lack of ethos and you have a worthless article already.
Pathos - The emotional approach. It's a known fact that family tribes aren't liked much. There's existing pathos already. Then you come on the forums Ende, and try to generate sympathy for your family of tribes. It didn't work. Then you try to deny ever trying to get sympathy, and it makes people dislike you and your tribe that much more for trying to be the center of attention while acting like you aren't.
Structure
Personally this is my favorite part. This pretty much covers much of the writing. The title, post length, consistency, arguments, counter-arguments (or lack there of), and more. Starting with your title: "What are LSHRV doing?" Well to me, that sounds like what you are really saying is "WTF are LSHRV doing?" It's not written like that but that's the way I read it, and probably how others do as well. Right from there, we already know that this is going to be a rant on nothing since LSHRV really hasn't done anything wrong. Then your writing consistency. You jump around all the time. You can write paragraphs of ranting and insults, but then even when someone posts something you like, you can barely write a sentence, and even then it sounds condescending. But by far, your worst part of structure is your arguments and counter-arguments. You arguments lack detail and fact. Then when someone challenges you, rather than write a counter-argument you either A. Throw out a generic statement that could mean anything or B. Completely ignore the argument. (I'm kind of expecting that you are ignoring this post by now. Kudos if you aren't).
Style
Diction (word choice), Syntax (sentence structure), Imagery, etc.
You keep saying that you aren't insulting LSHRV. Well let's say I give you the benefit of the doubt and believe you really aren't. Reading your posts, I find many words that have a negative connotation that lead readers to believe you are insulting LSHRV. Again, unless upsetting people serves a genuine purpose that benefits you, these should be avoided.
If you think this was long, I've barely scratched the surface. I actually expect some people (SG, MK, mLions maybe) might end up talking about things I didn't include. Truthfully, I could go on and on about rhetoric and how it applies to posting here. These are actually the things I think about when posting.
And I'd personally like to congratulate anyone that actually read this gargantuan block of text.
There was one thing I couldn't find a spot in the lesson for that you said Ende that bothered me. You said, several times, that there can't be more than one thread for the same war. I actually think that would classify as spam since a second topic on the same war that would be covering the SAME topics would be absolutely pointless.